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fatmanskinny
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Atlanta, GA | I hope Verizon buys AT&T out and brings FIOS before they reach those U-Verse goals. I can dream, can't I? | |
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Mizzat
This space for rent
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Atlanta, GA | Re: I hope Verizon buys AT&T out and brings FIOS Talk to people that have dealt with Verizon and see if you still wish it.... | |
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Tzale
Ron Paul - No Bailout Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: I hope Verizon buys AT&T out and brings FIOS said by Mizzat  :Talk to people that have dealt with Verizon and see if you still wish it.... I've dealt with Verizon and I am 100% happy with their excellent 20mbps/5mbps internet service, digital telephone service with unlimited calling to anywhere in the U.S. and Canada and crystal clear TV service.
I wouldn't even consider AT&T considering how crappy their "next generation" broadband speeds are and the cost of the service.
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fatmanskinny
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Atlanta, GA | Re: I hope Verizon buys AT&T out and brings FIOS I am starting to think that Comcast has nothing to worry about when Re-Verse comes to Atlanta.
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Mizzat
This space for rent
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join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA
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| said by Tzale :said by Mizzat :Talk to people that have dealt with Verizon and see if you still wish it.... I've dealt with Verizon and I am 100% happy with their excellent 20mbps/5mbps internet service, digital telephone service with unlimited calling to anywhere in the U.S. and Canada and crystal clear TV service. I wouldn't even consider AT&T considering how crappy their "next generation" broadband speeds are and the cost of the service. -Tzale That's good to hear, I've heard lots of other stories with customer I deal with in the Verizon territory.
I'm not a fan of Comcast, and I don't really care about speed all that much, I'd rather have reliability, and a company like Comcast isn't known for that at all. With the bus topology of their network and the neighborhood I live in my speeds would be very unreliable. If I didn't get such a good discount on my DSL service I'd probably not have the hgihest teir. I hardley ever use the full 6 Mbps, and when I do it is a huge download that would take a while with 1.5 or 6 Mbps. | |
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verolom
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Eatontown, NJ | Re: Weak you don't need more :P | |
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Sacramento, CA
·SureWest Internet
·AT&T U-Verse
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| Good luck AT&T. PS. Can you do better than 10/1? Only 10 megs? I had a 10/1 connection through cable. Now if they could give me 10/10 I would be happy. Or at least 15/5 or something. Especially since my line syncs at more than double the current 25/2 cap. =\
I am pretty satisfied with the TV right now though. I live by myself so the 1 HD stream is not an issue for me. | |
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join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ | Re: Good luck AT&T. PS. Can you do better than 10/1? Want better service? Come to Joyzey  | |
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Collinsville, IL
clubs: | But then it will be a true 10/1. After overhead their 6M service only yields 5M. The only way I'd do UVerse is if they offered hsi only. I love my TIVO. | |
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join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | Yeah, offering significantly better upload is something AT&T should really consider to save face with the tech community. They're pretty well maxing out the designed downstream capacity, but they should have a lot of room to grow on the upstream. | |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| ATT's solution isnt bad So many people on this site knock ATT's service simply because it isnt FIOS. The reality is that such a small percentage of customers (relatively speaking) can get FIOS that its not fair to consider it the "standard" as many people here do. ATT will be able to deploy their solution far faster, and for far less money than Verizon will. Using pair bonding and/or VDSL2 they will be able to offer 100Mbps up/down, which will certainly enough for the next few years.
ATT is not run by a bunch of morons, and there is a reason they are as successful at running a business as they are. They clearly see where the market is going and have plans to address it. Anyone who thinks ATT will stick with 6Mbps for the long term should have their head examined. Realistically speaking however, 6Mbps is a far better download speed than most people (in the US) get anyway, and its only people on this site that are whining. The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy with 6Mbps (if they even cared at all!), and in fact U-verse could very well be an upgrade for them.
The bottom line is that not everyone needs/wants fiber nor symmetrical speeds at this point in time. I dont doubt the U-verse would have a hard time competing in a FIOS market, but then again they could simply make it a cheaper alternative. Not everyone is driven by bandwidth (yes, I know its hard to believe for some of you!) and price can often impact a decision more than a download speed can.
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join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ
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| Re: ATT's solution isnt bad Uhm, how do you know that AT&T is not run by a bunch of morons? Do you work for them, play golf together, members of the same yacht club?
