  Jan Janowski
join:2000-06-18 Skokie, IL | Stupid idea Absolutely Stupid idea! | |
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 |   veunad What Does This Do? Premium join:1999-08-06 Kennesaw, GA | Re: Stupid idea There is no stopping it, unless the consumer base(s) rise up and let these companies know they will not stand for it... good chance of that happening. Eh? | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: Stupid idea Get a celebrity to pitch this, some nice editing, and a good song and you're gold. Most people are too stupid to think for themselves. If the company tells them it's good, it's good, right? | |
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 |  hihi
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| said by Jan Janowski :Absolutely Stupid idea! they thought user like us are stupid they were wrong, very wrong  | |
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  The_Dude
@ferris.edu
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| BS I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!
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 |   TK Junk Mail Go ahead, make my day Premium join:2002-03-03 Margate City, NJ clubs: | Re: BS said by The_Dude :
I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!
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| Re: BS said by TK Junk Mail :said by The_Dude :
I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!
Peace Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face. hey i was without internet for a month didnt bother me all that much. Alot of people are just plain hooked on the internet like a drug. | |
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join:2002-12-21 Duluth, GA
| Re: BS said by hayabusa3303 :said by TK Junk Mail :said by The_Dude :
I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!
Peace Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face. hey i was without internet for a month didnt bother me all that much. Alot of people are just plain hooked on the internet like a drug. i can't be without it... i work from home. have to actually, and my company won't pay for internet. and i have GOBS of traffic managing servers all over the area. this would kill me and make it totally unaffordable to have or even be able to work. f'n money-grubbing is all it is.
side note... if they do this they really need to remove "unlimited internet" from any and all of their advertising then. that would just be a blatant lie if they kept that. sorta is now with comcast but the big companies fear not the DoJ or FCC or FTC. especially at&t. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Navarre, FL
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| Re: BS said by envoid :i have GOBS of traffic managing servers all over the area. this would kill me and make it totally unaffordable to have or even be able to work. Sounds like you're a primary candidate for a business class circuit.said by envoid :they really need to remove "unlimited internet" from any and all of their advertising then. That was done quite some time ago. | |
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join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH
| Re: BS I have looked on several ISP websites, and I cannot find any mention of traffic volume as being a perk in the business class tier. Actually, they mention performance and reliability, but not traffic volume... I'm wondering how envoid sounds like a prime candidate for this service to you?
said by Comcast :
With speeds up to 5 times as fast as DSL, our extensive fiber-optic network delivers the performance and reliability your business needs to succeed. Please, help me understand this...
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| Re: BS said by openbox9 :If envoid  is truly reliant on a connection that doesn't inhibit his/her work, I'd recommend a business class circuit. Why?
said by openbox9 :I know that if funding my livelihood depended on my ability to access the Internet, I would have a much better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. I do have a better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. I have a residential connection from Brighthouse. I use it to manage my business clients.
Point to point, it is the same connection that my business clients have, sans the static IP. There is no difference in performance or reliability. Paying 800% extra for the business line would gain me nothing.
The work I do is a lighter network load than a residential user who streams a radio station or watches a movie. My ISP isn't taxed a bit by it.
said by openbox9 :In fact, I would most likely have a couple of connections to the Internet from different providers. I keep an aircard in my van attached to an EVDO router. It's always on if not always in use. I suppose that might serve as a backup. Or my phone can morph into a HSUPA hotspot, if I get desperate.
NV -- I support Little League RollerBall.
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| said by openbox9 :said by wentlanc :I'm wondering how envoid sounds like a prime candidate for this service to you? envoid  appears to be using his connection to the Internet for business purposes. If envoid  is truly reliant on a connection that doesn't inhibit his/her work, I'd recommend a business class circuit. I know that if funding my livelihood depended on my ability to access the Internet, I would have a much better setup than a residential connection from AT&T. In fact, I would most likely have a couple of connections to the Internet from different providers.
Please describe in some logical detail, and in a fashion that can be compared against the business class service offering of any ISP, WHY this person's internet connection should be a business class connection.
None of you supporters have been able to do this as of yet. There is in fact NOTHING about a business class account that is different than a residential account with the exception of service level, and advanced features. There is no usage related benefits to a business class account. I've asked this question many times, and nobody can produce an answer with any type of substantial support for the decision.
