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| Re: whats so hard about pretending? said by INT0CABLE  :pretend comcrap thats all we ask P-R-E-T-E-N-D! Cuomo should take a good look at Spitzers practices if he wants to be a credible advocate. Until then, he appears to be just as crooked! | |
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Rob
In Deo speramus
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Kendall, FL
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| Re: whats so hard about pretending? said by TK Junk Mail :said by INT0CABLE :pretend comcrap thats all we ask P-R-E-T-E-N-D! My guess is Comcast will do what others have done. Throw in the towel and just end any newsgroup service as part of being a Comcast internet customer. Bye Bye Giganews. It will be totally gone soon as part of the price of subscribing to Comcast internet. I don't think so. I really do believe that Comcast will fight this through. | |
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join:2002-04-10
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| Wait... Wait...Wait... Speak.... No .. Wait... and say it.
Won't someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! (Simpsons Paranoia). End Rant. | |
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join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
| Re: whats so hard about pretending? said by jc100 :Won't someone PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! (Simpsons Paranoia). End Rant. Isn't that what the problem is? | |
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| Re: whats so hard about pretending? HHAHAHAH.... Well I wasn't referring to that in a literal sense but OK. I was implying there's a lot of hysteria and Hoopla being passed onto the ISPS in the name of the children. All for a political band stand and nothing else. However, you're response works too I guess. | |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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| said by S_engineer :Isn't that what the problem is? What children do, see, where they go, when and if their diapers get changed etc.... is the responsibility of the parents not the STATE!
This rug-rat paranoia is beyond the pale, and rather disgusting.
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Whatta Ya Think About Dat?
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Kitchener, ON
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| In this day and age it's amazing... that record companies can sue the pants off (well, that's a bad pun) of a 9-year old kid and 90 year old granny (now that's more like it) for downloading stuff like, Barney's Greatest Hits and "Greatest Songs from the hit Series: Murder She Wrote", yet, child porn is freely available. Something wrong with this world. I mean, seriously wrong. Why should these ISP be threatened?? Shouldn't this be an automatic thing? I mean, they can traffic shape and stuff like that, but this crap is too hard to stop?
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by jeffster1970 :that record companies can sue the pants off (well, that's a bad pun) of a 9-year old kid and 90 year old granny (now that's more like it) for downloading stuff like, Barney's Greatest Hits and "Greatest Songs from the hit Series: Murder She Wrote", yet, child porn is freely available. Something wrong with this world. I mean, seriously wrong. Why should these ISP be threatened?? Shouldn't this be an automatic thing? I mean, they can traffic shape and stuff like that, but this crap is too hard to stop? Priorities, people, priorities. Porn -kiddie or otherwise- will never be eliminated just like all the other less than ideal elements of society will never go away. It is the price for living in a free society vs a dictatorship surveillance society where every piece of mail and/or digital pakcet is opened and examined by default. | |
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North Augusta, SC
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| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by SilverSurfer :said by jeffster1970 :that record companies can sue the pants off (well, that's a bad pun) of a 9-year old kid and 90 year old granny (now that's more like it) for downloading stuff like, Barney's Greatest Hits and "Greatest Songs from the hit Series: Murder She Wrote", yet, child porn is freely available. Something wrong with this world. I mean, seriously wrong. Why should these ISP be threatened?? Shouldn't this be an automatic thing? I mean, they can traffic shape and stuff like that, but this crap is too hard to stop? Priorities, people, priorities. Porn -kiddie or otherwise- will never be eliminated just like all the other less than ideal elements of society will never go away. It is the price for living in a free society vs a dictatorship surveillance society where every piece of mail and/or digital pakcet is opened and examined by default. And cue the posters that will foam on and on about how they feel we're already there...
'Oh we live in that society now dude! This George Bush guy is all up in your business man. I mean this last law they like just passed was pretty freakin gnarly' | |
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| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by Neyland85 :And cue the posters that will foam on and on about how they feel we're already there... 'Oh we live in that society now dude! This George Bush guy is all up in your business man. I mean this last law they like just passed was pretty freakin gnarly' LMAO. Do you even know what you're talking about. | |
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join:2003-02-04
North Augusta, SC
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| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by SilverSurfer :said by Neyland85 :And cue the posters that will foam on and on about how they feel we're already there... 'Oh we live in that society now dude! This George Bush guy is all up in your business man. I mean this last law they like just passed was pretty freakin gnarly' LMAO. Do you even know what you're talking about. Well ya see it was a joke... Perhaps a poor one, but every time someone on these forums say anything that might reference the gov looking into their private 'matters' a rather lengthy rabid disccusion ensues over our current president, wire tapping, and those that feel it's a violation and those that feel it's warranted. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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| Record companies don't make money off of kiddie porn. They don't care about it because it's not their business to care about it. If they were in the business of selling child porn you can bet that they would be going after it as much as they go after music downloaders. | |
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sivran
God Save The Suite
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join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs: | Re: In this day and age it's amazing... Usenet is unfiltered. If a provider carries a group, they get anything and everything that is posted to said group. No one at the server end moderates it. It's up to the clients to filter on their own. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| said by jeffster1970 :True, no one should expect the RIAA or movie studio's to do anything about child pornography, however, since the ISP's are involved in weeding out the criminals for downloading the latest Britney Spears single, they should also be able to block stuff clearly labelled as child porn. " 6 year old gives blow job to 17 year old boy " in the decription makes it pretty clear How exactly do you block an attachment based off of a subject line of a post? How do you differentiate between a image of, from your example, a child performing oral sex from say a PDF of a news article with the same subject? Computers are still extremely dumb. It's basically impossible to deterministically decide what's obscene/illegal/etc and what's not.
