U2 Manager: Crazy ISP Hippies Should Pay UsLikens ISPs to 'shoplifters' who have ignored the poor RIAA's plight... ( old news - 02:11PM Thursday Jun 05 2008) tags: competition · Fileswapping · business · content · OdditiesU2's long-time manager Paul McGuinness blames Silicon Valley's "hippy values" (see his post at the band's website) for the collapse of the music industry. He has long argued that ISPs and all technology companies should pay the music industry. McGuinnes argues that ISPs and companies like Google have "built multi-billion dollar industries on the back of our content without paying for it." This week he repeated claims that ISPs are no good shoplifters: Speaking at the Music Matters confab in Hong Kong, McGuinness likened ISPs to "shoplifters" and accused them of "turning their heads" away from the music industry's troubles and "rigging the market." "The recorded music industry is in a crisis, and there is crucial help available but not being provided by companies who should be providing that help -- not just because it is morally right, but because it is in their commercial interest," McGuinness said.  ISPs and mobile operators are the business partners of the future for the recorded music business -- but they have to share the money in a way that reflects what music is doing for their business. -U2 Manager Paul McGuinness |
I'd argue that a lot of the music industry's problems were of their own making, choosing to sue the living hell out of their customer base instead of adapting to piracy's impact. Sure, it's true that the lure of "free stuff" quietly drove broadband adoption for years, but I still don't think that makes it the ISPs' problem. Still, the industry is shifting (particularly ISPs with an eye on content). With fewer dial-up users left to convert, the focus has moved from signing up new customers to retaining existing users via long term contracts. Now that piracy is no longer useful as the silent marketing partner, you're seeing companies like Comcast consider harsher DMCA abuse penalties and AT&T consider piracy filters. In addition to the music industry's push to get ISPs to employ filters, they'd also like to see all broadband users pay a "piracy tax" (calling it that really annoys them). The industry in April created an entirely new organization tasked with making such a plan a reality. While collective licensing proposals have been around for years, something tells me the RIAA's version won't be quite as consumer friendly as the EFF's, which was proposed back in 2004, and subsequently ignored by the music industry. McGuinness's concept takes this idea one step further, and would involve ISPs, users and companies like Google all paying the music industry, well, just because.
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ykronic
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Canada | And all this time..... I thought Bono was the only reason I hated U2 | |
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antarctica
| said by ykronic  :I thought Bono was the only reason I hated U2 That and that "Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah" song. Helloooo helloooo? That's a perfect example of why the music industry is "failing". | |
| | | backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | Re: And all this time..... Let's also not forget that U2 has one of the highest concert incomes in the business.
I think they are top 10 if not top 5 for income from concerts
Cry me a river | |
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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clubs: | Re: And all this time..... One word describes him. GREEDY | |
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join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| Re: And all this time..... said by MysticGogeta :One word describes him. GREEDY I can think of quite a few words to describe him, and lets just say Greedy is the most flattering. | |
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join:2001-02-26
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| Re: And all this time..... said by TK Junk Mail :And I thought everyone here was concerned about THE ARTISTS getting their money. Well here is one who is and still people aren't happy. Maybe, just maybe, people want their music for free, and they don't care if ANYONE gets paid for it. That clown is just another middle man trying to soak up money without contributing anything to the art.
The only people losing money due to piracy are the Recording Industry pricks. The majority of artists barely see a fraction of the revenue from record sales, and rely on concerts and Tshirt sales to make their money, which piracy actually HELPS because piracy is in essence free worldwide distribution and promotion of the band and its songs. | |
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join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
| Bono blames piracy for how poorly his last album sold. The recording industry convinced him it wasn't that his last album was a piece of crap, it's that everyone stole it. He's such an ego maniac he actually believes that is the reason. His last album did poorly because it was garbage. He's a self righteous idiot that actually thinks he's more important than anyone else. Listen to some of the other things he's said, not just the snippets the music industry gives the press as sound bites and you will see the truth of it. | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| We are concerned about the artists. However, that doesn't mean we can't disagree with a ridiculous opinion that an artist has or an outrageous proposal that an artist makes.
