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join:2006-02-24 Saint Charles, MO | it is a good thing we made them exempt from local franchises in order for them to "invest" and bring us better service and competition. what a load of crap. | |
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| Re: it is a good Since att network architecture is an rt ever 10k feet (in my area), it looks like my neighbors would get a faster speed. Unless they change something, there will be a lot of pissed off people, including me. The rt is 300ft from my house, I just happen to be on the wrong side of it. Being at 9k+ feet now already causes problems for regular adsl. -- The will of the people is the best law. -Ulysses S Grant | |
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| Re: it is a good said by gaforces :Being at 9k+ feet now already causes problems for regular adsl. It does??? -- Stunod | |
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join:2000-05-31 Valencia, CA | Re: it is a good 9kft can certainly be a problem if you want reliable 6mbps ADSL service. -- Laser eye surgery rocks! I love frickin' laser beams. | |
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| Re: it is a good said by djrobx :9kft can certainly be a problem if you want reliable 6mbps ADSL service. Yea.. if he is on the 6 meg plan.. But it will work much further out.. Somewhere in the range of 18-23kft depending on the line quality -- Stunod | |
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| Re: it is a good That is what I suspect, though, its funny how I can get a good connection for 6 months at a time, then it goes to crap for 2 months. Rinse and repeat. Ive heard every excuse (I think) there is, from my isp's, from ATT, and from ASI, the last communications my isp had from ASI was, "if it keeps happening we will have to lower your dsl plan to the 1-3.5 tier, and of course you wont be charged for the contract change" -- The will of the people is the best law. -Ulysses S Grant | |
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| said by gaforces :Being at 9k+ feet now already causes problems for regular adsl. Such a load of BS- "regular" ADSL works absolutely fine up to 18,000 feet out (with NO RT). | |
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join:2003-11-07 Carol Stream, IL | Re: it is a good Even ADSL2+ will work that far and beyond.. -- Stunod | |
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join:2002-04-07 Santa Cruz, CA | Re: it is a good Just because it works, doesnt mean it works well. At the end of the loop the s/n ratio is on the margin and interference can knock you off the net easier. -- The will of the people is the best law. -Ulysses S Grant | |
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| Re: it is a good said by gaforces :Just because it works, doesnt mean it works well. At the end of the loop the s/n ratio is on the margin and interference can knock you off the net easier. ...not @ 9000 feet on a clean pair which was your initial claim. | |
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join:2002-04-07 Santa Cruz, CA | Re: it is a good Yes at 9k feet, which I still claim. The loop is 10k feet here between the CO and the RT. I am at 9k+. -- The will of the people is the best law. -Ulysses S Grant | |
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| Re: it is a good said by gaforces :Yes at 9k feet, which I still claim. The loop is 10k feet here between the CO and the RT. I am at 9k+. What is your point?? Once you hit the RT you are off DSL and onto the fiber trunk (or what ever means they hooked the RT up)..
At 9K your going to get 6meg or dam near close and you upstream will be just fine.. -- Stunod | |
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| said by Cod :Such a load of BS- "regular" ADSL works absolutely fine up to 18,000 feet out (with NO RT). If it's that simple, why did my DSL downstream rate get cut in half, from 6 Mbps to 3 when I moved from 9000' from the CO to 11,000'? | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus said by Ream0 :
...And It's all about NOTHING! Exactly ... it's all about AT&T offering absolutely nothing innovative. -- Oh I'm so creative and all my programs are so easy to use ... | |
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join:2000-05-31 Valencia, CA | Or worse, deploying something new that's not innovative! -- Laser eye surgery rocks! I love frickin' laser beams. | |
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join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA | Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Like recording 4 shows at once and sending IPTV through your existing landline  | |
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join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA | Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Can pop warner let you stream live video from a cell phone to another user? | |
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| said by djrobx :No, U-verse is not innovative. And the fact that they're being cheap and trying to do it through my old landline is not impressive. I don't believe that being cheap (as in "cheapskate", not as in "inexpensive service") is a factor. My ILEC chooses to pay millions in fines every year, and billions on BS PR ads when things get hot, rather than change the way they do business. That's not miserly, that's reactionary!
The crotchety old farts (of all ages) who run the incumbent telcos are reactionary to the extreme. They'll run their companies into the ground before they'll step into the 20th century. Why shareholders put up with it is beyond me. | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus And I suppose old Time Warner is giving you the dual HD stream via Fiber to the house. Oh wait, aren't they feeding it to you via copper? That little strand of RG 6 
Hmmm looks like copper can be used for multiple HD streams. WTH, BBR makes it look like copper is obsolete. hmmm | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Well they are not on vdsl2 yet or at least yhe RG is still reporting vdsl and not vdsl2. The initial offer is a 25 meg pipe and it is supposed to grow to about 40meg pipe this year. Right now the service works for the vast majority of people as most do not even have HD yet or are demanding 6+meg internet. It may be disappointing to you, but for many it is not. | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus CWH, please. C'mon now. How long will you try to prop this dog of a service up?