I don't recall ever seeing a single ISP that has gone after one of their customers for downloading something illegal. Just like the RIAA isn't in the child porn biz, ISPs aren't in the music and movie biz. They just don't care. It's not their fight.
ISPs however are in the business of making money. And if something costs them extra money and they don't have a chance to recover it, then they aren't going to allow it. This is why many are looking at caps. It's not WHAT people are downloading. It's how MUCH they are downloading.
ISPs are also going to minimize their liability when it comes to over-reaching attorney generals. There is a real simple formula businesses usually follow when talking about liability. If the benefit of service (aka profit) is less than the cost of offering the service + potential legal costs of offering service, then they aren't going to offer it.
With the current NY AG fight to "stop" child porn by going after Usenet, the ISPs simply decided that the cost + legal was greater then the profit. Usenet doesn't make money. It only costs it. The .000001% of customers that might leave their ISP because they no longer provide Usenet access are simply absorbed as normal churn and won't be felt in the pocket book. In some cases, it actually could make the pocketbook grow thicker as the cost of providing the service is not minimal. Those that must have Usenet will just go to Giganew, Easynews, et al and continue downloading away.
If/when Mr. Cuomo goes after Usenet providers like Giganews or Easynews, expect much more of a fight. These companies do make money off the service so the legal portion of the above formula can be much higher before it tips the scales. They also "get it" and won't be so willing to implement or block something that obviously won't change anything. | |
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Jason Levine
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| Re: In this day and age it's amazing... said by cdru :How exactly do you block an attachment based off of a subject line of a post? How do you differentiate between a image of, from your example, a child performing oral sex from say a PDF of a news article with the same subject? And going even further, let's say your computer spots a post with an image attachment called "Susie at the beach.jpg" Now is that a kid having fun at the beach (innocent image)? Child porn? An adult at the beach (also innocent image)? Or perhaps adult porn (legal, even if distasteful to some people).
The only way to know is for a human to open it up and even then it can be vague. What looks like an innocent child building a sand castle at the beach to us might be a turn on for someone into child porn. You might have to look at the context of the group, of the poster's previous images, etc. That's not something that computers can reasonably do yet.
All Andrew Cuomo is doing is grabbing some quick and easy good PR. "Hey! Look at me! I'm fighting child porn! Aren't I such a great guy?"
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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| Comcast doesn't actually have any newsgroups Comcast doesn't actually have any newsgroups that they run themselves. But they do put their name on the service provided by Giganews, who runs the service for them.
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Robb
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join:2001-03-11
Hillsboro, OR | A little birdie told me weeks ago that Giganews told Cuomo to go fsck himself.
Now that I see this news, I know that this is about getting Comcast to put the pressure on Giganews. I predict that it won't work -- big time! | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN | Re: This is about POWER! We could, but all the dominatrix website ad pictures on Usenet have been blocked. | |
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Elmhurst, NY
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| What an idiot. That excerpt from the letter from the AG to Comcast reads like a fictional novel. What a tool. All we need is for him to make his mark with this useless waste of taxpayer money and then get caught and convicted of tax evasion or something like his predecessor got caught with. LOL!
It's weird - part of me applauds Comcast for sticking to their guns. The other part thinks they should just go with the flow and do nothing differently as everyone has followed. The problem, though, is that you leave the door just a little open for the AG to dictate what you can do and then you open a can of worms in the future. | |
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ThirdShifter
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Vernon Rockville, CT | Block usenet.. and something else will fill the vacuum. Why is it hard to make people understand that.. eliminate one thing youre just gonna have something else replace it.
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| Re: Block usenet.. and something else will fill the vacuum. said by justbits :At least usenet is not encrypted... 256 Bit SSL Encrypted Usenet
»https://secure.giganews.com/signup/?acco···IA-MO::1
Giganews is very encrypted.
