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en102
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Unlocks? That would be assuming that Sprint would allow a 'non' Sprint device on its network.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: Unlocks? They've already said they'd do it, and they certainly wouldn't turn down an iPhone  . Their Instinct uses more data per month probably than the iPhone does. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: Unlocks? If Sprint won't allow a Verizon Voyager or other 'non' Sprint phone on its network, why would it allow an iPhone ?
Sprint has its own 'Instinct' to sell, specifically so they can lock you into a contract. Having an unlocked iPhone from another carrier defeats that purpose.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: Unlocks? They're *supposed* to be allowing foreign devices on their network now. THe Voyager may well be flashed by Verizon to not allow it to go onto Sprint. Sprint can still make you sign a contract for their service. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Unlocks? Is Sprint allowing non-Sprint devices, or Verizon locking the devices, or a mix of both.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: Unlocks? Most of the stuff is Verizon clocking stuff down. To some extent Sprint only allows its own stuff on the network, but I've heard in the news that they're openng up. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
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Flower Mound, TX | With LTE you will be using Verizon and AT&T networks. There's just no way they'd be able to provide extensive coverage without extensive co-operation with roaming customers. | |
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join:2008-01-16
Cambridge, MA | The iPhone is garbage, just a fancy screen and animations. Google Android is the future of smartphones . | |
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chakey
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Gladstone, NJ
clubs: | and in NJ... I would love an iPhone. But I also want a phone that is able to make and receive calls where I live and work.... | |
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lordpuffer
I Was Very Drunk At The Time
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join:2004-09-19
West Hollywood, CA
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| Re: and in NJ... I had AT&T for 10 years here in Los Angeles and towards the end, after they purchased the old AT&T Wireless, the coverage started to really suck. The FCC, to agree to the purchase, made AT&T sell many towers to T-Mobile. So, AT&T got much worse and T-Mobile got a lot better for a lot less money. Sure, I would like an iPhone, but to use it with AT&T would be like throwing money away. Especially the new 3G version, since in LA, 3G coverage sucks! I purchased an AT&T 3G phone, and every time I lost 3G coverage and would switch back to EDGE, the call would drop. I returned the phone and switched to T-Mobile and have much better coverage. When Verizon gets the iPhone, I may switch to them for I bet it will work great. However, I'll have to be prepared to shell out the bucks, for I bet the phone and plans will be expensive.
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clubs: | Re: and in NJ... or you og the blackberry route where they are releasing phones on all the networks
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Shooting The Messenger quote:
Verizon iPhone availability should make many customers happy, given AT&T's network coverage and call quality simply does not mach up in many of the two companies overlapping markets (upstate NY comes to mind).
Ahhh... the classic "blame the carrier for the crappy phone" game.
AT&T's 3G and EDGE networks, at least where I use our phones the most, are fairly decent. People I know who have iPhones have coverage issues in places where our phones (an HTC 8525 and a Samsung Blackjack 2) work just fine.
Verizon has an excellent network in most places. Even their crappiest phones work in the most unlikely of places. When issues with the iPhone appear on Verizon, is Verizon's network going to be to blame?
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: Shooting The Messenger said by pnh102  : quote:
Verizon iPhone availability should make many customers happy, given AT&T's network coverage and call quality simply does not mach up in many of the two companies overlapping markets (upstate NY comes to mind).
Ahhh... the classic "blame the carrier for the crappy phone" game. It's widely known that AT&T's GSM network isn't nearly up to the standard of any EVDO network in the US. I've never, outside of this site, - ever - known anyone who's had AT&T service and been happy with it. Dropped calls, no service, terrible sounding voice quality, missing txt messages, unable to make/receive calls ... the problems are widespread. They just sent me a deal for 5 lines for $99 (I pay Verizon twice that) and I won't touch it. Their service is especially horrible here.
While I think the iPhone is a mediocre phone (great web browsing though), I don't think the problems it has are all the phones fault.