Again, I asked to understand it, and you just are not getting me there. Please try again.
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| Re: BS said by openbox9 :said by wentlanc :Please describe in some logical detail, and in a fashion that can be compared against the business class service offering of any ISP, WHY this person's internet connection should be a business class connection. To avoid the caps? If envoid  really transfers "gobs" of data, then s/he might enjoy a business account and the ability to transfer as much as the connection allows. said by wentlanc :There is in fact NOTHING about a business class account that is different than a residential account with the exception of service level, and advanced features. I beg to differ. A DS1 or DS3 circuit brings additional advantages compared to a DSL or cable connection. The business account does not differentiate how much data can be transferred. Please provide some proof that shows otherwise.
A T1 or DS3 circuit is not a DSL or cable connection, so I fail to see how you could differ. That is not a business grade account, that's private line service. You are comparing apples to antelopes.
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| Re: BS said by wentlanc :A T1 or DS3 circuit is not a DSL or cable connection Of course they aren't, that's why my original post referenced a business class circuit. | |
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join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH
| Re: BS DSL and Cable connections are be definition a circuit. What you may have meant, but failed to mention, is a dedicated service, or private line service. A tremendous waste of his money. And BTW, some T1 services are merely throttled DSL connections because they are cheaper for the carrier to provide.
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| Re: BS said by wentlanc :A tremendous waste of his money. How can you make that determination? | |
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join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH | Re: BS Because he does not need dedicated bandwidth. That is the advantage of dedicated service over a shared service like DSL or Cable.
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| Re: BS said by wentlanc :Because he does not need dedicated bandwidth. Really?said by envoid :i have GOBS of traffic managing servers all over the area | |
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join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH | Re: BS Are those metric gobs??
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join:2004-01-26 Navarre, FL
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| Re: BS Since I like the metric system, yes they are. So if envoid transfers 500 Megagobs per month, does s/he require a dedicated connection? | |
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join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH
| Re: BS 1 megagibbles per second = 321.013651 gigagobs per month (assuming that we are talking in a single direction)
Sound like too much to expect from your 20/2 connection, which is capable of transferring up to 6.5 teragobs in a month?
So what you are saying is that ~6% of the capacity that you are purchasing is too much usage??
REALLY?!
What percentage of the bandwidth that we purchase would you LIKE for us to be able to get?
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join:2007-05-06 Port Orange, FL
| said by hayabusa3303 :said by TK Junk Mail :said by The_Dude :
I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!
Peace Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face. hey i was without internet for a month didnt bother me all that much. Alot of people are just plain hooked on the internet like a drug. alot ppl need internet for many uses can u live without it? you had no choice but why do without it??? | |
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join:2008-05-22
| said by TK Junk Mail :said by The_Dude :
I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!
Peace Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face. What happened to voting with your wallet? -- There is no such thing as too much vacation, but I would wager that there is such a thing as too little. | |
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| Voting with your wallet is not good for some people's stock portfolios. Oh, they talk about it in a feeble attempt to make a point, but complain about it when it is put into practice.
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join:2003-07-30 Maineville, OH | Re: BS Actually, no. I was being quite sarcastic because others here seem to be the ones who have such a stake in these telcos. I would happily go to my local coffee shop to pay bills. Or do it from work. Whichever.
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join:1999-11-06 Grand Prairie, TX | It is kind of hard to vote with your wallet when you only have two choices and they both are saying you want service, it is metered. If you want to be totally without, then yes you can vote with your wallet. | |
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join:2002-09-08 Orlando, FL | Re: BS i know in my area you can go with a third party dsl line. something like covad, or dsl extreme. Also we have WISP's who arent to overly priced. though the initial equipment costs are high | |
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@rr.com | I'll just go back to dial up and simplify my habits online! I don't do the gaming or major downloads anyway! | |
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join:2002-01-23 Birmingham, AL | Re: BS Dialup costs more than DSL nowadays. Crazy! | |
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| said by NetAdmin :said by TK Junk Mail :said by The_Dude :
I think this is total BS!!!!!!!!! I just won't have Internet if they want to keep pushing shit like this!
