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AT&T Responds To Fake Steve Jobs' Real DDoS
'irresponsible and pointless' attention grabbing, says telco
by Karl Bode Wednesday 16-Dec-2009 tags: business · wireless · Op/Ed · Oddities · consumers · AT&T
Earlier this week "fake Steve Jobs" (Newsweek journalist Dan Lyons) wrote a satirical tirade against AT&T, lamenting the company's inability to adequately address iPhone bandwidth demand, and their recent comments suggesting they might impose new metered charges for iPhone users. In response, Lyons urged readers to use as much bandwidth as possible this Friday in protest against AT&T's failure to understand that people using your product is a good thing. As you'd expect, a fake CEO issuing a call for a real DDoS didn't amuse AT&T. The company issued a statement calling the joke "irresponsible and pointless:"

We understand that fakesteve.net is primarily a satirical forum, but there is nothing amusing about advocating that customers attempt to deliberately degrade service on a network that provides critical communications services for more than 80 million customers. We know that the vast majority of customers will see this action for what it is: an irresponsible and pointless scheme to draw attention to a blog.

Is requesting users engage in a DDoS the best avenue of attack to make that point to AT&T? Absolutely not: a DDoS can lead to real problems with people not being able to call for emergency services (assuming the network was in the mood to connect the call in the first place). That said, apparently the effort to draw attention worked -- since a gigantic international telecom conglomerate is taking the time to respond to a fake CEO's blog post. As you'd expect, fake Steve Jobs had a response of his own:

At least we didn’t rake in $40 billion in revenues and $10 billion in profit over the past nine months by selling a wireless network that doesn’t work right. And at least we’re not saying one thing in our advertising (unlimited!) and another thing when we talk to investors at Wall Street conferences.

Fake Jobs goes on to make a real point often missed: while AT&T wireless revenues have exploded, CAPEX investment back into the network has stayed the same or dropped over the last eight years -- despite the fact that AT&T engineers predicted this looming explosion in iPhone user bandwidth demand. While AT&T still invests billions into their network, they frankly needed to invest billions more -- and certainly had the funds to do so. Instead they chose to please investors, cut corners, and as a result spent most of 2009 defending a network that for many users simply doesn't work properly.

To add insult to injury, AT&T wireless chief Ralph de la Vega last week came out with comments that seemingly blamed customers for actually using the network, and inaccurately argued the flat-rate model they've been making tens of billions of dollars off -- wasn't able to fund expansion. Of course de la Vega was talking to investors, who usually lack long-term vision. You''ll recall how the same investors whined extensively about Verizon future-proofing their network with fiber to the home, oblivious to how the investment made the company a game changer and solidified Verizon's competitive position for years to come.

As we noted during AT&T's recent 3G advertising fight with Verizon -- the best defense at this point isn't talk -- or more ads featuring Luke Wilson. The best defense is sucking it up, ignoring your myopic investors (at least up to a point), and investing the necessary money back into the network. If investors complain, AT&T can direct angry users and satirical bloggers to their home numbers. It would save money on support costs and maybe AT&T's overworked Seth Bloom could finally take a break. Anyone have Craig Moffett's personal cell phone number?

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pnh102
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Silly

I am sure this has been said in other places but if AT&T really cared about "critical communications services for more than 80 million customers" then it would do more to resolve the problems of dropped calls and poor data service, regardless of the root causes of those problems.
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Re: Silly

Why should they care? As long as the iPhone sheep keep lining up to be fleeced, there's no need to improve service.

In fact, certain interpretations of corporate fiduciary responsibility require that AT&T do and spend as little as possible as long as the iPhone money keeps rolling in so as to maximize stockholder return on investment.

Customers are merely a means to an end. Nothing changes until those customers stop paying. In the case of the iPhone, the customers will continue paying even with the horrid service they get.

rawgerz
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Re: Silly

Anyone else see their commercials and think, "If they're constantly having to defend themselves as they do, they must be doing something wrong"?

