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meskinct
This space for rent
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join:2002-01-07
Danbury, CT
clubs: | Re: OUTSTANDING!!! "The telco earned $3.1 billion last quarter..."
I see your predictions of AT&T's doom are coming true.  | |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! said by meskinct  :"The telco earned $3.1 billion last quarter..." I see your predictions of AT&T's doom are coming true. Which actually is one of the main reasons why I rant on them so much.
I mean..it's not like they don't actually have the money to build a truly state of the art broadband fiber network.
Instead, they'll pass it along to their shareholders in the form of yet another dividend while sticking their heads completely in the sand as to what is unfolding around them.
AOL was also making huge amounts of money before their demise as well.
It is actually unreal how mismanaged this company is.
After all this time they've managed to cough up just a little over 200k customers for this monstrosity of a service. But yet..they continue on.
Unreal is all I can say..especially seeing the writing is clearly on the wall..and they can afford to rectify it still ..but don't.
Goodbye AT&T.
Stay on this path and you will be out of business in the not too distant future.
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dmeyer
join:2002-08-14
Austin, TX
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| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! said by Rick :Stay on this path and you will be out of business in the not too distant future. Yeah, because there's no way our upstanding politicians in Washington (who are bought by AT&T lobbyists) would give them some kind of rescue/bailout package in that ever-so-likely event.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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January 24th, @12:57PM
| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! said by meskinct :Yeah, that whole wireless business thing will never work for them. It's about servicing the sweet spot of the market. The sweet spot is not the bleeding edge. That's not where money is made. VDSL has more throughput than even DOCSIS 3, so they are not even using the potential of what their system is capable of. Unless their equipment is substandard they should be able to offer much higher speeds.
They are giving the same speeds to people who are utilizing FTTH to access UVERSE. 6-1, or 10-1, is not ramping up, it's a shadow of what VDSL can do on the download, and upload capability is symmetrical. So they are continuing on artificially crippling upload speeds.
Sweet spot = crippled network ?
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join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·AT&T Southeast
·Mediacom
| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! How is the network crippled? Do Verizon open up their FIOS offerings to "un-cripple" their network? Do cablecos open up their DOCSIS offerings to "un-cripple" their network? No. To even insinuate that AT&T is crippling their network instead of selling a standard set of services to their customer base (like almost every other provider does) is silly. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
·Cruzio Internet
| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! said by openbox9 :How is the network crippled? Do Verizon open up their FIOS offerings to "un-cripple" their network? Do cablecos open up their DOCSIS offerings to "un-cripple" their network? No. To even insinuate that AT&T is crippling their network instead of selling a standard set of services to their customer base (like almost every other provider does) is silly. Because the reality of it is, we can see what a network should be by looking at the world.
You can try and make people believe the opposite, but we can see it, there it is, and there are on site witnesses 
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join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | Re: OUTSTANDING!!! So what should a network be by looking at the world? | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! This is A`merica, 10x better than anyone! So there is your base point. Look around for the best network around the world and beat it by 10x. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! said by gaforces :This is A`merica, 10x better than anyone! So there is your base point. Look around for the best network around the world and beat it by 10x. That died when America got rid of protective import tariffs/CEOs learned the word "China". | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| You realize each TV takes a massive chunk of that VDSL line, Uverse was never intended to be an internet product, only TV, internet was an afterthought. I do hope for the day where ATT offers "Dry Uverse Internet", with 20 or 30mbit down and 2-5 up. I wonder if the VRAD modems can work on dry lines, and get extra speed by using Voice freq. This is also verging into the topic of line bonding. | |
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join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| said by Rick :...while sticking their heads completely in the sand as to what is unfolding around them. Pot calling the kettle black... | |
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join:2007-06-09
Goldsboro, NC
| said by Rick :said by meskinct :"The telco earned $3.1 billion last quarter..." I see your predictions of AT&T's doom are coming true. Which actually is one of the main reasons why I rant on them so much. I mean..it's not like they don't actually have the money to build a truly state of the art broadband fiber network. Instead, they'll pass it along to their shareholders in the form of yet another dividend while sticking their heads completely in the sand as to what is unfolding around them. AOL was also making huge amounts of money before their demise as well. It is actually unreal how mismanaged this company is. After all this time they've managed to cough up just a little over 200k customers for this monstrosity of a service. But yet..they continue on. Unreal is all I can say..especially seeing the writing is clearly on the wall..and they can afford to rectify it still ..but don't. Goodbye AT&T. Stay on this path and you will be out of business in the not too distant future. Well you been on this rant for months and years now Rick. Still no demise of AT&T like you forecasted. Their gaining money and customer base as fast as you can type. So when is the fall of AT&T suppose to happen mr Comcast Rick?? Lol!!! | |
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join:2007-09-26
Westland, MI | The just order a T1, T3, OC1-3 from your cable provider. oh wait...you cant. | |
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Matt
You can't fix stupid
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! said by attengineer :The just order a T1, T3, OC1-3 from your cable provider. oh wait...you cant. You can get up to a GigE and even faster from most cable companies. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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January 25th, @12:14AM
| Re: OUTSTANDING!!! For 25% of Telephone company price I hope you don't miss that new car you were thinking of getting, since thats your monthly fee now! | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: OUTSTANDING!!! Can you pick a subject I have no knowledge of so I can pontificate likewise? | |
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@cox.net
| said by attengineer :The just order a T1, T3, OC1-3 from your cable provider. oh wait...you cant. Not entirely accurate. There is T1 over cable, it's called VYYO. And T3, OC1-3 and higher connections are too expensive for residential folks to pay for. So who cares? | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| And Im still waiting for one, even though im in a single family house in a downtown area with some multistory office building around me, I drive 10 block in any direction, I hit VRADs. Its piecemeal shit. But ATT has started to open multiple ATT stores and remodel Cingular stores to heavily heavily push Uverse, to whom, I have no clue, but the TVs are there. I wonder how all these stores get Uverse for the instore displays even though there is no Uverse around them?
