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AT&T Offers Update On 7.2 Mbps HSPA
First up: Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles and Miami
by Karl Bode Wednesday 09-Sep-2009 tags: business · wireless · alternatives · telco · networking
AT&T dropped us a line this morning to provide an update on the company's plan to upgrade their wireless network to 7.2 Mbps HSPA, which, as the name suggests, would increase AT&T's downstream HSDPA service to 7.2 Mbps. Announced back in May, the upgrade complements AT&T's upstream HSUPA upgrades completed in 2007, which boosted upstream speeds on their wireless network to between 500 kbps and 800 kbps. In addition to the speed bump, AT&T's doubling the wireless spectrum dedicated to 3G in most of the company's metropolitan markets.

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"Supporting this HSPA 7.2 initiative is AT&T’s ongoing deployment of additional backhaul capacity to cell sites," says AT&T. "These backhaul connections add critical capacity to the network to support today’s unprecedented growth in mobile data traffic as well as the future demands of next-generation 4G networks."

AT&T tells us the company will begin deployment of HSPA 7.2 in six major U.S. cities, including Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles and Miami, with initial service availability expected in these markets before the end of 2009. AT&T claims HSPA 7.2 should be available in 25 of AT&T's 30 largest markets by the end of 2010, and across 90 percent of its 3G network footprint by the end of 2011.

As AT&T consumers (particularly in New York and San Francisco) have made clear, the upgrades are overdue, and six cities by year's end may not be enough of an olive branch to placate the annoyed throngs. AT&T leads the world in terms of total number of HSDPA customers, the telecom giant serving 28.6 million HSPA customers, which accounts for 21% of all HSPA subscriptions worldwide. While AT&T is just getting to 7.2 Mbps upgrades, smaller carriers (like Rogers and Vodafone Portugal) are already pushing the technology toward the 20 Mbps mark.

According to AT&T, the company hopes to milk HSPA technology for a few more years, before beginning the migration to faster LTE technology. AT&T will begin trials in 2010, with initial deployment in 2011. This is in contrast to Verizon, who is already engaged in trials, will have 30 LTE markets launched in 2010, and hopes to have all of their markets upgraded by 2014.

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BF69
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Who cares?

"AT&T claims HSPA 7.2 should be available in 25 of AT&T's 30 largest markets by the end of 2010, and across 90 percent of its 3G network footprint by the end of 2011."

90% of nothing is still nothing. Try increasing your 3G area before offering faster speeds elsewhere. Even sprint has more 3G than at&t and that's just sad.
SyNiSt3r

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Morristown, TN

Amen! BF69

Why dont you drop them a line and ask them what about the people in Tn (oh wait, Thats not a major market we dont have to upgrade their sh*t) when they are going to get 3g to our area?
We are still on Edge and its slower than the steam off a pile of male bovine droppings.
I appreciate them upgrading their networks but lets not forget the little people. We need loving too.

Matt
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Re: Amen! BF69

said by SyNiSt3r:

Why dont you drop them a line and ask them what about the people in Tn (oh wait, Thats not a major market we dont have to upgrade their sh*t) when they are going to get 3g to our area?
We are still on Edge and its slower than the steam off a pile of male bovine droppings.
I appreciate them upgrading their networks but lets not forget the little people. We need loving too.
The more and more I travel around I really am shocked at how little 3G AT&T has deployed. It's no wonder they won't provide a 3G coverage map, but rather make you choose a city. I really took for granted how widespread EVDO coverage was, but now that I've had AT&T for about a year, it's clear that we are a CDMA country. GSM is terrible here.
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Re: Amen! BF69

There is a detailed 3G coverage map right on their website....

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Re: Amen! BF69

said by beaups:

There is a detailed 3G coverage map right on their website....
Please, pull it up for me or link me to it.
clickie

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Re: Amen! BF69

Are you kidding? You can't find your way to www.attwireless.com and search for "coverage map"? It's right at the top of the page.

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Re: Amen! BF69

said by clickie:

Are you kidding? You can't find your way to www.attwireless.com and search for "coverage map"? It's right at the top of the page.
Please go pull up a country-wide 3G map. You can't, you have to pull up 3G coverage by city. The map you're referring to is EDGE, not 3G.

Matt
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Re: Amen! BF69

I did find this at Verizon wireless: »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/Cove···age+maps

It's a comparison of AT&T's 3G versus Verizon's. It's fall down laughable.

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Re: Amen! BF69

said by Matt:

I did find this at Verizon wireless: »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/Cove···age+maps

It's a comparison of AT&T's 3G versus Verizon's. It's fall down laughable.
wait--that map is confusing. It is comparing Verizon wireless broadband to AT&T HSPA? Also, Nebraska has Verizon wireless broadband 3g speeds?

