Search:  

 
 
   News
newer
story category AT&T Again Hints At Bandwidth Crackdown
Peak, off-peak broadband minutes?
03:46PM Monday Sep 15 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: competition · business · bandwidth · networking · AT&T U-Verse · AT&T Southeast · AT&T Midwest
AT&T CTO John Donovan talks to Dow Jones about AT&T's efforts to respond to last quarter's dismal DSL subscriber additions. While the company did add 46,000 subscribers total due to U-Verse, they actually lost 90,000 DSL subscribers thanks to the economy, competition, and according to Donovan - flawed execution. Donovan chats up his company's efforts to correct the losses with new promotions, and his fight against the "perception issue" that AT&T service is slower than cable. However, buried in the otherwise unremarkable conversation is yet another reference by AT&T that they're getting ready to unveil some type of new pricing/consumption model.

AT&T execs and lobbyists have quietly started hinting at metered usage in recent months, and have started dialing up the volume on the network congestion bogeyman rhetoric via their PR and policy outfits. The past six months has already seen Dovovan admit that a shift to metered usage was "inevitable", and that the company would begin testing metered billing this fall. The CTO makes it clear that AT&T execs are still mulling their options, but he raises a new possibility -- somehow forcing heavy users into using their connections more during off-peak hours:
Like Comcast and Time Warner Cable, AT&T will be exploring ways to better control Internet usage by its customers. While the cable companies are looking at capping the amount of bandwidth a person has each month, Donovan said the company is looking at tiered services or perhaps pushing for heavy users to tax the network during off-peak hours. "We don't know how it's going to shake out," he said, noting the services could result in cheaper rates for casual users.
Raise of hands on who thinks any new pricing policy by AT&T results in lower broadband prices for anybody? According to Donovan, about 20% of AT&T network resources are gobbled up by 1% of users, though recent data from AT&T's network suggests that P2P consumption across the backbone is actually decreasing -- and most congestion can be handled by capacity upgrades. How exactly AT&T expects to police data consumption via tiers without imposing monthly caps like Comcast and Time Warner Cable isn't exactly clear -- (maybe peak, off peak broadband minutes?) but it is clear that the company has something cooking in the kitchen.

Related:
  1. AT&T, Verizon Get Their GPON On
  2. AT&T: Usage-Based Pricing 'Inevitable'
  3. Is AT&T Hinting At Usage-Based Pricing This Fall?
  4. 18Mbps U-Verse
  5. AT&T Starts Metered Billing Trial In Reno
  6. More Specifics On AT&T's Cap Plans
  7. Comcast: 50Mbps Now Available In 20% Of Markets
  8. Verizon's Open Development Initiative? So Far It's A Joke
Forums » AT&T Again Hints At Bandwidth Crackdown
view: topics flat text 
Post a:
page: 1 · 2

bigunk
Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto

join:2001-02-10
Santa Clarita, CA

ATT better watch out

This is a warning to you AT&T. Don't screw us around.

ninjatutle
You can keep the "change"

join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
·AT&T U-Verse

Re: ATT better watch out

I agree. I am switching over my family members who are on Comcast to ATT & Directv.

I just switched over my mother's place to Directv and ATT DSl from Comcast Digital Cable and Modem service due to the capagae. I don't live there but I don't want them supporting the capage.

Plus, they were paying $193/month for TV and internet with Comcast. Thats going to hurt Comcast. 1 more household to go.

dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

Re: ATT better watch out

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

I agree. I am switching over my family members who are on Comcast to ATT & Directv.

I just switched over my mother's place to Directv and ATT DSl from Comcast Digital Cable and Modem service due to the capagae. I don't live there but I don't want them supporting the capage.

Plus, they were paying $193/month for TV and internet with Comcast. Thats going to hurt Comcast. 1 more household to go.
»biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080730/new005.html

High-Speed Internet
-- Added 278,000 high-speed Internet subscribers during the second
quarter -- penetration reached 29% of homes passed or 14.4 million
customers.

Yeah, you're going to stab Comcast in the heart! LMAO!
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera

ninjatutle
You can keep the "change"

join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
·AT&T U-Verse

Re: ATT better watch out

Every little bit helps. You'll see the numbers drop as people switch around from deals to deals. I'm doing my best to get all of my friends and family off of Comcast.

