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AT&T lobbyists rented an Austin theater last night so that local lawmakers could see the Cowboys/Packers game, which wasn't on many cable networks because of the NFL's dispute with the cable industry. 181 legislators and their families were invited to the theater, which has been used by AT&T to demonstrate their VDSL-based IPTV platform, U-Verse. "We thought this would be a good opportunity for us to show the staff what was really the fruit of their labor," says AT&T lobbyist Tracy King.

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wifi4milez
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Nice move

Firstly, that must have been pretty cool for all those who attended. Secondly, its a great way to showcase the technology. Golf clap for the ATT lobbyists!
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Re: Nice move

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Firstly, that must have been pretty cool for all those who attended. Secondly, its a great way to showcase the technology. Golf clap for the ATT lobbyists!
Agreed, very clever. AT&T could have probably rented another one, sold tickets to average consumers and threw in U-Verse advertisements.

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Re: Nice move

Why it's useless?

The voter has no input in politics what are you crazy?

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They should have just taken the money this cost them, change it into small, unmarked bills, and given it to the lawmakers in stuffed envelopes. Would have saved everyone a few hours.
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Yup! Great way to smooze the law makers.

It would have cracked me up if the system crashed during the game too.

I dunno... I don't think it was necessary.. don't think it would be necessary for Cable or satellite to do anything like wise either.

Just think congress needs to stay out of any kind of video that doesn't come over the public air waves.
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Cablecos Need to Step it Up

The cablecos haven't realized that this is the level of competition they're facing and one of the reasons why they are the red-headed stepchildren in the eyes of government entities such as the FCC.
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Re: Cablecos Need to Step it Up

said by openbox9 See Profile :

The cablecos haven't realized that this is the level of competition they're facing and one of the reasons why they are the red-headed stepchildren in the eyes of government entities such as the FCC.
Actually, they DO realize the level of competition.. it was cable that brought competition to the market place to begin with.

I also don't think that I'd say that cable is the red headed step child in the eye of the FCC... I don't think the FCC has a hard-on for cable, rather, Martin does. That's becoming ever so clear as more and more of the FCC people are putting space between Martin and themselves.

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Invest in DISH

Ok, don't really invest in Dish Network based off this. However, my parents are friends with a guy who owns a local satellite shop. They sell Dish Network, install it, all that good stuff. He said orders have been pouring in faster than they can keep up. In all his years he said he has never seen this much demand for satellite television.
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Re: Invest in DISH

Probably cause you can hack them wide open
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DirecTV Needs to Step It Up


Anyone not in Austin should know there has been an all out PR blitz between TW and NFL over distribution rights of the NFL Channel.

What's wierd about this is I heard a reporter on KLBJ 590 state that the game was `only available on Dish Network`. Interesting, I have DirecTV and I watched the game in HD on 212-1. Later I heard a radio spot from Cowboys owner Jerry Jones saying that a future game was unavailable on the local cable stations so call up Dish Network and subscribe.

Wow... now I know where the `reporters` are getting their PR from.

DirecTV really missed out on this one. They should have been beating the streets getting subscribers.

As for AT&T... nice to see they keep paying off our elected officials.
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Not to tear your post up, or you... but, um... orders pouring in doesn't indicate anything. And, I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with NFL specifically as the season is coming to an end soon. Additionally, people don't swarm to Dish for Football.

I've been life long friends with a family that owns a satellite dealer in Sacramento - one of the largest. Their orders go up and down like anything else. They handle DirecTV, Dish, and the big dish. There are times where they can't even get a single Dish order while they get a large influx of DirecTV and Big Dish. It also depends largely on the area you're in too.. if the cable operator in the area sucks, you'll see more orders.. if the cable operator is good, it's anyone's guess.

