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They can't stand it, they know they planned it...
(old news - 09:21AM Thursday Dec 14 2006)
tags: competition · business · cable · telco
AT&T has filed a lawsuit in a Texas county court against Time Warner Cable’s San Antonio division. AT&T claims the cable company engaged in "a methodical invasion of facilities owned, operated and controlled by AT&T Texas" at apartment buildings and other MDUs. The suit alleges that Time Warner techs caused damage to AT&T gear when installing voice service "solely to gain competitive advantage and commercial benefit" (apparently not for fun). There's a similar ongoing fight between Cox and Qwest; the latter claiming sabotage by Apis mellifera.

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Rick
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I knew it I knew it I knew it I KNEW it...

I KNEW IT!

Now we know who blew up the Uverse cabinet!



Unfortunately for AT&T though, they really don't need anyone to sabotage their equipment or service.

They seem to do a good enough job at it themselves.
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K Patterson
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Re: I knew it I knew it I knew it I KNEW it...

Wrong. The Uverse cab was pulled by the same crew that pulled the WTC.

scooby
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Re: I knew it I knew it I knew it I KNEW it...

The Bush Administration?
K Patterson
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Re: I knew it I knew it I knew it I KNEW it...

Absolutely!

They did all the damage in the process of implementing the new powers of the Homeland Security bill.
NateCohen

join:2005-10-10
Schenectady, NY

Same thing here in NY

Here in Albany, NY a Time Warner technican tore apart all the wiring in the basement for their digital phone service. When I canceled Digital phone and got Verizon they were angered they had to fix all the wiring Time Warner tore apart.
macaholic
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Re: Same thing here in NY

said by NateCohen See Profile :

Here in Albany, NY a Time Warner technican tore apart all the wiring in the basement for their digital phone service. When I canceled Digital phone and got Verizon they were angered they had to fix all the wiring Time Warner tore apart.
"tore apart" means they disconnected you from a powered Verizon line and connected your house to the VOIP service... thats a good thing. Verizon techs hate to do ANY work...especially the old NYNEX union boys.

Ben
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en102
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Re: Same thing here in NY

I've dealt remotely with NYNEX / Bell Atlantic union folks in MD before, and its no picnic. Had a bad CSU/DSU, and nobody would touch it ... we were told to send a union tech to replace it
When I had a similar outage with SBC/PacBell in CA, they swapped out with a spare within an hour and told us to get a replacement and ship it to them.
dare99me

join:2005-11-25
Red Bank, NJ

Hey Macaholic, I'm one of those union boys. And why does it appear that if your unhappy with our(VZ) work quality, why would you have a Verizon DSL line, where you would go out and post a review of it??? Yeah i get pissed if a customer bitches and moans about there inside wire problem, and want's fix, and yet doesn't want to pay for it, let alone pay for any inside wire insurance. Please cancell your line, and please we don't want you as a FIOS customer either!!!
A Verizon Tech
macaholic
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Re: Same thing here in NY

said by dare99me See Profile :

Hey Macaholic, I'm one of those union boys. And why does it appear that if your unhappy with our(VZ) work quality, why would you have a Verizon DSL line, where you would go out and post a review of it??? Yeah i get pissed if a customer bitches and moans about there inside wire problem, and want's fix, and yet doesn't want to pay for it, let alone pay for any inside wire insurance. Please cancell your line, and please we don't want you as a FIOS customer either!!!
A Verizon Tech
I HAD a Verizon DSL line.... my cousin once had issues with DSL. Had to file a presidential appeal. A Union pr*ck like you showed up and told her they sent the wrong guy. We call the Presidential appeal office.. and wouldn't you know the SAME guy shows up and fixes her problem in the basement the very next day. He grumbled the whole way through he actually had to do some real work instead of eating donuts... sorry fella but you old NYNEX boys are pr*cks plain and simple. If it weren't for your union you lazy asses would be slinging burger somewhere.

