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For a quick cash fix amidst credit woes?
12:55PM Saturday Oct 04 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: business · telco
Earlier this week, AT&T admitted that the credit freeze was having an impact on business, AT&T unable to sell any commercial paper (short term IOU notes) for terms longer than overnight. A user in our AT&T forum suggests that AT&T has apparently found one way to generate some immediate cash: billing landline customers for next month's long distance fees this month instead. However, it appears that this may have been in the works for a while, given AT&T already charges next month's fees in advance for many other services, like wireless. The user directs our attention to the full AT&T notice over at his blog.

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Dogfather
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Wall St. and Main St...one and the same

Short term credit issues are affecting a lot of companies. AT&T is not alone. It sucks for the consumer for sure.

jinjimbob
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This is so when you change LD companies, they still get that months fees.

Not really a credit freeze issue, as the monthly fee is pure profit.

en102
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Re: .

Technically, they have to refund it.
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S_engineer

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Re: .

said by en102 See Profile :

Technically, they have to refund it.
After these weasals collect the interest off of it!

en102
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Yup.

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What took them so long?

Local telephone charges have been prepaid for as long as I can remember.

When long distance stopped being a per minute charge for most people and started being a monthly all-inclusive fee, they should have switched then. Probably just mgt inertia that made them wait so long.

As to the charge that this was some last minute cash grab, that doesn't fly. If you go to the msg thread mentioned above »Fair Warning. AT&T Switching to Advanced billing for LD Serv posters have noted that AT&T has been warning of the change to pre-pay for months now.
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October 4th, @01:01PM

all ready done

By the way twc does the samething

TIme for class action?
hottboiinnc
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Re: all ready done

TWC does not bill long distance up front. they bill services up front. you are told that up front when you sign up. And it is also printed in their agreement with them. That is why they tell you your first month's bill will be higher than normal since you pay for the next month up front. Your bill will also show that by the dates on the bill. The only services that are not like that pretty much are electric and gas. And any service that as a meter--pretty much all long distance bills one or two months behind depending on who you have for a carrier.

but you ago ahead and try and sue TWC and which them make an ass of you in court and you end up paying their legal fees.

fatmanskinny
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Verizon, interested in a takeover???

This is perfect time for Verizon to go after AT&T. Verizon, can you hear me now?
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EPS

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Re: Verizon, interested in a takeover???

This is a terrible time for any sort of takeover- VZ isn't going to be able to borrow money either, plus VZ is still quite a bit smaller than T and so they'd need to borrow quite a bit. (Market cap of 88 billion vs. 166 billion)

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said by fatmanskinny See Profile :

This is perfect time for Verizon to go after AT&T. Verizon, can you hear me now?


You'll love VZ's $4 a month minimum LD fee even if you don't use LD...

I left VZ's LD because of it.
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Re: Verizon, interested in a takeover???

said by Mactron See Profile :

said by fatmanskinny See Profile :

This is perfect time for Verizon to go after AT&T. Verizon, can you hear me now?


You'll love VZ's $4 a month minimum LD fee even if you don't use LD...

I left VZ's LD because of it.
I have Comcast Digital Phone which is actually better than AT&T's land line service and much less expensive (for the time being). I am paying $20 a month for a year for unlimited local and long distance. Then, it will go up to $40 after the year is up. That is still better than the $73 I was paying with AT&T.
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Re: Verizon, interested in a takeover???

I pay about $20 with Vonage and that is not a sale price. I have no issues.
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October 5th, @02:50PM

Re: Verizon, interested in a takeover???

18.83 with taxes for Vonage unlimited. I have a special deal for their unlimitd plan. I get it for $14.95 before taxes.

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October 5th, @04:31PM

said by dnoyeB See Profile :

I pay about $20 with Vonage and that is not a sale price. I have no issues.
If I had faster upload and a more stable connection with Comcast internet, I would definitely consider VOIP. Right now, Comcast internet is just a little too flaky for me.
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No joke! I was quick to switch my mother's POTS to an alternative LD service for her when she got the letter about that LD minimum. I doubt she uses $4 worth of LD service in an entire year. I can only imagine how many other people Verizon is robbing with that minimum fee.
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AT&T priced itself out of the long-distance market

I got tired of 15-cents-a-minute and got a second set of phones and VOIP. I've already saved more than the annual cost of the VOIP and the extra phones.

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I'm just posting to show off my new posting tag and sig because it goes with the times.
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Direct tv

Direct tv decide to charge me 188.00 saying they needed prepaid after i had them for almost 2 years. I was pissed why 2 months extra? Im on auto pay. I was pretty pissed.

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Thank heavens I started cutting way back...

I sure am glad I started cutting back on my international calls a month and a half ago. I did it so my family there could have more money, but now I won't be able to send them as much, darn!