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entitlements

expect the hard working tax paying citizens of Texas to get screwed by their legislatures thanks in part to this and other "bribes". I'm sure they will gwt favorable laws passed eventually to them and not the consumer. why not invite the office worker or the baker or the local IT guy. are they any less of a Cowboy fan?
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Re: entitlements

I think you are getting close to hitting the nail on the head-They didn't invite the lawmakers just to show off their tech toys-but to insinuate that the cablecos are a little too much in control with deals like these-How many calls do you think that they are going to receive from VERY ANGRY fans?

Jwobot

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Why NFL?

It is really stupid that the NFL is making its fans suffer by asking the cable companies to pay big $$$ for their 8 football games on the NFL Network.

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Re: Why NFL?

said by Jwobot See Profile :

It is really stupid that the NFL is making its fans suffer by asking the cable companies to pay big $$$ for their 8 football games on the NFL Network.
Maybe someone needs to look at regulating the NFL! LOL

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I watched the game for free on www.nfl.com and don't have cable or dish.

How are people suffering?
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Re: Why NFL?

said by greendragon See Profile :

I watched the game for free on www.nfl.com and don't have cable or dish.

How are people suffering?
They only showed about 40-50% of the game. Quality wasn't that great either.

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said by Jwobot See Profile :

It is really stupid that the NFL is making its fans suffer by asking the cable companies to pay big $$$ for their 8 football games on the NFL Network.
Comcast was bidding for those NFL games for its own-OLN channel (now called Versus or "vs" in the USA). Rest assured, Comcast (dba Versus) would have been charging carriers more to carry this channel if those 8 NFL games were on Versus.

ESPN charges about $2.80 a viewer. NFL charges $0.70. I don't know what Comcast charges for Versus.

Funny how history repeats itself: A few years ago, Comcast blacked out NHL games on the Dish Network and Cablevision because those two carriers refused to put OLN on more-populated programming tiers. Dish Network's stance was that few of its customers would be willing to have the channel if it meant raising rates.
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The only thing I know to be clear is that the NFL could give a rats a*s less about cable customers. If they did care as much as they are "pretending" to care - now with this crappy NFL network of theirs - then they'd not have locked out cable customers from the Sunday games.

I'm less and less a fan of ANY major sports association when they pull these exclusive deals and fight in the big dollar range that they do. NFL wants to lock out cable. Nascar now has this exclusive deal with DirecTV and D claims that they are the first to offer multi camera views something that cable has been doing for years.

More and more, it's not about the sport itself, rather, money money money. Last time I checked - IT'S SPORTS!

If you ask me, if there is a choice (and in Minneapolis there is) in Major League baseball or Minor league.. I pass up the big business Minnesota Twins, and will go to a St. Paul Saints game - ANY DAY! The saints have cheaper tickets, a good game, a REAL baseball experience - cheap hot dogs.. and the teams actually interact with the fans still... and the Twins? They can't be bothered with any of that.. and drop your $40 at the gate..

Sports and big business are TRULY two things that do NOT go hand in hand.
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Re: Why NFL?

said by fiberguy See Profile :

The only thing I know to be clear is that the NFL could give a rats a*s less about cable customers. If they did care as much as they are "pretending" to care - now with this crappy NFL network of theirs - then they'd not have locked out cable customers from the Sunday games.
The NFL is locking out fans the cable companies are. The NFL can't force the cbale compnaies to carry the channel. Supposdly putting on NFLN would mean higher rates.

A) Cable raises rates anyways. Charrer's raised rates 3 times in the last 2 years since getting rid of NFL Network so please.

B) DirectTV offers it on a basic tier and they are $10 a month cheaper than Charter. Hmmmm.
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Re: Why NFL?

Please regather your facts and take another stab at it.

First, you just combined the NFL network and Sunday games into one point where as I had them in two - as where they belong.

The NFL and DirecTV HAVE in fact "locked out" cable consumers from the Sunday games, aka "NFL Sunday Ticket"...

