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join:2004-07-11
Livonia, MI | Hmm will Atari 2600 make a come back then? Still got my Atari 2600 and 50 games for it.
Can't wait for it to come roaring back to life.
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tapeloop
1959. I try to kick the ball. I miss.
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| Re: Hmm will Atari 2600 make a come back then? said by Jason Levine  :Hey, there were some good games for the 2600. I still have mine and about 400 games including the incredible Star Raiders. Ahhh...take me back...I'd play it too if I could find that blasted keypad.
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Silver and Black and blue in 2009
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| Re: Huh ? said by L337 :So what does this means ? Game publishing companies will begin to go bankrupt (it's already happening) and smaller development houses will merge with bigger ones for survival......Games will continue to be stale and imitiative instead of innovative and console companies that depend on Game Sales to make up for the income lost on the hardware will feel the pinch for many years to come.
Just consider it a Video Game "Ice Age" where only the strong will survive and survival of the fittest and all that...  | |
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join:2005-07-16
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| Re: Huh ? said by Logan 5 :said by L337 :So what does this means ? Game publishing companies will begin to go bankrupt (it's already happening) and smaller development houses will merge with bigger ones for survival......Games will continue to be stale and imitiative instead of innovative and console companies that depend on Game Sales to make up for the income lost on the hardware will feel the pinch for many years to come. Just consider it a Video Game "Ice Age" where only the strong will survive and survival of the fittest and all that... If it crashes, another iceage than we can expect nintendo to come out of this without a frost bite. Nintendo will be on a nice warm beach sipin on magaretias while Microsoft and Sony duke it out in Hell or under the ice. Microsoft to release 10 more Halo's while Sony releases more Final Fantasy's and and probably Killzone in the mix just to survive. | |
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join:2003-04-11
Seabrook, NH | Re: Huh ? Uh, are you sure on that one?
Nintendo is the biggest offender of all when it comes to releasing the same old stuff all the time.
Although they do have innovation on their side with the Revolution, but it may or may not work out... | |
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Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| Re: Huh ? said by philburg2 :Nintendo is the biggest offender of all when it comes to releasing the same old stuff all the time. It only seems that way because Nintendo likes to stick to a core group of characters thus you have Mario64 which is nothing like Mario Sunshine which is nothing like Paper Mario.
Think about it, even 6 Mario Parties pales in comparison to the dozens of Haloish FPS clones.
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1959. I try to kick the ball. I miss.
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| said by Combat Chuck :It only seems that way because Nintendo likes to stick to a core group of characters thus you have Mario64 which is nothing like Mario Sunshine which is nothing like Paper Mario. Think about it, even 6 Mario Parties pales in comparison to the dozens of Haloish FPS clones. Hmmm...Nintendo sounds like the Mac of the console world.
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form what i have been hearing around my town
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Huh? What?
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Pasadena, TX | Re: Huh ? Nintendo can't force any pawn shop to destroy old machines.
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| said by philburg2 :Uh, are you sure on that one? Nintendo is the biggest offender of all when it comes to releasing the same old stuff all the time. Nintendo is also the only one making any money on all this game stuff. If hard times are coming (and I'm not so sure I agree with that) then Nintendo is in the catbird seat. | |
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ieolus
Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA
| Wrong No. The movies you sited (Star Wars, The Godfather, Jaws) were made in the 70s before Hollywood's crash and the crap that they make now.
So instead of Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back now we get crap: Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones/Revenge of the Sith.
The Lord of the Rings, for all it's great visuals, raped major parts of the books so that they would draw bigger audiences. It is all junk nowadays. | |
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@rr.com | Re: Wrong Empire and Jedi came out in the 80s
Jedi was a little gay, just a little. f%$*ing bears | |
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New York, NY | xbox 360 lets all buy xbox 360's for $2,000 on ebay! | |
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join:2004-02-16
Poughkeepsie, NY | Too expensive The $400+ price tag on the latest system puts console gaming out of reach for a lot of people. Adding another $60 per game throws salt on the wound. | |
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| said by Omega :said by sharksfan3 :The $400+ price tag on the latest system puts console gaming out of reach for a lot of people. Adding another $60 per game throws salt on the wound. Actually, they are 'tested' the $60 game. The Halo 2 collector's edition was $60, and many many people bought that. This proved that people were willing to spend $60 on a single game. actually what it proves is that people are willing to spend $60 on the hype that an upcoming title generates... whether that game or product is actually good is a matter of opinion... ask yourself this question then... if you went to a movie and the movie sucked big donkey balls, would you go to the manager and ask for your money back because the movie, which is a product you paid for did stand up to your standards...? if you saw this particular movie you would understand where i'm coming from... if you saw the first matrix, you remember the, holy cow this is fantastic factor right...? now if you saw the other two sequels could you say that same thing when you plucked down your 10 plus concession money to see two sequels that were a part of the story, but stunk nonetheless...? now people would argue with me about whether or not they stunk, but that's up to you to decide...