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Brazbit
Randomness Personified
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join:2003-10-22
Port Orchard, WA
·wavebroadband
| Re: Shooting The Messenger said by Matt It's widely known that AT&T's GSM network isn't nearly up to the standard of any EVDO network in the US. I've never, outside of this site, - ever - known anyone who's had AT&T service and been happy with it. Dropped calls, no service, terrible sounding voice quality, missing txt messages, unable to make/receive calls ... the problems are widespread. They just sent me a deal for 5 lines for $99 (I pay Verizon twice that) and I won't touch it. Their service is especially horrible here. [/BQUOTE :Wow the all powerful widely known has spoken. I have never had service issues with AT&T. More often than not I have coverage when those with Verizon do not (Most of my family has Verizon so I hear about coverage issues often.) Coverage in this area is actually why I went with AT&T, Verizon had a huge dead area in the middle of what was my service region at my last job, those with Verizon would be out of communication for fifteen to twenty minutes driving from the main office to our biggest branch office. So while Verizon may have an advantage where you live it is not the case here and they probably flip flop service quality all across the nation. --
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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Saint Louis, MO
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| said by Matt :said by pnh102 : quote:
Verizon iPhone availability should make many customers happy, given AT&T's network coverage and call quality simply does not mach up in many of the two companies overlapping markets (upstate NY comes to mind).
Ahhh... the classic "blame the carrier for the crappy phone" game. It's widely known that AT&T's GSM network isn't nearly up to the standard of any EVDO network in the US. I've never, outside of this site, - ever - known anyone who's had AT&T service and been happy with it. Dropped calls, no service, terrible sounding voice quality, missing txt messages, unable to make/receive calls ... the problems are widespread. They just sent me a deal for 5 lines for $99 (I pay Verizon twice that) and I won't touch it. Their service is especially horrible here. While I think the iPhone is a mediocre phone (great web browsing though), I don't think the problems it has are all the phones fault. What you just described sounds like what I hear and experience with Sprint customers all the time. And their headquarters is literally 5 minutes away from me.
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NetAdmin
CCNA
join:2008-05-22
| said by Matt :It's widely known that AT&T's GSM network isn't nearly up to the standard of any EVDO network in the US. I've never, outside of this site, - ever - known anyone who's had AT&T service and been happy with it. Dropped calls, no service, terrible sounding voice quality, missing txt messages, unable to make/receive calls ... the problems are widespread. I can certainly agree with that statement. ATT's network sucks, although most of my issues are call quality (echo, echo, echo, echo) and dropped calls. Of course I've also tried Alltel, Verizon and Sprint and haven't been happy with any of them for voice service either.
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join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| said by Matt :It's widely known that AT&T's GSM network isn't nearly up to the standard of any EVDO network in the US. I've never, outside of this site, - ever - known anyone who's had AT&T service and been happy with it. Dropped calls, no service, terrible sounding voice quality, missing txt messages, unable to make/receive calls ... the problems are widespread. They just sent me a deal for 5 lines for $99 (I pay Verizon twice that) and I won't touch it. Their service is especially horrible here. My experience with them has been much different. Service has always been excellent, and almost everyone I know around here uses them. I tried VZW for a year, and they were fine, but with most friends and family members using AT&T, I got much more use out of M2M with them.