Common Carrier law states that the ISPs aren't responsible for illegal actions taken on their lines provided that they take reasonable steps to stop those actions once alerted to it. So if a file is being shared illegally, the recording industry notifies the ISP (via a DMCA letter - the one good part of the DMCA) and the ISP then takes down the material. ISP is in the clear. (Of course, the poster can protest the letter, etc, but the important part is that the ISP doesn't have any liability.)
If we drop common carrier status, then not only will the ISPs have to pay the music industry money for piracy that goes over their lines, but they'll need to pay the movie industry. And TV industry. And book industry (might be scanned books). And software industry. As the fines pile up, ISPs will eventually be forced to shut down.
And it's not just ISPs. Website operators will be forced to shut down. Let's say someone makes a post here and includes an MP3 of a copyrighted song. Justin would get a DMCA letter telling him to take it down. He would (I'm guessing) and all would be fine.
Without common carrier, though, Justin would be liable for anything anyone posted. If I posted an MP3 illegally here, he could be facing multi-million dollar fines. The prospect of some random user causing you huge financial difficulty or even bankruptcy would result in many websites closing down.
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old_dawg
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Westminster, MD
| said by ykronic :I thought Bono was the only reason I hated U2 Now that clears the bases, amen brother!
No dogs or pretentious wannabe Irish "rock stars" allowed
No offense intended to the Irish in general 
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vpoko
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| Why stop there? Let's go after PC manufacturers, OS developers, BIOS manufacturers, the electric company, furniture companies (no furniture = no computer use = no stealing), and everyone else! Because protectionism should come at any cost. Doesn't matter what kind of losses you create in other industries, everyone must actively work to enrich one particular industry.
But the music industry is doing good for these companies, which is why they need to be forced to pay at gunpoint. After all, they can't just tell the music industry to take a hike and that they'll be fine without it, because nobody can live without RIAA.
Luckily the industries they're going after are as well-connected as them. | |
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lotusracer
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Moline, IL
| Re: Why stop there? said by vpoko :Let's go after PC manufacturers, OS developers, BIOS manufacturers, the electric company, furniture companies (no furniture = no computer use = no stealing), and everyone else! What's next, they go after God because had he not created mankind, there would be no piracy?  | |
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mifted
@telus.net
| Time To Embrace the Future? said by vpoko :Let's go after PC manufacturers, OS developers, BIOS manufacturers, the electric company, furniture companies (no furniture = no computer use = no stealing), and everyone else! Because protectionism should come at any cost. Doesn't matter what kind of losses you create in other industries, everyone must actively work to enrich one particular industry. But the music industry is doing good for these companies, which is why they need to be forced to pay at gunpoint. After all, they can't just tell the music industry to take a hike and that they'll be fine without it, because nobody can live without RIAA. Luckily the industries they're going after are as well-connected as them. YUP! Might as well make it illegal to own computers, DVD reorders, tape recorders and VCR's ! *LOL*
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Rather than all these music companies pointing the finger and saying ISPs and everyone else needs to change. Maybe THEY should change, maybe THEY should get with the times, maybe THEY should find away to WORK WITH the future rather than fighting the future!!! Yes its 'Time To Embrace the Future' sir!! Whos the dinosaurs? | |
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mech1164
I'Ll Be Back
join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ
| Re: Time To Embrace the Future? said by mifted :said by vpoko :Let's go after PC manufacturers, OS developers, BIOS manufacturers, the electric company, furniture companies (no furniture = no computer use = no stealing), and everyone else! Because protectionism should come at any cost. Doesn't matter what kind of losses you create in other industries, everyone must actively work to enrich one particular industry. But the music industry is doing good for these companies, which is why they need to be forced to pay at gunpoint. After all, they can't just tell the music industry to take a hike and that they'll be fine without it, because nobody can live without RIAA. Luckily the industries they're going after are as well-connected as them. YUP! Might as well make it illegal to own computers, DVD reorders, tape recorders and VCR's ! *LOL* Actually they did this in the 80's they tried to outlaw tapes and VCR. At the time it failed. But the still keep trying now with even more well paid off congressman.  | |
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NANCY S
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| I’ve quoted several sources in my research in helping me form this opinion, so if I have broken anyone’s copyright law…SUE ME! – Nancy S.