Matt
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Re: Amen! BF69

said by morbo:

said by Matt:

I did find this at Verizon wireless: »www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/Cove···age+maps

It's a comparison of AT&T's 3G versus Verizon's. It's fall down laughable.
wait--that map is confusing. It is comparing Verizon wireless broadband to AT&T HSPA? Also, Nebraska has Verizon wireless broadband 3g speeds?
The yellow is Verizon 3G, the orange is AT&T 3G, the red is HSPA.

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Re: Amen! BF69

the orange is the ATT + VZW 3g overlap.

The red is ATT 3g only. (where VZW does *not* have 3g)

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said by morbo:

Also, Nebraska has Verizon wireless broadband 3g speeds?
Yep, the Alltel purchase opened up EVDO for VZW in Nebraska and Kansas.
itguy05

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quote:
It's a comparison of AT&T's 3G versus Verizon's. It's fall down laughable.
And you think Verizon is going to paint an accurate picture of their competition on their website?

Best best is to look at VZW's Mobile Broadband vs AT&T 3G....

Personally, I find VZW is not all that it's cooked up to be.

Matt
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Re: Amen! BF69

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Verizon 3G
said by itguy05:

quote:
It's a comparison of AT&T's 3G versus Verizon's. It's fall down laughable.
And you think Verizon is going to paint an accurate picture of their competition on their website?

Best best is to look at VZW's Mobile Broadband vs AT&T 3G....

Personally, I find VZW is not all that it's cooked up to be.
I did. Their map makes AT&T's 3G map look silly.
itguy05

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Re: Amen! BF69

quote:
I did. Their map makes AT&T's 3G map look silly.
Again, From Verizon's website. Do you really think they are going to paint an accurate picture of their competition? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.

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Re: Amen! BF69

said by itguy05:

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I did. Their map makes AT&T's 3G map look silly.
Again, From Verizon's website. Do you really think they are going to paint an accurate picture of their competition? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.
Please compare the pictures from AT&T's own website that I linked. It matches what Verizon has in orange almost exactly.
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If they didn't, AT&T would sue them.

Compare on your own if you like. Verizon's map of their own coverage is largely accurate. AT&T's is as well, though 3G != a good connection.

Hands down Verizon wins.

thehyper1
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said by Matt:

Please go pull up a country-wide 3G map. You can't, you have to pull up 3G coverage by city. The map you're referring to is EDGE, not 3G.
Matt, just go pull up the 3G coverage map for the nearest city to you. Then click "zoom out" as many times as you like until you see the whole country. Cool?

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Matt
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Re: Amen! BF69


AT&T 3G Coverage in Blue
said by thehyper1:

said by Matt:

Please go pull up a country-wide 3G map. You can't, you have to pull up 3G coverage by city. The map you're referring to is EDGE, not 3G.
Matt, just go pull up the 3G coverage map for the nearest city to you. Then click "zoom out" as many times as you like until you see the whole country. Cool?
Hey, that does work! That's pretty shady to bury that option rather than just giving you the option on the primary map.

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Re: Amen! BF69

I think that most people looking for coverage would be interested mostly in their area where they live. I would guess that's why they went to a city view vs general coverage. It looks like they changed it a few weeks ago.

Matt
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Re: Amen! BF69

said by ptrowski:

I think that most people looking for coverage would be interested mostly in their area where they live. I would guess that's why they went to a city view vs general coverage. It looks like they changed it a few weeks ago.
Perhaps, but I think it's because their 3G coverage is abysmal.

And it hasn't been changed only a few weeks ago. I remember looking for 3G coverage when I switched to AT&T about a year ago and the set up was the same. I just don't remember being able to scroll out after choosing your city.

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Re: Amen! BF69

said by Matt:

said by ptrowski:

I think that most people looking for coverage would be interested mostly in their area where they live. I would guess that's why they went to a city view vs general coverage. It looks like they changed it a few weeks ago.
Perhaps, but I think it's because their 3G coverage is abysmal.

And it hasn't been changed only a few weeks ago. I remember looking for 3G coverage when I switched to AT&T about a year ago and the set up was the same. I just don't remember being able to scroll out after choosing your city.
I was just going by the fact it said updated on 8/21/09. IF I travel mainly around New England say 85-90% of the year, that would be where I am going to be concerned about. While it's great is say Tempe AZ has 3G service generally people are looking out for themselves.
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Of course it is, because they don't want to admit they have crummy coverage anyway, let alone 3G.

