Mega-ISPs, Consumer Advocates Demand Broadband PlanBut will this latest coalition address the core reason for inaction? 09:33AM Tuesday Dec 02 2008 by Karl Bodetags: competition · business · Op/Ed · PoliticsA total of 55 companies and non-profit organizations, including industry giants like Verizon as well as consumer advocacy outfits like Free Press, have joined together to sign a " call to action for a national broadband strategy." According to the latest OECD data, the United States ranks fifteenth in broadband penetration and twenty-first in price paid per megabit, in large part thanks to no national broadband plan. Group members are meeting in DC today in the hopes of changing that, though at the moment their goals remain rather broad, and are clearly aimed at just getting everyone to the table (incessant squabbling comes later): • Every American home, business, and public and private institution should have access to affordable high-speed broadband connections to the Internet. • Access to the Internet should, to the maximum feasible extent, be open to all users, service providers, content providers, and application providers. • Network operators must have the right to manage their networks responsibly, pursuant to clear and workable guidelines and standards. • The Internet and broadband marketplace should be as competitive as reasonably possible. • U.S. broadband networks should provide Americans with the network performance, capacity, and connections they need to compete successfully in the global marketplace. "Whats most remarkable about this initiative is that so large and diverse a group of organizations agreed not only on the terms of our call to action statement, but also to continue to work together to build consensus on the substance of a national broadband strategy," Attorney and muni-expert Jim Baller (who we've interviewed) said in a statement. What will be more remarkable is actually bridging the stark differences in opinion that are responsible for this lack of policy in the first place. The fight over whether broadband should see broader government involvement has always ended in gridlock. That gridlock benefits large carriers, who don't want new regulation, are resistant to consumer protection laws, don't want to see increased competition and refuse to be forced to deploy into less profitable areas. In fact, carriers have been so concerned about progressive new national deployment policies, they've been trying to pre-empt them through bogus national deployment plans that look good, but function primarily to protect their interests. At the root of this dysfunction is an American regulatory system that's far too cozy with lobbyists for the major carriers, versus a consumer advocacy movement that's increasingly marginalized, under funded and under-represented. Can this new coalition change any of this? It doesn't appear to be on their action item list. Related:- NAACP Inconsistent on Broadband
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| Broadband plan Whitespace broadband might be our savior in terms of enabling deployment in rural(less profitable) areas and competition. -- TinFoilers UFO Union of America!! TinFoilers UFO Union Local 101... | |
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| Re: Broadband plan said by rawwhide :Whitespace broadband might be our savior in terms of enabling deployment in rural(less profitable) areas and competition. don't bet on it. large portions of that bandwidth are "owned" by the incumbents. | |
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| Differences .... Like penetration means profits...(good). Yet, penetration and national broadband is going to have to be counter balanced by two things. One consumer usage and demand. Second, feasibility. Does it really pay to wire a small town in Appalachia if it costs more to run the wires, and you'll never see a return on the investment? Some places just won't get anything other than wireless for geographic and population reasons. However, one thing is to be said, we could do a much better job than we're doing now. All seem to agree on that fact. | |
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join:2006-04-27 Forest, OH | Re: Differences Yea, that's what they used to say about those areas and electricty. | |
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| Re: Differences Until the government came in and subsidized it. Do you think companies did this on their own. Nope, it took the government to socialize this program, in order for people to get electricity. Anyone ever hear of the Tennessee Valley Authority and other similar programs. Most of these states didn't get electricity until the 1930s with a government backed initiative during the Great Depression I think it was to spur jobs. | |
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| Re: Differences Are you serious? The telcom and cable industries have been subsidized for decades through tax incentives, restricted entry, and government granted profits through such.
Look at their financial statements AT&T alone could probably deliver FTTH in the next 5 years to every place they can possibly service for CASH! One quarter's profits could wire large sections of their customers. | |
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| Re: Differences And they should be forced to use any subsidies in providing internet to areas where it's feasible. Does it pay to wire 10 people in the mountains at a cost of a few hundred thousand dollars? I'd say that's a waste of funds. There needs to be some standards, but I agree that since they receive tax money, they can't be set too high. | |
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| Re: Differences Yes, even if there is just 1 person in the mountains and it cost them $200k they should be required to do it.
Why? Because they have collected so many billions (even trillions over the last few decades) of OUR money that it should be this way.
I alone pay around $10 a month on the USF funds. How many millions of subscribers does ATT&T have? How many millions/billions a year do they collect from this slush fund? THAT money should be used to get service to EVERY person just as it was setup to do. | |
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| Re: Differences Listen, I'm not advocating the USF fund be a slush fund and profiteering mode for companies. However, their first goal should be to hit the most people and get the best bang for the buck. Still, after people are reached, they need to work their way down to the last souls. I agree, but they need to start big and make sure smaller towns and large cities get coverage before the 1 or 2 people hiding in the mountains. | |
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| Statement at odds with itself quote: Access to the Internet should, to the maximum feasible extent, be open to all users, service providers, content providers, and application providers. Network operators must have the right to manage their networks responsibly, pursuant to clear and workable guidelines and standards
Hmmm, these two statements seem at odds to me. It's almost as if there is an argument for and against network neutrality. -- Sending script kiddies to /dev/null since 1995! | |
|  |   Karl Bode News Guy join:2000-03-02 | Re: Statement at odds with itself It's all vague generalities I think tasked with just getting everyone to the table. We'll see if anything can actually be accomplished.... | |
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| Re: Statement at odds with itself Well everything sounds good in theory and on paper. It's getting a meeting of the minds and everyone to agree on a goal that's carried out, for one to yell success. Otherwise, you have a good read, but nothing else. Similar to my ability to write a paper on world peace, outlining the steps. Great in theory, never going to happen. | |
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| Re: Statement at odds with itself I'm sure lots of lip service will be paid today at the gathering, but ultimately, he/she with more money wins. Incumbents have more money to shape policy, lobby, and institute changes.