It's too bad Alltel sold out. Being a private company and doing very well for themselves. Everyone I knew that had them were very pleased, and I would have used them too if they had coverage here.
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Re: Silly

said by rawgerz:

It's too bad Alltel sold out. Being a private company and doing very well for themselves. Everyone I knew that had them were very pleased, and I would have used them too if they had coverage here.
You're telling me. I'm quite pissed that AT&T is taking over Alltel here. What's nice is that I'll keep my phone for a year until they kill off the CDMA network.

What's not nice is my data plan going to sh*t. I'll post how bad it gets when AT&T takes over next month.
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Without investors money to expand evaporates

Instead they chose to please investors,
Ignore the need of investors to earn an adequate return and the investors disappear. And the money to make all these EXTRA billions for expansion, you so blithely take for granted, wouldn't exist.

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by fAcEtIOUs:

Instead they chose to please investors,
Ignore the need of investors to earn an adequate return and the investors disappear. And the money to make all these EXTRA billions for expansion, you so blithely take for granted, wouldn't exist.
So advocate taking peoples money and giving them back an inferior product. While I know investors are needed in order to keep it up and running, these so called investors need to start looking into the long term and not just tomorrow.

I have said before and will say again, kick out the day traders looking for a return tomorrow and make it more of long term investments.
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

AT&T could care less about day traders. Day traders don't drive stock prices, they ride minor price fluctuations. So what's "long term"? Is 10 months long term? How about 18 months? Should I be willing/required to hold a stock 20 years to see a return?

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said by fAcEtIOUs:

Instead they chose to please investors,
Ignore the need of investors to earn an adequate return and the investors disappear. And the money to make all these EXTRA billions for expansion, you so blithely take for granted, wouldn't exist.
I'm guessing you missed this part?

said by end of article :
Go look at their financial statements and open up the Financial Operations and Statistics Summary and look at capital expenditures over the past eight quarters. I’m no math whiz, but it looks like capex has gone down by about 30% over the time period. Scroll down a bit to the Wireless section and check out data revenues — they’re up 80% over the same period.
So, capex is down 30% while data revenue is up 80%. Ummm, that prompts a very loud WTF and should piss AT&T customers off to no end.
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

Wireless is just part of the ATT and even though data revenue is up 80% all that money isn't going into wireless bucket. You have landline losses increasing month after month and slower pick up on dsl and not to mention money spent on Uverse rollout.

In retrospect they probably should have increased their capex budget for Wireless division but if they take money from one area, than some other arera is going to get the shaft.
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by caco:

Wireless is just part of the ATT and even though data revenue is up 80% all that money isn't going into wireless bucket. You have landline losses increasing month after month and slower pick up on dsl and not to mention money spent on Uverse rollout.

In retrospect they probably should have increased their capex budget for Wireless division but if they take money from one area, than some other arera is going to get the shaft.
I misquoted, wireless revenue is up 80%.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:

Instead they chose to please investors,
Ignore the need of investors to earn an adequate return and the investors disappear. And the money to make all these EXTRA billions for expansion, you so blithely take for granted, wouldn't exist.
This is what you get when investors want INSTANT gratification instead of steady income.

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by moonpuppy:

said by fAcEtIOUs:

Instead they chose to please investors,
Ignore the need of investors to earn an adequate return and the investors disappear. And the money to make all these EXTRA billions for expansion, you so blithely take for granted, wouldn't exist.
This is what you get when investors want INSTANT gratification instead of steady income.


When people's contracts end, iPhone moves on to better pastures, and AT&T starts getting mass exodus (like with their POTS and DSL services), I bet their investors won't be happy then. Sure they make a shiny penny today at AT&T's customers' expense, but when the future becomes now they will be singing a different tune.
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

Indeed. "Long term" is more than 2-5 years

Watch another "baby bell" have to bail out the other baby bell (SBC) who bailed out "ma bell"

What a mess.