Define moron first. If I want a particular service and I am willing to pay for it, but the company doesn't offer it because they think otherwise, does that make them a bunch of morons? | |
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wifi4milez
In Need Of Garbage Pail Kids 1st Series
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| Re: ATT's solution isnt bad said by verolom :If I want a particular service and I am willing to pay for it, but the company doesn't offer it because they think otherwise, does that make them a bunch of morons? No, it simply means you are not in their service area. They would be morons if they spent a few hundred thousand dollars to light up a CO just so they could serve one customer (you) however. Economics 101 my friend.......
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join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ | Re: ATT's solution isnt bad Actually it costs a tad more than that to light an office, but it really demonstrates the short term thinking and the lack of responsiveness. The company used to set market trends, not follow them years behind. It's sad. | |
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| Re: ATT's solution isnt bad said by verolom :Actually it costs a tad more than that to light an office, but it really demonstrates the short term thinking and the lack of responsiveness. The company used to set market trends, not follow them years behind. It's sad. They did?? Hmmm.. From what I remember AT&T only deployed services that were profitable..
Take ISDN for example.. It has been around since the 70's but never really got distributed until the 90's.. When market demands allowed for a nice ROI..
Moving to the here and now.. VDSL2+ is relatively new.. they are already deploying like crazy in just a few years time. I find that much better then how it used to be.. | |
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join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ | Re: ATT's solution isnt bad Sounds like you only remember the profitable services. Think CallVantage... | |
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Bethel Park, PA | Re: ATT's solution isnt bad AT&T isn't making money on Callvantage? Then why are they offering it as their primary offering on their site? | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: ATT's solution isnt bad Gotta make up money some how they're losing from their POTS why not use VoIP. Plus its available around the country. AT&T's POTS isnt. | |
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join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ | Not anymore. They are no longer marketing the service and number of subscribers is not growing. | |
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Mizzat
This space for rent
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Atlanta, GA | Not if you're the minority. | |
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Tzale
Ron Paul - No Bailout Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
·Verizon FIOS
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| said by wifi4milez :So many people on this site knock ATT's service simply because it isnt FIOS. The reality is that such a small percentage of customers (relatively speaking) can get FIOS that its not fair to consider it the "standard" as many people here do. ATT will be able to deploy their solution far faster, and for far less money than Verizon will. Using pair bonding and/or VDSL2 they will be able to offer 100Mbps up/down, which will certainly enough for the next few years. ATT is not run by a bunch of morons, and there is a reason they are as successful at running a business as they are. They clearly see where the market is going and have plans to address it. Anyone who thinks ATT will stick with 6Mbps for the long term should have their head examined. Realistically speaking however, 6Mbps is a far better download speed than most people (in the US) get anyway, and its only people on this site that are whining. The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy with 6Mbps (if they even cared at all!), and in fact U-verse could very well be an upgrade for them. The bottom line is that not everyone needs/wants fiber nor symmetrical speeds at this point in time. I dont doubt the U-verse would have a hard time competing in a FIOS market, but then again they could simply make it a cheaper alternative. Not everyone is driven by bandwidth (yes, I know its hard to believe for some of you!) and price can often impact a decision more than a download speed can. I'll believe it when I see it... FIOS is expanding rapidly... It's not a "small" percentage of people.
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join:2005-07-30
Butner, NC
| said by wifi4milez :... ATT is not run by a bunch of morons, and there is a reason they are as successful at running a business as they are. ... The biggest reason they are successful : Their mostly a monopoly. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
·Comcast
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| said by wifi4milez :So many people on this site knock ATT's service simply because it isnt FIOS. The reality is that such a small percentage of customers (relatively speaking) can get FIOS that its not fair to consider it the "standard" as many people here do. ATT will be able to deploy their solution far faster, and for far less money than Verizon will. Using pair bonding and/or VDSL2 they will be able to offer 100Mbps up/down, which will certainly enough for the next few years. ATT is not run by a bunch of morons, and there is a reason they are as successful at running a business as they are. They clearly see where the market is going and have plans to address it. Anyone who thinks ATT will stick with 6Mbps for the long term should have their head examined. Realistically speaking however, 6Mbps is a far better download speed than most people (in the US) get anyway, and its only people on this site that are whining. The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy with 6Mbps (if they even cared at all!), and in fact U-verse could very well be an upgrade for them. The bottom line is that not everyone needs/wants fiber nor symmetrical speeds at this point in time. I dont doubt the U-verse would have a hard time competing in a FIOS market, but then again they could simply make it a cheaper alternative. Not everyone is driven by bandwidth (yes, I know its hard to believe for some of you!) and price can often impact a decision more than a download speed can. Finally, someone who has a clue.. good post. However, I can't get an answer as to why AT&T put a STOP on deploying u-Verse in the burbs of Detroit. A buddy works for that group and they got him only working 3 days a week now. They have stopped installations for the time being. As for Verizon. Your right. The FEW select markets that have it are no where near the coverage area for AT&T. The cost alone is what keeps VZ in check. However, there are some markets, like Detroit, they will never come here. At least when you ask VZ people in this area about FIOS, they say, "What's that?". nuff said.  | |
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hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA
·tw telecom
| with filters included AT&T went door to door offering Uverse in my neighborhood. Price & channel selection was better than Time Warner. I strongly considered it.