If we do wind up with a national broadband policy, odds are it winds up just being a poorly managed slush fund blended with tax cuts and no regulatory agency really bothering to track accountability....I've seen no indication that this government (either party) is capable of anything else. | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: Statement at odds with itself Ding ding ding. We have a winner. | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: Statement at odds with itself and yet.. you won't be. | |
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| said by elboricua : Hmmm, these two statements seem at odds to me. It's almost as if there is an argument for and against network neutrality. They were for the war on broadband before they were against it...or some variation thereof.
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join:2001-10-05 Rockville, MD | looks like... the opening ploy for the ILECs to feed at the trough of (more) government subsidies. | |
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| Empty fluff This must be coming from former Senator Obama's playbook -- lofty speech and pointless posturing, no need for action or results.
Because, yeah, once we have a National Broadband Plan, everything will be just fine! That's what's holding us back....  | |
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| Re: Empty fluff said by jester121 :This must be coming from former Senator Obama's playbook -- lofty speech and pointless posturing, no need for action or results. Because, yeah, once we have a National Broadband Plan, everything will be just fine! That's what's holding us back.... So, at this moment, and for the next month and a half, Obama has no power whatsoever, yet you still lay this at his feet? That's like Rush and Shawn calling this recession 'Obama's recession', when it officially started 1 year ago. He won, get over it and help, or get out of the way (snark and sarcasm don't help). | |
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join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Empty fluff You missed the point. I'm saying that a "national broadband policy" is nothing but feel-good, pseudo-intellectual nonsense that doesn't mean anything and won't accomplish anything. Much like the former senator's campaign and career. | |
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| Re: Empty fluff said by jester121 :You missed the point. I'm saying that a "national broadband policy" is nothing but feel-good, pseudo-intellectual nonsense that doesn't mean anything and won't accomplish anything. Much like the former senator's campaign and career. No, YOU missed MY point. Your use of snark/sarcasm makes it difficult to have a real conversation, which is often necessary to begin developing/implementing solutions. Your help, as in your constructive thoughts/ideas, is useful/necessary to begin this process. Lofty speeches can be useful to mobilize resources (people) necessary to begin this process. In other words, you gotta start somewhere. I believe history has shown that the CONSTRUCTIVE opinions expressed/viewed/shared in this forum has AT LEAST been marginally useful in driving good policy, both at the government (fed/state/local) and corporate level. So as I said, '...help, or get out of the way (snark and sarcasm don't help).'
If, on the other hand, your goal is to insist on insulting the President-Elect, then just go away. There are other forums that will find that 'helpful'. | |
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| Re: Empty fluff It's funny how the big-hearted and caring among us (liberals?) are the first ones who come up with "go away" and "get out" when someone disagrees with their view. What happened to fighting for everyone's right to express an opinion?
My opinion is that a National Broadband Policy is a pointless exercise in Washington group-think and at its very best could result in yet another USF-type bureaucracy. At its worst I can't even figure out what it might turn into.
That was pretty clear in my first post, and if you can't get past that mild sarcasm you really need to disconnect from the internet.
Oh, and in case you aren't aware, the former senator isn't the President-elect until later this month. Don't let the big official looking signs on the podium fool you, it's just Photoshop.  | |
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| Re: Empty fluff said by jester121 :It's funny how the big-hearted and caring among us (liberals?) are the first ones who come up with "go away" and "get out" when someone disagrees with their view. What happened to fighting for everyone's right to express an opinion? Excuse me, but the only opinion I have expressed is that having you provide some constructive input, instead of just throwing up your hands and giving up could be helpful. I didn't know that you disagreed with me. My bad.
My opinion is that a National Broadband Policy is a pointless exercise in Washington group-think and at its very best could result in yet another USF-type bureaucracy. At its worst I can't even figure out what it might turn into. This is a valid opinion, but it does nothing to advance any positive benefits. Perhaps I should have been more clear. Instead of 'go away', I should have said 'get out of the way'.
That was pretty clear in my first post, and if you can't get past that mild sarcasm you really need to disconnect from the internet. Sorry, I'm not going to disconnect, I will continue to agitate for positive progress, and if a national broadband policy can be positive, it should be explored. If you think otherwise, then come out and say all discussion should cease. Anti Obama snark is nothing but anti Obama snark, and does nothing to advance the discussion.
Oh, and in case you aren't aware, the former senator isn't the President-elect until later this month. Don't let the big official looking signs on the podium fool you, it's just Photoshop. I am aware that the Electoral College vote hasn't happened yet, but I have noticed all news organizations using the term 'President Elect'. Just another attempt at obfuscation on your part, I suppose, as the vote is just a formality (or do you believe it's possible that he didn't/wont actually win?). I don't know what podium you are referring to, or what it has to do with Photoshop. | |
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| ERROR FIXED i think we all know who this came from "Network operators must have the right to manage their networks responsibly, pursuant to clear and workable guidelines and standards." it SHOULD be "Network operators must manage their networks responsibly, pursuant to clear and workable guidelines and standards." this way, ALL interests are taken care of, NOT just the profits of the large companies.. | |
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