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join:2004-10-23
Rantoul, IL
clubs: | Ed Whitacre Ed Whitacre needs to be shot.
This man has to be, hands down, the greediest, most idiotic person on this planet. | |
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join:2006-04-19
Oak Creek, WI
| Re: Ed Whitacre Being shot would be too kind ... this man exemplifies what is wrong with the RBOC business community (in my opinion)  I say tar, feather and then send him on a walk across the desert to contemplate the damage he has single handily caused to the US society and our ability to be competitive in a global world. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Ed Whitacre AT&T shouldn't be able to collect any USF/FUSF fees, as it appears that items such as Lightspeed won't be deployed
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| said by rudnicke  :Ed Whitacre needs to be shot. This man has to be, hands down, the greediest, most idiotic person on this planet. hey hey hey! be careful what you say - Ed has some significant competition out there for greediest, stupidest person on the planet. I don't think Ed's a slam dunk. | |
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace | quote:
This man has to be, hands down, the greediest, most idiotic person on this planet.
Obviously you haven't met many attorneys then. | |
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rudnicke
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join:2004-10-23
Rantoul, IL
clubs: | Re: Ed Whitacre I stand corrected. | |
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join:2005-03-26 | oops "AT&T has also passed laws banning communities from serving themselves."
I think this needs a quick edit. Only the government can pass laws. | |
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tsu
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Re: oops Right, which is why that excerpt is telling of the situation. | |
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Bencoder
@orionamerica.com | Right, but only with corporate "permission".  | |
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dslwanter
Broadband blackhole no more
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
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| Faking most deffinitly. Areas around here still can't get DSL, simply because they're too cheap to upgrade the RTs and put new ones where needed. Concern for rural deployment my ass. This area isn't even considered entirely rural, so I can't imagine what it's like in a rural community. Project Lightspeed requires RTs to be deployed and lit, yet this area isn't even on the list for a RT. I'm lucky enough to be on the edge of the DSL feed from the CO and since I can't get cable modem as of yet (it's coming soon I hear) I'm on the very lowest sync rate of DSL. You're not going to successfully market broadband with satellite even with their conjunction with Wild Blue. Satellite is simply too expensive for the average Joe, especially when they constantly see advertisements for DSL on TV for $12.99 a month! Although they can't get it, they don't see why they would need to pay that much for satellite.
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| Thats why they need local franchise agreements Telco's will not bring fiber to the "farm" because it is not cost effective for them. They base it on homes per mile, but most cable co's have to serve the entire community because it is in the local franchise agreement along with local studio funding ect... | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
| Re: Thats why they need local franchise agreements said by SEL9710 :
but most cable co's have to serve the entire community because it is in the local franchise agreement along with local studio funding ect... Which is also the reason why you still cannot get cable TV in many rural areas.
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Hell no! This is exactly why I refuse to allow AT&T to activate my DMARC with POTS service. This is a horrible business model. | |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | Fixed wireless is not for rural broadband I think AT&T does not realize how hard fixed wireless is, esp in Missouri. So many trees, hills its not for rural areas.
Roll the fiber or shut up AT&T. Lobby the government for money to do it if you have to. | |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| Can someone help me out here? And tell me, at what point in time did it become a requirement for a company such as AT&T is to have to be forced into delivering goods and/or services into areas which would most likely prove to be an unprofitable business venture for them?
What a HORRIBLE expectation to expect from this, or any other U.S. Company.
This and other companies put their and their shareholders hard earned money into building and upgrading their systems and in fact, in this industry, that amounts to billions of dollars.
This company is not here to service those people who CHOOSE and who have decided to live in the more rural parts of America with non essential services such as broadband internet, video over IP, or VOIP.
If I were to ever decide to live in the Mountains of California or anywhere else that's rural, or even borderline rural for new technologies, I would fully expect that I'd be sacrificing a certain amount of convenience to do so.
I wouldn't expect a national food chain to then move a supermarket down the street from me..which is an EXCELLANT comparison to this issue..only to service my and a relatively few others needs.
I would expect to drive a long distance for even such basics as Gasoline for my tank and even for things such as a doctor or hospital visit.
One of the biggest and first challenges companies like AT&T have had to face is how to service even those more densely populated areas with this newer technology.
