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Two-thirds gave incorrect information on company ETF fees...
(old news - 02:00PM Thursday Feb 07 2008)
tags: prices · business · wireless · Verizon Wireless Broadband · Cingular Wireless
The Consumer's Union recently made 12 calls to AT&T salespeople, and found that two-thirds of the representatives provided inaccurate information about the company's policy toward wireless early termination fees (ETFs). Some employees told the consumer group that ETFs were cut in half after the first year of a two-year contract, while others claimed the ETF fee was reduced each month for the length of the contract. In reality, while AT&T has hinted at ETF policy changes, they're still charging $175 if you cancel while under contract. From Dow Jones:
According to Mark Siegel, an AT&T Wireless spokesman, the company continues to charge $175 to any customer who wants to break his service contract with the company. Siegel wouldn't say when the company would announce details of changes to this policy, nor when the changes would be implemented by AT&T. Siegel apologized for the false information provided by the company's salespeople.
The folks at the Verizon policy blog give themselves a pat on the back for the fact the Consumer's Union found no such problems with Verizon Wireless reps knowing their own ETF policy:
While it was only a small sample, I’m not surprised our reps knew the answers. Verizon Wireless was the first national provider to put a declining ETF policy back in November 2006 (after first announcing the change in June 2006)
Of course Verizon shouldn't cheer about another company's support dysfunction too loudly, given that Verizon reps and managers continue to be mathematically challenged when informing customers about data rates. In fact, Verizon Wireless and FiOS billing have been a consistent problem for about as long as we can remember, with our regular users frequently complaining about phantom charges and the endless support calls required to get owed bundle discounts.

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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
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join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest

Doesn't surprise me

The AT&T Wireless billing ship has run aground. Maybe the entire fleet. They keep refunding me an $8.95 credit and then send me a "bill" for a long-canceled account with it still there.

That they have no clue of the ETF does not surprise me one bit.
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MightyPez

join:2002-05-01
Saint Paul, MN
·Comcast

So glad I don't use them

I jumped ship last year from AT&T (then Cingular) and on T-Mobile. in my area AT&T has very poor service and now all these billing snafus and changing fees are making me a very happy T-Mobile customer.

Not to say T-Mobile is perfect. But for me, the billing is done right, the prices are reasonable, and I can actually make phone calls in my own home.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable

Re: So glad I don't use them

i actually had problems with TM. I had their new FlexPay service- you get a monthly Myfav5 plan just like a contract plan but pay monthly without the hassle of a contract. they ended up taking most of mycircle minutes out of my anytime minutes. i left them for alltel and never had a problem.

Camelot One
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Wow, how scientific of them

I'm not disputing the problem, just the testing/results. 12 calls? To a company with thousands of reps? Thats like asking 12 people in TExas who they'd vote for, and then concluding the winner would win the next election.

12 samples isn't enough to draw a conclusion.
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pnh102
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Re: Wow, how scientific of them

said by Camelot One See Profile :

12 samples isn't enough to draw a conclusion.
But it does sell magazines.
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fiberguy
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Unfortunately, with AT&T's history, 12 was enough. I called in to test the theory, and got one of the two posted answers... that it was cut in half after 1 year.

pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD

Weird

I must be the only AT&T Wireless customer who hasn't had billing issues.
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Dread
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Re: Weird

said by pnh102 See Profile :

I must be the only AT&T Wireless customer who hasn't had billing issues.
Same here, I get excellent service with them over here in New York as well as anywhere I travel

pnh102
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Re: Weird

said by Dread See Profile :

Same here, I get excellent service with them over here in New York as well as anywhere I travel
My only gripe with AT&T Wireless is that they do not have 3G coverage where I live. However, the 3G zone around DC and Baltimore seems to have crept closer to me, so maybe that might change in the near future.
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Cabal
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Boston, MA
Seconded. I suspect I'm one of many with no billing issues and 5 bars of signal everywhere I go, though.
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en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
I've only had billing issues with Verizon Wireless.
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Doug135

join:2008-01-12
Laredo, TX
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Re: Weird

I too haven't had any problems with T and billing. Only things I to have complain about is that there's no 3G coverage and i can only get express for dsl

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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Re: Weird

Yeah 'T' will only give me express, even though I'm on 'Pro' from a reseller. AT&T found an extra 3,000' in the loop after they deployed Uverse, and cleaned up the line (so that I have VERY solid service on Pro).
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icp1
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Saint Louis, MO
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better than before

Well when i last had cingular a number of years back it was quite bad customer service wise. But when I just re-upped and got new phones and such, they were a million times better than previous (and billing was even correct)

But the question of ETF is easy, and they shouldn't get it wrong, though of course you could just read your TOS...

RiseAbove
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February 7th, @03:07PM

Not surprising..

This isn't surprising for a company that currently has a massive turn over in the Customer service department, pays their employees peanuts and treats them like shiat. Not to mention they hire anybody who will walk in the door.

