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| Sabotagee? That's di uh bio lical! Hmm.
I know there is a buried cable near a railbed a few miles away. How do I know this? Aside from the Telephone Buried Cable Warning signs, a farmer with a backhoe was taking a shortcut to his other field along the dormant tracks.
15 minutes later, a cop and three vans show up (phone trucks actually).
Now he didn't dig or anything. But I suspect there was some sort of "device" that alerted someone...
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tubbynet
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1 edit | Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? said by GOLFnSUN  :Potential terrorist walk thru for more widespread damage planned against US infrastructure? ... ... ... So I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that was just pure vandalism. mmmm, nothing like paleo-con wet dreams. should we bomb iran now?
come on, tk. i would think given you incredible anti-union bias that you would *jump* at the chance to blame them...oh wait, i forgot which party was in office. obviously they heard gitmo was closed 
nothing more than vandalism. someone trying to get their way and making sure that fiber was cut to make the maximum impact.
selfish, but vandalism nonetheless.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? Such a tough decision.
A has happened before. B has never happened before.
It's just so hard to tell which one is plausible.
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1 edit | I'm beginning to suspect that the person behind the TKJunkMail moniker is really Dick "WMD" Cheney. It's all starting to make sense now... | |
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| Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? Yep, neo-cons er.. cons in general are placing all their chips on an attack.
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| Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? said by pleasiasarus :Yep, neo-cons er.. cons in general are placing all their chips on an attack. It is all they have ... sadly. They are playing politics. If there is no attack and they did nothing but cry that attack was imminent for four years, they will say left overs from bush kept us safe. If some kind of attack does happen, they will say Obama ruined the safety of this country and is directly responsible for it. | |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? Exactly. | |
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| said by insomniac84 :said by pleasiasarus :Yep, neo-cons er.. cons in general are placing all their chips on an attack. It is all they have ... sadly. They are playing politics. If there is no attack and they did nothing but cry that attack was imminent for four years, they will say left overs from bush kept us safe. If some kind of attack does happen, they will say Obama ruined the safety of this country and is directly responsible for it. Bush planted the bombs in the WTC and blew up the levies in New Orleans according to the liberals. | |
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| said by digitalfreak :I'm beginning to suspect that the person behind the TKJunkMail moniker is really Dick "WMD" Cheney. It's all starting to make sense now... I think his username is very appropriate. He's about as useful and welcome as junk mail. | |
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| Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? Few people have the knowledge... those people become valuable to 'terrorists'. They're never seen as valuable to corporations (all employees are liabilities except sales and lawyers as seen by CEO's/Wall Street)
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Washington, DC | Any proof to support this? Or is this just some paranoid imagining? What next, terrorists are responsible for clogging American toilets? | |
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| Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? said by puck0114 :Any proof to support this? Or is this just some paranoid imagining? What next, terrorists are responsible for clogging American toilets? My post was made as supposition. His post was made as if it was a fact.
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Washington, DC | Your supposition sounds a lot like fear-mongering. I think recent history has shown that fear-mongering is rarely useful. | |
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| Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? said by GOLFnSUN :said by puck0114 :Your supposition sounds a lot like fear-mongering. I think recent history has shown that fear-mongering is rarely useful. » www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop···ers.htmlBut terrorist cells couldn't possibly be in the U.S., right? but an easter bombing in the uk (where lives would have been lost) is related to the cutting of a fiber optic cable in silicon valley how?
grasping at straws again, tk....
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Washington, DC | Re: Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks?? You beat me to it.
Seriously, when people start living their lives in so much fear that every little thing sounds like a terrorist plot, the terrorists have truly won. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| Nice hogwash. That is pure FUD. Even if our crucial systems are hooked up to the internet for anyone to break into, this isn't 24. An outside hacker can't override people physically in the building. Nor can he prevent the connection from being cut off to stop them.
From what I have heard(I think maybe on an NPR interview with some top official) the maximum damage a hacker could do is turn the power off. The outage would last for minutes since the people physically there can turn it on and cut off out side access. Then of course once the first station is hit, the rest would cut off their outside access and therefore this crazy terrorist country wide way of life ending plot becomes a 5 minutes black out in one single power station within the entire country. Clearly, it's time to round up the Chinese and send them all to Guantanamo. We could never ever survive such a plot. | |
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| said by puck0114 :I think recent history has shown that fear-mongering is rarely useful. I disagree, if anything the past 8 years have shown how useful fear-mongering really is. Sure, it's wearing off FOR NOW, but just wait 10 years and do it again and you'll be able to use it to get all sorts of laws passed again. | |
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tshirt
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1 edit | They are all terrorist's (?) foreign or domestic
in fact the local guys are somewhat scarier, "just doing it for america", have people forgotten Mcvay already? | |
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Alexandria, VA | I'm sure the ongoing negotiations have absolutely nothing to do with this incident. To paraphrase Clausawitz, "War is diplomacy by other means."