Then I remembered the confirmed rumors of AT&T filtering the internet that I read on BBR.
I decided to pay an extra $20 a month for TV/Internet to keep my unfettered Timewarner internet service.
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Mizzat
This space for rent
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Atlanta, GA | Re: with filters included Filtered the Internet? I never read that. | |
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icp1
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join:2000-10-13
Saint Louis, MO
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| Re: with filters included said by Mizzat :Filtered the Internet? I never read that. He's talking about the article of them testing software to block copyrighted content. | |
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Mizzat
This space for rent
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Atlanta, GA | Re: with filters included Ah, but haven't done it yet. Thanks. | |
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ieolus
Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | U-Verse Will the NSA monitor our TV viewing habits too or just the Internet usage?
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join:2003-06-26
Imperial, MO | Re: U-Verse Both, why you don't have anything to hide do you ? | |
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ieolus
Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | Re: U-Verse Heck yeah I do.
I wonder if U-Verse carries Al-Jazeera English?
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join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
| Re: U-Verse said by ieolus :Heck yeah I do. I wonder if U-Verse carries Al-Jazeera English? The only problem is the badly pixelated and compressed image... like the rest of the uverse channel lineup 
You can always use your uverse DVR to record the first ten seconds of you favorite Al-Jazeera shows. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| AT&T smoking some good CRACK! AT&T will NOT get 1 million video subscribers by the end of 2008... sorry.. not gonna happen (unless they start giving it away for free) Comcast isn't doing so bad that all of a sudden AT&T is going to pick up hundreds of thousands of subscribers just like that. I don't even want to get into how shi##y the phone and internet services are... but many BBR forum thread topics have already covered many of them. | |
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@pwc.com
| Re: AT&T smoking some good CRACK! Comcast customer service sucks and they deserve to lose 1 million customers. Problem is, AT&T isn't much better...not better enough to warrant changing. All these companies in this market space suck at customer service and quality control. Accountants ruined technology in the US. When will they learn? I'd pay more for qaulity product and service. Faster isn't good enough.
And it must support my Tivo! After dealing with crap DVRs from Comcast/Motorola I will never go back. One reason Satellite is out of the question for my TV. | |
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
clubs: | 126,000 customers.... After all this time.
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join:2007-02-07
Greer, SC
| Re: 126,000 customers.... AT&T had 3k U-verse customers Jan/07 and 126K by the end of 3Q07 (9/30/07). AT&T staed they are installing 10k+ per week so that would put them at ~220K U-verse subscribers right now. That is a faster take rate them FiOS TV over the comparable time period from services launch. After 2 1/2 years FiOS is still short of 1M video subscribers. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| Re: 126,000 customers.... said by KingofCola :AT&T had 3k U-verse customers Jan/07 and 126K by the end of 3Q07 (9/30/07). AT&T staed they are installing 10k+ per week so that would put them at ~220K U-verse subscribers right now. That is a faster take rate them FiOS TV over the comparable time period from services launch. After 2 1/2 years FiOS is still short of 1M video subscribers. You really think u-verse is going to be able to steamroll all throughout the midwest and Bell South municipalities (so-called 30 million subscriber reach) without negotiating franchise agreements along the way?
Half the problem is franchise rights, the other half is that the product SUCKS. Even FIOS-TV sucks and Verizon knows it.. (they're even trying to give away a cheap 19" hidef tv for people to sign-up). The telcos will NOT do very well with providing tv service even if it were delivered over a 100 gigabit fiber bonded network with each stream dedicated on-demand.