Multiple bonded T1s/SDSL/HDSL lines or T3 grade/business grade fiber from Central Office? | |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
Ajax, ON | Kablamo! I expect to see VRADS exploding at the same rate. It's just math.
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: Kablamo! Kinda like how all airliners blow up and crash. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Re: Kablamo! And I'm talking about a technological fluke that had nothing inherit to do with the service.
Telco's have been running cabinets in the field for decades. Oooooooo 4 blew up! Everybody panic! | |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
Ajax, ON
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| Re: Kablamo! A fluke would be one, not 4. Quality control on an issue of safety isn't allowed to be 99% effective. It has to be 100%.
So i guess AT&T is overreacting replacing 17,000 units?
Unfortunately it often takes disaster to wake people up. Columbia had to explode before intense inspection protocols had to be instated on the heat shielding, and before people dropped the 'meh - it'll be fine' attitude.
So by your standards -- how many VRADS need to explode before something should be done? Or would you wait for an injury or death? Maybe more than one, it might take a couple lawsuits to balance out the replacement of 17,000 batteries no?
And it has everything to do with the service. AT&T clearly cut corners on the battery supplier, shown by the fact they're now out of business. There's truth to the saying you get what you pay for. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
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January 24th, @08:50PM
| Re: Kablamo! 4 out of literally thousands of remote solutions. What is a fluke to you? Less than 0.0001%? They're being replaced as a precaution. Cable TV installers have killed more people than exploding VRAD's. | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ | U-Verse Voice How many of those subscribe to U-Verse Voice? | |
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join:2004-08-27
Dallas, TX | Re: U-Verse Voice I doubt they'd report that, considering they just launched it on Tuesday. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: U-Verse Voice They offficially launched it in Detroit.
Not so sure if its available anywhere else yet.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Why did ATT release such an unprofitable product (VOIP)? aren't they eating away their POTS division? or is this a case of left hand not talking to right hand? | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ | Re: U-Verse Voice Yes, they are eating away their "POTS division". It's considered too expensive to run, too old to upgrade, too many gov't regulations, and to top it off, they have to share it with CLECs (whoever is left) at a discount price (UNE-P, UNE-L). | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: U-Verse Voice said by verolom :Yes, they are eating away their "POTS division". It's considered too expensive to run, What about USF money? That only works on POTS.
too old to upgrade,
What is POTS supposed to be upgraded to? ISDN? There is no upgrade path. Also upgrading means loosing money, longer you use old equipment, more value you extract out of it.
too many gov't regulations,
Doesn't that guarantee nice expensive things such as T1s to sell?
and to top it off, they have to share it with CLECs (whoever is left) at a discount price (UNE-P, UNE-L).
You have a point, but doesn't the telco still get to charge more for UNE-L to CLECS than they do on internal books or get more profit out of UNE-L? Plus isn't UNE-L more expensive for CLECs to use (put your own equipment in the CO, pay for racks/sq/cages)?
Wasn't UNE-P ruled illegal by the FCC or something?
My other theory is, ATT thinks that if customers will be running anyways, they might as well run to a lesser profit ATT service, than a non-ATT service (0 profit). | |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eatontown, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: U-Verse Voice T is a business, and a public corporation. Their purpose is to "enhance shareholder value". Everything they do is predicated by that. You want to question their wisdom, apply for a job there and see who listens | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| It's 2008! Ok, it's 2008, but for AT&T.. welcome to 1996. DSL close enough to deliver what Verizon (ahem, I mean Bell Atlantic/GTE) was doing back close to a decade ago--minus the video and on a smaller footprint/scale. Add in the coalescing of the evil empire / death star analogy.. and you've go the NEW back to the future AT&T.
Then again, I'm sure those who have been out in the cold with dial-up for so long will welcome the boost in speeds. For the rest who have been spoiled with cablemodems, & satellite tv, and cheap voip, bah humbug. BTW, no news on CHURN rates?