Not saying you're wrong, but I think each carrier has its strong and weak areas, and the Southeast happens to be a strong area for AT&T. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| Re: Shooting The Messenger said by ISurfTooMuch :said by Matt :It's widely known that AT&T's GSM network isn't nearly up to the standard of any EVDO network in the US. I've never, outside of this site, - ever - known anyone who's had AT&T service and been happy with it. Dropped calls, no service, terrible sounding voice quality, missing txt messages, unable to make/receive calls ... the problems are widespread. They just sent me a deal for 5 lines for $99 (I pay Verizon twice that) and I won't touch it. Their service is especially horrible here. My experience with them has been much different. Service has always been excellent, and almost everyone I know around here uses them. I tried VZW for a year, and they were fine, but with most friends and family members using AT&T, I got much more use out of M2M with them. Not saying you're wrong, but I think each carrier has its strong and weak areas, and the Southeast happens to be a strong area for AT&T. Again, here we start with the "my phone is better then yours" "my network is better than yours". Give me a break. I've at ATT a few years ago. I've had Sprint for 10. I know people (well, lets say, I have spent days in the woods/camping with said people) and over all, I've had much better service then VZ and ATT. For my purposes, use and needs, Sprint serves them all well. After seeing how the others perfrom in the "wild", I'll put up with a dropped call every so often just I don't have to deal with the 2 800lb gorillas. For every person who said they have problems with one carrier, I can show you another that doesn't. It's as simple as who I choose to write my check out too. None of them are worthy but for now, 10 years running, Sprint has been great. | |
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join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
| Re: Shooting The Messenger I'm glad Sprint works for you. They were my first carrier back in 2001-2002, and I hated them with a passion. Tons of dropped calls, and the topper was when I called CS to complain, the lady told me it was because there wasn't Sprint service in my city, when my area was clearly covered on the map, I had four bars of non-roaming signal, and there was a Sprint PCS store just a couple miles from my house. But, like I said, if they work for you, then you've found your carrier, and that's a good thing. For me, AT&T works best, so that's who I use. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| Re: Shooting The Messenger Well, back at ya. My point is, just like cars. We all have the ones we like, the ones we hated with a passion, etc... Sprint no doubt is suffering from the same assumptions that has all but killed our big 3 automakers. I've seen Sprint at a good side and bad. I stuck with'em. If we changed carriers/providers rather it's crappy service, dropped calls or a better deal. Sometimes, we will over look a few pot holes when we hate the "other guy".  | |
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rec9140
Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
| said by Matt :
It's widely known that AT&T's GSM network isn't nearly up to the standard of any EVDO network in the US. I've never, outside of this site, - ever - known anyone who's had AT&T service and been happy with it. Dropped calls, no service, terrible sounding voice quality, missing txt messages, unable to make/receive calls ... the problems are widespread. They just sent me a deal for 5 lines for $99 (I pay Verizon twice that) and I won't touch it. Their service is especially horrible here.
This pretty much sums up in order:
1) ATT
2) TMobile
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by Matt :It's widely known that AT&T's GSM network isn't nearly up to the standard of any EVDO network in the US. Is it?
I'm certainly not saying that AT&T is the best phone company in this country, but I can't imagine that they would be either the largest or close to largest cell phone provider if they were in bad shape. My entire family has AT&T (we wanted to be able to call each other at no cost in minutes) and we've been happy with it.
While there are definitely places where AT&T stinks, I don't think it is fair to indict the company as being bad. I think there would be more widespread problems with other AT&T 3G phones if it wasn't just problems with the iPhone.
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NoProbCT
| Re: Shooting The Messenger pnh102, I have an iPhone 3G with AT&T after having switched from being a Verizon customer for 8+ years. I live in CT and work in the Hartford area and get full 3G service with no issues. After a recent trip to Boston, I can say with certainty that the issues are geologically-related. While a Fenway Park, I also had a full 3G signal but could not establish a data connection to save my life. An outgoing call I placed also took an eternity to simply establish the connection. Once I returned to CT, everything worked fine again... I'm beginning to believe the problem in the urban AT&T markets is over subscription.
And as a foot note, AT&T's service in CT for me has been far superior to Verizon's in terms of both coverage and call quality. | |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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Brooklyn NYC
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| said by Matt : .... outside of this site, - ever - known anyone who's had AT&T service and been happy with it. Dropped calls, no service, terrible sounding voice quality, missing txt messages, unable to make/receive calls ... I switched to AT&T/iPhone 3 months ago.I use it as my primary phone and, as of yet, have not had any of the problems you mentioned.
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| 3 g i gret if you cn geit. I liv outie o f a 3 g wtorkek n mforcd o buuy thir ovr priced 430.00data plan o gt th ph o ork.. if 3g is not aailble ten it flls bk oo 2g or about equl o .dl, but my mind but you tre pying od 3gpeed. but gtting diial up speds.14.4k bad | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Shooting The Messenger you fail at txting | |
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chlen
Ethically Challenged
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join:2001-01-16
Albany, NY
| sprint I would gladly get the iPhone with Sprint. They are the only ones with good pricing and great EVDO. I reliably get 1.2-1.7 mbit with the Sprint card and pull about 700kbps on my treo.
