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| 1-3 GB a month? I am a light user and we do about that each month, when we are not getting updates.
A bit anemic in today's world.
Edit: I looked at my stats for the last month, 3 GB metered and 12 GB unmetered up and down (metering by time of day and where to). So 15 GB transfer for me for the last 4 weeks. And no music or movies (and no porn despite some people thinking everyone above 100 KB is doing).
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join:2000-09-13 Belen, NM
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| Re: 1-3 GB a month? said by RayW :I am a light user and we do about that each month, when we are not getting updates. A bit anemic in today's world. I don't read it as limiting you to 1GB - 3GB, Qwest is just saying that the "average" user consumes that much.
40,000 mp3's @ 3MB / file = roughly 120GB. So if you start hitting 100GB of data transfer a month, THEN you might be considered "excessive".
So far this month, as of this post, I have transferred a total of 9.37GB (7.66GB down, 1.71GB up), as an example. -- But theres no sense crying over every mistake You just keep on trying till you run out of cake
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join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX | Re: 1-3 GB a month? You do realize they don't see 3GB as a limit, right? More like 150GB. If you are downloading 75 massive game demos each month I don't think the ISP is the problem. | |
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join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX | Re: 1-3 GB a month? Ahh... your deadpan face threw me off . Not used to a straight man in your comedy act  | |
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@QWEST.NET
| said by djrobx :Yeah, most of my MP3s are in the 3.5-4mb range, so it sounds like their limit is about 150GB. I hate when companies try to dumb-down/overstate bandwidth limits by putting it in "big number" terms like that. Just tell us what you mean in GBs, please! Maybe someone should go do 299,999 huge RAW-image mode format "photo downloads" and claim that they should be below their stated "excessive use" threshold. I use RAW in photo as a hobby. I have a two year old. My wife shoots pictures also. Me as in hobby set her camera to RAW. Live with it Qwest. Sharing toddler pictures. Bah humbug. | |
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| RayW, the truth is, the 'average' user is a light user.
When I worked for the ISP, I figured out one day that most people are on the internet for about an hour a day.
It's amazing what the law of averages will do to numbers. Because to get to a "1 hour average" you had to factor in those people who actually Have internet, DSL level, and VERY VERY RARELY use it.
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| Re: 1-3 GB a month? said by Devanchya :RayW, the truth is, the 'average' user is a light user. When I worked for the ISP, I figured out one day that most people are on the internet for about an hour a day. It's amazing what the law of averages will do to numbers. Because to get to a "1 hour average" you had to factor in those people who actually Have internet, DSL level, and VERY VERY RARELY use it. It's amazing. As in the famous old saw, "lies, damn lies, and statistics"? I am very familiar with statistics, I see the results of the massaging every week at status meeting. -- I am not lost, I find myself every time. | |
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| Re: 1-3 GB a month? No but really, 1-3gb a month is a VERY realistic number as the "average" person doesn't really sit online that much, and when they do they just check some sites, email, etc and log off. That doesn't add up to much.
IF YOU HAVE FOUND DSLREPORTS.COM YOU ARE ALREADY AN "ABOVE AVERAGE" USER! | |
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| I'm on Qwest's 1.5mbit DSL (too far away for faster) and with my modest downloading (seriously, my connection isn't doing much a lot of the time), I manage close to that. 95% of what I download is TV shows.
Last month I did 97.3GB down and 85.1GB up (that's 182.4GB combined). That's about average looking at my logs. I haven't heard a word from Qwest.
The limit's gotta be higher than that. -- I have a signature. | I also have a website/blog. | I even have a computer! | |
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join:2003-07-17 Ottumwa, IA | Re: 1-3 GB a month? so far this month i have used allmost 170GB and im now at 970GB for the last 6 months | |
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  David Last man standing Premium,VIP join:2002-05-30 Granite City, IL clubs: | 40,000-80,000 mp3's That's quite a bit up there. I think I might have now just broke 1,000 songs on my hard drive.