6Mb in the face of 150Mb~400Mb?
Uverse's goose, is cooked.
We both know that it's time for the FTTH announcement, don't we? -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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join:2006-05-14 San Antonio, TX | Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Let me know when you start getting those speeds... | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus said by cwh :Let me know when you start getting those speeds... Well CWH, I'm already getting up to 20,000~24,000k.
which is 4x's Uverse right there.
As for the 150Mb speeds, they say they'll start that in 2008 at a cost of only 2 billion to roll out.
ATT REALLY needs to get with the FTTH REAL quick, don't you think? -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Thats great, but most people dont have the need for such and right now there is no killer app demanding such speeds.
In case you have not noticed ATT is spending much money to upgrade its network. For that money a large portion of ATT subscriber network is going to get a significantly more capable network in a short period of time. As customers start demanding more, they can lay more fiber later if needed or deploy faster future dsl products.
If att decided to sell data only vdsl lines, that would probably quiet most of the complaints here.
Should ATT implement a powerboost for tv/internet subscribers. They should and probably will in the future.
Just remember, that 150meg you get with docsis 3.0 you still have share with your neighbors and still probably 2 or more years from widespread deployment.
And just so you know rick, I am still satisfied with u-verse. That speaks volumes about the service I was getting with cable and their "mature" technology. | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus But the way I see it, this is kind of like computers and most computer peripherals are. Whether someone NEEDS it seems to not really be the point when people are shopping for something.
Will you go out today and buy a pentium 800mhz? It's certainly plenty fast for surfing and emailing.
Of course not. You'd want the latest machines and accessories, right?
If AT&T is in the business of uverse and 6Mb speeds..and already Comcast and others are at 20Mb w/ pB..and in a year from now that's 5 x's that..who is going to want uverse?
See my point? Uverse just became that pentium 800mhz.
It might have been fine for many things..but compared to whats available..it's just viewed as very obsolete.
That is what AT&T is up against I think.
And, you're right. Perhaps just opening up uverse for HSI can buy them some time. But that isn't their game plan as you know. They want to be in the TV and triple play business.
I could be wrong but I seriously think that soon they'll drop what they're doing and go with FTTH.
Enough is enough with this whole uverse thing.
It's already outdated..and barely out. As I warned about for a year now. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Speed is only one part of the package. I could get 10/1 service from TW right now, but that would cost me more than twice as much as am paying for 3/1 and in my experience road runner is far less reliable than what ATT is offering. And the tech support for RR is awful, trust me I know. And yes I dropped down from 6/1 to 3/1 because I had better things to spend my money on.
But to point the obvious point in cpu analogy that 800mhz is slow. It may be slow, but is more than enough for most people. And that is my point, u-verse is going to be enough to satisfy the masses and can be upgraded as needed.
And you have been saying soon they will drop u-verse for about a year now, maybe one day you will be right but it looks like the u-verse just keeps expanding. | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Well, I guess the numbers are speaking for themselves these days. Whether it's 20,000 out of a million homes or 3 million passed, any way you slice it, it looks very bad.
And, I'd have to disagree that i've been saying for a year now that they'd switch to FTTH. I've been saying they SHOULD do it if they wanted to have any kind of a future. And, with these subscriber numbers..it looks like i've been right.
I NOW Think though that they WILL switch, and do so fairly soon.
We'll see though.
And again, while you seem to think of their service as being less expensive..it really isn't. You pay less, because you get less. 25 bucks for 3MB or 35 for 6Mb..on their dsl plans when you factor in the phone line, isn't cheap in comparison to 20MB w/ pB comcast for 42.95. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Rick give then more than 1/8 of a year to sign up all the people they have started marketing too. If they grab the same 10-15% market share than fios gets, it will have been a very smart investment.
I agree about paying less and getting less. I am getting less downtime(not enough to count in the last year) and much less frustration now that I dont have to deal with incompetent technical support. I could pay less and get less with TW as well, but the last time I checked their budget tier was 384/384 for 20/month. DSL has that beat easily.
In this market premium RR is 10/1 fir 54/month, standard is 7/384 for 45/month. So 6/1 for 40/month is a heck of a deal if you ask me.
But overall i am still getting more and paying less. My bill is 30-40/month less than it was with TW. If I would had to add the extra preimium channels or the extra set boxes, my tw bill would have been even larger. It is a very good deal overall. | |
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| Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus said by cwh :Rick give then more than 1/8 of a year to sign up all the people they have started marketing too. If they grab the same 10-15% market share than fios gets, it will have been a very smart investment. I agree about paying less and getting less. I am getting less downtime(not enough to count in the last year) and much less frustration now that I dont have to deal with incompetent technical support. I could pay less and get less with TW as well, but the last time I checked their budget tier was 384/384 for 20/month. DSL has that beat easily. In this market premium RR is 10/1 fir 54/month, standard is 7/384 for 45/month. So 6/1 for 40/month is a heck of a deal if you ask me. But overall i am still getting more and paying less. My bill is 30-40/month less than it was with TW. If I would had to add the extra preimium channels or the extra set boxes, my tw bill would have been even larger. It is a very good deal overall. Should I even bother to point out all the holes in this retarted post? Jesus Christ.
