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AT&T Says 24 Mbps U-Verse Now Available Everywhere
Well, everywhere there's U-Verse, anyway...
by Karl Bode Monday 29-Mar-2010 tags: business · bandwidth · AT&T U-Verse
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In July of last year, Broadband Reports was the first to report that AT&T was cooking up a new 24 Mbps down 3 Mbps up tier for U-Verse users, and in December of last year the product launched under the "Max Turbo" brand. The tier, which costs $65 a month but requires you bundle other AT&T U-Verse products, was originally launched in Austin, San Antonio and St. Louis. According to an AT&T press statement today, AT&T has now expanded the availability of the tier to all of their U-Verse markets. AT&T currently offers U-Verse in 120 markets across 22 states.

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AT&T chose to save cash by using copper instead of upgrading to fiber the the home. As such, while some people close to the CO see their U-Verse gateways sync at 100 Mbps, most people see about 25 Mbps of total bandwidth at about 2,500-3,000 feet from the VRAD or CO. AT&T's therefore continually engaged in a balancing act that involves using compression and real time traffic management to ensure broadband data and HD IPTV signals get along.

The faster speeds come courtesy of a new 32Mbps/5Mbps gateway profile that supports the higher speed. The upgrade will also eventually support three simultaneous HD streams -- something U-Verse users should see in fairly short order.

While 24 Mbps is certainly more than enough for the average user, it's quickly being overshadowed on the marketing front by deployment of cable industry 50 and 100 Mbps DOCSIS 3.0-based service. Repeatedly-delayed pair bonded VDSL will be AT&T's retort, with AT&T enlisting a second copper pair to each house (assuming an extra pair is available) to increase speeds and extend U-Verse's range. AT&T says they should be able to double the bandwidth they're currently delivering, though other estimates peg the speed bump at closer to 25-30%.

Of course like Verizon, more than half of AT&T's users still reside on last-generation DSL. Also like Verizon, there's been indications that AT&T is slowing down deployment of their "next generation" product into additional territories. In other words, many AT&T customers won't see anything resembling next-generation speeds for a very long time. However, if you're in a U-Verse market, things just got a little bit faster for you.

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digitalfreak
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Already upgraded

I put in my upgrade order this morning. It's supposed to be done today.
CopperFiber

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Re: Already upgraded

It is not available everywhere definitely not in my area, and I am guessing I am one of the unlucky ones for paying too much for the lousy service I am getting from AT&T.
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Re: Already upgraded

Yah, me too. No UVerse in my area and probably no hope of ever seeing it or anything like decent broadband speeds... that is until they put cable lines into my subdivision. But considering the state that Charter is in, I wont hold my breath on that either.
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biskit

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Here, Here....it is not available in my area either....so I am switching to Comcast phone and interenet....I was told by a Att rep that it is expensive to get fiber optics so I will just have to wait....tough!!!!am switching....

siouxmoux2

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ATT has already hit the brickwall with U-Verse. My U-Verse service recently has been upgrade to the new vdsl2 32/5 profile with a max sync rate around 40k. There is not much more headroom for an higher profile.

Now in an copper milking fantasy world ATT will try to somehow magically increase their vdsl2 max sync rate with pair-bonding. But in really in the near future ATT will have to upgrade their U-Verse service from FTTN to FTTP.

tacoma
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2500-3000' from CO?

Is it supposed to say RT/VRAD, or whatever?
Oedipus

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Re: 2500-3000' from CO?

VRAD, more appropriately.
cooldude9919

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Re: 2500-3000' from CO?

said by Oedipus:

VRAD, more appropriately.
Could be the CO in same cases.

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said by tacoma:

Is it supposed to say RT/VRAD, or whatever?
nice i am only 1,000feet to 1500 feet away from the co (local co) i can see att building from outside the house

sapo
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Re: 2500-3000' from CO?

Me and the guys from the co (local co) have breakfast together everyday.
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deadzoned
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Same mistakes

It's unfortunate to see AT&T making the same mistakes with their broadband division as they made with their wireless division.

Their backs will be against the wall before long and then the excuses will start and then finally at some point they decide to actually address the problem while subsequently admitting that they may have made some mistakes.

It's the AT&T version of the circle of life and it sucks for the consumer.

digitalfreak
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Re: Same mistakes

Surprisingly enough, AT&T now has the fastest broadband service in my area. TW refuses to upgrade, and Insight is stuck running on TWs network here. WOW isn't any better.

