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story category AT&T Dry Loop 1.5Mbps DSL: $23.99
$60 when bundled with a wireless plan
(old news - 06:25PM Tuesday Sep 11 2007)
tags: dsl · prices · business · wireless · AT&T Midwest
We recently noted that AT&T was offering a dry loop (naked DSL) and wireless bundle as a "trial service" in the Jacksonville, Chicago and Austin markets. AT&T says their primary goal is to target college students who've never had copper landline service, and find the idea of having to order one to get DSL even more insulting than we do.

However, this thread in our forums notes that one user in Connecticut was able to order dry loop DSL for $23.99 per month. This Bloomberg report meanwhile insists the trial is actually occurring in seven cities, with potential expansion planned. Users in those markets can get wireless AT&T service (450 minutes) and 1.5Mbps DSL for $60 per month.
"While the $60 plan isn't yet widely available, customers who live in the 13 states AT&T served before its acquisition last year of BellSouth Corp. can get the same features for $65 a month, only by visiting an AT&T retail store, Coe said. Right now, stand-alone DSL service at 1.5 megabits per second costs $49.99 a month in those states and $37.95 a month in the nine-state territory AT&T acquired in the BellSouth transaction."
Users across BellSouth territory can now get dry loop DSL, but for considerably more. We've got an interview lined up with AT&T later this week, during which we'll try to iron out some of these weird pricing and plan territorial inconsistencies (for both U-Verse & DSL).

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Forums » AT&T Dry Loop 1.5Mbps DSL: $23.99
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MrMaster
What If
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Austin, TX
clubs:

got the ad in the mail today

I got the ad in the mail today....and it went straight into the trash.
permalink · 2007-09-11 18:41:43 · Reply to this

ronpin
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·AT&T Southwest
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Re: got the ad in the mail today

$7 is what I paid for a basic "measured service" line -- so as to get a $34/mo 6mbs/768kbs DSL line here in Dallas. So the $23 figure cited sounds like the regular $15 DSL service plus a $7 measured service line (or it should be a measured service line)
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permalink · 2007-09-11 18:58:57 · Reply to this

Bell System
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join:2005-12-04
Strongsville, OH

Re: got the ad in the mail today

The 768k package is the 14.99 package. The 1.5m package is 19.99 lineshared. The 23.99 price is in reference to the 1.5m package not the 768k. So if bundled w/ wireless in theory for 60 total, then it would be at the 19.99 price point unbundled.
permalink · 2007-09-12 08:57:16 · Reply to this

techperson

@sbcglobal.net

I WANT MY nakid dsl

The FCC should "inforce" there regulations to offer dry loop dsl for 19.95 and or the 10.00 dsl as per the merger.Instead of all thease bundles and bargins.I have called numerus times. i have followed the online site and its allways directs me to call.

When i call there 800 number they allways say there systems are down and theres no way to check if i qualify.Also it shouldnt matter that your allready a dsl subcriber.It irks me to no end i have had such trouble ordering this service.

It was required for the allowance of the merger to offer dry loop for 19.99 for 3 years.Yet i still havent been able to order it yet.I just told them last time i called that there upsetting there current customers by not letting existing customers get in on the deal.

Even if the ceo said no one wants the ten dollar 768 there wrong.I would love to get it for 10.00 per month.Even if its only 768 down.I'm paying 15 a month for the basic now.I don't have a contract and to boot i have had to call and threaten to cancell when i wanted my 49 modem rebate.

They gave me some rebates and credits to my account but i have yet to get my rebate on the hardware.It just go to show that they don't live up to there agreements.

They should be fined or punsihed for this type of treatment.
permalink · 2007-09-11 18:55:18 · Print · Reply to this
bigboy728

join:2007-07-21
Riverside, CA

Re: I WANT MY nakid dsl

ATT let me order dsl but charged me 40 bucks for voice plan with no contract 19.99 till I move or change etc...
permalink · 2007-09-12 02:03:55 · Reply to this
fiberguy
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When did the FCC say they were to "trial" it??

I thought this was a REQUIREMENT...? I didn't know this service was suppose to "target" any particular group.

What I would like to see is a group of people ask for naked DSL, fail to get it, and sue the the rule of law back into SBC/AT&T or who ever they think they are these days.