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said by jimbo2150:

When people's contracts end, iPhone moves on to better pastures, and AT&T starts getting mass exodus (like with their POTS and DSL services), I bet their investors won't be happy then. Sure they make a shiny penny today at AT&T's customers' expense, but when the future becomes now they will be singing a different tune.
Actually they won't. Because the minute it looks like AT&T is losing customers and future earnings growth estimates are depressed, the smart money will pull out and move elsewhere
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

And there you have the life of a stock jockey that will sacrifice tomorrow for today.

I am just curious do you guys actually say out loud "screw everyone else, this is for me" when you wake every morning?

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by Skippy25:

And there you have the life of a stock jockey that will sacrifice tomorrow for today.

I am just curious do you guys actually say out loud "screw everyone else, this is for me" when you wake every morning?
LOL. No we say that in our prayers just before going to sleep.
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I am pretty much afraid it is the human race that does that in general.
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by txfeinbergs:

I am pretty much afraid it is the human race that does that in general.
Speak for yourself.
jimbo2150

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by viperlmw:

said by txfeinbergs:

I am pretty much afraid it is the human race that does that in general.
Speak for yourself.
I believe he did. Did you see his fine print?
said by txfeinbergs:

Let me enlarge it for you:

"My opinions are my own. Anything I say, type, sign, or otherwise express cannot be taken seriously unless supported with valid evidence. These 'opinions' include, but are not limited to, suggestions of alien attack (foreign or other-wise), brain-sucking slugs, or expressing opinions on behalf of the entire human race."
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by jimbo2150:

said by viperlmw:

said by txfeinbergs:

I am pretty much afraid it is the human race that does that in general.
Speak for yourself.
I believe he did. Did you see his fine print?
said by txfeinbergs:

Let me enlarge it for you:

"My opinions are my own. Anything I say, type, sign, or otherwise express cannot be taken seriously unless supported with valid evidence. These 'opinions' include, but are not limited to, suggestions of alien attack (foreign or other-wise), brain-sucking slugs, or expressing opinions on behalf of the entire human race."
Oh shit!!! I totally missed that!!! Should have put on my teeny tiny fine print spectacles!!!

SLD
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Companies this large shouldn't need investors. They should buy back the stock and go private.

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by SLD:

Companies this large shouldn't need investors.
How do you think they get that large? Spontaneous creation? Where do you think the money comes from to get the company going?
said by SLD:

They should buy back the stock and go private.
Who do you think then owns the company? A company can't own itself...the owners are the investors and they demand a return on that investment. Going private just means the stock is not publicly traded, not that there are no investors. In fact, many public companies which are turned private are done so by vulture capital firms whose plan has nothing to do with improving service or innovation, and you'll have zero public information about what goes on behind closed doors.

How can someone so completely misunderstand how this all works?

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

I fully understand how it works. It was implicit that the company would grow large with public investors, but that truly interested parties should buy out the public stock to become a closely held or private company, once they become this size.

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

No you still don't get it. Why would the interested parties buy out the public stock if there is no return on the investment? What changes from public to private except for a dramatic reduction in publicly available financial and operating information?

Why would private owners suddenly decide to make it a non-profit entity?

Why is private ownership better?

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by 56403739:

No you still don't get it. Why would the interested parties buy out the public stock if there is no return on the investment? What changes from public to private except for a dramatic reduction in publicly available financial and operating information?

Why would private owners suddenly decide to make it a non-profit entity?

Why is private ownership better?
I think his theory is that private investors would look more to long term results and not only look at the short term and live and die by quarterly results. We know that isn't usually true. A prime example: When Cerberus took over Chrysler and took it private, things got MUCH worse and not better.

The sharks who take public companies private are usually a rapacious mgt team that does a leveraged buyout. They sell off everything they can and then dump the mess in an IPO before people wise up to what they did.
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

TK gets it, on both sides. Riblet is stuck on quarterly profits that drives the sociopathic nature of large corporations.