There is a good side to this though: I called and complained a little and they reduced my US unlimited to 9 bucks, my international to 5.95 + 17 cents a minute to The Phils., and lowered my DSL another 5 bucks. All in all I am now going to be paying something like 20 a month less.

I live on a fixed income but can't get medicaid so I don't qualify for the lower rate, so she tried to find other ways to reduce my bill.

Boy oh boy, now I have to tell my girl overseas that money will be tighter than planned. I suppose this is just the beginning of what may come...
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Re: Thank heavens I started cutting way back...

Who doesn't live on a fixed income?
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October 5th, @08:00AM

Re: Thank heavens I started cutting way back...

Anyone who has optional overtime. All of my guys get optional overtime. If they need a few extra bucks they can work a Saturday or a 12 during the week.

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Re: Thank heavens I started cutting way back...

said by Dogfather See Profile :

Anyone who has optional overtime. All of my guys get optional overtime. If they need a few extra bucks they can work a Saturday or a 12 during the week.
Additional to that there is:

- standard bonus as part of your offer letter (i.e. guaranteed percentage of profit per quarter for as long as employed. I've seen it)
- Sales reps that are on commission (even in this economy, if you're selling the right product, people are buying)
- Customer Service/Sales reps that get a percentage of upsells
- Shift differential
- Contingency pay scale (i.e. if you do this, we'll bump your pay up by $X/interval)

signmeuptoo
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Ok, I'll put it this way: I am disabled. Try and live off of that while feeding a family overseas!

My long distance is big, too, due to the overseas calling to the RPI. If I had made a big month's worth of calls, my bill this month would have been easily $350 counting DSL and everything else. It's $255 as it is.

I am not upset with AT&T about this, but I wish I had somehow known about it ahead of time. They might have been disclosing it, but it got past my attention, and I saw nothing about it here too, so it has caught me off guard. I am lucky my timing was good about cutting back on my calls to my wife. Normally I call and talk to her for about 5 minutes a day give or take. This last month's bill I had begun to only call 2 or 3 times a week instead, and it's really hard not hearing from her, I worry a lot.

I don't know how people managed before widespread telephone, men not knowing if their families were ok for weeks on end, wives not knowing if their itinerant working husbands were unharmed and making enough money to send home so she could feed her children.

My brother says we can't have another depression like the one my dad was born into, too much is different now. I hope that is true, but I sure wish someone would tar and feather a certain man in Washington for sending us down the river!

Don't get me wrong: I would, could, and WILL give up my own life to protect the president, after all, I love my country deeply and would readily sacrifice for it, but that man deserve a big punch in the nose, or at least a pie in the face. Looks like he is going to be the most reviled president in history the way things are going.

Deregulation is absolute madness, I don't know what McCain is thinking, and worse, his pea brained second mouth from the arctic, well, if SHE ends up running things, we are screwed! I simply cannot fathom how any one could support those two, their are insane to want to continue doing the same things where Bush stops. What is it with voters, how come so many of you out there are lemmings???

The things that Obama want to do will get us out of this depression within his term if he is allowed to be effectual by congress. Why? It's been proven before! FDR got us through and out of the depression, not through war (people who think that are nutso) but through INVESTMENT in America's greatest Asset: Her people. FDR created the works projects and other programs that gave fathers and husbands dignity to reinvest directly INTO THE NATION, by improving our highways, our bridges, our parks, and our delicate infrastructure. In fact, the depression was turned into a GOOD THING for the nation. Just go to any major park today and you will see how we benefited.

Well, Obama wants to stop pouring billions into other nations through unwanted and unwelcome war, and bring that money home and invest it in forward thinking job creation through futuristic works projects, such as hugely accelerating development into a better fuel economy, by setting up a radically new approach and job infrastructure so that we get off sending trillions for oil to the Arabs and our enemies, and creating exportable fuel technologies we can sell to other countries for a profit. This will create a massive new number of GOOD, no, GREAT jobs. Ethanol and Bio Diesel are NOT a pipe dream. They, along with cleaner coal use and nuclear can completely power the nation and our vehicles and trucks!

Don't even argue that it can't happen: Brazil is one nation completely converted to energy independence through Ethanol!!! How much better would we do it were we to put our hearts, minds, and souls behind the effort! No, I am not talking about the stupid idiotic idea of growing corn for fuel. That won't work. There are over a dozen other types of crops, including Gulf Grown Seaweed (no shit!) that can completely fuel our nation to the drop!

I am a former national labs worker speaking from an informed posture here.

Don't vote for the senile dementia McCain and retarded naive Palin who think that we should drill for more oil here. The truth is that even if we used every resource we had RIGHT NOW to find the oil off of California/West Coast and Alaska, it would take 10 years to start getting enough flow to help, and it is estimated that there might be only 2 years worth of enough for 100 percent of America's current needs!!! McCain and Palin are selling a pipe dream, literally!

Crops planted can be fuel in a YEAR! The factories to make the fuel can be built in a YEAR or TWO!