However, I will say that when you zoom to street level, it does seem very accurate. Verizon seems to add about 6dB to their map that isn't there in real life.
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Re: Amen! BF69

6db? Nah, you just have a crappy phone

aztecnology
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Thanks for blowing out the margins...

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Re: Amen! BF69

said by aztecnology:

Thanks for blowing out the margins...
You can thank DSLR for that, I didn't inline the image.

aztecnology
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Re: Amen! BF69

Guilty by association...

en102
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You can blame AT&T for that one... 3G viewing isn't available at the complete national level.. have to zoom in at least once to see 3g and/or roaming coverage.
At least coverage in California is good.
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clickie

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Select your zip code. Let the map come up, click the 3G. Zoom out.

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said by Matt:

Please go pull up a country-wide 3G map. You can't, you have to pull up 3G coverage by city. The map you're referring to is EDGE, not 3G.
You're wrong. All you have to do is click the zoom button once on the data map and you can see the overall 3G coverage.
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said by SyNiSt3r:

Why dont you drop them a line and ask them what about the people in Tn (oh wait, Thats not a major market we dont have to upgrade their sh*t) when they are going to get 3g to our area?
We are still on Edge and its slower than the steam off a pile of male bovine droppings.
I appreciate them upgrading their networks but lets not forget the little people. We need loving too.
Geeze - I live 40 miles north of NY City and dont have 3G coverage...
BB_Hunter

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Re: Who cares?

said by BF69:

"AT&T claims HSPA 7.2 should be available in 25 of AT&T's 30 largest markets by the end of 2010, and across 90 percent of its 3G network footprint by the end of 2011."

90% of nothing is still nothing. Try increasing your 3G area before offering faster speeds elsewhere. Even sprint has more 3G than at&t and that's just sad.
That was the same exact thing I was thinking! 3G is about 15 miles from my location and I will say when I'm in a 3G area around me I get awesome speeds ranging from 2.1-2.6Mbps down and around 200Kbps up.

I was going to sell my 3G and get a 3G {S} but then I got to thinking. I'm just going to wait and see if my area even gets 3G before my contract is up in May. If it doesn't I'm probably going to say the hell with it drop my iPhone and go with Verizon. The phone is awesome but I feel like I miss to much with the slow edge network.

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6 cities...pathetic

AT&T has known for sometime that the 3GS was coming out. When they say they're working at a furious rate to meet data demand one would think they would have more than 6 cities online by the end of the year. AT&T is really a big steaming pile of fail.

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I can wait.

The network is all ready fast here in KC, this is a normal speedtest on my iPhone.
»www.speedtest.net/iphone/12826277.png

But when tethering hits, upto 7.2Mbps would be nice.

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Pfft..

AT&T is a damn joke. They should be spending more time covering more 3G areas than deploying faster HSPA. Out here in Branson, MO it's sad that Sprint is pushing EVDO and AT&T is still sitting on Edge. Considering how many terrorists cough cough tourists visit this town a year it should have Edge..
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Re: Pfft..

Ha Ha Ha

Yeah like those terrorist tourist are iPhone card carriers. Really grandmas and country folk as a demographic are not iPhone fan boys or girls. A portion don't even use the Internet.
lrymal

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What's the point?!

We can't get cell coverage of any consequence and AT&T (my carrier) has stopped partnering with the other towers in my area.

I wish they'd prop up what they have and get this stuff working for everyone who they claim they have coverage.
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Harumph

I wish the United States would create mandates about what % of the US the carriers must cover.

In Sweden the government requires that carriers cover at least 99% of the territory, including the ultra low-density territories in the northern half of the country.

Of course the US is business-friendly compared to the rest of the world.

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Yes. That is the only significant difference between the United States (population 307 million, approximately 3.8 million square miles) and Sweden (population 9 million, 173,000 square miles).

(eye roll)

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Re: Harumph

said by Flibbetigibb :

Yes. That is the only significant difference between the United States (population 307 million, approximately 3.8 million square miles) and Sweden (population 9 million, 173,000 square miles).

