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| | Wow. I can't believe people pay for this "service". Is the next step charging you for not using the phone? | |
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|  viperpa33sWhy Me?Premium
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1 edit | said by talz13:I can't believe people pay for this "service". Is the next step charging you for not using the phone? I have no choice where I live. The signal in my house is non existent and the signal jumps around from no service at all to 3 bars when outside. The AT&T cell tower is about a half mile down the road but I only get "good" service according to AT&T. According to AT&T's website, good service means I can't get any service in my house, spotty in a car, but can get service outside. I really don't feel like sitting outside in 100 degree weather talking on the phone.
I agree that AT&T are making people pay for there incompetence. AT&T has proven they can't provide the needs to there customers. Getting other cell phone service probably wouldn't make a difference either.
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| | sheep yet the att sheep keep takeing it up the a$$ just so they can get a iphone | |
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kudos:4 | Yes they do. 600,00 preorders prove that it is a dominant phone in the market. Call people sheep, etc but it's a damn good phone. | |
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| Re: sheep said by glinc:It's not a damn good phone because Android is far more capable than the iPhone. Reason the iphone sells so much its cause of the media coverage, simplicity of the OS that makes people of any age capable of learning to use it quick and the fact that deleting apps and not having to use a app killer/task manager to close opened apps is good. So what you just wrote helps make it a damn good phone. Thanks.
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| Re: sheep said by tiger72:At one point, the dominant thought on our universe was that we were at the center, and the sun and stars orbited us. Just because it is dominant doesn't mean that it's the best. Not at all, I never said the best. But how many iPhone "killers" have come along and succeeded? None that I know of so far, but it really did set the stage for quite a few advancements across the board when it comes to touch screens, apps, etc.
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kudos:1 | Re: sheep said by ptrowski:said by tiger72:At one point, the dominant thought on our universe was that we were at the center, and the sun and stars orbited us. Just because it is dominant doesn't mean that it's the best. Not at all, I never said the best. But how many iPhone "killers" have come along and succeeded? None that I know of so far, but it really did set the stage for quite a few advancements across the board when it comes to touch screens, apps, etc. marketing is a beautiful thing. Case in point: Nexus 1 vs Droid vs iphone. success of devie corresponds pretty directly with amount spent on advertising.
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| Re: sheep said by tiger72:said by ptrowski:said by tiger72:At one point, the dominant thought on our universe was that we were at the center, and the sun and stars orbited us. Just because it is dominant doesn't mean that it's the best. Not at all, I never said the best. But how many iPhone "killers" have come along and succeeded? None that I know of so far, but it really did set the stage for quite a few advancements across the board when it comes to touch screens, apps, etc. marketing is a beautiful thing. Case in point: Nexus 1 vs Droid vs iphone. success of devie corresponds pretty directly with amount spent on advertising. Mostly. I think with the Nexus1 the US population isn't ready yet to pay the phone price upfront. For me the iPhone is good as I have yet to find another phone that acts as an MP3 player as good as the iPhone does.
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| Re: sheep said by NOCTech75:said by ptrowski:Yes they do. 600,00 preorders prove that it is a dominant phone in the market. Call people sheep, etc but it's a damn good phone. Doesn't have to be good, the iSheeple will buy anything from Apple. They have done a very good job making people stupid. Yes and no. There are fanboys for anything out there and you will always get that crowd, but if the iPhone wasn't appealing to the masses then it would not have the success it does. I can think of at least 4 people that are switching from their Blackberry to the iPhone 4. Whether you like Apple or not it's hard to deny it is a good phone. Being a sheep can only get you so far.
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|  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Defies all logic said by Jeffrey:An appropriate price point would be a one-time fee of $99. No monthly fees and does not count against your caps. No.
You are already paying AT&T for cell phone service. How many times should one have to keep paying and paying for the same cell phone service?
AT&T should offer this device for $0 to any paying customer who is having reception issues, as it is that customer who is doing AT&T's job.
