A Conflict of InterestSpyware's tangled industry web ( old news - 11:23AM Thursday Apr 15 2004) tags: privacy · software · spyware When Earthlink announced they'd be offering a spyware solution last year, users were initially pleased. At least until they realized that "SpyAudit" only finds spyware - it doesn't actually remove it - for a number of reasons. What's more, users in our forums have been complaining for months that the product is a master at finding spyware that isn't there. In fact it's so overly sensitive, the software is apparently even the butt of jokes around the Earthlink office. But why doesn't it remove spyware? There's several reasons; some legit - others less so. The removal of some spyware/adware can often disable the "parent" software, causing a host of new problems users would then look toward their ISP or PC manufacturer to repair. Since spending time and money on customer service has gone the way of the Betamax player, many companies simply have decided to avoid the issue entirely, while others offer half-hearted solutions. Last year Dell decided to implement a company wide support policy to never recommend the use of spyware removal tools. Even if a user's PC could have clearly been repaired by the removal of some dubious software, Dell employees were not allowed to raise a finger to assist. They did eventually back-pedal on that decision, signing an agreement to distribute Pest Patrol - but only after a firestorm of negative media attention. Of course they weren't just afraid of breaking something, they're also afraid of taking a stand against spyware developers, who've been known to sue anyone who infers their products don't meet the highest ethical standards. They've grown increasingly defensive as politicians have begun to get involved in the anti-spyware movement by drafting new laws. The result has been a flurry of semantic prattle over properly classifying intrusive applications as either spyware, or adware. And naturally in the internet marketing business, many companies have incestuous relationships with software makers who may offer "contextual marketing" (as they like to call it) solutions. Removal of such software often creates a profit conflict. How many of these companies offering "spyware removal" tools have relationships with companies like Doubleclick? Likewise, what do you think you'd find if you ran a spyware scan of a fresh Dell PC straight off the factory floor? So if Spy Audit only identifies spyware (albeit poorly) and doesn't actually remove it, does it have a purpose? Well, according to an Earthlink Press release today, the company is keeping a running total of Spy Audit's findings. According to their first report, more than a million scans have been run, with the software on average finding 27.8 instances of spyware per PC on average. The report indicates the software has so far found some 29,540,618 instances of adware and adware related cookies on scanned PC's. The end result? Earthlink gets their name in lights as a concerned netizen, limits their liability, reduces their support costs, and protects their marketing interests. Meanwhile, most of the adware is likely still sitting there. "When Internet users have questions about spyware, we want them to turn to the SpyAudit report as a reliable source of current information about this growing threat to Internet privacy," said Matt Cobb, EarthLink's vice president of core applications, oddly failing to mention the important step of actually removing the spyware (which the press release doesn't mention either). In their defense, Earthlink's "Total Access" package does include some Spyware blocking functionality. However if users are serious about spyware removal, the best solution is a combination of both Ad-Aware and Spybot: Search and Destroy. Both are free, and amazingly, both actually remove spyware. Related:- Would You Trust A Former Spyware Firm With Your Privacy?
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  dg2 Premium join:2004-01-22 Lowell, AR 1 edit | What would you find? Last time I ran a spyware check on two Dell computers straight out of the box (pretty close to straight off the factory floor) I found two porn dialers (two on each machine.) Somehow I doubt that was part of a co-marketing arrangement... | |
|  |   paintref TrainPlane Simulation Addict
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| Re: What would you find? said by dg2 : Last time I ran a spyware check on two Dell computers straight out of the box (pretty close to straight off the factory floor) I found two porn dialers (two on each machine.) Somehow I doubt that was part of a co-marketing arrangement...
Now it makes me wonder what are they doing at dell to have porn dialers on your machines & makes me wonder if mine had any when I got mine a year or so ago. | |
|  |  |   Varangian
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| Re: What would you find? well these cookie cutter machines all get the same drive iimage. So your new porn dialers will have been shared by the masses. Some suit no doubt made a side deal to have this cr*p infiltrated onto Dell machines. Or Dell is just another infinitely greedy and amoral corporation corroding our society with their grasping. (But who would ever suggest that? ) Buy your own full os and build your machine . That way YOU control the action. | |
|  |   AnonProxy Proxy of Anon Premium join:2001-05-12 ß | Well then millions of people must have it. They image those machines from basically the same image...gee I wonder why none of the Dell's I've bought have it... | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |   AnonProxy Proxy of Anon Premium join:2001-05-12 ß | Re: What would you find? Smells a lot like something other than teen spirit. | |
|  |   Varangian
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| If you didn't have dialers that's good. Maybe your model used a different image. Maybe the other fellows computer spent a little time being used by Dell suits for entertainment. THe point is that - if YOU SET UP YOUR OWN MACHINE - YOU WON'T HAVE PORN DIALERS. unless you want some  | |
|  |  brianiscool
join:2000-08-16 Miami, FL | You think Earthlink has the cure for everything? It's just a marketing scheme just like their anti-spam program. I bet the people that pay them to spam all of Earthlink emails gets removed from their list. | |
|  |  SanJoseNerd Premium join:2002-07-24 San Jose, CA
| I recently scanned two new Dell computers with Ad-Aware and Spybot, and both were clean.
BUT -- One was a business computer, and one a home computer. The home computer was full of stuff that behaved like adware/spyware: There's obnoxious trial-ware that wants to collect your personal info. The DVD drivers occasionally pop up an ad offering to sell you updated drivers! The "try AOL" icon is so aggressive that it appears virtually everywhere in the system, even in the disk directory. All this stuff was easily removed, but it took time to track it down.
By contrast, the business computer really was clean. No trial-ware, no AOL icon, no ads of any kind.