You are right that the NFL can't force cable companies to carry the network. Not "Supposedly" would carrying the channel man higher rates, it DOES mean higher rates. It's clear you're not paying attention to the story/facts yet you are reacting with a sense of authority on the matter.

NFL Network is pulling an "ESPN" style attempt on cable. They want to be carried on the lowest form of cable possible to gain the most subscribers. In case you don't know, a network and cable company negotiate a contract of carriage. That contract states terms such as what tier the network will be carried, the price of that channel PER SUBSCRIBER of that tier, even as much as the channel number in some cases. ESPN requires to be carried in the "basic tier" aka Tier 2, Expanded Basic, Full basic, et all. ESPEN gets about $2.50 PER SUB be they watch ESPN, be a sports fan, or not. It's how ESPN/ABC want it to be.

The NFL network wants the same thing at about $1.00+ per sub. Most networks get about $0.25 to $0.40 per head. So, Comcast said they want to put NFL network into a sports tier and NFLN says "no"... Good for Comcast! NFL now throws daggers and blames comcast because they are "locking out subscribers" while comcast says "we are not going to put a low quality channel on a popular tier for the price they want.

NFLN is a joke of a network. NFL keeps the games from cable as it is with a contract with DirecTV valued at over 5 times what it's really worth to begin with. So, they come up with the NFL Network for "others" which carry about 8 games a year and a bunch of other "football" crap.. old game replays, snips of current game highlights, and all the old has-beens talking about the sport. So that's worth $1.25 per head?

Anyway.. as to point A) of yours. Not sure who "charrer's" is.. (Spell check and proofing your posts help a great deal) but I'll assume "Charter".. Again, you come with more 'pure emotion' and no fact to your post. Sure, Charter may have raised their rate 2 times since getting NFL - who says the rate increase was based only on the NFLN? so please... get your facts together.

What IS a fact is that the reason why cable raises rates is because their rates generally go up. Fox news, the most popular news network out there, raised it's rate from a quarter a head to over $1.00 on ratings alone. The FCC passed a requirement which caused cable to toss a lot of stock and buy new, more expensive boxes. Gas prices, in case you don't know, have gone up a lot in the last year alone (and service trucks don't exactly get 35MPG. Among this, other networks raise their rates, costs skyrocket (like health insurance) and network improvements and repairs. VOD services, new guides, HD, phone service, faster internet, etc.

Your B) point - DirecTV offers it on a basic tier and they are $10 cheaper. Shall we open that can of worms? Then get DirecTV! I can also tell you that DirecTV offers some channels on specialty tiers that cable doesn't. I was blown away to find out that the Outdoor Life Network was a "Sports Tier" channel - among others, which were enough to make me leave DirecTV - along with their introduction of contracts and other BS. So, I call your "hmmmmmm"

DirecTV is DirecTV and Comcast and others are who they are. If they all offered the "same thing" then why would you have choice and competition? I can call your comparison and tell you that at least my cable company doesn't charge specifically for the locals - which is a joke. There are many things to compare the services on which is why they call it "competing"..

.. anything else?

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Re: Why NFL?

I agree with your points. I went through the same issue a few years ago:

Los Angeles Time Warner - CBC Newsworld International was on basic digital tier
I moved 10 miles away, where there was Comcast
CBC Newsworld International was is a 'international' tier, which required extra $$ ontop of Digital
DirecTv included CBC Newsworld International as part of their basic package (and was cheaper)... guess where I went.

Where there are options and different packages from competing services, use that to your advantage.
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Good point. In a local news story here they stated that it costs Charter a whopping $8/year per subscriber for the NFL Network...so, there you have it. I have DISH right now because I don't live in the area where I can get IPTV from my local telco, CenturyTel. This is essentially the same thing as the U-Verse, but the pricing beats Charter and the quality does too, along with free installation and the whole works. The cable companies are greedy, that's why telco's are better at providing TV, same with DISH and DirecTV, I will never have cable again.