Touring, more than ever, is where the money is: The vast majority of artists in our Top Thirty made the bulk of their cash on the road in 2005. Album royalties pale in comparison. "The music business has changed," says Paul McGuinness, longtime manager of U2, who came out on top last year, taking in an estimated $154.2 million after selling out more than 100 arena and stadium shows around the world. "Our recording income is not insignificant, but it's less than we make from touring. The figures used to be closer together." U2 make an estimated $15 million in advances for each album they release, plus additional royalties; they grossed $139 million on the road in North America in 2005 -- including as much as $150,000 per night in merchandise sales. Touring is simply far more profitable than selling CDs, explains Jim Guerinot, who manages Gwen Stefani (No. 16, $23.9 million). "With CDs, you're making between fifteen and twenty-five percent royalty," he says. "On the road you get a royalty of eighty-five to ninety percent" [from ticket sales].
Rock's Top Thirty Moneymakers (Rolling Stone Magazine)
1. U2, $154.2 million
2. The Rolling Stones, $92.5 million
3. Eagles, $63.2 million
4. Paul McCartney, $56 million
5. Elton John, $48.9 million
6. Neil Diamond, $44.7 million
7. Jimmy Buffett, $44 million
8. Rod Stewart, $40.3 million
9. Dave Matthews Band, $39.6 million
10. Celine Dion, $38.5 million
11. Kenny Chesney, $31.5 million
12. Green Day, $31 million
13. Coldplay, $30.1 million
14. Destiny's Child, $24.8 million
15. Diddy, $24.3 million
16. Gwen Stefani, $23.9 million
17. Toby Keith, $22.2 million
18. Motley Crue, $22 million
19. 50 Cent, $19.7 million
20. Bruce Springsteen, $19.6 million
21. Eminem, $17.8 million
22. Jay-Z, $17.5 million
23. Barry Manilow, $17.2 million
24. Hilary Duff, $17.1 million
25. Kanye West, $16.9 million
26. Dr. Dre, $16.9 million
27. Rascal Flatts, $16.3 million
28. Aerosmith, $16.3 million
29. Bon Jovi, $15.8 million
30. Tom Petty, $14.9 million
The list was compiled using interviews with record executives, managers, lawyers and agents. It uses figures from Nielsen SoundScan, Pollstar, the Recording Industry Association of America, Amusement Business/Billboard and other sources. Net figures reflect performers' earnings after expenses have been deducted and managers, agents and lawyers have taken their cuts.
But the online song downloading service that recently expanded to Europe has become valuable to Apple because it leads to iPod sales. Download sale revenue for the fourth quarter should be about $2.1 billion.
In 2007, Music Earnings Report concludes that file-sharing is responsible for the entire decline in record sales that has occurred, and that except for file-sharing there would have been an increase in sales since 1999 instead of the strong decline. Internet blogs when contributors state that finding (a positive association between the number of P2P downloads and CD album purchases for the sub-sample of downloader’s) is trivial and can be explained away by the fact that people with a high interest in music, do both: purchase CD albums and download P2P files.
Overall earnings of the industry are on the increase, not on the decrease (PWC, 2007). The broader music sector, is now worth more than $US 130 billion globally. Its economic importance extends far further than the recorded music sector, ranging from radio advertising revenue, record company revenues, musical instrument sale, live music sector, music retail sectors, portable digital payers, to music publishing (IFPI, 2007). The so called "demise of the music industry" is highly contentious; indeed and completely disingenuous, for example, Price Waterhouse Cooper argues that the media industry, including music, is in a strongest position since 2000; and predicts a 7.3 per cent growth annually up to $1.8 trillion in 2009 (PWC, 2005). While sales of recorded music (physical retail) have been on a declining trend since 2002, the sales of digital content have been on a notable increase (by 60 per cent since 2006). Some music companies and musicians, hold file sharing uniquely responsible for the decline in record sales i.e., largely unauthorized downloading, is basically erroneous and far too simplistic. Moreover, such an assertion indicates a lack of understanding of the dynamics of the current process of creative destruction and transformation to the digital paradigm in the "recorded" music industry(in other words they charge to much for a CD, which on average costs music companies 8 cents to manufacture). While record sales have declined, that does not imply that the entire industry is in the decline. Indeed, other segments have risen in volume and in earnings, more than offsetting the decline in record /CD sales.