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: Same mistakes

Insight isent stuck, they can allways scrap the relationship with RR and cut everyone over to their own HSI product like every outher market they are in. They chose RR as it was an established network, and well known in Columbus.

juilinsandar
Texas Gooner
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San Benito, TX

not yet...

U-verse availability checker says that there is still no u-verse love in my area.

CaptainRR
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Blue Rock, OH

Re: not yet...

Don't feel too bad I barely have a telephone in the rural area I am in with at&t.

woody7
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Torrance, CA

hmmmmm....

As I stated in another thread, I live in uverse territory, and There is a vrad just up the street, a couple of blocks,the techs said it is turned on , and just checked availability and it said it would notify me, so the "AT&T Says 24 Mbps U-Verse Now Available Everywhere" is %crap
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davidhoffman
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Re: hmmmmm....

It is only turned on and made an option for those who are getting UVerse at this time. If a location is not getting UVerse service of any type, this announcement of 24Mbps does not apply to that unserviced location.

woody7
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Re: hmmmmm....

The techs told me that people were
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Gbcue
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Yeah, 3 HD streams!

Can't wait!

I hope they'll have upgraded DVRs with more space.
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jt74589

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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

im sorry but tv service should not have a restrictions on hd channel . i should be able to watch 5 hd channel at the same time if i want to. there hd channel in cali are so bad looking. they compress it to much.

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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

said by jt74589 :

im sorry but tv service should not have a restrictions on hd channel . i should be able to watch 5 hd channel at the same time if i want to. there hd channel in cali are so bad looking. they compress it to much.
I'd rather take way more HD channels, not jargon "hd choices" on U-Verse over Comcrap any day.

DirecTV & Dish has a similar restrictions on HD streams.

Are you saying with Comcrap I can do 10 HD streams at once?
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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

said by Gbcue :

DirecTV & Dish has a similar restrictions on HD streams.
Are you referring to multi-room dvr streaming? otherwise, i was under the assumption that with directv you are not limited to any number of simulatneous HD channels. I have 3 dvrs and have recorded 6 different hd shows simultaneously before.

Gbcue
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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

Back when I had DISH, we could only do 2 HD streams, maximum, period.

3 DVRs? How many physical dishes + receivers did you have?
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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

I have a relatively new install, one slimline dish, SWM, and 3 dual-tuner DVR's. I've never had DISH btw.
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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

Did you pick it up at the local emporium?

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One DirecTV SWM-Integrated dish (the type now typically delivered to new customers) can do 8 HD streams over a single coax wire.

You can get pretty much any number of HD streams with a single dish using external splitting/switching gear.
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said by Gbcue:

Back when I had DISH, we could only do 2 HD streams, maximum, period.

3 DVRs? How many physical dishes + receivers did you have?
I can attest to that. I have two VIP722k Dish DVR's with Dual tuner's and I can record 4 HD show's at one time with one Dish, not sure of the exact name but it's bigger than the Dish 500.
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said by Gbcue:

Back when I had DISH, we could only do 2 HD streams, maximum, period.

3 DVRs? How many physical dishes + receivers did you have?
PLEASE stop calling them "streams".. they're not "streams" in the case of dish or cable... only IPTV or other internet based delivery...

Dish, Direct, Cable, Fios, etc is all limited by the equipment you chose to take... or they can provide.. but they're not "streams"....

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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

PLEASE stop calling them "streams".. they're not "streams" in the case of dish or cable... only IPTV or other internet based delivery...
Umm, what do you think the "s" in MPEG2-TS stands for?
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fiberguy
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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

In the sense of Satellite and cable, they're not streams... not in the sense that is U-Verse.

djrobx

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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

Data does not need to flow in from an IP source to be considered a stream.
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fiberguy
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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

So, then the same can be said about "OnDemand Choices" too... it can't be both ways guys... when we're talking about "streaming" or "streams" in the sense of what AT&T does.. that's IP based streams... when you're talking about how many "streams can" as they said "Comcrap do" we're talking about RF delivery - they are TWO TOTALLY different things..

Ever heard of context based terminology? Satellite and cable don't "stream" to your home... they're fixed delivery methods... in the case of U-Verse, YouTube, etc.. those are "streams"...