I myself lived a while back in a pretty heavily populated suburb of Columbus Ohio, in a complex with over 300 units in it..and we couldn't even get DSL...because of the distance limitations. This wasn't the phone companies fault, it was the technology involved that had us too far from the C/O. But, if you were a FOR profit business...which would you RIGHTFULLY work on first...that type of a scenario involving many potential customers or the more rural customers where you might have to lay miles of new lines to service only a few?
The executives of a for profit company have an OBLIGATION to their shareholders and to the corporation itself to choose the first one. This is not a welfare agency and in business to lose money.
Just as any FOR PROFIT corporation in America should be as well.
For whatever faults they may have, I think AT&T has demonstrated their commitment to trying to get these things rolled out as fast as they can. Witness the recent lawsuit even against the city of Geneva IL..that they filed trying apparently speed along that community as well.
On one hand, the writers here at BBR complain about AT&T's attack against franchise agreement, and on the other you complain about how slow they are.
Which is it BBR?
Which one do you want to support?
You can't have it both ways.
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ross96
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join:2000-11-02
Salem, OH | Re: Can someone help me out here? Amen Rick! | |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| Not a hundred years ago they said the same thing about city water, electricity service, sewer service...you get my point. At what point did anyone "force" rural areas of the country to be electrified?
Eventually, HSI will be considered a utility (like it should be) and not the playthings of the urban populations of this country. Automobiles weren't plentiful in the rural areas of this country until Ford came along-where's broadband's Henry Ford? | |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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| Re: Can someone help me out here? said by garagerock :Not a hundred years ago they said the same thing about city water, electricity service, sewer service...you get my point. At what point did anyone "force" rural areas of the country to be electrified? Eventually, HSI will be considered a utility (like it should be) and not the playthings of the urban populations of this country. Automobiles weren't plentiful in the rural areas of this country until Ford came along-where's broadband's Henry Ford? The difference between broadband and those utilities you mentioned are about 100 years apart. Electricity wasn't made available to everyone right away. It started in cities and in densely populated areas. If you were trying to point this out in your previous post, I am just clarifying it.
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
·Site5.com
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| Re: Can someone help me out here? said by batterup :said by garagerock :At what point did anyone "force" rural areas of the country to be electrified? In 1935 the Rural Electric Administration (REA) was created to bring electricity to rural areas like the Tennessee Valley. Being as that the first city was electrified in around 1890, 45 years isn't bad. Broadband has only been around for 12 years or so. In another 20 years, broadband will be just about everywhere in the US.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| Re: Can someone help me out here? said by Nightfall : Being as that the first city was electrified in around 1890, 45 years isn't bad. Broadband has only been around for 12 years or so. In another 20 years, broadband will be just about everywhere in the US. The percentage of homes that have electricity is 99 and 44/100% the percentage of homes that have any internet access is 60%. That is 40% that don't want it as dial-up is available to all. | |
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join:2001-03-13
Saint Louis, MO | Because they are given a monopoly they should supply service to everyone. | |
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| moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by Rick :You can't have it both ways. ~RRR And neither can ATT or Comcast or Verizon or anyone else.
If they don't want to deploy it FINE! They should have NO RIGHT to stop anyone else (private or muni-project.) | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| because they being a utility should have provide full speed Broadband to anyone willing to subscribe. this is the 21st century distance from the CO should be nullified by deploying FTTH everywhere. Verizon is attempting this with FiOS infact i think VZ has the best route to rural high speed because fiber doesnt loose signal and doesnt really need amplifiers.
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join:2004-11-30
Arkansas
| Re: Can someone help me out here? Its sad that we are in the 21st century and so many Internet users are still dialing up at 56k or less, even if they have broadband available! Cable finally became available in my rural area last year, and like somebody else in this thread said, I doubted its actuality until the day of installation.