There is no empirical basis for such a facetious assertion that downloading or P2P is the ultimate reason. Additionally, there may be many other reasons for decline in record sales (the white elephant in the room), other than increase in file sharing (e.g., transformation to the digital technological paradigm, excessively high prices of CDs, i.e., excessive mark up, standardized quality, decline in purchasing power for luxury goods, lower degrees of choice and diversity, etc).
File sharing and downloading not only increases market exposure but significantly reduces marketing and advertising costs. File sharing, as the imminent dominant mode of music consumption, is proving to be more "efficient" than simply purchasing pre-recorded music. Owing to diffusion of technical change, it is far cheaper, as it reduces the costs of intermediation and allows consumer’s greater choice over listening patterns; facilitating the growth of demand-driven patterns of consumption thereby enabling greater consumer participation, and more interactive modes of consumption. Global consumers as well as new producers can benefit greatly from the new P2P file sharing technologies that should be facilitated and legalized, rather than hindered.
Institute for Creative Industries and Innovation
Queensland University of Technology
Forbes Magazine
Rolling Stone Magazine
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Rogue Wolf
Came To Bury Caesar, Not To Praise Him
join:2003-08-12
Saratoga Springs, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Why stop there? Don't forget the manufacturers of headphones. After all, they're deliberately helping us hide our sinful, infringing ways from the proper authorities!
And speaker manufacturers too! They let us play our songs aloud so that others, who have not paid for the privlege, can hear them!
Remember- whether you're guilty or innocent, hearing or deaf, alive or dead, the RIAA has a right to your money!
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Camelot One
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Sarasota, FL
clubs: | I'll say this as maturely as McGuinness' comments warrant Blow me. | |
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Jeffrey
Bye George, 1937-2008
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Long Island
clubs: | Re: I'll say this as maturely as McGuinness' comments warrant said by Camelot One :Blow me. I like your answer. | |
| | SierraRob
join:2007-01-10
Prather, CA
| Sorry dude, I own the copyright on "Blow me". You owe me $16845.97 for lost potential revenues, trademark dilution, consumer confusion, etc. etc. A thuggish-looking man with a thick Italian accent will be stopping by to collect. Please have your checkbook ready. | |
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Camelot One
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Sarasota, FL
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| Re: I'll say this as maturely as McGuinness' comments warrant said by SierraRob :Sorry dude, I own the copyright on "Blow me". You owe me $16845.97 for lost potential revenues, trademark dilution, consumer confusion, etc. etc. A thuggish-looking man with a thick Italian accent will be stopping by to collect. Please have your checkbook ready. I think your anger is misplaced. You should instead send your thugs after my ISP for allowing me to post your copywrited phrase.
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| | | arck1969
join:2006-11-27
Apple Valley, CA | The Music Sucks Now it can not have anything to do with music these days sucking? So charge everyone for crap they are not buying. | |
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mrchris
America the pitiful
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North Babylon, NY | Re: The Music Sucks Which is why my music taste is nowhere in the 'popular' vein as the many millions of clueless listeners get their 'hits' from the payola/Clear Channel controlled radio. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
 ·Cruzio Internet
| said by arck1969 :Now it can not have anything to do with music these days sucking? So charge everyone for crap they are not buying. Thats right, I don't want to be paying for crap music that OTHER people are pirating.
If I liked something enough to buy it(seldom), I will purchase it in CD form at the vendor of my choice, perhaps used or on sale. I don't take peoples IP without compensation.