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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

Stuck? No. You did not read the second paragraph TK posted. THAT's what I am talking about.

You answered none of my questions.

SLD
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

Sorry, TK's post seemed to cover it, but I can be more concise. I had originally responded to TKs first post:
said by fAcEtIOUs:

"Ignore the need of investors to earn an adequate return and the investors disappear."
My response was implying that these corps are too large to be held by shareholders - they become headless beasts. If the proper people purchase the corps and make them private, they can turn higher profits for their owners (no shareholders to pay) if properly run, and *less* sociopathic.

As to the comment about stripping companies, it is very true. But I don't agree it is the best process.

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said by fAcEtIOUs:

said by 56403739:

No you still don't get it. Why would the interested parties buy out the public stock if there is no return on the investment? What changes from public to private except for a dramatic reduction in publicly available financial and operating information?

Why would private owners suddenly decide to make it a non-profit entity?

Why is private ownership better?
I think his theory is that private investors would look more to long term results and not only look at the short term and live and die by quarterly results. We know that isn't usually true. A prime example: When Cerberus took over Chrysler and took it private, things got MUCH worse and not better.

The sharks who take public companies private are usually a rapacious mgt team that does a leveraged buyout. They sell off everything they can and then dump the mess in an IPO before people wise up to what they did.
Sorta like Vonage did. LOL!
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without customers, money evaporates

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what I find troubling in all your "posts" is that the most important thing to "ATT" or Telcos in gerneral is the investors, not the people who pay for the service. I am sure that the people using the service "pay" more than the "investors" do, and all they ask for is a service that works as "advertised" . Without users there would be no need for a service. Instead of spending millions in keeping their piece of the pie intact, spend some money on infrastructure, and that will solve the investor problem. These corporations spend more money getting out of fixing/solving an issue than it probably cost to fix/solve. Don't whine when you get carded on your poor service/coverage, then threaten to sue, Peace
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

said by woody7:

I am sure that the people using the service "pay" more than the "investors" do, and all they ask for is a service that works as "advertised".
Note that even you had to put "advertised" in quotations. In the legal realm they get nearly all the wiggle room in the world when it comes to "as advertised." How do you think they get away with advertising themselves as "America's Largest and Fastest" network when, in reality, they are not? They technology they provide, in the few areas they provide it in, and under optimal conditions provide them with the fastest network... but it is consistently over-crowded, 3G is not available in quite a few locations, and their voice service tends to drop calls fairly often. Do you think they are the largest or fastest?
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Re: Without investors money to expand evapoporates

When you say you have the best (insert whatever) and advertised (insert whatever) I find it troubling when you don't get "near" what is adverstised. If it is advertised 1.5 and I get 1.3, that isn't a problem, when you advertise 5, and you ger 2.3, that is a legitimate complaint. When you say you have the best "3g" coverage, and you get carded on it and comback with your total coverage "chart" I have problems. If it ain't so, don't lie and try and make it "so". Yes understand the importance of the "investers", but what about the people who "invested" in your product, don't they have a reasonable expectation that the kind of get what you "adversise" ? And remember, not everyone is sufisticated enough to figure out the "bull" from the advertising, and like there is a real difference between the companies and you have a real choice. Most people choose the "lessor" of the "evils' . I stand by my original statement that the end user comes after the "investor" .
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I agree that investors are needed for expansion (I invest quite heavily myself) but AT&T is not finding that balance Verizon has found with pleasing customers and investors. While lots of investors thought Verizon's FiOS venture was crazy, it really has been a great payoff and I, as a Verizon investor, feel much more comfortable with my VZ stock than my AT&T stock. It's not opinion... it's fact. AT&T's network is a big problem, and you better believe that when the iphone deal loses exclusivity, their numbers (both customer #'s and $$$) will plummet. As that contract expiration nears, I will be selling my AT&T stock. It's been a fun ride, but since they decided against increasing capex and "future-proofing" their network, I just don't see them recovering very fast from the loss of iphone exclusivity.