it's the same with any product you buy and if you are a developer and your are asking a $60 retail unit price, that product better be something special besides the hype... otherwise people will just blow it off and either want their money back or not get it at all... | |
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| Re: Too expensive said by Omega :I pay $5.25 for movies, i don't know where your getting those high figures from. $5.25 is the matinee price here in LA, CA...if you're lucky. Normal adult adminsion can run anywhere from $9-11. Plus, you figure in sitting down to some popcorn and soda...that's another $10 per person. A night out to the movies is roughly $20 per person once yer done. | |
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1959. I try to kick the ball. I miss.
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| Re: Too expensive said by Thaler :$5.25 is the matinee price here in LA, CA...if you're lucky. Normal adult adminsion can run anywhere from $9-11. Plus, you figure in sitting down to some popcorn and soda...that's another $10 per person. A night out to the movies is roughly $20 per person once yer done. Good point. But $20 is the basic package.
If you don't have free parking, there's another $5-10. Cabbing it or taking the train would be $5-$20 r/t. (If you're in L.A. you're probably driving. )
Got kids? Babysitters are another $20-$30 (wild guess since I'm childless).
I'd much rather spend $20/mo. for Netflix. That home theater setup would pay for itself after a year or two.
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| Re: Too expensive said by tapeloop :Got kids? Babysitters are another $20-$30 (wild guess since I'm childless). Pfft. That's what closets are for. Builds character.
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
| Your right about that.
That's why there are still the old Sega's and Nintendo boxes around here. 400 clams just for the box is just crazy and don't get me started on the cost of the games. Over half those are not worth the DVD they are burnt on. | |
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join:2003-12-11
Osseo, MN | Remember the Sega Saturn was $400 at launch for just a core/no game packed in. | |
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join:2001-02-26
Layton, UT
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| This happened before..... and it will happen again.
I remember the heyday of the Atari 2600. I also remember Mattel's Intellivision and Coleco's Colecovision systems. Both of these had Atari emulators. Atari even came out with the 5200 and 7800 before dying out.
It wasn't until the fist generation Nintendo system, did video consoles come back into homes.
Soon, consoles will become more expensive and many parents will reconsider buying a new console every 2 or 3 years especially with all they invested in games for their current consoles. | |
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join:2003-08-20
South Lyon, MI
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| Re: This happened before..... Maybe nintendo has it right again by coming out with a much cheaper console that focuses more on gameplay than on graphics (which significantly drives up cost).
If nintendos controller motion sensor is as good as they say it is the system could be a huge hit. Playing an fps on a console would finally be justifiable (i like the xbox's set up for fps games right now, but it is still lacking the accuracy of the mouse). | |
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@rr.com | Re: This happened before..... the constant innovator, i think, and it may be a stretch, that the big N's Rev will save the industry. i look at the 360 and the ps3 and i think, wow shiny.... *same* games, terrible control, but shiny. | |
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join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | Re: This happened before..... You got it!
However, XBOX will throw in the towel b4 PS. | |
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join:2005-03-30
Saint Louis, MO | Re: This happened before..... Not really.. Microsoft has $$$ to lose. Sony on the other hand doesn't. If the PS3 and Blu-Ray does not get over %70 of the market then their in for a world of hurt financially. | |
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join:2001-12-31
Wilkes Barre, PA | MMORPG and Online FPS I think that there will continue to be a market niche for these genres of games. Other games maybe not so much. After all, how many times can they reinvent the GTA wheel? | |
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This is like Deja vu all over again.
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join:2005-01-30
Jacksonville, FL
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| Re: MMORPG and Online FPS said by xlimitx :I think that there will continue to be a market niche for these genres of games. Other games maybe not so much. After all, how many times can they reinvent the GTA wheel? Even these games are a lot alike. The fact that so many more are about to hit the web doesn't encourage me that there will be more variety.
Right now everyone is just reinventing the wheel when they need to invent something unique and different.
I agree with another poster, this will be good for the industry....let it crash. | |
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| Gaming ? I Game way too much! My favorite game is a MUD called Kingdom of the Lost (KoTL). It is free, multi-user, and up 24-7 (unless the server crashes). It does not require a geewiz-golly-need-a-$800-video-card, the latest Intel or AMD processor, 2 gigs of memory, and an expensive low ping internet connection (although 256K minimum DSL is nice). It is text based, so the demands on the line are minimal. Been playing it for about 5 or 6 years now.
Oh, did I say most MUDs are free? Well, almost, you do need an internet connection. And some of the better telnet clients designed for MUD gaming do cost 20 or 30 USD, if you are lazy like me.