.. I suppose as long as Kevin Bush Martin heads the FCC, it will be a trial and not a requirement as was always stated.
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permalink · 2007-09-11 19:27:47 · Print · Reply to this

av

@pacbell.net

sbc/att

I work for this f---- up company. I don't even have their services nether should you.
permalink · 2007-09-11 19:54:42 · Reply to this
hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH

Re: sbc/att

if you don't have services from them then why does your posting mark say you have pacbell.net?
permalink · 2007-09-11 20:01:26 · Reply to this

StickToTheFacts

@cox.net

Re: sbc/att

Pacbell became part of SBC which became ATT.

They just haven't changed all of the rDNS records over yet. You can still see users with ameritech.net and others on occasion even though they have been part of SBC for a long while.
permalink · 2007-09-12 03:06:37 · Reply to this
jtorre69

join:2005-12-26
Hollywood, FL

Re: sbc/att

you completely misssed the point.
permalink · 2007-09-12 05:36:33 · Reply to this

ropeguru
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clubs:		 Maybe he posted from work???
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permalink · 2007-09-12 08:33:46 · Reply to this
Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX

Re: sbc/att

If he posted from work, the domain would be att.com. The Pacbell.net, SWBell.net are still around and I have had an SWBell.net addy for many years.
permalink · 2007-09-12 11:01:21 · Reply to this
hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH

Re: sbc/att

Correct. Which means having the Pacbell.net SWBell, Ameritech.net or SNET.net brand he would be using residential services; most likely at home.
permalink · 2007-09-12 12:05:55 · Reply to this

morbo
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Re: sbc/att

or using wifi from a neighbor? or a public wifi at a local business? or posting from friends house, etc.
permalink · 2007-09-12 12:46:47 · Reply to this

KrK
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Tulsa, OK
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·AT&T Southwest

You should be able to order ANY DSL Plan...

... that they offer, for that price.

POTS should *not* be a requirement. They've already shown POTS is not needed for any real reason, other then to make your bill higher.

So if AT&T offers $34.99 for 6mbps down/768kbps up then you should be able to order JUST DSL for that price.

Of course, I realize it isn't that way, and certainly isn't likely to change... But AT&T should realize there are competitive advantages to offering naked DSL. This allows Wireless only consumers to choose AT&T for broadband....

or... What if a Customer is currently a Cable TV/Hi Speed Internet customer. With AT&T offering naked DSL, they could dump cable and get Satellite and DSL from AT&T.

Here's another reason.... AT&T could offer naked DSL, and then a VOIP phone service on top of it as another option. Seems like that would conflict with not offering POTS... true.. but they could add the VOIP phone to a DSL subscriber and charge considerably less for it, and thereby undercutting Cable's internet phone offers.

Course, I say they COULD offer it for only a few dollars more. My guess is they won't, however.
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permalink · 2007-09-11 20:57:37 · Print · Reply to this
Drakemoore

join:2005-02-03
Hawthorne, FL

Re: You should be able to order ANY DSL Plan...

Ah, but companies are stubborn and they usually only see the current $$$ in their line of sight. Not the long run picture, in the end they will see how much they screwed up.
permalink · 2007-09-11 21:52:43 · Reply to this
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
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permalink · 2007-09-11 23:10:13 · Reply to this

KrK
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Tulsa, OK

Re: You should be able to order ANY DSL Plan...

Current might be needed, but Dialtone isn't.
permalink · 2007-09-11 23:29:19 · Reply to this

ropeguru
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Hollywood, FL
clubs:

edit:
September 12th, @08:37AM

Re: You should be able to order ANY DSL Plan...

said by KrK See Profile :

Current might be needed, but Dialtone isn't.
Exactly. And for the longest time they also said they couldn't do just dsl because they had no way to locate your home to see if it was available. That was also BS as what if your home was new and never had service to begin with. They had to be able to initially locate it somehow.

They are used to being able to lie and get away with it. They are just now getting caught in all those lies as they change their services around. Sad thing is, most people in this country are too ignorant to realize it and remember some simple history.
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permalink · 2007-09-12 08:36:45 · Print · Reply to this
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA		 How ya going to ID the circuit?

Tags can only do so much.
permalink · 2007-09-12 13:54:11 · Reply to this

ropeguru
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Hollywood, FL
clubs:

Re: You should be able to order ANY DSL Plan...

They ID T1's and all the other circuits without phone numbers. What's the difference??
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permalink · 2007-09-14 16:49:09 · Reply to this
bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA

Re: You should be able to order ANY DSL Plan...