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| Re: Defies all logic said by pnh102:said by Jeffrey:An appropriate price point would be a one-time fee of $99. No monthly fees and does not count against your caps. No. You are already paying AT&T for cell phone service. How many times should one have to keep paying and paying for the same cell phone service? I wouldn't go as a far as calling it $0. That's a bit, well, enthusiastic. You have to pay for the cost of the device, and I'd consider paying $99 for the device, one time, if it made a difference and if it didn't go toward any caps.
With that said, if my coverage was that poor in my home, I'd be more likely to switch companies, as I'm not a phone-guy, and while stuff like the Incredible, the iPhone, etc. are all nice pieces of technology, I don't get that crazy over it.
$0 would be nice, but that would never happen, so I can't take that suggestion seriously.
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| I agree. I have been a Sprint customer for 5+ years. Back when I got them, I couldn't get a signal in my house, but neither could t-mobile, verizon, or ATT (I live in a valley). After excepting that I was just in a wireless black-hole, I had expensive cell repeating equipment that was flaky at best. Then Sprint released the Airave femtocell. I was first in line for one of these and now I can make a crystal clear call anywhere in my house. The turn off? I have to pay to use it. WTF?! A device that kept me from canceling my Sprint service and I'm paying extra for it... At leased they have an unlimited option so the kiddies can talk all day when they are at home. Verizon charges a one time fee of $250 and no monthly. | |
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kudos:7 | said by Jeffrey:Imagine the executives in the board room discussing the price plan for this device. The utmost contempt for the consumer. I'm going to do the best to go out of my way and explain to family and friends to never, ever, to get this device. Just tell them that the DirecTV commericals that show the CableCo board room really was shot at AT&T. | |
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| Re: Defies all logic said by cdru:said by Jeffrey:Imagine the executives in the board room discussing the price plan for this device. The utmost contempt for the consumer. I'm going to do the best to go out of my way and explain to family and friends to never, ever, to get this device. Just tell them that the DirecTV commericals that show the CableCo board room really was shot at AT&T. Not a bad idea.  Those commercials are great.
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Glen Head, NY | Vote With Your Feet Go to another carrier. Why all the complaining against AT&T? Yes, it would be a cold day in hell before I signed up with them. Why do people continue to put up with it? If you can get over "iPhone Fever", there are other carriers and phones out there. AT&T will continue to do what it does BECAUSE IT CAN. If enough people pay their ridiculous charges and put up with their B$ restrictions, they win or at least can justify continue to do what they do.
I am sure Verizon is watching intently to see if it is worth pulling the trigger and doing the same.
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kudos:1 | Re: Vote With Your Feet ATT has been pulling stunts like this for more than 2 years.
ATT's 3g network is slower than T-Mobile, drops more calls than Sprint, and has less coverage than Verizon.
It excels at nothing.
But it has the iphone. So people still renew their contracts, then complain that they can't switch because they just signed ANOTHER 2 year contract.
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| viperpa33sWhy Me?Premium
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Bradenton, FL | said by n2jtx:Go to another carrier. Why all the complaining against AT&T? Yes, it would be a cold day in hell before I signed up with them. Why do people continue to put up with it? If you can get over "iPhone Fever", there are other carriers and phones out there. AT&T will continue to do what it does BECAUSE IT CAN. If enough people pay their ridiculous charges and put up with their B$ restrictions, they win or at least can justify continue to do what they do. I am sure Verizon is watching intently to see if it is worth pulling the trigger and doing the same. That's easier said than done. I live in a area that you would consider the backwoods. AT&T doesn't have a need to provide great cell phone service in my area, just average. It don't matter which cell phone company I switch to, it would still be the same.
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kudos:1 | Re: How? said by Napsterbater:said by IPPlanMan:How is this something that AT&T can keep track of if it goes through your own broadband connection? simple the little femtocell reports the useage to them. Traffic routes through ATT
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kudos:1 | unlimited data plan? What if you have an unlimited data plan? Is the microcell use unlimited?
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| | Really ? So let me get this straight.
1.Your paying for unreliable/limited 3G and phone service, and so you buy a device to help improve your signal that routes everything over your ISP's connection, which more than likely also has a cap.
2.Not only do you have to pay for the device, but theres also a monthly fee to use it, on top of paying for the original unreliable/limited service.