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Jason Levine
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I'm from Albany, NY too and didn't notice my Time Warner technician tearing anything apart. Disconnecting the phone so that he could connect it to the digital phone system? Yes. Tearing it out so that it wouldn't work anymore? No. (Then again, we haven't tried to switch back to Verizon. And aren't likely to.)
desreversti

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Nice one Karl! :)

"But they're gonna set it straight, this Watergate."

I like the tag line for this article.

For those who don't know.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTxuDUfzzM

This is a classic song.

Anywho, this ought to be interesting for me since I live in San Antonio (an apartment no less). Oh, and on a side note, the guy in gray who ends in the pool reminds me of my city's old mayor who goes by the name of "Howard Peak".

Edited: For grammar.

kyramilan

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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

I've seen a lot of YouTube. Most are funny. I'd have to say this is the lamest one ever.
krobar
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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

wtf? It's the Beastie Boys video for Sabotage, directed by Spike Jonez....please tell me you're over 40, then I'll be able to forgive your comment.
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qdemn7
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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

said by krobar See Profile :

wtf? It's the Beastie Boys video for Sabotage, directed by Spike Jonez....please tell me you're over 40, then I'll be able to forgive your comment.
That video sucks, and yeah, I'm over 40.
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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

It's brilliant! I love how it spoofs all those 70's cop shows I liked as a kid
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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

said by krobar See Profile :

It's brilliant! I love how it spoofs all those 70's cop shows I liked as a kid
Hawaii Five-O coming to a DVD player near you.
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Finally, on March 6 comes the first season of the crime drama "Hawaii Five-O," which consistently drew top ratings throughout its 1968-80 run. The seven-disc set ($54.99) includes the two-hour pilot movie "Cocoon," plus a 1996 retrospective.
Book-em, Dano.
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krobar
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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

ohhh man, I can't wait!

Fatal Vector

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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

And, Mr righteous (you notice all the other cops are pretty much Hawaian natives, but the governor, Head of 5 0-the state police- and his ninions are all white, with Chin Ho-played by Kam Fong, go figure- being the grunt?) rides again. McGarett was just so upstanding. I used to think he had a rod up his bum most of the time.

Book him, Dano.
older dog
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over 40 and it sucks

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said by qdemn7 See Profile :

That video sucks, and yeah, I'm over 40.
Wow, to you I say get a clue? I'm sure there is a raging one up your a**.

n0vnm

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I agree, that video sucks. I am also over 40 and I too live in San Antonio.

kyramilan

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Beastie Boys suck anyway. I'm 32.

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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

said by kyramilan See Profile :

Beastie Boys suck anyway. I'm 32.
Well for me the Beastie Boys are just too ordinary, and I am 54
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This is a classic song.

...I couldn't help thinking of that song too... even if others here dislike the Beastie Boys...

sporkme
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Re: Nice one Karl! :)

said by amungus See Profile :

This is a classic song.

...I couldn't help thinking of that song too... even if others here dislike the Beastie Boys...
Paul's Boutique is still my absolute favorite. Anyone that can take The Eagles' "Those Shoes", some ZZ Top and some Ramones and work them into a rap song deserves points for originality if nothing else.

And a site that has way too much info about it: »paulsboutique.info/

redhat1968

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ATT doesn't play too fair

ATT (SBC) techs rips my stuff out all the time. I work for a CLEC in Wisconsin and their techs, in certain areas, completely destroy my wiring and equipment and then tell the client that their downtime wouldn't have happened if they wouldn't have switched or if they switch back ASAP, they can get the problem fix "Today"..
clecssuck

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Re: ATT doesn't play too fair

And how often are you terminated on the wrong side of the demarc because you think it might just be a little faster??

redhat1968

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Re: ATT doesn't play too fair

I have yet to touch ATT (SBC) equpiment. We had one of our techs punching on the wrong side and was caught by a SBC Super who took his name and badge number. The next day his clearance into the SBC building was revoked. Lesson learned and I say again...I have never touch SBC's side of anything

Kxpuc

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blah

lol TWC doesn't even need to get involved sometimes to "sabotage" their competitors back when i use to install for Dish Network there were tons of houses here wired for cable only (meaning you'd have to rewire the entire house to get any connection to a room)

morbo
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as long as

they don't try to use this as an excuse for why they haven't deployed their latest half assed solution to 15-20 markets in the next 17 days, i will allow the whining. AT&T wants to be a baby, then fine. be a baby. baby want its bottle?