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Uh, no.

Unless they are issuing NEW stock or debt, there are no "investors" paying for new expansion.

That expansion is paid by rate payers.

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»news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2009121···bsnotatt
I am asking readers not to take part in this silly protest. Why? Because to the extent it hurts anyone, it won't hurt AT&T. The actual damage will be done to customers--businesses especially--running critical wireless apps during the protest hours.

The FCC tells ABC News that the danger is even more serious: Suppose a 911 call is blocked by protestors jamming AT&T's network and someone is injured as a result?

"Threats of this nature are serious and we caution the public to use common sense and good judgment when accessing the Internet from their commercial mobile devices," Jamie Barnett, chief of FCC's public safety and homeland security bureau, said in a statement. "To purposely try to disrupt or negatively impact a network with ill-intent is irresponsible and presents a significant public safety concern."

Lyons' should to call off this protest before somebody gets hurt as a result of it. And readers should avoid his blog until Lyons' apologizes for the mess he's created, perhaps unintentionally.

The FCC is right, intentionally disrupting critical infrastructure is irresponsible and presents a public safety concern. Is sending a message to AT&T really worth the damage it might cause some innocent bystander?

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Using data isn't going to block anyone's 911 call. The FCC and these pundits are dopey. If AT&T can't handle the traffic, they shouldn't sell the plans...simple. And the day they cap is the day I move my services to their competitor.

And this dope is wrong if he thinks AT&T isn't being hurt by this. The network will certainly not have serious problems (and all those 911 calls go through just fine, until you are left on hold). All this press and attention to AT&T's network issues is plenty damaging however, so much so that they are in continuous damage control mode in the press.

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It's working

Keep it up. When the CEO starts complaining like that you know this will be a huge news story on Friday.

Also, isn't it built into the system that voice has priority on their systems?

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ATT users use bandwith that they pay good money for and ATT calls it "irresponsible and pointless". Priceless.

So when ATT and Verizon finally merge will the ATT areas get better or will the VZ areas just start sucking as well?
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The VZ areas that don't currently suck (are there any? not where I live) will most likely end up sucking, it's just easier that way.
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I did find one place that my VZ service didn't work today (first time in 4 months w/ VZ service)... in the mall at the back of a Radio Shack. I was like "oh, that's what my blackberry looks like when it can't find a tower".
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said by 45071419:

ATT users use bandwith that they pay good money for and ATT calls it "irresponsible and pointless". Priceless.

So when ATT and Verizon finally merge will the ATT areas get better or will the VZ areas just start sucking as well?
AT&T is calling the DDoS attack "irresponsible and pointless" not you using your iPhone for what you pay for.

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No need for a DDoS here.....

My service is bad enough as it is. That new 'mark the spot' app has become my most used app. Sure glad the text confirmations are free.

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You mean, USE THE SERVICE?

So AT&T will now get mad for iPhone users for actually using their data plan? It just happens to be at the same time as all other iPhone users.

HA!
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ouch!

Wow, this dude has quite the gumption.

Guess somebody has to step up and say that the TDMA based network totally sucks for calls, and calling them out on data details is also funny.

A phone's primary duty is to be a phone...

I had a TDMA based phone once - it sucked terribly. Dropped calls while sitting still with full signal. Even the customer service folks were laughing when calls to them were suddenly dropped...
GSM isn't any better for calls either (since it's based on TDMA).

Brag all you want, but if it sucks, it sucks. Tout data all you want; if calls suck, they suck. Doing both at the same time? Haha, yeah, until your call drops for no good reason.

I don't condone the call to action here either, but damn it is funny that this guy has the guts to slam on them so hard.

I'd personally like to see TDMA based phone service totally go away. It causes headaches, buzzes radios strangely, drops calls way too often, oh, and sucks terribly all around.