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said by djrobx:

PLEASE stop calling them "streams".. they're not "streams" in the case of dish or cable... only IPTV or other internet based delivery...
Umm, what do you think the "s" in MPEG2-TS stands for?
um they are using a mpeg-4 embedded into the MPEG2-TS (they do the same thing with blu-rays)

MPEG transport stream aka: M2T or Mpeg2-T/S
TierX

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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

U-verse uses RTP encapsulated MPEG2 transport streams, its not an m2ts (which adds 4 bytes for a time stamp) like what is used on Bluray. Carrying mpeg4 content in a mpeg2 ts stream is defined in ISO 14496-1.

scooby
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One dish, two Dish 722 dvrs equals being able to record 8 things in HD simultaneously using OTA (where the wife records most of her stuff anyhow).

I tried U-verse but at 3200ft they could only offer 1 HD channel and 12 mbit/s max internet. Back to Dish was a no brainer and Comcast Business is an improvement over the 12 mbit/s from U-verse.

digitalfreak
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said by Gbcue:

DirecTV & Dish has a similar restrictions on HD streams.
The only limit on the number of HD "streams" at once with DirecTV is how many boxes you have. I believe you can get at least 16 (8 boxes x 2 tuners each).
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DirecTV & Dish has a similar restrictions on HD streams.
Says who? The only restrictions on the number of streams is the physical number of receivers. All of their modern receivers have 2 tuners. I've seen DISH systems record 3 things at a time -- 2 sat plus 1 ota. DTV has never programmed their systems for such "edge cases."
fiberguy
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Hmmmmm.. so you don't want to be told the truth huh?

CHOICE is a defined term and used properly - so please.. kindly get over it. They have their linear channels and then they OnDemand "Choices"... or Selections.. what do you want them to call it? do I dare ask you?

Second.. Um.. yea.. Comcast CAN provide you 10 HD streams at once... are you shocked yet?? oi. Their regular cable isn't a "stream" anyway.. it's an RF/QAM that's locked into by the box.. they can have hundreds of HD "streams" as you call them at any given time in any node.. and as for YOUR home specifically, sure.. if you had 10 boxes, you could get 10 HD channels at one time.. Further, if they were all DVR boxes, you could get 20 if you wanted.... as for their OnDemand.. well... yea.. they can certainly push out the HD if your boxes order them...

So.. while you sit here and slam, I mean TRY to slam Comcast with their HD and their "jargon".. maybe you should spare the "comCRAP' part of it becuase you only look silly doing so - especially when you are wrong in your assumptions.



hint: steer away from the term "stream" as a universal "jargon" term when you make these kinds of post there..
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You still have to live in the real world. If it's a 30M link and each HD stream is 10M, you cannot fit 5 f***ing streams. Or do you *like* TW's oversubscribed method of HD -- where you get no data when there's no room for it.

On cable, traditionally, that single cable carries everything all at once. The only thing limiting what you can watch is how many tuners you have. (SDV screws that up.) The same is true of DISH/Directv.
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Re: Yeah, 3 HD streams!

said by cramer:

On cable, traditionally, that single cable carries everything all at once. The only thing limiting what you can watch is how many tuners you have. (SDV screws that up.) The same is true of DISH/Directv.
SDV doesn't impact the number of channels you watch at any given time either... If there were 200 digital channels available and all 200 were tuned in to at the same time by any box connected in that node, all 200 channels would be available. SDV just holds the channels off at the edge router that are not in use at that time freeing up available frequency for other things like Data..

baineschile
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Why

Why is the upload so slow? I thought cable was the only one that had that issue, and FTTN woulld be able to offer more mirrored connections

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amungus
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watching TV

Wow, that little pic actually says that 12Mbps is good for "Watching TV" (/video clips...)

One could almost infer from said image that they are fine with using a computer to pipe video to a TV

LitespeedATX

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U-Verse 24mb service

I live in Austin, TX and the 24mb service launched here months ago. I cannot get it even though ATT has advertised it heavily.
When you call in to get the service you find out the real story.

It is smoke and mirrors from ATT.
Well, at least Clear and TW are here so there is "competition."
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Re: U-Verse 24mb service

You're likely too far away from the VRAD. Gotta love copper-pair technologies.

Granted, fiber technically has similar limitations, but the bandwidth available is increased by several orders of magnitude and the rate falloff due to distance is spread much more thinly.

io chico
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Magalia, CA

Of course...