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kudos:1 | Re: Really ? said by bit_junkie:So let me get this straight. 1.Your paying for unreliable/limited 3G and phone service, and so you buy a device to help improve your signal that routes everything over your ISP's connection, which more than likely also has a cap. 2.Not only do you have to pay for the device, but theres also a monthly fee to use it, on top of paying for the original unreliable/limited service. So how is this a "value added service" for the customer ? The only value I see being added is to AT&T's bank statement. Everyone keeps getting this wrong. there is NO additional monthly fee to use it. You can optionally pay for unlimited minutes when connected to it, otherwise it just uses your minutes.
What this article is saying is that if you use data over the microcell's 3g, it will come from your cap if you have one of the new iphones. If you have a feature phone with no forced data plan, and dont opt for one, you will be charged the per kb rate. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Really ? Oh trust me, Im not defending them, just wanted to correct the detail everyone keeps messing up. | |
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| | Idiots You'd think with they'd be giving these things away if they're going to leave all the usage charges in place. Leave the consumer thinking "This is awesome! Full 3g in my house!" and then wham-o the end of the month comes with a bloated cellular bill.
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| ummm? Wow... I really can't believe everyone is getting so bent out of shape about this. If you're at home and in range of your microcell, you're probably well within range of your faster wifi connection.
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| | Why would you route your data over 3g. Why would you route your data over 3g at home when you have an internet connection? Anyone heard of WIFI? The reason for they probably charge is to force stupid people to use Wifi data instead of 3g. | |
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| Hey This actually makes sense when you stop and think about it, most, keyword most areas this will be getting used will be in areas where home broadband is dialup, so they wouldn't be using this anyways. In the other areas, more that likely they have DSL or similar home broadband available and thus would have their own wifi to switch to vs using this to get internet service.
Thats all not to say this is a really shitty move by at&t, but its the worse they could of done. Its really just trying to encourage people that if they have wifi to use it over using the 3G connection thought this. As the more important thing is the ability to make calls with this device. | |
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| The non-hysterical version of this news Voice calling over 3G:
Your voice plan remains the same whether you have MicroCell or not. You can choose to pay an extra $20/month for unlimited voice calling over the MicroCell. Or, you can keep your plan as is, and all voice minutes count against the plan.
If you sign up for the $20/month unlimited minutes plan, you get a $100 rebate on the $150 store price of the MicroCell.
Data over 3G:
If you have an unlimited data plan on your phone, you're good to go, use as much as you like. All non-tethering data plans before June 7 were unlimited, and you are automatically "grandfathered in" -- your plan will only change if you take action.
Despite rumors to the contrary, there is no 5GB cap on unlimited data phone plans, only on tethered or PC datacard plans.
If you are on one of the new tiered-pricing plans, DataPro or DataPlus, 3G data usage over the MicroCell is still counted as data used against your plan, even if you've signed up for the $20/month unlimited voice-over-Microcell plan.
(speculation: I suspect that this is more of an AT&T billing issue than a conscious business decision on AT&T's part. I suspect that when they decided to put the new tiered-price DataPlus/DataPro plans in place, they simply didn't have a mechanism to exempt the MicroCell 3G data usage from being counted against the plan. I wouldn't be surprised to see this change at some point.)
The obvious way to avoid being hit with overage charges is to use WiFi for data access from your phone, rather than use 3G over the MicroCell. After all, the MicroCell requires an Internet connection, so there's one nearby, which can easily be enabled for WiFi if it isn't already.
Using WiFi has the additional advantage of being much faster than using data over 3G, especially for uploads where the MicroCell limits 3G data speeds to about 50 kbits/sec.
The only situations I can imagine where using WiFi wouldn't work are :
(a) your smartphone doesn't have WiFi capability. Solution: upgrade to a new smartphone, all the new ones have WiFi.
(b) you don't control the Internet access point where the MicroCell is located, and you can't get access to WiFi. Solution: I can't imagine this happens much -- maybe in a small business where they refuse to install WiFi for some reason? If so, just make the people who run the Internet access at your location aware of your issue. | |
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They already do. Unless Post Pay customers use all of their allocation of peak minutes they pay for minutes they don't use. Divide the total minutes you use into your bottom line monthly price of your service and you will learn your true price per minute. Sorry.
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