You want to avoid ETF? Buy a phone at full retail price or off ebay or a friend and start service with zero month contract. Then you can leave whenever the hell you want.
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Matt
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Re: Not surprising..

said by RiseAbove See Profile :

This isn't surprising for a company that has massive turn over in the Customer service department and pays their employees peanuts all while treating them like shiat. Not to mention they hire anybody who will walk in the door.
No kidding. I know a few people who work for them in the call center here. One is a pretty intelligent guy, the others are complete morons with no education.
zduice

join:2001-03-03
San Dimas, CA

Re: Not surprising..

Several years ago, I had a family share plan with Sprint. I bought a used Sprint Cell Phone through eBay and when I called Sprint to have it activated and added to my pre-existing shared plan, they attempted to sign me into a contract. The only option offered was to accept a month-to-month contract which was an additional $20 above the cost of the plan plus the standard $9.99 for each additional phone on a shared plan.

Again recently, I went into a Sprint store and paid full price with tax around $596 for a new mobile device with the intent to signup for new service, with a new account without contract. The sales representative in the store referred me to Customer Service in the back, I guess they only get a commission for new or extending existing contracts. customer Service happily offered sign me up for an additional $20 more per month which is there fee for a new month-to-month service contract plus activation. So, the $39.99 plan I wanted would have become $59.99 + tax and charges per month + activation. So, I simply swapped the service on my existing account from the my old phone to the new one. Funny, unless I was willing to sign a contract, the customer service in the back of the store wanted to charge a activation fee to simply swap the phone, so I had to go home and call and wait on hold with Sprint to swap the service without a fee.

So, paying full price for a phone does not appear to guarantee new account activation without contract.

RiseAbove
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Re: Not surprising..

said by zduice See Profile :

Re: Not surprising..

So, paying full price for a phone does not appear to guarantee new account activation without contract.
umm that maybe the price to play at Sprint but I can guarantee you at ATT if you bring your own phone you have 0 month contract. If this was a Sprint topic you might of had a point.
zduice

join:2001-03-03
San Dimas, CA

Re: Not surprising..

Just wondering how correct that is? I visited the ATT site and checked their plans without selecting any sort of mobile device and it appears to indicate the contract and activation fee for ANY NEW line activation.

One-time activation fee $36.00
Contract length 2 years
justDave

join:2000-02-29
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: Not surprising..

I've spoken to 3 customer service reps and one supervisor in the past 2 days and all of them told me that even if I bring my own phone, I'd be required to accept a 2 year contract. I was pretty persistent too.

I'm not saying any of them were right, but at least they were consistent.

RiseAbove
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Re: Not surprising..

said by justDave See Profile :

I've spoken to 3 customer service reps and one supervisor in the past 2 days and all of them told me that even if I bring my own phone, I'd be required to accept a 2 year contract. I was pretty persistent too.

I'm not saying any of them were right, but at least they were consistent.
These people are massively incorrect let me tell you. They have a system called CSP which is basically a large stockpile of all of their policies. Within it, if they followed it, it would state that if you bring your own phone to a corporate store a representative would be able to start you on a zero month contract. trust me I work for ATT and I have started services for many many people due to the new terms. You will have an activation fee of course but you will have no contract.
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justDave

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Re: Not surprising..

So it's in-store only? Good luck with that

jgkolt
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Lakewood, OH
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i am not surprised

With the dealing with att wireless (no to be confused by the former att wireless which wasn't that bad) they "have no clue" (to quote cramer). there is too much confusion between mergers and acquisitions they are flying by the seat of their pants. Wallstreet is praising them but the company runs soo inefficiently.
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soothsayer15

join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX


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February 7th, @06:06PM

Re: i am not surprised

A lot of it, is a product of who works in these call centers now. I have seen jobs for AT&T wireless in some of the local job posting ads. Those jobs started off at $8.00 or $9.00 an hour. Anyone that has worked in a call center before, knows it is not the most motivational of jobs. Even less so when being paid that little. The turnover rates are extremely high, especially if the call center does not belong to AT&T wireless, but is subcontracted out. The truth is, this is a common occurrence with a lot of call centers regardless of industry. After taking so many calls, and hearing so many people complain, a lot of people there spend their time looking for better job. So keeping up to date with the latest information is not high on their priority list.

A lot of those people are youngsters who are probably in their first customer service jobs, and most likely don't have a high-level of education or experience.
yokel

join:2006-08-29
Fairfax, VA

Very inconsistent.

I took a sample of 4 people myself a month ago and 2 of them gave the same answer that it is 175, one gave the answer that he didn't hear about prorating the ETF. Finally, I gave up and contacted the customercare via email. This is the answer I got.
----------------------------------------------
Dear xxxxx,

Thank you for taking the time to e-mail AT&T regarding the cost to
cancel your service and the the information you saw on the news
regarding prorated cancellation fees . I am happy to help you with your
inquiry and sorry to hear you may be considering cancelling your
service.

Our records show your contract ends on xx/xx/08 and if your service is
cancelled prior to that date, your account will be billed a cancellation
fee of $175.00.

Prorated cancellation fees are not being considered until sometime in
2008.
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