A dumb tactic, but one that has been used before. | |
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join:2001-10-02
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| Re: Labor Negotiations said by myokitis :I'm sure the ongoing negotiations have absolutely nothing to do with this incident. To paraphrase Clausawitz, "War is diplomacy by other means." A dumb tactic, but one that has been used before. Diplomacy: The art of saying "Nice Doggy" until you can find a big rock. | |
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| Re: Labor Negotiations said by dentman42 :Diplomacy: The art of saying "Nice Doggy" until you can find a big rock. Diplomacy: The misguided idea that humans are rational beings who can get along with eachother. | |
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You are 100% wrong but feel free to run wild with your dillusion. | |
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K Patterson
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Columbus, OH | Consequences. I have no idea who did this.
I would hope, that justice would be equally blind and apply the same penalty regardless of the perpetrator. It carries big-time pena;ties in the federal system. | |
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xpkranger
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| FUD Alert! Of course our infrastructure is vulnerable! That's the inherent nature of any infrastructure. You do due diligence in hardening the really weak points in the infrastructure against reasonable threats (idiots in backhoes, teenagers climbing transmission pylons, etc...) but how do you protect against persons bent on intentional damage to the hundreds of thousands of miles of fiber, copper, power lines, water lines, gas lines & other things that are right out in the open? The short answer is you can't. Anyone who wants to can take out many of these things with a spare five minutes and a hacksaw or an old junker car. I mean their targets are all very clearly marked! As for the people who cut this cable, what they did was clearly wrong and endangered peoples lives (interrupted 911 service) and they should be strung up if they can be caught. OTOH, I'm sure they could have made the damage much worse had they chosen to do so.
So what can you do? Weld every manhole cover shut? Put concertina wire around every power pylon? Build reinforced concrete bunkers at every pipeline junction? No, it would simply make all of their products unaffordable. Look at what happens to infrastructure in countries where you have a small determined force that tries to disrupt the infrastructure, specifically Nigeria & Iraq.
It's a societal issue IMHO. You have to make it so that it's not worth the risk for someone to intentionally damage the infrastructure. Make the penalty a mandatory 25 year sentence. Plus parents need to do a better job instilling respect for other peoples property. There is no easy fix. There isn't enough money to protect against all the whack jobs. 99.9999% of the people realize enough of this to know they shouldn't go messing around with the infrastructure. But then there's that one person who thinks they can justify it somehow. Do we just chalk it up to acceptable losses and move on? I don't know the answer.
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| Re: FUD Alert! AT&T and VZ both bill Santa Clara and Santa Cruz counties for 99.999% 911 service levels. Their justification for the high prices is the 911 attachment points are on a fiber RING of fast recovery. What happened to the 5 minute recovery????? Or maybe they don't have / provide the facilities they are billing for. | |
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| Re: FUD Alert! said by what ring :
AT&T and VZ both bill Santa Clara and Santa Cruz counties for 99.999% 911 service levels. Their justification for the high prices is the 911 attachment points are on a fiber RING of fast recovery. What happened to the 5 minute recovery????? Or maybe they don't have / provide the facilities they are billing for.
Too cheap for SONET RINGs, they just use off the shelf fiber ethernet with no backups. | |
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| Too many tea parties... They can't win unless the terreristss win (or by pointing out that cops getting killed is a good reason to have guns).
The most likely sensible answer is some morons were making preps to steal some copper but then you have those that dipped more than their sacs at the tea party.
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join:2004-04-24
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| no coincidence... AT&T is back in the thick of expired labor contracts and they wonder why a major fiber cable was cut in California?
Hmmm...?
When companies such as AT&T try to find ways to save on construction costs.. you won't find the big inflatable RAT hanging out AT&T corporate headquarters.. but you will find REALLY EXPENSIVE junctions of fiber transmission lines CUT very close to the points where you have to run a whole bundle of new cables which take overtime man hours and costs the company almost as much as they should have spent being fair to the workers in the first place... same old story! They might try to get away with cheap labor down in Bell South territory.. but that won't fly in California.. They just don't realize what they bought into when they took over the leftovers from Verizon's aquisition of a vast geography of California and points west.