The business computer cost a couple hundred dollars more than the home computer, for essentially identical hardware. So I guess the going price for the absence of spyware is 200 bucks. | |
|   mnemonicj
join:2002-03-03 Fishers, IN | Norton Antivirus 2004 The second to last link on this news post is supposed to be "Ad-Aware" not "Adware". Adware is what Ad-Aware gets rid of.
I have a spyware finder on my Norton Antivirus 2004. I wonder if it does the same thing as the Earthlink software... | |
|   StuartMW Who Is John Galt? Premium join:2000-08-06 Austin, TX
| Erase the HD and start anew
I'm not an average computer user or purchaser so I've always erased the HD of any new machine I've bought and reinstalled the stuff I want from the supplied CD's (if any). With a few exceptions the "free" software provided with most new machines is pretty useless IMO (crippled, time-limited, not upgradable). -- Don't feed trolls--it only makes them grow! | |
|  |   Varangian
join:2002-12-08 Collinsville, IL | Re: Erase the HD and start anew Format C...oh I love it when they talk dirty like that | |
|  |  |   richk_1957 If ..Then..Else Premium join:2001-04-11 Minas Tirith
| Re: Erase the HD and start anew We all know formatting doesn't remove everything [in this case it might not make a difference]. One of them, boots & runs off a CD or Floppy and really erases everything [of course, this can take a couple hours], so that when you go to install windows, you get the message 'Setup has detected you are using a factory fresh hard drive.....':) | |
|  |  |   Varangian
join:2002-12-08 Collinsville, IL | Re: SpyBot Use several spykillers for multiple Defense rings. | |
|   dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA
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| Spyware/Adware = Bad [rant] If you remove spyware or adware, and it kills the "parent" software, get different software. What we do, where we go, is OUR business and no one else's. Most software that comes bundled with crapware, will still work without it. D*vX Player comes with Gator/Gain/whatever, after removal, it works just fine. If a company needs to make money from their product, they need to charge money for it... not get paid to put this crap on our computers.
All of this adware/spyware/malware needs to stop! I couldn't care less about the people that make a living off this sh!t. They need to get a job doing something constructive, not creating BS that I have to keep cleaning off my/other's systems. [/rant] | |
|   Minister
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| Press Release That press release is funny as hell. It's just jam packed with dire warnings about how horrible spyware is, but nowhere does it indicate what the hell users are supposed to do once they've discovered their PC is a cesspool of marketing parasites.
»www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stori···3&EDATE= | |
|   jtudor Xm 60's On 6 Freak Premium,MVM join:2002-12-07 Morganton, NC
| Spyware / Adware - I don't care!
I really don't care what it is called, spyware or adware. I don't want any of it on my system. All of it seems to install itself with no interaction from me, then it consumes system resources trying to do something in the background.
I think that we internet users should boycott any business that supports spyware, and let them know why we are boycotting them. Hit them where it hurts most, in the wallet, and they will eventually go away. Legislation will not help, only taking away their income source will. -- Best of luck
"Do, or Do not, there is no try!" Yoda | |
|  |   Varangian
join:2002-12-08 Collinsville, IL | Re: Spyware / Adware - I don't care! Bravo- Capital idea The trouble is they ALL do it. So we need to focus on one and make an example of them. | |
|   mrchris We don't miss you Bush Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | They need a new name Not Spyware or Adware/Mal/Scumware, but Garbageware! | |
|  |   pleekmo Triptoe Through The Tulips Premium join:2001-09-14 Manchester, CT clubs: | Re: They need a new name I've taken to calling it Evilware. | |
|  |  |   Varangian
join:2002-12-08 Collinsville, IL | Re: They need a new name aww too cool a name for something as base as spyware | |
|  Marten2
join:2004-04-14 Cupertino, CA
| Get Current! Dell reversed that spyware policy... Please stop promulgating out of date and distorted information. Dell does not currently have a policy preventing support from recommending that users use utilities to remove spyware.
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Last year Dell decided to implement a company wide support policy to never recommend the use of spyware removal tools. Even if a user's PC can clearly by repaired by the removal of some dubious software, Dell employees are not allowed to raise a finger to assist.
The first sentence is correct - Dell did have such a policy, for about two weeks. The policy was instituted in late November, 2003. In response to the outcry from the community, that policy was reversed on December 10, 2003. At that time, Dell partnered with Pest Patrol (as announced here: »www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/a···php#Dell ), and soon after extended their FAQs to again mention alternative solutions.
Dell's current FAQ on Spyware is dated March 16 2004, and it mentions many solutions (including Ad-Aware and Spybot). That article can be found here: »support.dell.com/us/en/kb/docume···=1077228 | |
|  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02
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| Re: Get Current! Dell reversed that spyware policy... My apologies. I've corrected that paragraph. I thought there was a reversal.
I do find this curious:
quote: Dell does not endorse any specific freeware or shareware utilities designed to remove spyware applications because we cannot test these utilities reliably.
Why can't they test these utilities reliably? | |
|  |  |  Marten2
join:2004-04-14 Cupertino, CA
| Freeware reliability (was: Re: Get Current!) Quote:
Why can't they test these utilities reliably? That is a very good question! The good folks at SpywareInfo asked that too in their December 10th newsletter.
See: »www.spywareinfo.com/newsletter/a···3/10.php
The author of that piece cogently observed, "Dell should be honest and state simply that they chose not to test them, not state that they cannot. To say that free software cannot be tested reliably is dishonest and an insult to the consumers' intelligence." I agree completely.
I suppose it is possible that Dell's contract to push Pest Patrol could prohibit them from testing other utilities, but if that were the reason, it would not explain the alleged reliability issue. Dell does not seem to be completely honest about the situation, though at least they have shown they can learn from and respond semi-favorably to a public uproar.
Thanks for updating the news post. | |
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