Peace Right. Cut off your nose to spite your face. What happened to voting with your wallet? A specific internet vendor and NO internet at all are 2 different things. Very, very few would go without any internet access no matter what they say here. I am sure that point was obvious. To most anyway. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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| Re: BS said by TK Junk Mail :A specific internet vendor and NO internet at all are 2 different things. Very, very few would go without any internet access no matter what they say here. I am sure that point was obvious. To most anyway. From what I can gather in previous discussions like this, you are a "let the market decide" and "vote with your wallet" disciple. Now you are actively discouraging someone from that course of action?
That disconnect is quite obvious, except for some. -- There is no such thing as too much vacation, but I would wager that there is such a thing as too little. | |
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join:2007-05-06 Port Orange, FL | Just paid them a flat monthly fee if they cut off connection... Their loss. | |
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| Re: No, no, no. Its definitely about pulling in more revenue, but I believe thats secondary. The way the internet is headed, with streaming videos and movies and HD etc, there is a clear interest for providers to limit that access as much possible, and instead force users to use their video service or their portals. By providing caps on the connection, the provider accomplishes two things: force the consumer to use their product only (since it doesn't count against the cap) and pretty much have a stranglehold on the market because in essence the provider has erected another economic barrier to entry. Smaller providers or content producers simply can't compete when the telco/cableco are the backbone AND content of the network, and on top of that limit how much access is allowed outside the network. | |
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| Re: No, no, no. yes it's a monopoly
oh brother, ahem I mean, BIG BROTHER is in control! Nobody to stop the viral monopoly from spreading and constricting it's victoms, er um customers. No way to stop them from "controling" what you get to see or hear either. Better download lots more now right away, before the price goes up. Get it out of your system and then go for a walk. | |
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@il.us
| This is enough to make me jump Most consumers will probably not even notice the cap but this will make me jump to another service with out caps. I can see these caps being a big issue once streaming video becomes more popular from netflix and direc tv. I have both services so may need to think about dropping AT&T for Comcast. | |
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  fireflier Coffee. . .Need Coffee Premium join:2001-05-25 Limbo
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| Lucky Beaumont Seems to me, AT&T chose Beaumont as an experiment to see how metered billing goes over in a market that already has metered billing on competing ISPs so they can compare the results to a market that doesn't have a metered alternative.
Assuming Beaumont's market is more favorable to AT&T, all they've got to do is arrange with their competitors to meter bandwidth as well, they move in, customers have no unmetered choice and everyone winds up on metered plans. All ISPs make more money, and everyone is happy except the customers.
Great. . . -- Tradition: Just because you've always done it that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid. --despair.com | |
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  callattandcancl
@ameritech.net
| Call your Reno, NV or Beaumont,TX AT&T rep and cancel If you let them continue, they will spread this to other cities, and you will have a "class" based system of internet access. Those who can afford more data per and those who can't. Only higher income will eb able to afford the "best" part of the web (HD VOD/etc).
Since the Bell's could not force net neutrality, they did the next best thing, metered usage. And like metered usage, it should become a "utility" and thus be regulated.
I called my AT&T rep and told them to stop this idea in Reno and Beaumont, and if it continues, I will cancel my phone line, my long distance, and my DSL thru AT&T. I will get a dryloop Covad line then let AT&T continue to do this nonsense to people. They say that 5% of users are causing havoc, then AT&T, hey deal with them and do not let the rest of us have to suffer.
Reno/Beaumont users, when you are canceling your DSL service, let them know why and that the metered usage is a joke.
You can find alternate ISP's here:
»www.theispguide.com/
There may in fact be AT&T reseller ISP's who resell AT&T DSL, without the metered billing, but be sure to ask and get it in writing. | |
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@sbcglobal.net
| Re: Call your Reno, NV or Beaumont,TX AT&T rep and cancel said by callattandcancl :
Since the Bell's could not force net neutrality, they did the next best thing, metered usage. And like metered usage, it should become a "utility" and thus be regulated.
Make it an "utility" then of course it will be metered just like my electric, gas, and water. And since I don't pay for unlimited wireless you might as well throw that in there too. | |
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join:2007-02-19 Fredericksburg, TX | 28Mbps? Anyone know what the cap on 18Mbps service is (U-Verse)? | |
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