Rick
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Re: as long as

said by morbo See Profile :

they don't try to use this as an excuse for why they haven't deployed their latest half assed solution to 15-20 markets in the next 17 days, i will allow the whining. AT&T wants to be a baby, then fine. be a baby. baby want its bottle?
Apparently, you haven't been following the news. AT&T has already addressed why that hasn't happened.

I won't go into all the details but here was the latest headline.

"AL QAIDA PLOT SABOTAGES UVERSE ROLLOUT"

News at 11:00
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EngineerDave

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The Cable Guys don't know what they are doing

This is a result of "cable guys" trying to do phone work. They typically have no experience in telephony and poor training. Sure, they can check for dial tone, but let them try to troubleshoot a ciruit. Also, I don't think they are even aware of regulatory things like DEMARCATION POINTS. The cable wanna-be-telco companies need to actually train their people.
gmntkn01

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Re: The Cable Guys don't know what they are doing

Just as Telco guys don't know how to install equip in an inconspicuous manner. I can't tell you how many times I see demarc grounds that are completely ineffective. Yes, the tag is on it, the rod clamp and/or split bolt is on and tightened. But to what? A powdercoated piece of metal, or a painted, or masonry compound coated ground rod? The best is see a split bolt attached to a painted #6 ground.

Every industry has its lackies and rejects, so don't point the finger so quickly.
clecssuck

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Re: The Cable Guys don't know what they are doing

Customers are responsible for providing a proper ground. What do you expect him to do with powder-coated pipes anyway? Bring an angle grinder with him?
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Re: The Cable Guys don't know what they are doing

said by clecssuck See Profile :

Customers are responsible for providing a proper ground. What do you expect him to do with powder-coated pipes anyway? Bring an angle grinder with him?
Yes. Or a dremel with steel brush.

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I wonder if Telco guys know what a right angle is? I dont know how many homes or MDUs Ive been to where the line is ran diagnally across a wall crossing all kinds of crap and then tie wrapped to the cable line along the wall.

Every industry has poorly trained monkeys. And cable got in the game this year, and telco is getting into the game as well. I cant wait to see them daisy chain the video outlets like the do phone.

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cheeky!

"They can't stand it, they know they planned it..."


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Complaint about MDUs(apartment or condo buildings)...

..and not individual homes. And it is very possible that cable techs are causing a mess in the terminal boxes in these apartment complexes. Now I don't buy AT&T's complaint that this is on purpose. Much more likely the cable techs are a bunch of poorly trained sub-contractors that don't know what they are doing.
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Re: Complaint about MDUs(apartment or condo buildings)...

ding ding ding...
we have a winner!

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I would completely agree with poorly trained subcontractors. One home I went to swap someone from digital phone had all of their phone jacks removed, with the exception of one. He didn't only do that, he also cut the wires short enough to negate any potential troubleshooting. The best thing is that his supervisor supposedly informed him to try this. This type of thing of course only very rarely happens, but it's one example. Towards the beginning things were rough with severed cable drops, and wires trimmed back so they wouldn't be able to reach the telco demarc anymore.

Things are much better now, and I see very little of this type of work. They often just cut the wires right at the customer side of the NID, and wrap/coil it up in their bridging terminal next to the NID. I can say this at least for Maine.

I have nothing against any cable company, or telco; just the lack of training that can be found at times for their employees. This includes myself, because I'm certainly not perfect.

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Props

Props for the title of this story. Got a giggle out of me.
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