Telcos don't realize that the cable industry have run the cable product into the ground SO BAD that it really wasn't worth the investment JUST TO RESELL THE SAME GARBAGE, YOU DUMBASSES!!! Telcos NEED EXCLUSIVE GOOD CONTENT consumers will WANT. Isn't that what wooed the masses from just having regular TV antennas on their home to pick up broadcast networks? Spend a few dollars on municipal public access channels you cheap ####s.. that' the bare a##ed minimum you can do. | |
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The Devil made me do it
join:2003-06-19
Oxford, MI
·EarthLink
| U-Vers gives me a reasonable option I can get LL & 3-meg Internet & TV at a price less than I am now.
Waiting for the dust to settle in my neighborhood before I commit. Mt neighbor got it and it "works" just fine. If it catches on with other folks, I'll switch over in the Spring.
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| U-Verse, eventually ~20Mbps I spoke with someone in charge of the U-Verse deployment in Lake County, IN and he told me that initially downstream will be 6Mbps, but once network performance has been evaluated and all the kinks have been worked out they will begin ramping up to ~20Mbps. Also, if you are in the Lake County, IN/Chicagoland area, apparently the current goal is to have everything switched on either by or sometime during April of 2008. | |
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ShadezeRO
join:2006-04-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| Sticking with Regular DSL I think I'll stick with the regular 6.0DSL bellsouth is giving me.
As I download alot, and couldn't put up with the overhead U-verse puts on. I'm hitting ~6.4mpbs on average these days (about 760kbps+). Granted upload sucks money balls (430Kbits/sec max). | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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Ulmo
join:2005-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
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| Low Speeds at AT&T Low Speeds at AT&T: perhaps it's a tease to get us to slumber in the bask of Verizon's FiOS investment, only to nip us in the butt when they (AT&T) edges up their speeds. Of course short range VDSL can go much higher than 6mbps, and pair bonding can push the limits further. Lower spending *might* put them (AT&T) in a position to incrementally extend the nodes to the homes as the costs become in what they think is in their favor. In this way, AT&T can slowly jettison their copper plant while Verizon is just wholesale preparing to replace theirs. When either one decides to flick the switch is all future at this point, and can be esoteric in our view of the future right now.
This is supposing, of course, that the competitive nature of AT&T vs. Verizon FiOS exists enough that they even care; they probably don't, since they've already decided not to compete according to which regions they are respectively in.
Once Verizon FiOS turns you on, the only time they have to come back is when someone snips the fiber or the routers or modems melt/leak/fail, or if they do an upgrade to the equipment. AT&T U-Verse is likewise with the addition of continual copper maintenance to replace the continual fiber maintenance, and at least one if not two or three extra upgrade visits. AT&T can even drag it out so that they just don't upgrade you, keeping you eternally behind.
I think USA is considered a dead log; since we don't produce anything any more, they are more afraid of serving us than they are of not serving us. Keeping us behind is in the best interests of the New World Order; the capitalism that backs it up is just backing up the governments that exist (they'd (capitalism) back up pretty much any government, good or bad, that they weren't totally opposed to).
So, the effort to compare AT&T U-Verse and Verizon FiOS and then to the rest of the world is somewhat futile because other bigger things which portend our backwardness are already causing the main problems. Internet as a respite with comparative superiority in at least one thing is now therefore gone.
The hard noses are probably right about this: if you want something like FiOS, settle on FiOS or whatever is better for now, by simply moving to where it is. If you are vested and rooted in a house someplace that doesn't have FiOS, then you are out of luck, although I challenge myself to think of unlucky approaches. | |
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| Re: Low Speeds at AT&T Perhaps AT&T should just rip down all copper phone lines, sell the copper for spot on the commodities market or ship it all to China where it can be used in any number of industrial ways. Use the proceeds from the copper sale to rollout more fiber. In 2000 I screamed at them when they made telemarketing calls that ADSL was still not available in our town. Maybe I should have screamed forget DSL and just roll fiber to my curb and bring all the services I want in on the 1 fiber line - TV service, Telephone and internet. Hindsight always 20-20. DSL has served its purpose, but now I consider it mildly overpriced when compared to what a similar household in developed Asian countries can receive for about the same money each month. | |
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