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join:2006-05-14 San Antonio, TX | Re: The BBR Newsdesk stirring up a ruckus Go ahead and point them out. There are no arguments in this post, just my personal experience with TW and u-verse.
But I guess you think I should pay more and get less for a service that proved itself to less reliable. | |
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join:2000-09-29 Southfield, MI | Comcast rips on them enough. Now here comes this site. Poor ATT can not catch a break.
They can brag about getting the most money for the least ammount of bandwidth. I guess the investors will like that. | |
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| Are we supposed to be impressed? Wow, let me see if I get this right. IF I lived within spitting distance of one of these DSLAMs in a U-Verse world, I could get 6Mbps internet AND 1 HD stream AND 2 SD streams, all at the same time?
Wow.
I had 6Mbps from cable in 2003. I can also watch however many HD "streams" I want, I've got 2 going now..
Am I supposed to be impressed by this? -- "Don't steal. The government hates competition." | |
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join:2006-01-28 Cedar Park, TX | Re: Are we supposed to be impressed? It's worse....
I have FTTP and I still only get 6MB. Worse, it's 6MB on an ATM backend so I really only get 5MB while the U-Verse guys get true 6MB because they are IP all the way through. | |
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  pinot noir Premium join:2007-04-23 Columbus, OH | Discount DSL Provider Like the Ars Technica article mentions, maybe AT&T's goal is to just be the cheap discount dsl provider, for those who just use the internet to check emails and read an occasional news headline. | |
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| Hey now I'm sure plenty of people here have taken some pain and suffering from AT&T, its only fair to give a little back. If companies treated their customers a little better, we wouldn't be so hard on them. I actually recommend Comcast to anyone in my area, because they've been reliable for me. But someone who was told to cut back on their usage, and did, but still got cut off anyways, is going to be mad.
AT&T argues that network neutrality isn't possible with the network we have, while Verizon and Comcast actually do something about improving the network. | |
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| If I could I would I would get Fios
Well i live in att land and i wish i could get fios here no luck for the time being but dam cable is looking good to bad I stick with dsl to host my site from home. i would love att to go ftth but its not happening soon. as i have said in the past our greatest problem with broad band in this country is we are to big and overly regulated. oh well i can wait just a little while longer but cable keeps looking better. with the increased bandwidth i could just move my server to a data center and spend more and have a blazing connection. | |
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join:2001-04-30 Lawrenceville, GA | Re: If I could I would I would get Fios I have 1.5 IFITL from AT&T. That is it. Who knows when I'll get an upgrade. It's pathetic.
The other option is Charter, and they stink. They charge $53 for 3Mb. | |
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join:2007-05-06 Port Orange, FL | Re: If I could I would I would get Fios 1.5/1.5 or 1.5/256? | |
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join:2001-04-30 Lawrenceville, GA | Re: If I could I would I would get Fios You wish. It is 1.5/256. | |
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| Comcast has my vote too! Comcast blows the doors off Antiquated Telephone & Television.
I just uploaded a 50 Meg video this morning and saw close to to 2Mb for the entire upload. Downloads are running consistantly at 16Mb. HDTV channels galore, the only limit being the number of televisions you own.
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join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA | A Pulitzer Prize in journalism should be given for this piece of work....
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| AT&T I switched to AT&T from comcast. Comcast service was very unreliable, and there service tech just wanted to get in and out. Speed is not the only thing when it comes to internet. What about price and reliability??? AT&T just dropped my bill down again, $50 for unlimited phone and pro dsl (3down 512 up)+tax of course. More then enough speed for me and when I called comcast to see if they could meet or beet the price, yes they were higher and the phones sales person was so convincing "why go anywhere else comcast is the superior company". Price, value and reliability for me. I will be staying with ATT. | |
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| Re: AT&T Comcast in my area works fine AS LONG AS NO ONE ELSE IS ONLINE! Even my wireless ATT DSL with 1314kbps down and 220 up is often faster than my friends with cable. What we need is FTTH so we can get TRUE high speed access. We also need a policy that guarantees the speeds that we are paying for. For some ideas check out www.speedmatters.org | |
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| Re: AT&T I tried Comcrap for 3 months, had it running on 1 computer and AT&T DSL running on the other 3, AT&T beat them hands down. Both computers were running VPM and Citrex, the computer running on Comcrat would rrop the connection upto 10 times a day, the DSL stayed solid. swaped the DSL and Cable the the Dropping followed. also I get 6.4M down on DSL and 5.2M down on Comcrap (both are 6M packages). In the Atlants area the had a story on Comcraps cap and at the end of the story they were saying that by klate summer the DSL price will be dripping and by years end the speed will be increasing | |
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