I would be considered small potatoes by those limits. | |
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join:2004-12-06 Indianapolis, IN | Windows Updates Hmmmmmmmm
Windows XP service pack 3 will be out soon (supposedly) and we've got 4 (running) computers in the house. So, with XP SP3 probably at least 300 meg., that will be 1.2Gb, so i'll have reached my limit by just updating my computers? | |
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| Re: Windows Updates said by Indymike :Hmmmmmmmm Windows XP service pack 3 will be out soon (supposedly) and we've got 4 (running) computers in the house. So, with XP SP3 probably at least 300 meg., that will be 1.2Gb, so i'll have reached my limit by just updating my computers? Download it once and burn it to DVD. | |
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  batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs: | Net neutrality You want net neutrality you got it. Now pay for it little children; there is no free lunch. | |
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | Re: Net neutrality someone needs a hug. or a friend? | |
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join:2002-06-07 Norman, OK
| What does net neutrality have to do with any of this? How does saying an ISP cannot degrade traffic in some instances factor into bandwidth caps? If I used bittorrent 24/7 (as many people do), and bittorrent is the lowest priority on the network, I would still easily be able to exceed the bandwidth cap.
For example, I have a 10 Megabit cable connection. Let's say bittorrent is degraded so I can't pull more than 50 kilobytes (not kilobits) per second). That is roughly 5% of my downstream capacity, and probably a reasonable number for throttling in a non-net neutral world.
So, 50 Kbytes/s x 60 seconds/min x 60 min/hr x 24 hrs/day x 30 days/month = 129,600,000 kilobytes/mo = 129,600 Megabytes/mo = 129.6 Gigbytes/month. Thus, I would still violate the policy presuming that 100GB per month is the cutoff where the naughty "little children" will have there connection dropped. With the degradation in network performance for certain services that the pushers of ending net-neutrality want, there would still be easy violations of the AUP of the ISP. | |
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join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX | Re: Net neutrality So don't torrent 24/7. Nobody is asking you to have all that data available for download/upload every freakin' minute of the day, every day of the month. They aren't asking you stop using the bandwidth, just be sensible. | |
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@comcast.net | Re: Net neutrality my internet is on 24/7. you must be using another internet apparently, one that has time breaks and limits!!! | |
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| said by batterup :You want net neutrality you got it. Now pay for it little children; there is no free lunch. The estimates in terms of images, mp3s and so on imply that Quest's limit is something like 25-50 GB/month. If they promised and stuck to a neutrality policy, and also disclosed the limits in their advertising (at least in an approximate way), then I and probably most network neutrality advocates would approve.
But they make no such promise (I don't know about their advertising and whether they lead people to expect no limits). ISPs are imposing these traffic amount limits and still refusing to give up the option, and in some case the actual practice, of traffic discrimination in violation of neutrality (i.e. wiretapping the packets and discriminating by content or destination). And their excuse for the latter is traffic amounts.
Well let's have the deal from the ISPs that you imply, Batterup - either neutrality or no traffic limits within the advertised bandwidth, at least one or the other. | |
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| Hmm. In the past, I would consume a little over 40 gb of data on a 1.5 mbit DSL line every month from Bellsouth. Right now, not so much, but I still download around 6-7 gb each month atleast. :P -- I have achieved 3 meg , fastpath sync on a 15,700 ft. 26 ga copper line. =] | |
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join:2001-03-23 Milwaukee, WI | 15+ million unique e-mails each month Sounds like someone has a infected computer that is part of a botnet. | |
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join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX | Re: 15+ million unique e-mails each month Or a spammer with several machines plugged into his/her broadband service (nobody said said spammer was smart). | |
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  r81984 Tough to beat. Premium join:2001-11-14 Morgan City, LA | Unlimited? I did not know you could excessively use UNLIMITED service???? -- »www.ryanoneill.us | |
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| Re: Unlimited? Considering what seems to be defined as the limits I would pretty much say anybody going that far on their bandwidth usage is definitely abusing the "unlimited" offering. You should know by now there is no such thing as absolute unlimited in any market. Try emptying out the all you can eat buffet inventory and see if they let you. Try sending and receiving 5,000,000 text messages and see what Sprint has to say. Unlimited within reason is a good thing. Get scrappy about the companies who say unlimited, but put REAL limits on service. | |
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| Re: Unlimited? Are you the type of person that must have warning labels for every practical risk on a product you purchase? Because advertised offers are never absolutes. Remember the judge who sued the dry cleaning store because he wasn't satisfied and the sign on the door said "Satisfaction Guaranteed"? There is such a thing as using common sense when looking at advertising. You can't expect the world if a company makes a claim that is damn near close to the truth but your expectation are too unrealistic.