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said by fiberguy See Profile :

More and more, it's not about the sport itself, rather, money money money. Last time I checked - IT'S SPORTS!

If you ask me, if there is a choice (and in Minneapolis there is) in Major League baseball or Minor league.. I pass up the big business Minnesota Twins, and will go to a St. Paul Saints game - ANY DAY! The saints have cheaper tickets, a good game, a REAL baseball experience - cheap hot dogs.. and the teams actually interact with the fans still... and the Twins? They can't be bothered with any of that.. and drop your $40 at the gate..

Sports and big business are TRULY two things that do NOT go hand in hand.
My God -- that's twice this week I'm agreeing with you.
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December 1st, @03:13PM

Sports IS Money! Sports is ALL about money! Get real-do you really believe that ANYONE in sports is doing it for love of the game? It's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!

What truly cracks me up is that while MILLIONS of Americans go hungry and have no health care, BILLIONS of dollars are spent every year to watch a bunch of guys doing dumb things with some kind of a ball. Where are our priorities???
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said by Jwobot See Profile :

It is really stupid that the NFL is making its fans suffer by asking the cable companies to pay big $$$ for their 8 football games on the NFL Network.
A) 70 cetns is hardly BIG money. ESPN gets nearly $3.50 per sub. I hardly think that re-runs of The World Series of Poker is worth $3.50 a month but that's me.

B) 8 games now more in the future if cable continues to be stupid. Remember 2 years go there were ZERO games on NFL network. How about in next year they expand to 18 games a year. Would that make you happy? Thought not.

Oh if you think that's all NFL network has is 8 games then you're not really an NFL fan anyways. The NFL is year round.

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Re: Why NFL?

said by BF69 See Profile :

said by Jwobot See Profile :

It is really stupid that the NFL is making its fans suffer by asking the cable companies to pay big $$$ for their 8 football games on the NFL Network.
A) 70 cetns is hardly BIG money. ESPN gets nearly $3.50 per sub. I hardly think that re-runs of The World Series of Poker is worth $3.50 a month but that's me.

B) 8 games now more in the future if cable continues to be stupid. Remember 2 years go there were ZERO games on NFL network. How about in next year they expand to 18 games a year. Would that make you happy? Thought not.

Oh if you think that's all NFL network has is 8 games then you're not really an NFL fan anyways. The NFL is year round.
The regular season is a seventeen-week schedule during which each team has one bye week and plays sixteen games. This schedule includes six games against a team's divisional rivals, as well as several inter-division and inter-conference games. The season currently starts on the Thursday night in the first full week of September and runs weekly to late December.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nfl
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Austin

The real question here is why doesn't Austin show the Cowboys games on the local channels? I realize Austin isn't Dallas but surely by now they could have come to some sort of agreement.
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Re: Austin

The NFL is insisting that the cable companies offer the NFL Channel on basic cable, and not on a higher tier. This means that EVERY cable subscriber will be forced to pay some $10 a year for 8 NFL games and 12 months of stuff that only a die hard football fan would ever think of watching. It's a potential $700 Million a year boondoggle for the NFL.
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Re: Austin

said by wbertram See Profile :

The NFL is insisting that the cable companies offer the NFL Channel on basic cable, and not on a higher tier.
Understood, but I'm talking about broadcast TV. I'm surprised one of the local Austin stations doesn't show the Cowboys regularly.
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Re: Austin

Austin is in the Houston Texans' market, and the NFL generally tries not to have two teams in the same market (aside from NYC).
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said by wbertram See Profile :

The NFL is insisting that the cable companies offer the NFL Channel on basic cable, and not on a higher tier.
WRONG. The NFL has said it can be on a digital tier. Cox has it on a Sports and Info tier( which has more than just 6-7 sports channels ). Charter could put it on their TOTAL VIEW tier and the NFL wouldn't have an issue. And neither should you. No one getting basic cable would be "forced" to pay anything and those getting just the Digital View tier wouldn't be either.

