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join:2007-04-29 | . Thank you for the opt-out link!!!  | |
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antdude
A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25 | Ditto.
Um, where does the settings get saved? My Web browser's cookies? RR server? | |
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AnonProxy
Proxy of Anon
Premium
join:2001-05-12
ß
| Re: . It gets saved at the server level at their (TWC/RR) location. Since you have RR, they know your IP and it is tied to the IP you have at the time. Where this will get interesting is when they reissue an IP to someone else...the preferences will still be saved. | |
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A Ninja Ant
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
| Re: . said by AnonProxy  :It gets saved at the server level at their (TWC/RR) location. Since you have RR, they know your IP and it is tied to the IP you have at the time. Where this will get interesting is when they reissue an IP to someone else...the preferences will still be saved. Good question indeed! I was expecting me to log in to some place with my main RR account and go from there. | |
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RainWind
join:2000-10-20
Van Wert, OH
| Leave my internets alone Embarq does this as well. Even after having chosen to opt out I still get dumped to that page on occasion. I wish ISPs would stop this crap. Whenever you mistype something it gives you random suggestions as to what you might be looking for, none of which are related to what you wanted. All it does is confuse people who are computer illiterate when they want to go to a website and end up somewhere completely different telling them they want to purchase laundry detergent instead of music CDs. | |
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Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?
join:2002-05-08
Bethlehem, PA
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| Re: Leave my internets alone said by RainWind :All it does is confuse people who are computer illiterate when they want to go to a website and end up somewhere completely different telling them they want to purchase laundry detergent instead of music CDs. hahahah! That kinda scenario made me laugh out loud.
I just sorta imagined a Google-type "did you mean this" page, where you typed in www.musiccds.com and it comes to a portal-page asking "Did you mean CH34P VI4GRA??//".
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wruckman
Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | DNS Commercials Nothing like having the ability to jam some more commercials down our throat to generate more revenue from a already paid service.
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Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: DNS Commercials said by wruckman :Nothing like having the ability to jam some more commercials down our throat to generate more revenue from a already paid service. Just wait until the larger ISP's start rewriting webpages on the fly and injecting their own crappy ads into them. I've read that this is becoming more common, but I've never come across it myself... yet...
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Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | I would cancel my service on the spot if that occurred.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: DNS Commercials said by wruckman :I would cancel my service on the spot if that occurred. Where are you going to go if telephone company and cable are doing it? | |
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Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | Re: DNS Commercials To the stone age. I'll network with smoke signals.
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Hazeleyze
join:2003-05-09
Wauseon, OH | It's called the Green disease. | |
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purevol
Premium
join:2007-11-02
Norwich, NY
| TW DNS redir yes it breaks stuff. for example, smart browsing, if a user types "dslreports" in the URL/location bar within their browser, it comes back with a Roadrunner page opposed to "dslreports.com" - its crappy really.
TW is also coupling this data, with data it receives from the cable boxes. They have a tight lid on this as they want to leverage this data to charge up advertisers, and do more consumer directed advertising. Lets not forget to mention the fact that its just outright spooky. | |
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Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
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December 26th, @08:15PM
| Re: TW DNS redir said by purevol :yes it breaks stuff. for example, smart browsing, if a user types "dslreports" in the URL/location bar within their browser, it comes back with a Roadrunner page opposed to "dslreports.com" - its crappy really. Are you saying that if I type "g" in the address bar (minus the quotation marks) that Fx won't immediately give me a drop down box with "www.google.com" as the top choice?
Will Open DNS give me the drop down choices?
The only way I ever use Google is by typing "g" in the address bar ad then choosing the google address in the drop down box. I certainly wouldn't want to end up every time I wanted to do a search on Google on RR's portal.
I wouldn't see the RR ads because Proxo will filter them.
Edit: Actually, I don't think this redirection would even work if one is using Proxo.
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Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Nice Why even bother opting out? »Opendns.com has excellent free DNS service that I prefer over my own ISP's. If you're a Linux nerd, you could also just host your own DNS server by running BIND.
Of course, those suggestions don't work so well if your ISP starts to filter traffic on port 53...
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Premium
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Levittown, PA | Re: Nice Doesn't OpenDNS redirect as well? Or is it something different. | |
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SkellBasher
Yes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY
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| Re: Nicesaid by cableties :Doesn't OpenDNS redirect as well? Or is it something different. OpenDNS does this as well. Every time this topic comes up people come out of the woodwork with the 'ZOMG OPENDNS' comments, and they do the exact same thing people are complaining about.
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Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
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| Re: Nice I didn't "come out of the woodwork". I made a suggestion that I thought would be helpful, and I admitted that I forgot they show ads (see below).
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Yes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
North Tonawanda, NY
| Re: Nice said by Done_Posting :I didn't "come out of the woodwork," prick. I made a suggestion that I thought would be helpful, and I admitted that I forgot they show ads (see below). - Tate Don't take it personally. I mean no ill will in your direction. However, look through other discussion threads about ISP DNS redirection over the past year or so, and you will see just about every one has people advising the use of OpenDNS to circumvent their ISPs use of this. A vast majority of them don't bother to mention (or just don't realize) that OpenDNS can only exist because of the revenue they generate from DNS redirection.