(eye roll)
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Sprint kicks the crap outta AT&T

at least in Illinois it does. I could drive from Chicago to St. Louis and always have EVDO but with AT&T (my current provider) I get it only in Chicago and its suburbs, Springfield area and St. Louis area.
The guy mentioning slow Edge in Branson, MO is not kidding. I was in the Lake of the Ozarks a couple weeks ago and the edge internet wouldn't even load half the time. although my Iphone always showed "full bars"
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Re: Sprint kicks the crap outta AT&T

said by fancydancer:

at least in Illinois it does. I could drive from Chicago to St. Louis and always have EVDO but with AT&T (my current provider) I get it only in Chicago and its suburbs, Springfield area and St. Louis area.
The guy mentioning slow Edge in Branson, MO is not kidding. I was in the Lake of the Ozarks a couple weeks ago and the edge internet wouldn't even load half the time. although my Iphone always showed "full bars"
Yup, half the time it doesn't even load correctly even with FULL bars. They did finally get 3G in Springfield, MO but still Brnson, MO is supposed to be the Music Capital so they say LOL.
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Re: Sprint kicks the crap outta AT&T

FYI, Jefferson City was the only city that had 3G from Springfield, IL to Lake of Ozarks. Seems to me they want to keep the capital cities happy with all the gubermint workers there! LOL.
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It's up & running already!

Fresno, CA area has been lucky to be one of the test markets for about a month now. Additional of 850 band has made signal strength remarkable. Consistent speed test of 2.5 - 3 mbps down and .6 - 1.2 mbps up. According to local inside ATT contact, more to come once tests are complete.
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Re: It's up & running already!

So we can expect to see how much of the quoted 7.2 MB speed? Let me guess, 7.2MB down is only possible in a lab somewhere? What is the normal 3G speed? I'm getting almost 2MB down in the middle of the night in Houston, I wonder if this is going to as good as it gets?

en102
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Re: It's up & running already!

It would probably depend on what kind of device you're using.
An iPhone may not have enough cpu / power to always make full use out of a 7.2Mbps stream, while a laptop may hit a much better rate (~4-6Mbps?).
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Re: It's up & running already!

The iPhone can handle 7 Mbps over WiFi...and I'm talking about my original EDGE-powered model. 7.2 is very doable on the 3GS, however that 7.2 Mbps has to be shared with everyone on that slice of spectrum. So I'd predict 4 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up on the new 7.2 network, tops.

Faster than EvDO (1-2.2 Mbps down, 300-800 kbps up) however MUCH slower than WiMAX, which appears to be rolling out quicker than AT&T's 7.2 upgrade.

en102
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Re: It's up & running already!

True on the WiMax... just need some devices and actual cities to support it. Looks like its mostly rural areas currently (many don't have much competition, and need a decent broadband carrier anyways!), not to mention... no handsets.

While the device may support 7.2Mbps, it doesn't mean that the device can always use the data thats coming in at 7.2Mbps and do something with it. E.g. Data rendering of a website won't make good use of 7.2Mbps. Streaming video may, but is probably not going to be 7.2Mbps quality. The only thing that could really get 7.2Mbps (theoretically) is currently a tethered device. I'd also expect the 4Mbps range to be typical of a handheld, probably a bit better on a USB modem.
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Who Cares ??

AT&T is so far behind on solutions. Like most others I would like to have 3G first.
Where is AT&T Femtocell?
Where is AT&T MiFi?
Chaldo

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Detroit is left out once again

ahhhhhh man this market is always left out of everything!!! When I read major cities I always expect Detroit to be listed as one, apparently I been getting unlucky for a while....

en102
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Re: Detroit is left out once again

Detroit had 3G back in the old AT&T Wireless days. Places like L.A. had to wait until 2006 for anything... and even then it was horrible until this past year.
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Re: Detroit is left out once again

Looks like your area is right in the 'no coverage to roaming area' yuck.

I had decent coverage in the UP (actually in Canada, connecting back to AT&T in Drummond Island, MI)
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How about.

How about offering a faster than 6mb/768 package for us ADSL users that have the capability to handle it?

A 9mb/1mb would be great at say about $35-40/mo, Or even offer 18dn/2 up @ say $70-75/mo.

???
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Re: How about.

I saw the headline that AT&T unveils new 7.2mbps speed only to be shocked it's for wireless and not for DSL.

I Use Dial

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AT&T doesn't have 3G Speeds

Driving down the I-5 corridor in California there are towers like every mile, my Bold indicates a few bars 3G, but it can't play a 64 kbps 3GPP stream.

I get dropped calls in the middle of San Jose and San Francisco when the phone indicates 5 bars 3G.

Downloading simple pure HTML pages only 4 KB in size often takes 10 seconds or more.

I am so disappointed AT&T. After this contract is up I'm switching to Verizon. I've actually been with AT&T for over four years, but ever since the stupid iPhone got really huge call quality has been crappier than ever. I got the Bold to save on internet charges at hotels, but it turns out that the 3G at AT&T is a total joke, or maybe the joke's on me.
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Ok so sprint 4G speed is 3-6 Mbps... and att is 7.2 Mbps... Does that look like att is a little faster than Sprint? Cuz att just upgrade their HSDPA?

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