No company can offer absolute unlimited on a consumer level (or any level for that matter). Saying unlimited and then putting a low ceiling on limits is one thing (like a buffet that limits 'all you can eat' to no more than 3-4 plates/visits to the food table), but saying unlimited and making it so over 99% of your customers would never see that actual limit is entirely another. | |
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| Re: Unlimited? said by r81984 :Why say unlimited if it is not??? Why wouldn't they say up to 100GB a month? Basically, they're lying for advertising purposes. They want the product or service to sound better then it really is. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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| Re: Unlimited? said by KrK :said by r81984 :Why say unlimited if it is not??? Why wouldn't they say up to 100GB a month? Basically, they're lying for advertising purposes. They want the product or service to sound better then it really is. So then it is ok for them to stretch their limits but if the customers do it they should be penalized??? I agree that people need not download/upload non-stop for 24/7 but there are alot of legit services that can consume some bandwidth, like netflix for instance. I am not sure if their online service is available yet, but how do you think that is gonna affect bandwidth usage? Is everyone honestly supposed to pay $50 or whatever a month just to send emails and read a few websites? Also, like I said before how is it ok for the isp's to take advantage of consumers by advertising one thing and meaning another, but if the consumer takes advantage they should be penalized. Never will understand that. | |
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| said by r81984 :Why say unlimited if it is not??? Why wouldn't they say up to 100GB a month? If my previous post didn't answer that question then you simply just won't get it. | |
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| Yugo said by Qwest : You don't buy a Yugo and then try to drive it like a Porsche.
Sure I do! In fact I would drive the Yugo a lot closer to its limits a much greater amount of the time than I would the Porsche. -- The public is a poor business manager. | |
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| Re: Yugo said by MrMoody : said by Qwest : You don't buy a Yugo and then try to drive it like a Porsche.
Sure I do! In fact I would drive the Yugo a lot closer to its limits a much greater amount of the time than I would the Porsche. Yep, everyone generally abuses their beater car more. Analogy = fail. -- gmod. bf2:prmm. cod4. your face = pwned. | |
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| Caps What gets me about this is the "download too much and we cancel your service" attitude. My ISP has a 60 gig/month cap, but when you go over, they simply charge you for it. Want to download lots and lots of stuff? Pay for it. Problem solved. Granted 60 is a bit low, I would have set it at 100. -- "For in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children's future, and we are all mortal." - John F. Kennedy | |
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join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Caps Why not 300 or 1000 or 5000GB? Problem really solved then, no? | |
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@teksavvy.com | Canada is a complete write-off it shouldn't even be mentioned on these forums. Commycast (Comcast) and communist Canada. I'd take commycast any day. | |
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| Excessive use 3,000 30-minute shows would be 90,000 minutes per month - and there's only 43,000 to 44,000 minutes in a month, 24/7. I expect the other examples would also represent the same kind of overuse.