This means that EVERY cable subscriber will be forced to pay some $10 a year for 8 NFL games and 12 months of stuff that only a die hard football fan would ever think of watching. It's a potential $700 Million a year boondoggle for the NFL.
70 cents X 12 is $8.40. Non-sports fans currently pay $40 a year for ESPN. Where's your outrage there? I'm also posistive if add add up all the channels I never watch my costs are FAR greater than $10.

Also if fans are only getting sports tier because it's the only way ot get NFL network then they are being FORCED to pay $60 a year for ONE channel that cosst the cable company $8. Let's see Comcast, TW and Charter have 45 million subscribers that's potentially a $2.3 BILLION windfall for cable. And the NFL is greedy?

Also

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Re: Austin

NFL Network - approx $10 per year
You get...
* 8-10 NFL games

ESPN Family - approx $40 per year
You get...
* 16 NFL games
*and*
* NBA, MLB, PGA Golf, Tennis, College Football, College Basketball (incl Women's March Madness), NCAA Baseball, NCAA Softball, NASCAR, Arena Football, Poker, Billiards, Bowling and much MUCH more!

Given what the NFLN brings to the table, compared to ESPN, they should only be getting $2-4 per year!

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Re: Austin

said by myosh See Profile :

NFL Network - approx $10 per year
You get...
* 8-10 NFL games

ESPN Family - approx $40 per year
You get...
* 16 NFL games
*and*
* NBA, MLB, PGA Golf, Tennis, College Football, College Basketball (incl Women's March Madness), NCAA Baseball, NCAA Softball, NASCAR, Arena Football, Poker, Billiards, Bowling and much MUCH more!

Given what the NFLN brings to the table, compared to ESPN, they should only be getting $2-4 per year!
Congrats! Very good analysis! I found your post especially useful! ((( thumbs up from me )))
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November 30th, @04:30PM

We should all applaud cable for this fight

I constantly bash cable for allowing the channel extortionists to charge whatever they want.

I'm glad the cable industry is finally starting to stand up against these network thieves who think their crap channels are worth millions a month.

Go Cable!

Oh, and news to the Death Star...U-Verse is nothing to brag about.
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Re: We should all applaud cable for this fight

said by DotMac See Profile :

Go Cable!
DotMac.... someone hijacked your BBR account and said something positive about cable!! Moderators!!! Moderators!!!

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November 30th, @07:36PM

Re: We should all applaud cable for this fight

I'm a very happy cable HSI customer and choose it over FiOS which is also available. I get excellent service, low latency, no nastygrams, decent free unlimited usenet for $2 cheaper than the equivalent FiOS plan. And unlike telco service I have no junk fees, regulatory recovery fees or other bullcrap I had with Verizon DSL. TWC quoted exactly $54.95 per month (for RR Extreme) and I pay exactly $54.95. The service never goes down and despite using hundreds of GB's per month of service I never hear a peep from them except the e-bill I get through Bank of America. That's the way I like it.



And that is running the test on a home computer using remote desktop ware from my office which is why the upload is "only" 1.5Mb (BTMM takes about 400kbps at high resolution with encrytion and it can run the latency up a bit). Normally it's around 1950kbps with 20ms or lower latency. And it's that 24/7/365 and I can run it wide open for days on end and they don't care.

I'm a happy cable HSI fanboi. Now if only TWC video services were as good or fairly priced...
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Re: We should all applaud cable for this fight

said by DotMac See Profile :



And that is running the test on a home computer using remote desktop ware from my office which is why the upload is "only" 1.5Mb (BTMM takes about 400kbps at high resolution with encrytion and it can run the latency up a bit). Normally it's around 1950kbps with 20ms or lower latency.

You realize for $2 more as you say, Fios gives you 15/15 not 15/2. HUGE difference. Apples and oranges really.