Who needs the overpriced over-cheese-caked, eye candied shooter games that are the current industry rage. I liked the old Ultima, Wizardry, SSI D&D, and similar games.
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I Vant Blud
join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ
| Handhelds and Arcades I can see that handhelds might be soon becoming more popular with better graphics and more features that can actually help the fact that it can go with you. Then virtual reality may come around which would possibly mean the return of immense popularity of arcades, which is already happening in some areas. | |
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In Debt we trust
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Grove City, PA
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| one word.. ZOMBIES Honestly, how many movies and games have come out lately with zombies? Too many if you ask me..
I can't understand why so many people flock to the theaters to see the latest recycled trash that hollywood keeps producing, I swear the only few good movies I've seen were produced/directed by Jerry Bruckheimer
The industry needs more games like Splinter Cell and HL2
Which brings up a good reason I don't like buying xbox games, $50 for something as crappy as Hitman or Mechassult only to find out they SUCK after you drop the cash is just stupid
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We don't miss you Bush
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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
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join:2001-10-10
Charles Town, WV | Worse than that. I am a Zelda player from the first game. And Mario. Both princesses keep getting caught by their respective bad bosses, and I keep coming back for more. Bring on The Twilight Princess!! Yes, it is a sickness. | |
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join:2002-06-13
Ottsville, PA | ... console games have always been in the $50-$60 range at launch.
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join:2002-08-13
Los Angeles, CA | Re: ... see SNES... tack on inflation and you have games going into the 90$-100$ range. | |
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@rr.com | Re: ... i remember that, my brother got jurassic park for 80 and starfox was at montgomery ward for 79 also | |
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DMWCincy
join:2004-04-27
Fairfield, OH
| I for one welcome a gaming crash. Get rid of some of the of these huge companies like EA that eat up a lot of great development teams and force feed gamers rehashed ideas of games. My hope a crash like the Atari crash will wipe the board clean and will force the survivors to reinvent themselves and take a different approach to creating games. | |
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join:2002-08-05
Dunfermline, IL
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| Re: ... EA will implode eventually with or without a widespread gaming crash. They don't give a shit about developing or publishing quality games.
However, I think that eventually the gaming biz really will mirror Hollywood, and small development houses will scrape together the necessary funds to distribute innovative (art-house) games in limited numbers or only via the 'net. These games will become popular from critical acclaim and word of mouth and the really good ones will receive mainstream attention. It is only a matter of time before video games are considered to be a 'serious' art form. | |
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| I think mos of you are missing the point in terms of new ocnsoles. These days they aren't so much about being dedicated to gaming. It's about bridging the divide between PC and console.
The XBOX 360 is just another step in that direction. I think the next time we see a new XBOX, it will be a fullfledged PC, with built DVR capabilities, DVD playback and recording, suprior graphics rendering, etc. If you ask me with XBOX 360s technical specs, the premium package at under $500 is a steal. How much would you pay for the equivalent PC if they even made one?
The developement of these systems are crucial to pushing the industry beyond where its at. Currently developers have to spend millions to design their games to run on hundreds of different PC components. Console systems provide these companies huge cost savings by having to only develope for one system or two systems that they can count on every person having the capabilities to play their game.
Why do you see little or no VR games now? No one has the equipment so why spend time on developement that less then 1 tenth of 1 percent can even use. | |
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join:2004-12-21
Horsham, PA
·Comcast
| Re: ... atarijames, I would have to agree with you on the most part, but 60$ per-game is going to be the biggest turn off. Most games that I buy, I wined up beating with in a week. So I am finding it harder and harder to buy since I am being more selective in my purchases.
I think we will see a crash, but what will be the savor, will be MMO's/RTS for companies like EA and the such. If they follow what the Chinese and Koreans have done, it will be the wave of the future. I also think that you will see monthly subscriptions cove multiple games instead of one. | |
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Other Things On My Mind
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I think mos of you are missing the point in terms of new ocnsoles. These days they aren't so much about being dedicated to gaming. It's about bridging the divide between PC and console.
The XBOX 360 is just another step in that direction. I think the next time we see a new XBOX, it will be a fullfledged PC, with built DVR capabilities, DVD playback and recording, suprior graphics rendering, etc. If you ask me with XBOX 360s technical specs, the premium package at under $500 is a steal. How much would you pay for the equivalent PC if they even made one?
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We just have to wait until someone gets bored enough to do an autopsy on one and find out where to solder on the proper connections to the MB, and someone else to hack it.
I don't think it's a step in that direction as there are gaming PC's that are sold by companies charging thousands for those PCs, and those companies are profitable, meaning that serious PC gamers are willing to pay a premium price. If they can't pay it at once, the upgrade market will take them there, one part at a time. All the new high-end video cards still coming out, and other technological improvements are available to anyone willing to pay the money. A sub $200 console is no longer a requirement, your high-end cell phone or PDA cost that much or more!