Usually I get enough of it from my favorite radio stations to the point of getting tired of it even if I really like it.
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alex4life
Alex4life
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Delta, BC
| Re: The Music Sucks said by gaforces : will purchase it in CD form at the vendor of my choice, perhaps used or on sale. I don't take peoples IP without compensation. Isn't it illegal to buy a used CD? The person selling it does not have the right to resell it.
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Hingham, MA | Re: The Music Sucks First-sale doctrine DEFINITELY applies to used CDs. | |
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mig
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Anytown, USA
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| How about this? With most of todays' music (is that what the RIAA really calls this?), how about the listner charge the RIAA for being spoon fed this?
Some of the bands out there deserve to be compensated for their works, many of the bands out there need to find new careers and stop pretending to be artists. | |
| Taget
join:2004-07-29
| If you really want to go to the heart of the problem... ....start taxing the "artists" (if you can use that word to describe some 3rd runner up on American Idol) who continually fail to make anything worth buying. Without all these "musicians" failing to make music anyone wants the "music industry" wouldnt be in the situation it is. | |
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ironweasel
Weezy
join:2000-09-13
Belen, NM
| Re: If you really want to go to the heart of the problem... said by Taget :....start taxing the "artists" (if you can use that word to describe some 3rd runner up on American Idol) who continually fail to make anything worth buying. Without all these "musicians" failing to make music anyone wants the "music industry" wouldnt be in the situation it is. I would have no problem paying $15 for a CD, even if I only liked 2 or 3 songs on the entire album.
The catch?
At least half goes to the actual artist, instead of the 75 cents or whatever the record companies are passing along to them now. | |
| | | james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica | Re: If you really want to go to the heart of the problem... Agreed. The only "shoplifters" here are the record companies. | |
| zalternate
join:2007-02-22
BC | Everyones a criminal, without evidence. Everyone's a criminal and all the sinners saints. So just call me Lucifer..........
And the Music industry should not forget to get the rights to your first born. And royalties of the content of the kids diapers.. | |
| | dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Everyones a criminal, without evidence. said by zalternate :Everyone's a criminal and all the sinners saints. So just call me Lucifer.......... And the Music industry should not forget to get the rights to your first born. And royalties of the content of the kids diapers.. ...and now we're back to Bono... | |
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Dogfather
Altitude is your friend
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Laguna Hills, CA
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| U2 really looks like they're hurting It's a miracle they have enough money for food
The RIAA should pay me a noise pollution tax cause their crap sucks ass. | |
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Pv8man999
@wideopenwest.com
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guitarzan
| Well.. Mcguinnes: ISPs and companies like Google have "built multi-billion dollar industries on the back of our content without paying for it."
Even if that were true.....
HAAAA....Oh well...... How does it feel to get f*cked like a good ol average joe american.
Doesn't fell good does it? | |
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freebird317
Premium
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Portland, OR
·Comcast
| Re: Well.. said by Pv8man999 :
Even if that were true.....
HAAAA....Oh well...... How does it feel to get f*cked like a good ol average joe american.
Doesn't fell good does it?
LOL how true. 
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Bowie, MD
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DownTheShore
Save The US Auto Industry
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Edison, NJ
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| Push The Blame On Someone Else ...instead of where it squarely belongs on - on the record companies. If they didn't start (and continue) to price gouge the consumer after the introduction and switch to the CD format, they probably wouldn't be in the situation they are now. They overcharged the consumers for years, due to their greed, so naturally alternative sources for the product developed. The mindset that developed was a product of that: "if it's okay for them to screw us, it's okay for us to screw them".
Without their greed providing the impetus, I wonder if our personal ethics would have changed to that degree so comprehensively.
Frankly, though, we're the ones that give bands like U2 and all the rest the income to allow them to have their mansions and bling and flights to Hong Kong for speeches. So forgive me if I don't cry them a river. I can appreciate the music that has enriched my life over all these years, but their recompense has greatly exceeded their contribution, and I think they tend to lose that perspective on themselves.