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Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Nice said by SkellBasher :Not taking a shot at your personally, don't take it as such. Understood, and I appreciate you taking the time to clarify that your statement wasn't aimed directly at me.
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davoice
join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
·RoadRunner Cable
| Well... At least OpenDNS is up-front about it. And they do let you turn on/off typo correction and customize the redirect page. They also don't cache DNS beyond its TTL (something RR has been doing in many markets for a while that drives our corporate IT department crazy).
Luckily they don't break things like MX Records like the bone heads at Verisign did when they foisted SiteFinder on everyone for a while.
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Shoot to kill
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
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| said by cableties :Doesn't OpenDNS redirect as well? Or is it something different. They'll take you to a page of possible other URL's if they suspect a misspelling, but yes, now that you mention it, I remember that there are text ads on the error page (like Googles's text ads). I think there may be a preference somewhere not to show ads, but I've never explored it.
I guess the real reason I prefer OpenDNS over my ISP's is because of the speed and reliability, so my original post probably isn't completely relevant in a discussion about DNS redirection ads.
My bad. 
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
clubs:
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| Re: Nice said by Done_Posting :said by cableties :Doesn't OpenDNS redirect as well? Or is it something different. They'll take you to a page of possible other URL's if they suspect a misspelling, but yes, now that you mention it, I remember that there are text ads on the error page (like Googles's text ads). I think there may be a preference somewhere not to show ads, but I've never explored it. I guess the real reason I prefer OpenDNS over my ISP's is because of the speed and reliability, so my original post probably isn't completely relevant in a discussion about DNS redirection ads. My bad. - Tate If you become a free signed in user of OpenDns, you can uncheck the correct typos option and then just get an error msg.
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join:2003-02-06
Spring Hope, NC
| Re: Nice There's a big difference between a 404 (Page not found) error and a domain error.
When you get a 404 error you are on a web server of a valid domain. The web server is telling you the URL (html, asp, php, etc.) page does not exist on that server.
The original poster has it wrong about the "page not found" portion. I can setup my web server to hand out a "real" HTML page on all 404 errors and even provide a redirector to another page. I'm assuming this is just for mis-typed URL's. | |
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plencnerb
Premium
join:2000-09-25
Kenosha, WI
clubs:
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December 27th, @01:59PM
| Re: Nice
Option #2 | 
Option #1 |
1) www.microsoft.com/download_IE11/main.html
2) www.microsofffft.com/download_IE11/main.html
In the first example, the site (www.microsoft.com) is valid. However, the path and page (/download_IE11/main.html) is what is not correct. Microsoft has added code to their site to alert you of this. This is what you are saying in regards to coding your page to hand out pages for 404 errors to help the user out. I have no problem with that (and I don't think many people do), as the domain is correct.
However, the problem comes with my 2nd example, as the domain www.microsofffft.com does not exist.
In a "perfect world" no matter what DNS server you are using, if the domain cannot be found, one of the two options above should be shown. Either IE gives you a "generic" error page (Option #1), or you get a bit more information, but no re-direction (Option #2).
If I understand things correctly, that is how DNS is suppose to work, right?
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join:2003-02-06
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| Re: Nice I agree like everyone else. I was just pointing out the post was misleading
"sending wayward surfers and their butterfingers to an ISP-run portal, instead of a traditional page not found error site."
The above should have NOT said anything about a "page not found" | |
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Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY
| I got tired of my ISP's DNS a while back, so here is what I suggest to people:
You know that old PC you have laying around collecting dust? Ever wondered what to do with it? If your completely new to linux, find an easy distribution like fedora and burn it to a DVD..
The next rainy/snowy weekend when you have nothing to do, install it on that old "useless" PC and between the Fedora help pages, and Google, you should be able to plod your way into figuring out how to install BIND on the thing.
Of course, if you understand Linux, you should be able to do this in a few minutes..
Put the machine on your LAN, and use it as your DNS server.. Use your ISP as your secondary or tertiary server just in case. Boom, your all set..
Honestly, it is about the easiest thing in the world to do, and in my opinion, makes this story much less sensational..
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Jafo232
You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
Premium
join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY
| Re: Nice said by plencnerb :Could the same be done with Windows 2003 Enterprise Server, by installing the Windows DNS Server components? I currently run a 2003 Enterprise Server machine for a web and FTP server at home. If that will work, I may look into doing that. It can't be that hard to setup, right? --Brian Sure, I don't see why not..
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join:2007-03-18
Johnstown, PA | I do the exact thing. Promo copy of 2003 Server, running DNS. Boy, are those lookups fast! If I didn't have the promo copy, I'm sure I'd have LINUX do it instead. | |
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join:2003-07-12
Miami, FL
| Some ISPs [e.g. bellsouth.net, back when I used them] block customer access to port 25 of "foreign" systems, requiring you to forward mail via their SMTP servers.