How it got to be a 'global' standard still confuses me. It must've been the "easier" choice, but I certainly don't see how it's any better than CDMA.
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Message to AT&T: Cry me a ****ing river

Seriously. Friday isn't a peak demand time for AT&T (New Year's Eve is if I remember correctly) so theoretically they should be able to handle demand just fine. If not, their ndata network deserves to go down to AT&T can become the laughingstock of the wireless industry yet again. Their voice network will be just fine through all of this; I wouldn't condone a "call all the people you can and leave the phone off the hook" flash mob but this won't impact emergency services one bit unless AT&T has their network totally screwed up.

I'll be doing my part Friday with a data card. Not that I wouldn't have been downloading stuff over that connection anyway; I'll just be using 900MB in an hour rather than, say, 300MB. Both figures are well under my cap, I'm most definitely paying for the service and at the time the AT&T 3G connection will in fact be the fastest broadband I have available (yay being beyond DSL and cable) so I'll stress-test their network without a second thought. Especially since the only other people I know on AT&T in my area are either GSM-only or have iPhones. Those folks don't need the solid data network anyway, right?

meh37II

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To be honest...

from all the studies I've seen lately about the current usage levels and the resulting network performance, it already looks almost like a "DDoS" every day--no need to increase usage much at all come Friday. (/satire )
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???

quote:
Fake Jobs goes on to make a real point often missed: while AT&T wireless revenues have exploded, CAPEX investment back into the network has stayed the same or dropped
Any of you know this how? You do realize it takes TIME to expand a wireless network right?

Then again AT&T works for me and the NOTwork from the big Red V doesn't.

That doesn't fit the Blogosphere Bitches' agenda though.....

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said by itguy05:

quote:
Fake Jobs goes on to make a real point often missed: while AT&T wireless revenues have exploded, CAPEX investment back into the network has stayed the same or dropped
Any of you know this how? You do realize it takes TIME to expand a wireless network right?

Then again AT&T works for me and the NOTwork from the big Red V doesn't.

That doesn't fit the Blogosphere Bitches' agenda though.....
And I am sure there are 100's more like you that are just the opposite.

Yes, it does take time to expand a network. How can you expand a network , though, when you are reducing the amount you put into capital expendures, ie. your network? You have to spend to build and it is obvious they are not spending on their network.

I guess they are too busy spending on their lawyers to defend a crappy overall network.
Mountain Man

join:2002-08-10
Tucson, AZ
It does in fact take significant amounts of TIME to expand a wireless network. I have been involved as a supplier to AT&T contractors upgrading the Arizona wireless networks. Many of the delays are created by a few homeowners standing in the way of progress or the cities extracting their pound of flesh at a painfully slow pace. You simply can not do what AT&T is attempting to do over a 1-2 year period of time.

In looking at the network architecture AT&T is putting in place they will be in good shape when they begin to offer LTE services. While it doesn't seem to be a popular position to take in this venue AT&T as a public company also has an obligation to their shareholders as well as their end users.

BTW generally speaking my iPhone works very well in most places and is no more prone to network performance issues than was the my Verizon service. All of the networks have holes in coverage that have yet to be filled.

morbo
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Re: ???

said by Mountain Man:

You simply can not do what AT&T is attempting to do over a 1-2 year period of time.
talking out of your ass, I see.

jap
Premium
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038xx
said by Mountain Man:

All of the networks have holes in coverage that have yet to be filled.
Your closing statement relates to nothing in discussion, it just sounded good to you.
ZachAttack

join:2009-05-30
Yorba Linda, CA
Annual Reports, and Statements made under the rules of the SEC. That''s how they know that.
k1ll3rdr4g0n

join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL

Stupidity at its best

AT&T CEO to "fake Steve Jobs" - "NAH NAH your dumb"

If I ran a company, and wanted to really smack someone in the proverbial sense, I would take the billions out of my piggy bank and reinvest it in the network FAST. Were talking a project that would take years, make it happen in 1-3 weeks.

Then when everyone is happy, I would release a press release stating "We have no idea what your talking about, our network is great...just see what our users are saying" and cut to real people and quote some forum posts. Then BAM just watch the profit roll in.

