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| said by MysticGogeta :Think about it AT&T hands data over to the government left and right do you want to install a browser from them so they can get into your computer more? Fitting that the logo looks like a coiled snake... | |
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| Re: Have to say it: Better off with IE Then this said by Old_Grouch :...the ones that come on dull and are full of gas... Sounds like an Old_Grouch to me...  | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: this is innovation? AT&T will become what AOL was in the world of Dialup... Content, browser, email and portal controller.  -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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join:2001-07-31 Calhoun, GA
| Re: this is innovation? said by en102 :AT&T will become what AOL was in the world of Dialup... Content, browser, email and portal controller. And then the grim reaper will come and put it in its final resting place. Geez, Comcast is looking better all the time. | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: this is innovation? Basically its a case of 'pick your poison'.
AT&T - AT&T sniffing/playing police with media as content police - Eavesdropping on your phone lines with NSA - Reselling who knows what data and to whom - High priced MS IPTV (don't need to spy on anyone.. Windows CE STB's will do it w/o issue) - Forced bundle of TV for VoIP or Internet
Comcast - Network management practices = bad news for many - High(er) priced than most others - Moving basic tiers to higher end packages - and disputes with content providers (Big10?)
I think I'll stay on the indie ISP and DirecTv for a while longer. I was able to get 4 channels of HDA OTA with a set of basic rabbit ears - I wonder what a 'real' antenna would get me. My inlaws get 53 OTA HD channels in the San Fernando Valley. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| said by morbo : destined for failure. I'm not so sure about that. It may turn out that AT&T will include this in the installation CD that is "required" to get online with their service. It could be set as the users' default browser and may automatically launch from some sort of "Connect to the Internet" shortcut installed to the Windows desktop. Remember not all end users are savvy enough to use some sort of consumer grade router to maintain their connection at all times and to know that they can use whatever browser they wish when they have an active connection. They also may not know that they don't have to install any software provided by AT&T in their self-install kit or whatever they do these days. | |
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| Re: this is innovation? i disagree.
imagine the chaos of firefox being installed by default on all new dsl or cable installs. no doubt it will also cause problem with the integration of ie with xp and vista...
not to mention the ill feelings people have toward AT&T. they could at least not be so obnoxious and arrogant about their ambitions. do one of those stupid toolbar search things first. see how it works. THEN attempt a new browser. | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: this is innovation? I guess Fedora Core would be out of the question for AT&T as well. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| said by morbo :i disagree. imagine the chaos of firefox being installed by default on all new dsl or cable installs. An ISP providing/installing a branded browser is not a new thing. Why should this be any different. | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | Re: this is innovation? there's a difference between installing a new browser over "branding" IE, as is usually the case. | |
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| Re: this is innovation? I'm curious what you think the problems will be, and why those problems would stop AT&T from installing their browser as a default. You make some claim about integration problems with XP and Vista. Surely many people use Firefox, Opera, or other non-Microsoft browsers on those platforms. What show-stopping integration problems do you foresee that would stop AT&T from doing such a thing?
For what it's worth I don't use Windows. I don't know of the existence or absence of such problems. I'm not trying to bait you in to anything here. I'm honestly curious if you know of something that would make this a headache that isn't worthwhile for AT&T to try. It is not something I would put past them. | |
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| »arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/pog···ok.ars/1
"We decided once again to step it up and run Pogo on a dual-processor Opteron 256 with two 3GHz CPUs, 4GB of RAM, and an NVIDIA 8800 GT video card with 512MB of VRAM. From here, we were finally able to use Pogo enough to actually find out how well it worksâfor the most part, anyway."
"Keeping a handful of cells open means you are going to take major performance hits and have your resources gobbled up tooâon our Opteron 256 machine, Pogo began to slow down with just three cells open, and with more than that, it became stuttery and annoying to use."
Keep in mind this is a beast of a machine they are running it on. Keep in mind that "Cells" are tabs.
I would be offended if AT&T were to start offering this to me, as apparently they feel I'm an illiterate clod who can only navigate the web with glossy freaking pictures of websites, and that a Website Title isn't enough to distinguish on page from another. | |
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| said by benyto :said by morbo : destined for failure. I'm not so sure about that. It may turn out that AT&T will include this in the installation CD that is "required" to get online with their service. . . Required? Perhaps you were being facetious since required was in quotes, but AFAIK there has never been a requirement to connect your system to AT&T's DSL service using their installation software. In fact, when friends of mine get their service I advise them against using it. But you're right, too many people run that crap because they don't know any better and I'm also sure you're right that it will be one of the foremost installations on their CD. -- Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness. . . Isa. 5:20 | |
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| Re: this is innovation? said by javaMan :Required? Perhaps you were being facetious since required was in quotes More or less. I'm well aware any software provided by AT&T for their DSL installations is not required. | |
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| Hold on a sec...if you know what you are doing with the equiptment provided from AT&T, you don't need the provided software. The IP address of the DSL modem provided from AT&T is 192.168.1.254, when you type this address in your browser, it will take you to the modem setup and all you will need to do is enter your email address and password, and off you go!!! | |
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| Re: this is innovation? said by cerone :Hold on a sec...if you know what you are doing with the equiptment provided from AT&T, you don't need the provided software. Perhaps I needed to add some [sarcasm] tags or some images to my initial post. I thought I had made it clear that the AT&T provided software wasn't actually required. You know, the part that read "They also may not know that they don't have to install any software provided by AT&T". | |
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join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | I wonder if my P4 and PC3200 RAM can handle that browser? [/sarcasm] | |
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money, money, money, money, monnay!!!!  | |
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join:2002-05-07 Lavaca, AR clubs: | Electronic Arts may have an issue with the name.... www.pogo.com is a popular online gaming site owned by them.... | |
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join:2000-09-23 Waldorf, MD | Re: Electronic Arts may have an issue with the name.... Pogo.com is owned by EA (Electronic Arts)
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| Hmmm.... I just got my hands on a Wii and I have to say, the Wii is looking more like the appliance of the future than this browser. News, weather, messages and even some web browsing all in one unit (not even accounting for the games.)