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY | ... I wouldn't mix ISP with YouTube, but YouTube does leave me amazed. They host and distribute countless amounts of copyrighted material, in some cases millions of times over. And it's not shut down! So much for copyright. | |
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FLengineer
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join:2007-06-26 | And on another subject. Porn producers should have to pay a Masturbation Tax to all married women for their losses. | |
| Anomaly95
join:2005-12-11
Phoenix, AZ | Artists? It's not like the artists would see any extra money if the RIAA did get royalties from the communication (and computer?) industry... | |
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Nightshade
sic semper tyrannis
Premium
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Salem, OR
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June 5th, @04:00PM
| Facts from the IFPI I came across this article from the IFPI, the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. The article is called "The Broader Music Industry."
The recorded music industry is the engine helping to drive a much broader music industry, worth more than US$130 billion globally. Global retail sales of recorded music totaled US$31 billion in 2006. Music also is one of the leading creative industries driving the media and entertainment sector that is now worth an estimated US$1.4 trillion, with experts predicting this figure will grow to US$1.8 trillion by 2010 (PWC). Source:
www.ifpi.org/content/library/the-broader-music-industry.pdf
It seems that Paul McGuinness has no clue what he's talking about. So it's safe to say that he is either blowing smoke to get attention, has his facts wrong, or is a flat out liar.
Regardless, the facts do not support his argument for a piracy tax. The facts do not support his view that ISPs and all technology companies should pay the music industry for the individual actions of their customers. I am not even going to there with Google, that is just too ludicrous to justify any intelligent response. Finally, the facts do not support that the music industry is in a crisis.
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28
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| Yeah, it's a real pity... that the "music industry" has moved from the "you'll pay us what we think our content is worth" position of RIAA members to the "we won't pay you anything if the content you offer isn't worth anything" position of today's listeners. (In other words, it was OK for them to be the pirates, but God forbid that listeners should become the pirates and "steal" from them.) And if that doesn't work for them, then their solution is extortion (aka a piracy tax). I just feel so sorry for those multi-millionaires. | |
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Edge1
Workin' Ta Live
join:2006-03-01 | Really Paul... ...the music industry is in a crisis? Despite "the sky is falling!" comments we've been hearing for years, there has been no evidence to suggest impending doom for the industry. It just ain't gonna happen. He needs to STFU. | |
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Anon A Mouse
@pacbell.net | Damn You Apple!!! Clearly this is all Steve Jobs fault. If Apple had never invented the iPod, we would not have to live the life of pirates...arrrrr..... | |
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY
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June 5th, @03:49PM
| ... It would seem nearly most of the hardware and much of the software industry is to blame, making piracy possible. Living off the backs of the RIAA and MIAA, they are.
Psst. Mr U2. An endless supply of free porn created the internet - not you. Broadband evolved in response to the World Wide Wait. Waiting 10 or 15 seconds to see the next pair of boobs, only to discover ya really didn't like them anyway, sucked! | |
| | RogerADSL
join:2004-12-10
Lawrenceville, GA
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Damn You Apple!!! said by Anon A Mouse :
Clearly this is all Steve Jobs fault. If Apple had never invented the iPod, we would not have to live the life of pirates...arrrrr.....
The correct pirate groan is ARRRGGGHHHH, please get it correct and send me me damn royalties.
I am RogerADSL and I approve of this message. ARRGGHHHH | |
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Millenniumle
join:2007-11-11
Fredonia, NY | Re: Damn You Apple!!!
"Who was that **cker that created binary?"
"We have people who can find out."
"Let's find him and go after his ass." | |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Laughable. ISPs are pipe providers, that's it you chucklehead.
This crap of them not paying the music business is just a load. I always love how the music industry doesn't need to change, it's everyone else that needs to pay them 3x over for the same content.
Also love how every other business is supposed to run to the music industry's aid. That's just funny as hell.
The only folks rigging the market is the music biz itself, and I do believe there was a class action suit which essentially proved that.
Man this dude's a wacko.
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