It would really take some serious effort, and massive storage, to handle that kind of downloading. When would anyone have time to actually view the videos or movies, or listen to the mp3s? (I don't even want to think about replying to 15 million email threads... ) -- "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, it is not certain. As far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." -- Albert Einstein | |
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edit: December 14th, @04:43PM
| 1-3 gb a month you have got to be kidding me! Just sitting idle on the internet with windows update running and all the ICMP related stuff I can pull a gig a month because a lot of windows updates like service packs can be 200+ MB... heck office 2007 sp1 was 250mb alone... and the 8 other updates I got was another 130 MB this month.. (.NET service packs were large)... then add in actual usage (I'd say I use about a gig a day of internet alone! this is in a houe with 4 people using 2 computers)... and that is even before streaming music or video...
and then slightly higher for business customers? We have a dedicated 3Mbit symetric connection at work and we pull half a terrabyte a month! that is with 50 people using it all day basically! and then VoIP on it also!
and heck 80,000 MP3's? that is like 400GB a month assumeing ~4MB per song... | |
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| said by neufuse :Just sitting idle on the internet with windows update running and all the ICMP related stuff I can pull a gig a month because a lot of windows updates like service packs can be 200+ MB... heck office 2007 sp1 was 250mb alone... and the 8 other updates I got was another 130 MB this month.. (.NET service packs were large)... then add in actual usage (I'd say I use about a gig a day of internet alone! this is in a houe with 4 people using 2 computers)... and that is even before streaming music or video... and then slightly higher for business customers? We have a dedicated 3Mbit symetric connection at work and we pull half a terrabyte a month! that is with 50 people using it all day basically! and then VoIP on it also! and heck 80,000 MP3's? that is like 400GB a month assumeing ~4MB per song... Businesses tend to limit use to business. Thus mostly no videos, no mp3 no nothing bandwidth intensive. We type away at keyboards and store data. | |
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join:2004-05-13 San Francisco, CA | Re: hahah TWC here in Vancouver BC telus's 6m down 1m up adsl package is unlimited. no phone calls, no notices, nothing happens when you go over their casual limits. | |
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| With TWC and RR as your ISP they don't send a letter; they just shut you off. The RR AUP and the TOS states that. TWC customers have two AUPs and TOS. one from RR for the actual connection and one from TWC for the operator portion. RR states they can go by theirs at any time they see fit and will do it; and that they reserve the right to throttle P2P and other items such as that. | |
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join:2004-05-13 San Francisco, CA | i'm not sure what you're referring to but i download and upload a total of over 300g per month with no charge nor letters nor phone calls. | |
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join:2003-10-15 Toledo, OH | Re: hahah TWC my reply wasnt to you. If you were replying to me. It was about the post above you regarding Time Warner and RoadRunner. Some how it put it as a reply to you. | |
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join:2001-11-25 Los Angeles, CA | Now you know the origin of my handle.... They really ARE the Qworst! | |
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join:2002-09-01
| The Glengarry Leads I use about 100GB down and about 50GB up per month on average with Qwest and they've never said a word. I've had the service for over a year now and it's never gone down once. Seems that if you just pay the bill on time that's all they care. I'd say the EUP is there as a blanket so if they have people who are maxing out their connection 24/7 they can say "we told you so". | |
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join:2003-10-15 Toledo, OH | Re: The Glengarry Leads more or less if they want you as a customer or not for what ever reason gives them reason to get rid of ya. | |
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join:2006-06-24 Ogden, UT | Re: The Glengarry Leads Well at least Qwest doesn't participate in traffic shaping ::cough COMCAST cough:: | |
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| Re: The Glengarry Leads said by iEvolution :Well at least Qwest doesn't participate in traffic shaping ::cough COMCAST cough:: *cough* ...Yet *cough* -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
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join:2001-12-09 Waterloo, IA
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| I smell a lawsuit. When will these providers learn that UNLIMITED means UNLIMITED? Unless they asterisk it on all their promotional material and television advertising, and on your contract, and specifically state a limit, they are engaging in false advertising and may be liable for breach of contract, amongst others.
If they want to set up a tiered system with hard limits, do it. But don't sell an "Unlimited" package and then start dancing around.
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