I'm sure Comcast will be calling often to try to lure back my mother Who's laughing then? Nearly $200/month from a single customer in lost revenue won't be taken so lightly.
BF69

join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

Re: ATT better watch out

$140 a month for cable? That's nuts. There's not that much on TV worth $140.

dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast


edit:
September 15th, @06:32PM

LOL!
No offense ninja... but $$45.95 less vs 278,000 new HSI *ONLY* customers( x $42.95 per month = $11,940,100.00 per month... HSI ONLY) - they aren't going to notice this single loss.


--
Think outside the Fox... Opera

ninjatutle
You can keep the "change"

join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA
·AT&T U-Verse

Re: ATT better watch out

At least they wont have my mothers household anymore. Thats all that matters to me. Pay attention to the numbers after the rates increase for our area for video »Comcast Video-Only Subscribers See Rate Hike Tons of people will be fed up and walk.

Uverse is gaining steam. Free DVR, free set top boxes, free wifi modem/router, all IP video transmission (no fuzzy channels ) We'll see how the numbers play out.

My mothers household is paying $37.89 in equpitment fees alone $7 outlet fee? WTH?

dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

Re: ATT better watch out

AT&T Again Hints At Bandwidth Crackdown
Peak, off-peak broadband minutes?


Key words on that linked item there friend - *VIDEO ONLY*.
HSI, since this article is about internet, from Comcast has not had a hike in the 5 years I have had it.

Can't wait to see you here bitching if AT&T bones you and your Mother with an insane cap or metered billing.
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera

djrobx

join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME

quote:
Uverse is gaining steam. Free DVR, free set top boxes, free wifi modem/router, all IP video transmission (no fuzzy channels ) We'll see how the numbers play out.
The U-verse additional set tops aren't free anymore.
--
AT&T U-Hearse
Your funeral. Delivered.

Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
Yeah but if more people would vote with their wallets, they couldn't get away with ripping off customers.

ninjatutle
You can keep the "change"

join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA

Re: ATT better watch out

Well, didkins is rich and can afford all the price hikes. He buys a new Viao every year and watches nothing but Blu Ray.

dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast


edit:
September 15th, @07:53PM

Re: ATT better watch out

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Well, didkins is rich and can afford all the price hikes. He buys a new Viao every year and watches nothing but Blu Ray.
dadkins

Not rich - I save my money.
Every 2 years(more or less) I buy me a New VAIO.
Since the new VAIOs I get have BD drives - why not get BDs instead of DVDs? DUH!

Comcast HSI has not had a price hike in the 5 years I have had service... where you at?
Comcast HSI has been stepped up to 16mbps(17.3mbps actual speed(I opted for $10 more for speed years ago))... how's that AT&T doing there for ya ninja?

LOL!
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera
s13

join:2007-12-06
USA
He also uses Opera, which blows ass.

sapo
Computer Love
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA

Re: ATT better watch out

said by s13 See Profile :

He also uses Opera, which blows ass.
Now there is a dumb comment.
s13

join:2007-12-06
USA

Re: ATT better watch out

It's true, documentary FACT.

sapo
Computer Love
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA

Re: ATT better watch out

Blowing ass might be documented in porn, I don't know about anywhere else.
s13

join:2007-12-06
USA

Re: ATT better watch out

They use Opera on porn sets, so there you go.
nevtxjustin

join:2006-04-18
Dallas, TX

Re: ATT better watch out

So then its..."its not over till the fat lady blows"?

dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

said by Dogfather See Profile :

Yeah but if more people would vote with their wallets, they couldn't get away with ripping off customers.
... still won't offset the 278k *NEW* HSI customers per quarter though, will it?
14.4 million and climbing. Yeah. Comcast is just hurting.
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera

Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA

Re: ATT better watch out

Yeah but doesn't AT&T have more HSI subs than Comcast and AT&T only got beat in adds by Comcast when AT&T doubled their intro rates.

sapo
Computer Love
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA

Re: ATT better watch out

Doesn't Comcast also make more money per subscription?

Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
·Verizon FIOS
·Cox VOIP
·Verizon west (ex G..
·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: ATT better watch out

said by sapo See Profile :

Doesn't Comcast also make more money per subscription?
You would have to look at each company's annual report but with Comcast's high rates it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast


edit:
September 15th, @08:34PM

said by Dogfather See Profile :

Yeah but doesn't AT&T have more HSI subs than Comcast and AT&T only got beat in adds by Comcast when AT&T doubled their intro rates.
No idea.
This I found interesting posted above:
"While the company did add 46,000 subscribers total due to U-Verse, they actually lost 90,000 DSL subscribers thanks to the economy, competition, and according to Donovan - flawed execution."