There's only a few in any given cable and the high voltage keeps techs from playing with them. Put a line without voltage out there and it'll last up till the point that some tech needs a clear pair for his service order.
permalink · 2007-09-14 22:16:50 · Reply to this

Rob A
Same Old Jets
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Pompton Plains, NJ

nice price

Good job by ATT, that's a good price for dry loop and decent speed.
permalink · 2007-09-11 23:10:40 · Reply to this

Shortbus
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clubs:

Targeting those that never had a landline?

So if most of these people never had a landline, how many will actually understand the concept of needing to have it wired from the NID to a phone jack?
permalink · 2007-09-11 23:29:41 · Reply to this

Adam20
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join:2007-07-19
Sarnia, ON

Re: Targeting those that never had a landline?

I guess it must be different in the US. In canada well atleast with bell canada all Naked DSL(Dry Loop) services are the same priced as regular dsl services.
permalink · 2007-09-11 23:54:42 · Reply to this

KrK
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Tulsa, OK

Re: Targeting those that never had a landline?

Yep, it is different here.
permalink · 2007-09-12 01:43:38 · Reply to this
benc
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Bah

What's the point? VOIP?

VOIP is inferior to POTS. For VOIP to equal POTS, you'd need an Internet connection with a very good SLA (reliability), which is high priced. Also consider VOIP requires Internet access, which is another link in the chain that can be broken. It also doesn't work when the power goes out, unless you still have Internet despite the power outage and a UPS for your VOIP equipment.

Although, I've got to admit that Asterisk PBX software seems like a cool idea. Digium cards and a Linux server don't even cost a lot, compared to the cost of a PBX.
permalink · 2007-09-12 01:09:29 · Print · Reply to this
CMoore2004
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Re: Bah

Who said anything about VOIP? I no longer have a land line and have made no use of VOIP. The cell phone tower has a backup generator, plenty more than reliable for most people.
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permalink · 2007-09-12 02:29:40 · Reply to this
alfnoid
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So what is the upload speed??

with 1.5 down what is the up?
128k? 256? 384?

I know in ex SBC areas it used to be "up to" 384, but in BS areas I don't know what it is.
permalink · 2007-09-12 06:36:05 · Reply to this

AGBell

@cox.net

we don't offer dry pair DSL

new AT&T has significant hardward/software and support labor force that support POTS. it will probably be years (maybe decades) before these assets are written off their ledgers. as the equipment and personnel are in place, they would be foolish not to recover their investment. watching the posts here about new customers calling for this service and being told it's not available/whatever reinforces that the folks at Bedminster are committed to POTS for the longhaul.
permalink · 2007-09-12 09:36:35 · Reply to this

DSL12steps

join:2001-12-24

sealing current?

None of the unbundled loops I've ever tested had any current on them. But the copper does seem to last longer when there is. And those 'dry loops' are a maintenance and diagnostic nightmare. Just like an alarm crcuit. They (dry loops) get stolen by unknowing repair techs all the time. I am not looking forward to 'someone stole your pair' again. Then you add in the RT circuits that are dry, whole 'nother world of crap.
permalink · 2007-09-12 14:25:58 · Reply to this

tky

join:2001-05-16
Carol Stream, IL

Cheaper to do POTS & DSL..

Funny enough, it's still cheaper in Chicagoland to order a phone line and DSL than the "dry loop" plan.

Not sure why I'd want to pay more to have exactly the same thing minus a phone line when I can pay less and just not use POTS... I don't get it.
permalink · 2007-09-12 14:55:00 · Reply to this

maxell752

@speakeasy.net

I have dry DSL in ohio

Speakeasy installed dry DSL in 2005 at my home. Works great. Speakeasy has to charge more than they would for a line with POTS because AT&T charges them a fee for the copper line. I haven't had dial service since 2003. Total with taxes is about $62/mo. 1.5M/384K
permalink · 2007-09-14 01:54:09 · Reply to this
meyerco

join:2001-02-10
Friendswood, TX
·Comcast

AT&T dry loop is a joke


ihad Comcast for serval years (aka roadrunner), I dropped then for this naked or dry loop. Myfirsy bill was 5.95 plus all there bs charges,wich added up to $135.00 FOR 2MGB.
I dropped them in one week. all there telco are in the stoneage.If call your cable provider you can get better

meyerco
permalink · 2007-11-13 22:17:21 · Reply to this
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