VZ and ATT both have 3G here as well but ATT is dropped calls everywhere, and VZ is just really expensive and not as fast. | |
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papi4baby
join:2008-01-19
Callaway, MD | ATT and Verizon I actually had both, and ATT voice quality is better than verizon. But their policies are crap so i left them for Sprint, so happy. And verizon is way too expensive so, there that's my say. | |
| | flyingjoey
join:2005-11-07
Jersey City, NJ
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1 edit | Re: ATT and Verizon ATT Voice Quality is better than Verizon... in which planet would that be? Certainly not in the one I'm in.
So AT&T's network works everywhere... HELL YEAH IT WORKS EVERYWHERE at 3 dollars a minute. The same goes for T-Mobile... their coverage may be shitty here, but go to Europe you can find T-Mobile even under a rock sitting at the bottom of the ocean.
Most people couldn't careless if their phones worked half away around the world, as most "normal" folk don't leave the city they live in... or venture out too far.
But anyway, I carry both a CDMA (Sprint) and a GSM (ATT) phone and rather be left tied up naked, covered in honey ontop of an ant hill right in the middle of the New Jersey Turnpike than to use my ATT phone. I'm tired of having to figure out what people are saying when they already have an indian accent and furthermore they sound like robots because ATT's voice quality is a bigger mess than Iraq.
On the other hand, when I use my Sprint phone, phone calls sound closer to those of a "landline." | |
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join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| Re: ATT and Verizon People need to understand that comparing cell coverage, call quality and anything related between companies is totally isolated to your particular town/neighborhood/area.
Its almost amusing watching people on here flex their internet egos against one another when debating carrier X & carrier Y's service when one lives in California and the other lives in NY. Its apples and oranges- | |
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TomClancy
Freedom isn't free
join:2003-04-23
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| Love Tmob in Europe. My sister went to Europe for her vacation and she visited Bosnia and Herzegovina, which is a country that just came out of a civil war and she still had signal even in the boonies. All that by using a USA phone (Motorola RAZR V3).
Tmob is still an newbie underdog in the USA market but in time they will suppress them all especially with todays USA economy which ATT, Sprint and Verizon depend on. | |
| flyingjoey
join:2005-11-07
Jersey City, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Verizon FIOS
| It's the Network! Since Verizon and Sprint are both on CDMA, and typically mobile providers don't own their own towers since they rent "coverage" off of companies (Please correct me if I'm wrong).
Wouldn't it be logical and "expected" that sprint and verizon are both "alive" on the same towers everywhere, basically saying that Verizon's "Network" is also Sprint's. | |
| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: It's the Network! This used to not be the norm. Now it is. You start seeing nowadays the exact same dead spots on all carriers, since they rent the exact same tower locations, especially in rural and "row of towers down an interstate highway" situations. Also due to zoning code limitations and grandfathering, no new towers can be added in an area, so everyone co-locates on the towers from the late 1980s/early 1990s. The only difference, and these are minor one, would be signal strength (has to be low enough to not collide with another tower), and antenna aiming, and PCS vs 800, which outdoors will only be a difference of 1 bar between carriers. Indoors the PCS vs 800 argument can cause a much bigger bar difference.
This needs to be banned. What was the point of E911's mandatory roaming/hunting for usable signal if all the carriers have the exact same coverage nowadays?
Sprint and T-mobile also rent/have less towers and have lower average signal strengths (signal strength is not always equal to quality on digital communications, VoIP on a 1 mbitps connection and on a gigabit connection will sound exactly the same), and this causes marginal areas to become dead spots and dropped calls, and also roaming/no service inside buildings (again PCS vs 800 argument). Also since Sprint and T-Mobile have less customers, they don't engineer as many towers into their network (frequency reuse/cell sizes) as AT&T and Verizon. Sprint and T-Mobile only need enough towers to provide coverage to most of the area inside each cell, not prevent rush hour "all circuits are busy" messages.