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join:2007-01-10 Prather, CA | Hmmm... <tinfoilhat> Perhaps M$ maid a secret, huge payment to AT&T to do this so that everyone will think "maybe IE isn't so bad after all!" </tinfoilhat> | |
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join:2001-11-10 San Diego, CA | Re: Two Words: This picture just made me crack up for some reason. | |
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  mrchris Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | Security holes I wonder how many holes in the browser there will be on launch. | |
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join:2001-10-21 London, ON | Re: Security holes At least one, large enough for the NSA. | |
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| dead product so the product takes a lot of resources and assumed bandwidth. now att needs to provide the better bandwidth and the cycle continues. The market is already crowded with browsers opera safari firefox ie etc. but i see their point in promoting it. it is nice to see they are embracing firefox. -- Learning how to invest. Sign up to get 3 free trades for you and me each. Personal Message me. Thanks | |
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| Man these people must not be used to betas Aparently these people don't use a beta or alpha much. They are always much more resource intensive than the actual product. Any closed beta I've been in runs a hellva lot slower than the final product.
It looks like an interesting concept, though. -- -M | |
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join:2007-01-13 Tornado, WV | Re: Man these people must not be used to betas Not always Longhorn builds and Beta Vista builds ran better than Windows Vista Final. -- When you ASSUME, you make an ASS out of U and ME. | |
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| Yahoo! Browser Is this going to match in greatness as the Yahoo! browser from days of ole? Man that thing really stormed the market with it's integrated, uh, stuff. Now they come back with a browser that is slow and pointless. What won't these guys come up with? | |
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| Re: Yahoo! Browser said by Maxo : What won't these guys come up with? O, this is a easy one.
1.) More American jobs 2.) Less out sourcing 3.) FiOS 4.) Deployment to unserved areas 5.) Deployment to under severed areas 6.) Faster download speed 7.) Faster upload speeds 8.) Saying no to warrant less wiretaps 9.) Dual HD Feed 10.) Retirement and replacement of copper lines 11.) Truly completive VoIP pricing
Well thats a start anyways. I am sure the list could be added to. | |
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join:2005-04-18 Boca Raton, FL | I hate to say it but. As much as I hate to say it, this is probably going to be a bad ass browser, and make all the others rethink how they do things. And since its mozilla based security shouldn't be a huge problem. | |
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join:2006-10-19 Boston, VA | Wow I thought I was reading the specs off Call of Duty 4 when I saw the system requirements for that thing.
And they call it a browser? | |
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join:2006-01-24 New Albany, IN | Vaderware The New Death Star has a web browser.
Looks like allot of memory is needed with all the visual effects. | |
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  Doctor Four My other vehicle is a TARDIS Premium join:2000-09-05 Dallas, TX | "Piece of bloated crap painted blue"
This phrase probably describes AT&T's new browser perfectly. | |
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| already been done Something very simular (although 2D) to this has been done. A small company called "DirectWeb" tried this, and gave PCs at a cheap price. They failed because they could not get the revenue, nor the customers.
Sometimes bad ideas just keep coming around. -- Is this the right room for an argument? | |
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join:2001-11-13 | How long til? How long until you have rent your browser from AT&T, because you can only use the AT&T browser on the AT&T Internet? | |
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Why can't ISPs be happy as dumb pipes? I've never used anything my ISPs offer. | |
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| They Would be better off ...... Buying and recreating/re-invent AOL's Netscape Nav and fix it from what AOL did to it make a mobile version.
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Asking for Google to help create a browser to fit their needs.
Though ATT cash rich has to spend the money somewhere besides provisioning POTS. | |
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| Re: They Would be better off ...... How about Google creates the browser, WITHOUT AT&T? 
Seriously, those companies are exactly opposite of each other. Google innovative, clued, and fresh. AT&T old, greedy, clueless, and anything but fresh! -- Nitzan Kon, CEO Future Nine Corporation | |
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| Clearly not up on your browser history- for the most part the "Mozilla" development team is an outgrowth of Netscape- AOL shut down most of the division. Firefox is really basically an outgrowth of the old Netscape Navigator (actually, SeaMonkey, the former Mozilla suite, is a more direct successor)... so you already have your Netscape successor. | |
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| ... Yet another brilliant idea from Randal Stephenson's crew. That guy is going to bring AT&T down the toilet faster than you can say "let's outsource it to India".
I refuse to buy AT&T on principal - they're worse than Micro$oft these days. -- Nitzan Kon, CEO Future Nine Corporation | |
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