Those who throw up their hands and say.. cancel the account.. hope they don't get transfered to the former AOL customer service employees.. or we're bound to hear this on youtube. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: It's 2008! Areas without Cable are too low ROI/low density/unprofitable for ATT to ever put Uverse there. If you dont have Cable right now, you will never have Uverse unless a developer builds something new near you and signs a contract with ATT. Same as with FIOS. None of these telcos are remotely doing "universal service" with their products or being a charity/sympathetic to rural areas. | |
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join:2008-01-14
Katy, TX
| Re: It's 2008! thats not necessarily the case...
AT&T is going to look at it like Microsoft did with the computer in every home., they are going to try and put Uverse service in every home they can... Mark my words, Uverse is just the tip of the ice berg when it comes to the growth of this product....
Verizon and AT&T are going to market thier products and try to stake their claim to certain areas..
I am a new Uverse user but so far I am a huge supporter to this type of service. I have been waiting for this since my father in law in Lafayette Louisiana told about the Louisian Utility Service was trying to get a budget passed to lay more fiber in the ground for IPTV and Internet services so there would be a choice other than COX. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: It's 2008! I agree with you saying ATT is trying/is/will be a personality cult with its brand. Since in my OP, im talking about rural service, I assume you disagree with me on that. I don't see any financial, or logical reason for ATT or Verizon to wire rural areas. Only reason they have service now is USF/mandatory service by FCC sanctioned, implimented by State PUCs "provider of last resort" rules. FCC won't allow those rules to be extended to any new services, and most state PUCs have been bought off and have de-regulated/de-tarrifed services, so telcos have no obligation to provide you anything other than POTS now (which still is tarrifed). ISDN used to be a tarrifed service which had to be available everywhere POTS is, now in NY state Verizon at most will use a reach extender for loops upto 22Kft, or just deny you at 18kft as far as I've read.
TN I belive still has tariffed ISDN, $45 for the line, unlimited hours, anywhere in the state, only state of its kind. I applaude them. This page shows then as having the 2nd cheapest unlimited ISDN in USA »lists.essential.org/1996/info-po···012.html
Things may have changed by now. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | Verizon reported 206k customer on FiosTV last year. Considering that they started a year before ATT it's seems like they're keping pace quite well. | |
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guardfrog
join:2004-08-27
Dallas, TX
| Look At The Numbers According to today's earnings announcement: "pre-holiday weekly install rate of approximately 12,000, ramping to 40,000 by the end of 2008."
"Targeting more than 1 million in service by the end of 2008."
12,000 NEW CUSTOMERS PER WEEK AND SOME OF YOU ARE SAYING THIS ISN'T GOING WELL???
Anyone suggesting that things are bad--or doomed--at AT&T clearly has no clue what they're talking about. They're just trying to save face since their dire predictions on the fate of U-verse haven't shown any truth whatsoever.
AT&T has clearly shown they can scale this service and that it works. Next challenge is multiple HD streams, which AT&T has said will be coming later this year. | |
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| JSRoman
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Re: cash cow declining quickly How about these numbers?
Total wireline loses for year 2,073,000/4 = 518250 lines per quarter.
In-Region Wireline 2
Total Consumer Revenue Connections (000) 12/31/07 12/31/06
Retail Consumer Access Lines 35,047 37,120 -5.6%
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icp1
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Saint Louis, MO
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| Re: cash cow declining quickly said by JSRoman :How about these numbers? Total wireline loses for year 2,073,000/4 = 518250 lines per quarter. In-Region Wireline 2 Total Consumer Revenue Connections (000) 12/31/07 12/31/06 Retail Consumer Access Lines 35,047 37,120 -5.6% Poor, but mostly meaningless, considering 80% of revenue is now wireless and business. | |
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join:2004-08-27
Dallas, TX | Hilarious. Apparently, you haven't noticed that wireline isn't AT&T's "cash cow" anymore. Wireless is.
Which is why the company today announced a Q4 net profit gain of 62%. | |
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Callahan, FL
| Re: uverse bah, wireless yah! So as an investor, going forward in the current climate, you think they are going to see that type of increase again? Not to mention what they said about non-pay disconnects a couple of weeks ago. Please tell me you are long on T for the dividend.
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Lakewood, OH
clubs: | filtering if they enact the filtering in my area they will see the subscribers start to go. including me
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sphinxguy18
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join:2008-01-13
Cleveland, OH
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| AT&T Still SUCKS when it comes to WWW I'm defianly NOT a DSL fan at all! Oh wow, 6mb down 1mb up, wow that is so blazing fast .... NOT. Especially for the price, it's defiantly NOT worth it. I mean for the price of ATT U-Verse and being limited by 1 HD channel at a time and crappy unreliable www isn't worth it.
Listen here I can stream as many HD channel I want and have speeds for my www up to 20 megs down and 2megs up and not have to worry about the service. Not to mention pay the same price as your STUPID ATT U-Verse!
Who ever has ATT U-Verse, I'm sorry, you'll either go back to Verizon FIOS or back to your cable company very very soon! Enjoy getting stroked! | |
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@rcn.com | more fiber please that number does not include churn rate, disconnects, etc. people cancel shortly after it is installed after they realize they cant watch more than 1 hd channel at a time. fttn architecture is outdated. ftth is way to go! | |
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AT&T: 231,000 U-Verse Customers