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Re: We should all applaud cable for this fight

Uh, no it's not.

Even with a contract in my area 15/15 is $69 as I'm not a POTS customer so I have to pay an unbundled rate. That's 50% higher, not two bucks.

TWC RR Extreme 15/2 with no contract $54.95 out the door Free install no activation fee

My local FiOS prices

FiOS 1 year minimum contract
Contract cancellation fee for 1 year is $99 for 2 years is $150
FASTER Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $49.99 for POTS customers
FASTER PLUS Up to 15 Mbps/15 Mbps $64.99 for POTS customers
Unbundled price was $5 higher.

No Contract (at the time there was also a $20 activation fee and $79 install fee)
FASTER Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $57.99 for POTS customers
FASTER PLUS Up to 15 Mbps/15 Mbps $72.99 for POTS customers
Unbundled price was $5 higher.

So actually apple to apples Verizon is more than 14% higher (about $8) plus the $100+ in startup fees.

Plus I would have to phone in my order since my address isn't in their online order database yet. You only get the free month promotion if you order online. Then there is the hardware. I'm happy to avoid Verizon's crappy lock up happy Actiontec. The alternative would be to pull a hundred feet of CAT5e from the ONT to my loft where all my crap is. The floorplan of my house makes that extremely difficult. All that hassle just to end up with a 15% higher HSI bill and all the headaches Verizon internet customer no-service is well known for »15/15 to 15/2 Downgrade is Impossible??? No thanks.

FiOS is great when you have no other choice but I'm one of the lucky ones who has an excellent, reliable and better priced alternative.
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said by DotMac See Profile :

I constantly bash cable for allowing the channel extortionists to charge whatever they want.

I'm glad the cable industry is finally starting to stand up against these network thieves who think their crap channels are worth millions a month.

Go Cable!

Oh, and news to the Death Star...U-Verse is nothing to brag about.
I'm so glad I can't get NFL Network, but 80% of my bills goes for blacks getting to enjoy BET, rednecks to enjoy CMT, Jesus freaks to enjoy TBN, women to enjoy, WE, Oxygen and Lifetime. Must be nice to enjoy channels and have other foot the bill. Enjoy hypocrites.

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Re: Gifts

sounds like some 'creative' accounting going on.
I suspect that this wasn't a 'gift' but a 'demonstration'.
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If public officials can be convinced to vote against their constituent's interests because someone let them watch a football game on a big screen, the only fault lies in the people that voted such shallow miscreants into office in the first place.
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boober321

join:2003-07-15
Milwaukee, WI

Re: Gifts

Hey it's Texas... second only to Louisiana in corruption. And if you think, footballdude, that this is the ONLY thing they are accepting, you either naive or stupid...

Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
·Embarq

said by footballdude See Profile :

If public officials can be convinced to vote against their constituent's interests because someone let them watch a football game on a big screen, the only fault lies in the people that voted such shallow miscreants into office in the first place.
When the choices are corrupt politician A and corrupt politician B, how can it be the publics fault when a corrupt politician is elected?
And if you think that politicians won't vote their pocket book (i.e. the ones that lining them) then you don't understand very well the nature of humans. That is why we have the laws we do in Florida. Even good people will make bad decisions in the wrong circumstances.
jc100

join:2002-04-10
·RoadRunner Cable

Our Elected Officials...

Hard at working taking luxurious "bribes" err gifts in order to support legislation that'll screw their constituents one step at a time. Ah yes, America. Where bribing an official is "OK" as long as it's done under the guise of lobbying. Seriously, this type of crap should be illegal, whether it be for a notable cause or bad one. It clouds the pendulum of neutrality and makes those in office bias to a cause. O well, that's an ideal world, and then there is this crap.
Wutty

join:2001-11-24
Houston, TX

That's all Fine and Dandy BUT...