Its one thing to deploy broadband in rural areas, but its another to convince them the switch from dial-up is worth it. Most people who live in the country are not typically tech savvy people, and use the Internet for relatively few things, and find a dial-up connection sufficient for their needs. That I believe is another reason rural areas are often under-served. I'm not sure if this is factual, but I've heard poorer inner-city districs of major cities are still not wired for broadband either. If this is so, its another one of the situations I discribed above, its not the lack of people, but the lack of the kind of people who would want broadband. This IMO is discrimination, whether it be inner-city minorities or rural Americans. | |
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AHomeBoy2000
join:2005-10-10
Roselle, IL
| RADICAL Change I have been thinking about this for a long time and I have an idea, but it’s radical and might bet a lot of opposition, but it makes sense and takes a lot of control out of these big companies. The US Government makes a HUGE investment in running fiber to EVERY house/business in America. Then to make sure that there is fair competition, 2 companies are granted a local “bi-opoly”. Two companies lease these fiber lines for a minimal price. The reason two companies are allowed to do this is that it gives competition to keep prices down. Theoretically, it could be a “tri-opoly” if they wanted it to be. These companies can use these lines however they like. IF they want to offer only ultra-fast broadband, they can do so. If they want to offer Voice, Internet, and TV… they can do that as well. No one gets left behind and medica companies can bitch and moan saying “it costs too much to service some areas” | |
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anonposter
@optonline.net | Re: RADICAL Change Write your state Representatives..
I think you have a great idea. | |
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join:2005-10-10
Roselle, IL | Re: RADICAL Change THanks so much for the idea. i will. However, i have a question. Should I right to my reps on a state or national level. Plus, should i write to the house or senate reps? I've never done anythign liek this before. i could use some guidence. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| At least they could be honest about things The CEO of ATT at a recent board meeting. | |
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dslwanter
Broadband blackhole no more
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH | Re: At least they could be honest about things LOL . | |
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anonposter
@optonline.net | welcome You are in the USC. Not the USA
United Sates of Corruption. | |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX | Re: welcome Or maybe it should be CSA: Corporate States of Amurikka... | |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | interesting note the absence of the corporate cable shills that always post here. not much to say now hey ? | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: interesting Good old Sleezy P Martini of Gwar. A great stage show, so-so music, but it does beat the hell out of gangsta rap. | |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
Premium
join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
| Can we make them sell them off? Since the Bells don't want to deploy in some areas and wish to redline in many areas, they should have to sell these areas off to be allowed to do so.
They seem to care less about these areas unless someone else comes in. They don't want to invest until they have to. They don't have the money unless someone else starts deploying.
If the Bells won't do it make it so Co-OP's can both local residents, private and governments. Just like rural electrification. Never mind...time for me to learn.
I know we as in all of us need to write our reps and not just in here. I wrote mine for the 3dr time yeasterday.
BTW. I don't know how to build a pole on BBR. Can someone throw one together asking how many have wrote their congressman over Network neutrality? I just want to know if others really take the time.
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Fleet
join:2002-01-26
Elgin, IL
| HERE HERE!! Since the arrival of DSL...what seems like so long ago, I have been one of the unfortunates that has Always lived in the under/UN served 'Rural Areas'. Only last week I was finally, and I mean finally, able to get service through Comcast Cable. For a while I had doubts as to it's actuality.  It is, always was, and always will be about the money! I couldn't agree more with the idea that if you won't serve it, sell it/lease it to someone that will. Something tells me there would be allot of smaller guys looking to pick up that business that SBC/AT$T is so willing to cast aside. There's not much to be said about a major company/monopoly like this that spends mill...I'm sorry, Billions, to lobby to keep laws in place that allow them to do this. How ironic is it that by getting Comcast Cable I was able to completely cease giving SBC/AT$T any more of my hard earned money.
No DSL/No Dial Up= no need for a phone!
I cut it off with-in minutes of Comcast startup!
Too bad more can't do that! | |
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lostnthwoods
join:2001-12-03
Arcadia, OK
| No kidding.... They've been lying to us for three years running in Oklahoma and we're just outside an affluential growth part of the metro. They peddle their crappy dialup so they can not only give our telephone numbers to the government, but out email too. What a sham....maybe there should be another class action suit like back in the 1970's that muzzled them for years. | |
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xerxes3642
join:2006-02-24
Saint Charles, MO | franchise this is why the federal franchise is a bad bad idea. This shows how much of a lie their areguments are "it bolsters competition...lie, it allows for technology upgrades..lie" | |
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AT&T Faking Concern for Rural Deployment