No U-Verse in my area. You city folks have all the choices.

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kenn10

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Kennesaw, GA

I can't get 18 Meg Uverse Internet Here

Perhaps the web site is not updated yet but neither 18 or 24 speeds are available to me. Still hanging in here with Comcast.
Firefly2003

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Hmm

hmmm, no U-Verse in my area that is false advertisement, then again I can't get any wired service in my area

inferno

join:2008-07-06

Not in Mississippi...

Still not in Mississippi... That's not "everywhere"

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Re: Not in Mississippi...

said by inferno:

Still not in Mississippi... That's not "everywhere"
They mean everywhere uverse is available. But you knew that. sheesh.
Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO

You mean....

You mean it is available everywhere they can support it.

Being that I have UVerse and couldnt get 2 HD or their top speed 3 months ago, I doubt I can get this now.

gigahurtz
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Tried it...

no thanks.

I had U-Verse for a few months and was not impressed. I'm very close to the VRAD (less than 1,000 ft) and had issues with pixeling. The prices were higher than the cable company the technology had not been fine tuned. I felt as though I was AT&T's personal beta tester but I wasn't getting compensated for it. I was paying about $180 after taxes for three TVs, HD service with DVR, 10Mbps internet and unlimited phone.

For the same package through Brighthouse, I pay about $45 less a month.

digitalfreak
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Re: Tried it...

I stayed away from the TV offering because of the limited number of simultaneous HD streams and compression problems. I may switch to U-Verse voice in the next couple of months, since I've been very happy with the Internet portion.

gigahurtz
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Re: Tried it...

said by digitalfreak:

I stayed away from the TV offering because of the limited number of simultaneous HD streams and compression problems. I may switch to U-Verse voice in the next couple of months, since I've been very happy with the Internet portion.
Did you pay their ridiculous installation fee?
BullyRED

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"all" of their markets? I think not...

read the u-verse forums...AT&T is pulling a PR blanket out on this one. Many users are reporting that this is truly not available today for "all" markets.

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Re: "all" of their markets? I think not...

said by BullyRED:

read the u-verse forums...AT&T is pulling a PR blanket out on this one. Many users are reporting that this is truly not available today for "all" markets.
[/BQUOTE

It is available in the Wichita market, I am considered the same market though I am 35 miles away and will never see Uverse.
DoubleK
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Beloit, WI

Price Check, Aisle UVerse

I will stick with Charter as they have been solid the last 30 months for me!

20/2 for $43 a month opposed to 24/2 for $67 a month UVerse? Sorry AT&T maybe you noticed a recession? Your value in bundling is a JOKE.
MyDogHsFleas
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Re: Price Check, Aisle UVerse

That's a bundled price right? I haven't seen cable pricing this low on Internet as a standalone thing.
DoubleK
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No, surprisingly they dropped the $10 penalty for me having Dish Network and no home phone :P
lethcoeb

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Houston, TX

UVerse Availability

I would not put too much stock in the online availability tool - I am still listed as "not available," although the AT&T tech who installed UVerse at my neighbor's house told me - "yes, it's available here." An my neighbor seems to like it.

If I did not already have so much invested in TiVo...
MrScarface

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Uverse.....

I pay $55 a month for 18mb/2mb Uverse Internet only in Missouri City, TX (Houston Suburb). I switched for DSL Elite after having problems being to far from the RT. Very Happy. I don't use Uverse TV because I need 6 HD streams (3 HD DVRs with Dual Tuners), so I stick with Directv. At some point, I will need 4 to 6 more HD streams......Directv can do that.
FattyAcid

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Houston, TX

Re: Uverse.....

There is AT&T in Missouri City? I thought it was all Verizon or En-Touch?
MrScarface

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Missouri City, TX

Re: Uverse.....

Missouri City, Texas is ATT and Comcast at in Quail Valley East. I have never seen Verizon.

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not in Canton, OH

I checked as soon as I saw this news story but there has been no change to available services when I input my address at the ATT U-Verse availability site.
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Re: not in Canton, OH

It is available locally, in Milwaukee,WI.. used to only be 18 Meg available. [Unfortunately, the cut off is my neighbor across the street- this side of street - U-verse not available.]

The VRad is about 1/2 block from my house.. about 2,500 feet or so. [Not as the wiring is installed.]

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