Higher frequency reuse also cause you to get higher signal strengths inside cells, or more of the cell's area will have a higher signal strength, making your phone behave better.
Also Sprint and T-Mobile historically have had more spectrum than the 800 carriers, so Sprint in a suburban flat area can throw up a bigger area tower and carry more customers, meanwhile creating a much larger marginal area around the circumference of the tower, and a much bigger handover area (which will expose flaws in handover algorithms, this is a CDMA vs GSM argument), and the bigger handover area has a higher chance of call drop. | |
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Nubs
| Will Verison neuter the phone? Do you really believe Verizon won't hack out everything useful?
Will the iPhone still connect to a PC and have WLAN capabilities? No VCast bull$h1t? | |
| tgallon
join:2003-02-17
Euclid, OH | iPhone on Verizons Network If this does happen by far this will be what the iPhone 3G needs. I came from verizon to at&t to get the iphone 3g. Been very dissapointed with At&ts network. Verizons network by far is the best out there. | |
| xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | Combo EVDO/WiMAX iPhone... ...on Sprint please by 2010, with VoIP ability. | |
| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Combo EVDO/WiMAX iPhone... said by xenophon :...on Sprint please by 2010, with VoIP ability. Haha. EVDO will never legally carry VoIP. Try sharing a 6 mbit DSL modem (4 T1s) with a couple hundred VoIP callers. Also PCS spectrum is limited and over loaded in many areas. Cell spliting (similar to fiber node spliting) is expensive. | |
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join:2007-09-17 | Re: Combo EVDO/WiMAX iPhone... I was talking about WiMAX, not EVDO. BTW, Xohm users are saying VoIP works great. | |
| beaups
join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | apple rumor sites these apple rumors sites are a riot...and frequently quite incorrect. isn't this the same site that reported the iphone 3g would have a hardware keyboard?? | |
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Fluker
join:2005-04-07
West Lafayette, IN
| Hmm... I bet the original iPhone negotiations went like this:
Apple: we'd like to bring our phone to your network because of your great network quality and massive customer base.
Verizon: cool. One thing though, where do you plan to put Vcast?
Apple: That's not going to be part of the plan..
Verizon: well your stupid ipod phone is going to fail anyway we don't need you. Goodbye.
When will Verizon quit thinking they can dictate everything? | |
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
·Vonage
| Re: Hmm... said by Fluker :When will Verizon quit thinking they can dictate everything? When they have a Network and CS as bad as AT&T, that's when  | |
| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
1 edit | said by Fluker :When will Verizon quit thinking they can dictate everything? When the sheep stop being sheep. | |
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gklimeck
join:2002-07-14
Euless, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Yahoo
| 2 Different iPhone models? I don't see Apple manufacturing 2 different iPhone models just so Verizon can sell the it. What I do see, is Verizon moving to GSM technology or maybe even using the iPhones release in 2010 for WiMax. To have a CDMA & GSM iPhone in the US is a move backwards and it will confuse the market place just like the times when Apple fired Jobs and Amelio started to manufacture all those Macintosh computers that made your head spin trying to decide which was right for you. | |
| | shortyd999
join:2008-10-21
Birmingham, AL | Re: 2 Different iPhone models? Well we all knw VZW will never use GSM. They're already on the roll with EVDO rel A. And I think they're going to go LTE for the future. | |
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No to ESPN
@sbcglobal.net | Re: 2 Different iPhone models? Wonder what the Storm from BlackBerry will do considering it will work (if allowed)almost anywhere. It is a full CDMA and GSM phone. Welcome to the future. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: 2 Different iPhone models? said by No to ESPN :
Wonder what the Storm from BlackBerry will do considering it will work (if allowed)almost anywhere. It is a full CDMA and GSM phone. Welcome to the future.
Better be powered by a nuclear battery if you want to be running 2 cellphone modems at the same time. | |
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join:2004-06-12
Monroe, NC | Re: 2 Different iPhone models? It probably wouldn't be all that hard for them to have a software or hardware switch that toggles between the two different chips.
It'd do no good to have both running at the same time. | |
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