For a net loss of 44,000?

See, some of us look for value in the service(s) we get - and services vary by area.
Bang-For-Buck, here, goes to Comcast.
AT&T here is a whopping 6mbps of you are close enough.

$35 upto 6mbps... no POTS so we get to add that, right?
"SERVICE REQUIRES: DSL modem/gateway/router and qualifying local service from AT&T at time of online order."

$35 and POTS...

»www.att.com/Common/indc/popup/in···ions.htm



"Guaranteed Price for 24 Months: Price guarantee applies to monthly recurring charge for a period of 24 months from date of service, and does not include taxes, fees or excessive bandwidth usage charges."

WTF?

Yeah... Gots to gets me some of that.
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera

Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
·Verizon FIOS
·Cox VOIP
·Verizon west (ex G..
·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable


edit:
September 15th, @08:21PM

Re: ATT better watch out

Value is based on what you're using it for. Comcast got me for $56 for basic HSI unbundled ( the awesome 30% how dare you not have CATV penalty) when I had them. I used to be a Comcast sub so I know they nightmare they were but I've never had AT&T DSL (I had AT&T Broadband which was great before the Comcast nightmare came to town, they didn't have bundling penalties).

dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast


edit:
September 15th, @08:32PM

Re: ATT better watch out

Here, POTS used to be SBC.
Sucked the Big Red one!
SBC bought AT&T and renamed themselves to AT&T - still the same crap lines here.

So, since *HERE* AT&T(SBC) sucked too bad to be sucky, AT&T is not going to happen.
No Uverse, and no chance of FiOS, but Comcast hooked this Wood up with Blast anyways - at no additional cost. Uhm... yeah!

So, as I sit here typing these posts to y'all, it's coming across a far better service provider than what is now AT&T.

See that little image and link above - WTF is "excessive bandwidth usage charges"?
AT&T? El Capo?

Hop on in the SS CapMyLine. We'll all go for a cruise around The Bay!
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera

Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
·Cox HSI
·MegaPath
·Verizon FIOS
·Cox VOIP
·Verizon west (ex G..
·ViaTalk
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable


edit:
September 15th, @09:07PM

Re: ATT better watch out

Someone would have to search far and wide to find POTS that isn't a total rip-off.

You didn't hear about AT&T's new plans? They're going the cap route AND apparently are going to charge overage fees!

I guess doubling the price of intro DSL didn't lose them enough customers.

koma3504
Advocate
Premium
join:2004-06-22
North Richland Hills, TX

excessive bandwidth usage charges

yea what is this and what is the limit ???
I like how they d

Looks like Ill be re-adding another dsl line to my house so I can be sure to avoid this.

I wonder how they will do this for Uverse users since TV runs over ip and uses bandwith. And you can record up to 4 streas at anyone time.
--
† Koma †
If YOu Don't Think It's Possable!! It's Acually A Reality!!The best way to predict the future is to invent it. Alan Kay!!
Ya Don't Know The signal Till Ya Ride It!!
Voice Break's There's Trouble!!!!

Hangmn
Don't Fight It...It's Inevitable
Premium
join:2000-04-08
Philadelphia, PA

Comcast is only hurting when its time for merit increases and bonus calculations..for employees that is...when it time to calculate the Execs they are handing out "dividends" and have had a banner year...the fuckers!!!!
--
»davescustompc.com

bakalao2k

join:2001-03-20
Chicago, IL

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Every little bit helps. You'll see the numbers drop as people switch around from deals to deals. I'm doing my best to get all of my friends and family off of Comcast.

I'm sure Comcast will be calling often to try to lure back my mother Who's laughing then? Nearly $200/month from a single customer in lost revenue won't be taken so lightly.
My last bill was $205

dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

Re: ATT better watch out

said by bakalao2k See Profile :

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Every little bit helps. You'll see the numbers drop as people switch around from deals to deals. I'm doing my best to get all of my friends and family off of Comcast.

I'm sure Comcast will be calling often to try to lure back my mother Who's laughing then? Nearly $200/month from a single customer in lost revenue won't be taken so lightly.
My last bill was $205
Mine was $156.58... but I have CDV and Blast too.
--
Think outside the Fox... Opera

disconnected

@snet.net
$193 for cable? Egads! That's more than the monthly rent on my last apartment!

esc0

@rr.com
I agree. Every account lost is less money for them. And in turn if someone asks you about Comcast you will tell them to not choose them.

Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
Premium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T Yahoo

Here in Time Warner territory, AT&T U-Verse may be slower
than the competition's fastest offering, and more expensive,
but it is much more reliable.

At least in our neighborhood, Time Warner Cable is losing
customers to U-Verse. And their lawn fridge (VRAD) is only
about half a mile away.
--
"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH

Re: ATT better watch out

and you can back this up how?

Steve
ho ho ho dammit
Consultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
Or else what... ?

bigunk
Gort, Klattu Birada Nikto

join:2001-02-10
Santa Clarita, CA

Re: ATT better watch out

You'll have to wait and see. A good poker player keeps his cards close to the vest and has no tell for his opponents to pick up on.

sapo
Computer Love
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA

Re: ATT better watch out

If you can't make 100k subscriptions disappear in 48 hours I would quit trying to talk big.

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
Airliner into Corporate HQ

netgear
Net Gear
Premium
join:1999-12-20
Arlington, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T DSL Service

said by bigunk See Profile :

You'll have to wait and see. A good poker player keeps his cards close to the vest and has no tell for his opponents to pick up on.
Problem is, they know what your cards are, bigunk. One says "I'm Stickin' With Ya!" The other says "See ya!"

That ain't a good hand, even in Baseball.

Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
said by Steve See Profile :

Or else what... ?
They'll have even worse add numbers.
blips

join:2001-04-17
Addison, IL

said by bigunk See Profile :

This is a warning to you AT&T. Don't screw us around.
Where are you going to go? There just are not any choices for broadband. You can have cable with a 250GB cap or DSL with metered usage. After ATT does this it probably will not be long before Verizon starts caps.

See 8 replies to this post

DivineDark

join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:

Typical

Sounds like an attempt to avoid upgrading speeds by metering data. The end result is less data going across the network due to increased cost on consumers but the company still rakes in billions.

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ

Re: Typical

said by DivineDark See Profile :

Sounds like an attempt to avoid upgrading speeds by metering data. The end result is less data going across the network due to increased cost on consumers but the company still rakes in billions.
BINGO!
oversell and no upgrades to network plus pay extra for substandard service.
"We don't have to care, We're the TELEPHONE COMPANY!"
--
When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee

sousademiami

join:2003-02-04
Miami, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast

So...

Lemme get this straight. AT&T is losing customers like mad, and their solution is a less-for-more approach? That should work.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it did given that these companies can just lie lie lie in their ads and most people are none the wiser.
--
OASAASLLS

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME

Re: So...

Big corp upper management is smoking some bad stuff.
Unfortunately, management is probably going to try and 'hide' that info, and boost their bottom line on the $/MB hoping that they'll keep customers by kicking sales somehow.

quote:
and according to Donovan - flawed execution
Well - YEAH.
Lets see, where shall I start.
- Uverse TV bundles, but cancelling new subscriptions to VoIP
- No Uverse Voice
- No Indie DSL + POTS --> Uverse transition
- Expensive service in a tight market.
- Difficult to order service (i.e. Internet only)

I was initially excited about service... then found out that voip wasn't available (Uverse Voice), then found out I couldn't port (Vonage or CallVantage) because of DSL line, then found out that AT&T wanted to push TV and not Internet... Now they're only starting to come around. Too late, TWC took my service.
--
Canada = Hollywood North

sluggish

@sbcglobal.net

Capping speeds

They don't have to. My apartment wiring is already capping the speed to 1676 download speed. Doesn't matter what I buy, just can't get the thru put. As usual, some "brilliant" manager figures its better to harm the whole community than address the 1% heavy users. Deal with the problem people!!!

jwhorfin
Premium
join:2000-10-22
Torrington, CT
clubs:

Re: Capping speeds

"they actually lost 90,000 DSL subscribers thanks to the economy, competition"
They lost 90,000 customers because for a few more dollars a month I could go from 2,500 down (Pro) to 13,000 download with Optimum...Boy that's a real tough decision
Maybe they should pull their heads out of the sand, or butts or wherever they have them stuck and look around before they have 0 customers!
--
" Laugh while you can ... monkey boy "

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME

Re: Capping speeds

In my case, they lost be because I went from
- POTS ($40 + $5/Canada + fees = ~$57/month)
- DSL Pro $27/month
= $84

To
- HSI 6Mbps/512kbps
- Digital + Analog TV
- Unlimited VoIP
= $89/month

Do the math.
--
Canada = Hollywood North

P Ness
You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already
Premiu