Obama will stabilize our economy of trade to introduce effectual regulation and oversight so that the money companies won't get away of the sheer present insanity of over leveraging dollars into dozens of times. You can't make one dollar into 12 by leveraging it, that IS how you get a depression, when things get weak!!! McCain won't do a thing about it and Palin, who WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE HIM WHEN HE DIES IN A COUPLE YEARS DUE TO AGE and senility, doesn't even understand how the economic market works, she wasn't even aware it existed until a few weeks ago!!!

AT&T is just the beginning. EVERYONE is going to start wanting payment in advance for now on. Not doing that is kind of what leveraging is like. The markets realize what the republicans can't figure out, what McCain Palin are clueless to!

Don't be a nutcase, don't be a right wing fool. Vote Obama and save the USA, and, for that matter, the world!

Now off of my soap box, and sorry for the rant!
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Re: Thank heavens I started cutting way back...

Grass and leaves can be turned into fuel as well. We have a ton of it in the summer and fall.

We can use almost anything to make fuel for cars and homes. Why not actually use steam to heat homes anymore? I'm sure we can harness the steam from a natural gas fired electric plant and pipe it down into homes around the cities the plants are in.

We're going to have to go back to a lot of ways people used to heat their homes such as steam.

I'm not for any coal use do the side affects it has now and even in the future even "cleaner burns" but what about the people that get trapped in the mines and end up dying?

I'd feel safer with nuclear even if First Energy managed the plant (they own the plant in PC Ohio that had issues with the NRC a few years ago and caused the great East Coast Black Out back several years ago)

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Re: Thank heavens I started cutting way back...

Heh, I remember that black out all too well. I was very worried anarchy would ensue if it didn't get fixed quick enough...
mmoon

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Pre-charging?

Can you say "Go Phone"?

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Re: Pre-charging?

I can! $25 every three months works for me, since I hate telephones and only use them when absolutely necessary.
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maybe their employees should start asking for pay in advance of work being done

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People Still Use This?

Wow. I had no idea. The concept of "regional" and "long distance" means absolutely nothing to most cell phone users.
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ajtroglio

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Who uses LD anymore?

My LD plan is One Rate Online Basic Long Distance which is $0.00 / month. Just $.12 per minute. Why would anyone have long distance from the POTS when there are cell phones?

Just looked at my August bill and there was no mention of long distance prepay.
redskydawn

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Re: Who uses LD anymore?

I have been thinking of switching to "One Rate Online Basic LD" @ 12 cents. Do you still get charged for all those fees, etc even for months you make only 1 (or no) calls?

ajtroglio

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Re: Who uses LD anymore?

Just looked at the bill. I'd say the plan is not w/o it's surcharges and fees. On $6.36 worth of calls I got charged $1.49 for a Carrier Cost Recovery Fee and $.88 for Fed Universal Service Fee. Also there was $.01 in state and local taxes and no federal taxes.

I don't have any months were I didn't make some LD calls so it's hard to tell if those charges would be incurred if no calls were made. My suspicion, we're talking the phone company here, they'll charge all they can. Sunsabeotches.
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said by ajtroglio See Profile :

My LD plan is One Rate Online Basic Long Distance which is $0.00 / month. Just $.12 per minute. Why would anyone have long distance from the POTS when there are cell phones?
I like my land line. Can't beat the voice quality over cells. The only long distance I use is calling the Fiji islands and for that I use noblecom internet phone cards which is the cheapest rate... even lower then skype. Fiji is one of the more expensive countries to call into. But I admit, having a pots cost about the same as a cell and its not portable. I can definitely see why people are letting them go. I am just not much of a phone user. But I really hate how cells sound. CDMA is better in my area but GSM is really the pits here. The funny thing is when I did have service last time the newer phones sounded even worse. The last time I used my really old Motorola Startac and that was by far the closest thing to a corded phone. I used to work at Motorola and I know that was a good model. I think companies should concentrate more on the basics of voice quality/disconnects etc.. instead of constantly adding more features like music video. They should at least figure out how to do what a phone could do 60 years ago.. have a clear voice conversation.

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MeKun

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:)

My wife has been looking for a good reason for us to switch to Comcast phone (we have them for TV and internet already) like I have been saying we should do for a few months.

I showed her this article and its going to be installed next weekend.

Thank you, AT&T!

NOCMan
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AT&T Scamming Customers

What they're doing is doubling up on one month. So now they'll be a month ahead of customers.

People you're being charged 2x in one month regardless.
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Re: AT&T Scamming Customers

do you know now that if you have no service but home phone and unlimited long distance with at&t it is $45 a month. If you have two services such as home phone and dsl then unlimited local and long distance is $35, and if you have 3 + services then unlimited local and long distance is $30 a month. They have started to realize that the prices they were charging were causing customers to leave. They have heard and changed. I know I work for at&t and just switched to the new home phone package.
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