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wruckman
Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | Agreed! | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| said by Done_Posting :Why even bother opting out? » Opendns.com has excellent free DNS service that I prefer over my own ISP's. If you're a Linux nerd, you could also just host your own DNS server by running BIND. Of course, those suggestions don't work so well if your ISP starts to filter traffic on port 53. OpenDNS has their own redir scheme too.
4.2.2.1
4.2.2.2 for "clean lookups"
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Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Nice said by dvd536 :OpenDNS has their own redir scheme too. 4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2 for "clean lookups" L3's public DNS, eh? Currently my PING to them is a full 15 ms faster than the path to OpenDNS, so I'll give L3 a try for a bit.
Thanks for the tip!
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Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Getting it here in Albany, NY Ugh. Looks like I'll have to opt out.
If I want DNS redirection, I'll use a plugin like FireFix ( »https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/501 ). This gives users something better than a standard 404 not found page, but without the page full of ads that RR and the other ISPs are using. | |
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dmeyer
join:2002-08-14
Austin, TX | Sleazy ads They figure anyone who mistypes a URL with "cash" in it will be dumb enough to take out a 299% APR pay day loan.
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Darkk
join:2003-10-03
Almont, MI
·Charter Pipeline
| DNS Re-Direction The opting out I've seen works using a cookie. This means that it only works for a browser. Apparently, major cable companies think that a browser is the only application using the Internet
The browser cookie does nothing to opt other applications out of the DNS re-direction. It's these apps that need the opting out most, so it's worthless.
The only way around it is to not use the ISP's DNS servers at all. | |
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richardak
join:2001-07-08
Seguin, TX | yet another reason to just run your own DNS server I've been using SimpleDNS (»www.simpledns.com/) for years. | |
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joker5656
join:2006-06-23
Greenville, SC | Google search anyone really use there isp search engines in this day and age? i use Google so i don't have to worry. use a search provider like them instead of the isp, and you don't have to worry | |
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
Premium
join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA | Re: Google search Yes, it may be better to redirect yourself rather than to be automatically redirected. | |
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Darkk
join:2003-10-03
Almont, MI | DNS Re-Direction No one is talking about using an ISP's search engine.
We're talking about broken Internet protocols because of DNS re-direction. | |
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join:2006-06-23
Greenville, SC | Re: DNS Re-Direction oh, i was thinking of the search engine problem | |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| As I said before... Time to roll your own.
DNS servers are free and easy to run on your own machine or a dedicated machine on your lan.
Treewalk for Windows »ntcanuck.com/
Bind9 comes with most Linux distro's »www.bind9.net/ | |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: As I said before... said by b10010011 :Time to roll your own. DNS servers are free and easy to run on your own machine or a dedicated machine on your lan. Treewalk for Windows » ntcanuck.com/Bind9 comes with most Linux distro's » www.bind9.net/ MacOS X users have BIND9 installed also. All you need to do is activate it. The simplest way is to just install WebMin »www.webmin.com (which allows activation of all the Servers that come with the system). | |
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Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: As I said before... said by RARPSL :MacOS X users have BIND9 installed also. All you need to do is activate it. Thanks, I'll have to remember that.
I figured there would be something out there for the Mac. | |
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Techie714
join:2005-08-02
Anaheim, CA | Open DNS Open DNS people that's the place to be & it's fast & FREE!
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| Re: Open DNS It is no faster than the ATTIS DNS servers I am currently using, and no freer, either.
If the ATTIS DNS server go the redirect route, I'll just play around with Treewalk, again.
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quibbly
Premium
join:2003-02-07
Sugar Land, TX | 2003 Server or 2003 server has DNS as well If you have your own internal Domain controller on 2000 or 2003 server, you already have your own DNS as well (if you install the Dns services). | |
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Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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Selenia
join:2006-09-22
Pittsfield, MA
·RoadRunner Cable
| So, so, so sad And I thought RR was just overloading resources again when DNS resolution slowed to a crawl on TWC Albany, to the point of occasional timeouts, seemingly only on certain domain names. Turns out they have been mucking with how names resolve to make even more money! YAY cable! NOT!! Well TWC, your implementation is great because it got so slow that it inspired me to start running a DNS server open to computers on my home LAN and I can actually reach sites without timing out! Looks like you stuffed your own ads by making things so slow that I made my own DNS. TWC ftl as usual. | |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| TWC or RR is TWC doing this in their markets or is RoadRunner doing it? Their is a big difference between the two companies. TWC is the actual Cable Operator who can set up their own polices. RR is the actual ISP who also who sets up their own policies- like TWC will tell you that they don't do anything to P2P traffic but RoadRunner will tell you different and is actually stated in the RoadRunner TOS and AUP on the RR site.
DSLReports should find out which company is doing it instead of saying both of them are when it came from an "insider" at TWC. | |
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wruckman
Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | Bind If you run bind yourself you will not believe how much speed you get. And you don't have to worry about redirection.
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Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Bind said by wruckman :If you run bind yourself you will not believe how much speed you get. And you don't have to worry about redirection. ClarkConnect gateway + transparent Squid proxy + BIND = Rock!
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wruckman
Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | Re: Bind It's the stuff that dreams are made of.
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Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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