Instead AT&T is not taking "fake Steve Jobs" seriously and wasting the money on ads against Verizon. If I were an investor/stakeholder, I for one, WOULD NOT BE HAPPY.

Although, when I used AT&T service it was alright. Nothing to write home about, but the network speed was acceptable, the calling was below average but hey you work with what you got. Basically calls would drop when I am in low signal areas, which was kind of expected...but their "fewest dropped calls" defiantly isn't true.

56403739
Less than 5 months left
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join:2006-03-08
Naples, FL
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Re: Stupidity at its best

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

If I ran a company [...] a project that would take years, make it happen in 1-3 weeks.
Clearly you've never run any company.
k1ll3rdr4g0n

join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL

Re: Stupidity at its best

said by 56403739:

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

If I ran a company [...] a project that would take years, make it happen in 1-3 weeks.
Clearly you've never run any company.
I do, and I pour my money back into my company instead of into my pocket. How do I survive? What good is letting out my company secrets .

Should I put it into my pocket and run my company in the ground? (AIG?)
Or how about screwing over customers and milking them for everything they are worth? (AT&T looking to charge per byte)
Or how about putting money into advertising instead of putting it back into the company? (Again AT&T)

To me, my company is not a profit motive and that is what separates me from those fly by night and the multi-billion dollar operations. I am not, and probably will never make millions, but if I can help one person, even if it costs me money, I will do it.
Unless of course, you don't want to actually *contribute* anything back to the human race?

How would YOU run a business?

56403739
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Re: Stupidity at its best

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

How would YOU run a business?
I would, and do, run it in the real world. NO way you're building out a wireless network in three weeks.
k1ll3rdr4g0n

join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL

Re: Stupidity at its best

said by 56403739:

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

How would YOU run a business?
I would, and do, run it in the real world. NO way you're building out a wireless network in three weeks.
Given enough money, you can make ANYTHING happen. It's just the amount that you can spend without loosing a profit is the hard part. Consider if you have enough money to pay the man power, and equipment, I see it as a realistic goal - BUT of course someone would argue that it would cost too much and wouldn't be worth it. I would disagree. Look at how much money AT&T is making, and look at where AT&T is actually -putting- the money.
I'm no rocket scientist, but doesn't seem like good investing to me.

Wave a couple billion, you can make anything happen. The hard part is acquiring that couple billion through legal means.

Cthen

join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
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No capacity?

quote:
Is requesting users engage in a DDoS the best avenue of attack to make that point to AT&T? Absolutely not: a DDoS can lead to real problems with people not being able to call for emergency services
If this is the big concern here, then why is there no capacity to support emergency services under any condition?

Sounds like another piss poor excuse for an inadequate service and maybe some DDoSing is in order to give some one a wake up call.
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Roflmao

join:2000-06-08
Glendale, CA

AT&T FTL

I feel for ya iphone users. Every time I call my bud on his iphone, I get either a dropped call or it goes to voicemail....and he wonders why i don't call him much anymore LOL

AT&T blows....big time.

Anyone see that new commercial AT&T made against Verizon using Tom Hanks? That just made me laugh.
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lvas

join:2001-05-17
Glen Carbon, IL

at&t capex 18 billion in 2009

a quick google session and you will find that over the last 2 years at&t have spent 39 billion in capex improvements and this year 2/3 of the 18billion went to improve 3G

»www.rethink-wireless.com/2009/03···acks.htm

really you can only spend so much a year with existing staff to install the equipment and they supposedly hired 3000 more folks to help with the 3g build out.

what do you want them to do - sprinkly fairy dust and say I wish, I wish the 3g network will build itself quicker? I'm not a network guy but it seems like it just takes some time to enginer/design the plant, create the longhauls, build the towers, change over spectrum, etc, etc.

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Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
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Different AT&T same Bologna.