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| Re: Block usenet.. and something else will fill the vacuum. Um, your connection to it can be encrypted. The content carried on USENET servers generally is not. It's easy to spot JPEGs of kiddy porn, but when all you see are encrypted files, nobody has any idea if they're kiddy porn or government secrets or a copy of the Bible unless they have or can crack the encryption key. | |
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ThirdShifter
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| Re: Block usenet.. and something else will fill the vacuum. said by Jason Levine :Exactly. Like P2P. Of course, then they'll block that and the child pornographers will move to something else. Like FTP. So the ISPs will block that. Then the child pornographers will move to HTTP. Then they can block that. Imagine how much the ISPs would love that setup. You pay them $50+ a month and in return you get a completely blocked up pipe.  Meanwhile, Andrew Cuomo can pose in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner.  Well, atleast people in America will be safe from the evil of the internets. | |
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mazhurg
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join:2004-05-02
Trenton, ON | The more things change ... What is there to be afraid of?
It's better for all of us; only child sickos and pirates are affected.
We'll never get them to censure other stuff... Honest!
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Sterling Heights, MI | Re: The more things change ... Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. | |
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| Topic Cuomo should stop blowing smoke up his own a$$ from all this media coverage and start putting more effort into preventing pedophiles from abducting/molesting children. I think every parent would agree they would rather see something done which would prevent thier kids from being the target of pedophiles instead of some stupid initiative to stop the spread of child porn. Get your priorities straight and stop being a media wh0re. | |
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Attempting to stop pedophiles by removing kiddie porn from usenet will be as effective as trying to stop convenience store robberies by removing surveillance camera crime videos from youtube.
The crime is the act of abusing a little kid.
The criminal is the pedophile.
The photo/video is just evidence. Are they going to throw me in jail for watching NCIS or Criminal Minds?
You'd think the NY AG would realize that. | |
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join:2004-04-24
Pompano Beach, FL
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| Thanks.. The image letter is exactly what I needed. To file a Bar association complaint against Cuomo.
For Extortion..
The Comcast is clearly covered by Common carrier protection.
It time to fight this idiot in court, and remove his license to practice law.
The only thing Comcast is legally obligated to do.
Is to remove any cached content on a per request basis.
Removing binaries groups on a wholesale basis is something right out of 1984. | |
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mmainprize
join:2001-12-06
Houghton Lake, MI | So who's fault is it So if this law come to pass
I can just hear it now. Some jerk gets his PC hauled in and then find child pron on it. He says well it is the ISP's fault because they did not block it.
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mrchris
Stop deleting my posts
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North Babylon, NY | Source? Go after the source of the filth, not the medium it is going over!
Idiot politicians. | |
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Bloomfield, NJ | where the hell is kid porn anyway??? i thought that most of these porn sites were like private file sharing websites?
how much is really on usenet anyway? | |
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Surviving Ashraful
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Warwick, NY
clubs: | And once again..... .....child porn is a PEOPLE problem, not an "Internet" problem.
Wake up Andrew. | |
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Virtual Channel or RF?
join:2001-10-10
Edison, NJ | From AG to Governor? Following in the footsteps of Spitzer. Make a name for yourself harassing businesses and you can coast your way to the NY Governorship. | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| Re: From AG to Governor? Except that Spitzer did some real good as AG and went after people who were really breaking the law. He didn't just do blatant PR stunts like Cuomo is doing. I honestly thought Spitzer would make a good governor (as did my boss who is usually a staunch Republican). We were both surprised at the Spitzer Incident. | |
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Poway, CA
clubs: | Re: I bet he has skeletons in his closet Of course he does. Every politician does. It's practically a prerequisite for being a politician.
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rawgerz
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Grove City, PA | Wouldn't it be ironic if he was some sick freak like that "Mr. hands" guy  | |
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
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Grove City, PA | Re: I bet he has skeletons in his closet I knew that guy was involved with them, but not trying to shut them down too. Now that is ironic! | |
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Skeedatl
Ah, push it - push it real good
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The Cloud | Comcast pretends to give a crap about customers They're experts at pretending. It should be a cinch. | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| Cuomo's Just Trying For Easy PR Cuomo's just going for some quick and easy PR for himself. I think this statement says it all:
Time is of the essence here, as every day without these measures is another day that this illegal material is sluicing through the Internet.
So Comcast keeping their news feeds keeps child porn on the Internet? Child Pornographers the world over will toss their hands up and give up once Comcast drops their news feeds? Right. Because Child Pornographers would never think to use an alternative news feed service. (Oh bother. Now Andrew Cuomo is going to have to arrest me for aiding and abetting Child Pornographers. )
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join:2006-03-01 | Re: Cuomo's Just Trying For Easy PR Exactly my thoughts, Jason. Political grandstanding at its finest. | |
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