There are way too many people who know precisely where to hurt the infrastructure when the company does bad by it's employees. So, unless they're prepared to install closed circuit cameras along the thousands of miles of fiber optic cable.. this will happen time and again that AT&T strays from the path of doing the right thing. | |
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mleland
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| Updated information for those who think this was a vandal I am continually amazed at the lack of ability to read and comprehend information by some who post here.
See »www.ktvu.com/news/19136928/detail.html
You will notice in the first paragraph that authorities already believe it was an inside job(or someone with inside info). Yes the lines are marked above ground to keep people from digging where they shouldn't.
Farther down the article you will find that 4 different locations were cut in a 4 hours period. I would like to hear what those who commented "ohh it is just a vandal\neo-con" have to say now.
What are the odds of 4 major cuts in 4 hours in a generally small geographic area? | |
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fiber_man
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| Re: Updated information for those who think this was a vandal From everything I have read it was 8 cables cut at two locations only. 6 cables were AT&T's and one was Sprint's. These cables have several strenght members and a metal shield around a center core tube. They will be found in time. That is a lot of money for info.
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Decatur, GA | Who cut the cable in Atlanta? There's a neighborhood in Atlanta who has been 8 days without phone service due to an AT&T cable cut. I wonder if there's a conspiracy against them. | |
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1 edit | Unlikely it's vandalism More likely done to cover some other illegal activity involving altering data files, access, banks etc. You know, like what's been part of the plot-line in several films. | |
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San Jose police and the FBI are eager to track down the one responsible. The person opened a manhole cover, climbed 10 feet down into the hole, stood in four feet of water, and started sawing lines belonging to AT&T and shared with Verizon.
"You have to know what you're doing. Clearly, these are heavy pieces of equipment to lift off. There's a particular tool you use to do so," said AT&T spokesperson John Britton. "So whoever did it has access to that tool."
Sources tell ABC7 that whoever cut those cables also had expertise, leaving difficult and extensive damage behind. Each cable contains 360 fiber optic strands and each strand with the ability to carry 300 to 400 phone calls.
»abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio···=6754946
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Springfield, MO | It was one of my ex-wives! They were digging for more dirt on me and accidentally cut the cable.
Where's that reward? | |
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| Re: It was one of my ex-wives! Anybody want to bet that Time Warner egged the saboteurs on? After all, if the lines were shared with Verizon, that's an attack on FIOS. Without FIOS, TW could implement their caps EVERYWHERE!  | |
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| Conspiracy Theorist I'm going to play conspiracy theorist here:
What if AT&T themselves hired goons to do the "dirty work". Just to make the union look bad. Knowing full well they'll never have to pay a reward. HMMMM.
Realistically, no one knows.
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1 edit | Re: Conspiracy Theorist Goons? I think it was managers practicing to take over the work of the skilled craftsman........and doing their usual fine work.
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| Maybe it was someone who lost their job.. That could be a possibilty I would think
I remember an article in the early 2000's when a Novell admin took all the tape backup to his house and erase all of them and the erased all the info on the server itself. They caught him but too late, I think the company went bankrupt. He did it because he was not appreciated or similar.
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NickD
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| Uh oh I remember a train crash in Baltimore in 2001 or so caused Baltimore to be disconnected from the Internet, and most Internet traffic around the world to be slowed down because the damaged fiber optic cables carried a lot of traffic.
A car crashing in just the right place can cause a traffic jam on the Internet in addition to the traffic jam on the roads. | |
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anymous
@comcast.net | Hacksaw You can beleve whoever you want did it. Anyone that has worked in fiber would tell you a good pair of cable cutters would have been a lot faster and neater than a hacksaw. | |
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akseawolf
join:2002-04-01
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| I smell shenanigans Can someone explain to me how it is possible that a cut fiber in San Jose can shut down all phone service for customers as much as 40 miles away in San Benito and Santa Cruz counties? Shouldn't the local COs allow local phone calls to go through, especially to 911? I think serious weakness in the system was exposed by this vandalism. | |
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AT&T Offers $100,000 For Fiber Sabotage Info
Terrorist dry-run for larger attacks??