It seems that the new AT&T Wireless sized their broadband network like they sized central offices. The Bell System allowed 2.5 CCS (250 Seconds) per hour of usage per residential line and 7.0 CCS (700 Seconds) per hour of usage per Business Line. Actually if you are on the line one hour you generated 36.0 CCS or (3600 Seconds) of traffic that hour of usage. It was not financially practical to implement a telephone network that could support 36 CCS per subscriber.

The Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers (ILEC's) quickly learned that when the number of dial up internet customers, on line, reached a critical number, they had to upgrade their voice networks in order to carry the traffic. In 1997 the ILEC's petitioned the FCC to allow them to charge ISP's per minute of usage on internet, modem access lines. The whole idea was to charge the customer for upgrading their networks. The FCC told the ILEC's to upgrade their networks at their expense. AT&T Wireless is pulling the same bologna. It is time for the FCC to require all ISP's to maintain a minimum grade of serviced or be sanctioned.

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
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Riot mentality

I'm all for pushing AT&T to improve there network, as a 3GS user, they are definately greedy corporate swine, they should be putting money into there network hand over fist to catch up with verizon's 3G coverage, but this has the wisdom of people who riot in there own town.

Let's burn down the network, so it works even worse on friday, it won't accomplish anything, How easy do you think the AT&T PR engine will be able to spin that into a direct attack, 5 seconds, all it will do is portray iPhone users in the bad bandwidth hog light, that AT&T wants to portray us.
Fake Steve and any AT&T user who thinkgs this is a good idea is frankly an idiot.

I admit that in my area the AT&T network is generally perfectly fine, I'm a lucky one, so I haven't experienced the worst of AT&T, but this is a bad idea on every possible level no matter how angry you are at AT&T.

t3ln3t

@vericenter.com

fake/funny or not ... it's not rocket science!

anyone remember SBC's "project pronto"?
a six billion dollar investment in the network, to deliver DSL to a majority of the customers.
This is EXACTLY the sort of thing at&t needs to do now!
Get all hands on deck, to improve the service customers PAY FOR!

Go back nine years, to Y2K. I recall SBC telling customers, there is no need to pickup your phone and place a test call, at midnight just to make sure the POTS works. You don't need to startup some bandwidth hungry app to bring at&t to it's knees. Just make some calls.
Phone companies oversubscribe the network. Only 1% of those 80 million people are expected to be using the phone at any given time.
Apple's iPhone is groovy, so I could see 10-20% using it at any given time. But at&t is still doing things like "Ma' Bell" of pre-divestiture (1984 breakup of AT&T).

There is a BIG grey area here. Yes! taking down (intentionally) the network is illegal, HOWEVER the government and at&t simply cannot press charges on 1000+ users. That's just silly!
At best, you participate, you will probably be shopping for a new provider and unlocking your iPhone.

I don't do buisness with at&t anymore. They smell bad!
However, if this does come to pass, at&t deserves every ounce of what they get! U.S. customers of at&t deserve AND pay for better service than this!!

I say, go for it! Take at&t down.

johnny_t
Premium
join:2004-03-21
Palo Alto, CA

AT&T

They need to improve their network, they are contributing to their own demise, be it a small % of users. That small % will only become larger & larger as tech grows.

optemino

join:2009-10-13
Patterson, CA

why not

.... even if it wasn't the real steve jobs.... why not.. i'll use data of friday... school is done early and i'm ready to have the largest youtube marathon on my phone! muahahaha
Chaldo

join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI

I am not one of those must users advertised in the story

I have at&t, don't have any problems, no complaints. I know this area is very well for service yet I know people still complain because they get 1 dropped call out of like 9 months, and just hear about the bad image at&t has so they join to OMG MY SERVICE STINKS DROPPED CALLS ALL THE TIME. Ya 1 out of your 9 months, I just don't understand if the service sucked why were they number 1 until Verizon bought Alltel huh? Why are they still 80mil customers top, and I do not take the iPhone for the excuse, there is a lot more other phones selling.

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