Until they offer better internet speeds I still ain't switching. A max of 6megs down in a world of FIOS and high speed cable it ain't gonna cut it.
disc

join:2005-12-31
Raleigh, NC

My Dad watched this on my cell phone (via Sprint TV)

Turned out to be really good coverage. I'm assuming Sprint TV gets the same feed that the "NFL Network" sends out over the web (a la www.nfl.com/live), and I was worried it was going to be mostly filler with a few highlights of the game in real-time. But in reality, the feed turned out to be pretty much the whole game in real-time, with a small number of interruptions.

Not only was the feed better than expected, but the experience in using a cell phone to watch the feed was better too. I put some headphones my Dad and he was happy as a clam.

So 2 points for the NFL feed service and for the Sprint TV experience. To say I was skeptical of both was an understatement. Hope their biz guys got enthusiastic response from other quarters too.
BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: My Dad watched this on my cell phone (via Sprint TV)

said by disc See Profile :

Turned out to be really good coverage. I'm assuming Sprint TV gets the same feed that the "NFL Network" sends out over the web (a la www.nfl.com/live), and I was worried it was going to be mostly filler with a few highlights of the game in real-time. But in reality, the feed turned out to be pretty much the whole game in real-time, with a small number of interruptions.

Not only was the feed better than expected, but the experience in using a cell phone to watch the feed was better too. I put some headphones my Dad and he was happy as a clam.
Sorry I watched on the net and the quality wasn't even anywher near SD quality. Most of the game really? Ok I didn't watch the 2nd half but only 6 minutes of the 1st quarter and maybe 8-9 minutes of the 2nd quarter were shown. even if they showed the entire 2nd half at most they only showed 75% of the game. Um...I'd like 100% please. I'd also like quality something better than TV in 1967 being 75 miles from the station durring a rainstorm.

cline3621
Mr. Yuk is MEAN Mr. Yuk is GREEN
Premium
join:2006-06-14
Clarksville, TN
·CDE

Football game

Since I don't know I'll just ask. When it comes to the NFL, I thought renting out movie theaters, or any other public gathering places like schools and churches to watch football games, was in there lingo 'Strictly Prohibited'. I can remember reading somewhere, that the NFL was trying to crack down on churches that were showing the Superbowl or playoff games or something to that extent. Ha, any copyright lawyers want to chime in?

Unit649
I B U, Who U B?
Premium
join:2000-01-22
Stockton, CA
·Comcast

Re: Football game

Not if they paid the proper fee(s). Its like a bar showing a Tyson fight-as long as they pay the proper fee to the provider (usually based on occupancy) its perfectly fine. They don't pay the $49.95 a residential account would, its more.

Its a bar hooking itself up as a residence, and paying the residence fee for the fight, then charging people a cover fee and making a mint that they frown upon. They don't care as long as the proper green makes it into the proper pockets as charged.

Course, even worse is using an illegal box and paying nothing, but thats on another level entirely.

OceanaJones

join:2004-10-18
Suffolk, VA

National Flunky League

NFL? I'll pass... too much like All Star Wrestling... All fake, and fixed. Its a shame because in the early days it was a worth while sport. now all they do is hire uneducated home boys from the college ranks and a bunch of punks and ask your children to make heros out of them. Like I said... I'll pass on the NFL.

sporkme
drop the crantini and move it, sister
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ

Football...

Is stupid.

I'm happy fans are mad. I hope they all end up paying for this one channel so I don't have to.
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stridr69

join:2003-05-19
San Luis Obispo, CA

NFL Network

Thank you, Sprint.
Caught parts of the game while I was out-and-about last nite.
Love your Sprint TV option. $15.00 a month for unlimited EV-DO is VERY nice-can you hear me now, Verizon??!!
Could care less if the NFL network is offered on my cable(Charter).
Outside of a few games, and the NFL draft-which ESPN has better coverage, why worry about it?
Looks like them "ploughboys" are on their way...
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