As broadband continues to become faster and more prevalent, the gaming console is just a rendering engine as gaming will move more and more on-line, with revenues drawn more from the never-ending monthly fees than individual game purchases. Monthly on-line fees are the blade for this particular 'razor.'
I will be happy to purchase any PC that Microsoft pays more than 50% for, but I doubt that this would ever happen. I trust that you've seen the articles showing that the PARTS COST of an XBOX 360 is $525 but that retailers are selling it $400. They purchased it for not more than $300 and most likely, $250 (I've found web articles implying $260 if you buy 1,000). It should be selling in the $1K range. So, MS is underwriting the console costs significantly. I don't think that with a projection of 5.5million by July (a net loss of $300 a machine or close to $1.65 billion) that they are going to make it up selling $60 retail games costing $20-30 wholesale. This is an out and out war against other systems, IMHO. No other mfr can afford to spend that kind of money to match.
Since the Intel platform has been dropped; MS has (we assume) ported a lot of it's current code once again to a PPC platform. I have not seen any articles on what operating systems may also run on that chip or heard any rumors of VISTA being released on a PPC chip, like 'NT for PPC' of the late 90's. A high performance desktop/laptop using the IBM PPC Cell design seems quite a way off unless it's compatible with the PPC Linux distros or IBM has a operating system for it laying about.
All this pricing does explain a recent laptop ad I saw where if you wanted to upgrade from XP Home to XP Pro and MS Office Pro 2003 was a $480.00 surcharge. The laptop (a Thinkpad r50?) was under $800. This is a clear explanation of why MS can toss a couple billion to gain market share.
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Seattle, WA
| The problem with the recent games is that they are too complicated for casual users: I don't want to manage a baseball team, negotiate contracts, make trades, or spend hundreds of hours to 'finish' a FPS. I just want to be able to sit down, play for 20 minutes, and have fun. All that other crap feels too much like work.
My favorite game all-time is Hockey for the Super Nintendo: Choose from three player types and go. Learning curve? Ten minutes. Then it's just about playing and having fun for any amount of time.
We paid about $200 for our first console (well, my parents did when I was a kid). It was an Intellivision. So $400 in inflation adjusted dollars isn't too much for me to spend now if there were at least a few games I thought I'd enjoy and that I thought wouldn't suck up too much of my time, or my kid's time.
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cao1964
join:2000-08-09
Danville, PA
| I don't see this happening sound like the doom and gloom of the movie industry and the IMAX, sure maybe there will be a few less games coming out, or the games may take a few more months to come out, or a year, but I don't see the end of the gamming industry, to much doom sayers and no real substance.
A few companies will merge, who does not do that now a days, but over all games will continue to be good.
New games will come out, and inovation will still have its day, sure we will all not get everything we want but over all I don't see any real problems. | |
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@verizon.n | Does anybody knows where to find an XBOX360 emulator for pc and some ROMS or ISO to download so I can play games in my powerful computer:D;) | |
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join:2003-03-05
Sedalia, MO
| With the high cost of the consoles who can afford to buy 5-6 games at $60-$70 a pop. You end up paying more for the games than the console.
I looked and then gasped at the cost of the games.... I'll pass and spend the $$$ on a computer and scrounge a few older games for it. Be out of pocket about the same and actually have something I can use. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| It's not a collapse of the gaming industry... it's the collapse of the big budget, multi-platform releases which have to pick a safe genre to get any funding.
Everyone else can run in terror, I'll sit and look forward to what the small indie developer has in store. I'll look forward to more stuff like BugBrain and less "Generic FPS X-treme 14". Tho it's gonna suck to be anyone who doesn't game on a PC or Nintendo hardware.
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join:2005-10-05
| You know, if PC's had better uniformity with thier games, video cards, and had good universal controllers that were easy to use and needed no programming, i could see them wipe out video game counsoles. One thing I noticed is that since video games went to 32-bit digitization has gone the way of the dinosaur. The thing I dont understand is why? I thought digitized characters like in games like Mortal Kombat were really inovative because instead of making a cartoon out of a person, they actually filmed a person and put it into the video game. One thing I thought would happen when the xbox 360 and soon to be ps3 is that they would have the ability to have games with 3D digitized characters that are shot in high definition. But all I see are HD cartoons. They have done a great job making characters move very lifelike, but they still like cartoons, and I think they ought to go back into digitization. | |
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join:2002-01-31
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| Re: I could see it happen "Re: I could see it happen
if they stop making so much damn ftp games maybe console be better geeeez how man dumb ptf does it take to under stand they suck ? well most of them do anyways."
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