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@newskies.net | FCC "The FCC also insists that anything over 200kbps is broadband".
Your kidding right FCC? In my personal opinion if you can't hit at least 1MB your not using broadband. | |
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| "broadband" is being misused by just about everyone broadband is simply multiple signals over the same wire (cable TV/Cable Internet and DSL/voice phone for example). This is opposed to baseband with one discrete signal on the wire (10baseT for example)
If you have cable Internet and it's at 25 kbps, it's still broadband
broadband has nothing to do with speed.
EDIT: I agree with your idea, however. Claiming an entire district is "broadband/high-speed enabled" because of a single install is bogus. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Navarre, FL | Re: "broadband" is being misused by just about everyone Terminology has been allowed to become irrelevant over time. For example "speed" is often used in place of throughput or bandwidth. | |
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| Re: FCC said by esc0 :
"The FCC also insists that anything over 200kbps is broadband".
Your kidding right FCC? In my personal opinion if you can't hit at least 1MB your not using broadband. In my opinion, anything faster than dialup is broadband. -- What's certain about Darwinism is that it would take less time for (1) a single-celled organism to evolve into a human being through mutation and natural selection than for (2) Darwinists to admit they have no proof of (1) - Ann Coulter | |
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| Re: FCC If we don't pressure the FCC for better services we will remain where we are for many more years to come. Many will say we are heading in that direction, look at FIOS.
I say it has taken too long to reach there and some parts of the country still don't have access to even dial-up.
Europe is ahead of us in infrastructure. We need be up there with them. Many folks in the US don't realize this and think we have the best services over here.
C'mon FCC. Wake up. All I see is the prices going up and services and options are the same. | |
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  rudnicke Premium join:2004-10-23 Rantoul, IL clubs: | Idiot Martin is a moron. Plain and simple. | |
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| Re: Idiot Martin is doing what the industry wants: everything he can so they do not have to make more in the way of capital investments in infrastructure, which is also what Wall Street wants.
On one hand, the industry as a whole cries "Don't make broadband a utility and things will improve at a far faster rate".
On the other hand, things don't improve at a far faster rate, but the industry keeps pushing for more deregulation and considerations from the FCC. They generally get what they want, too.
Martin also keeps BPL because the eletricity carriers want another revenue stream, technical problems be damned.
I predict that when it all shakes out, Kevin Martin will be considered something of a disaster for telecommunications and cable. They are gonna have to play catch-up at some point, and when they do, it will cost just that much more and leave more marks. | |
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| Re: Idiot said by TScheisskopf :Martin is doing what the industry wants: everything he can so they do not have to make more in the way of capital investments in infrastructure, which is also what Wall Street wants. Your statement might make SOME sense except for the fact that the telcos and cable companies are investing billions of dollars in infrastructure improvements every year. Don't you read the qtrly company reports posted here at BBR that show how much they are spending every quarter on infrastructure? -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page
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| Re: Idiot Your statement would make more sense if most of these providers weren't decades behind in improving said infrastructure already. Verizon is the only large provider I recall that has actually opened up the ol'wallet for some forward looking technology. And they have taken a hell of a beating from shareholders for doing it. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Navarre, FL | Re: Idiot How are they "decades behind"? Or are you speaking of minimal ISDN rollouts over the last couple of decades? Presumably, you meant 5, maybe 10 if you really want to stretch, years behind. | |
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| Billions and Billions? I think not. What they ARE doing, is paying the fat cat salaries out of 'infrastructure'. Any paying for their corporate jets, and yachts as 'infrastructure'. Actually running wires? Purchasing and installing new equipment? MAYBE 5% of their so called 'infrastrucure' budget. They ALWAYS put their perks in CAPITAL COSTS, so they can write them off.
-- Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 100mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Navarre, FL | Re: Idiot I always find your posts humorous. Can you point to anything, anywhere, that shows such "infrastructure" expenditures? | |
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| said by rudnicke :Martin is a moron. Plain and simple. Of all the people that Bush appointed,... why ini the world hasn't THIS one quit like the others???  -- "Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-serving, the lazy, and Im told its a womans prerogative..." | |
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| Re: Idiot probably cause he can't go any higher...
Also lets face the facts,
The people in charge think that a 1970's model of measuring broadband is "adequate"
Do we really have to say anything else?
Each provider has the ACTUAL list, this should be a non issue, except its a political hot potato.
I think this is best evidence that this job should not be a political appointment | |
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| Re: Idiot said by backness :Each provider has the ACTUAL list, this should be a non issue, except its a political hot potato. Maybe the real issue is why does it really matter if we know every single street address that has access. | |
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join:2005-07-08 K2P OW2 | Re: Idiot as opposed to knowing that one in a particular zip code has a connection?
I take it you were born before 1960? | |
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| Re: Idiot said by backness :.. I take it you [openbox9] were born before 1960? not necessarily; openbox9 simply appears to be an apologist/defender of the status quo. maybe he owns lots of telco stock. | |
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| Re: Idiot said by nasadude :not necessarily; openbox9 simply appears to be an apologist/defender of the status quo. maybe he owns lots of telco stock. Typical response. I've already said this before, but I'll repeat...I am not an employee, I receive no compensation, nor do I directly own any telecom stock or stock options. I'm simply a guy who's tired of seeing continued waste of my tax dollars and I'm definitely a guy who doesn't want to see increased waste of my tax dollars. | |
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| Re: Idiot said by openbox9 :said by nasadude :not necessarily; openbox9 simply appears to be an apologist/defender of the status quo. maybe he owns lots of telco stock. Typical response. I've already said this before, but I'll repeat...I am not an employee, I receive no compensation, nor do I directly own any telecom stock or stock options. I'm simply a guy who's tired of seeing continued waste of my tax dollars and I'm definitely a guy who doesn't want to see increased waste of my tax dollars. So then you don't actually have a vested financial interest in keeping the abysmal state of broadband at the status quo. You'd like to keep that way just because it appeals to you.  | |
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| Re: Idiot Don't put words in my mouth. First, I don't see this "abysmal state of broadband" that so many around here whine about. Second, I say bring on the broadband for customers who are willing to pay for the service (and I don't believe any service provider will deny service to those willing to pay for it). The problem is, that a lot of customers aren't willing to pay for these connections, they want everyone else to pay for them. | |
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| Re: Idiot said by openbox9 :. The problem is, that a lot of customers aren't willing to pay for these connections, they want everyone else to pay for them. Who are these customers who allegedly "want everyone else to pay for them?" | |
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| Re: Idiot Those who aren't willing to pay hundreds/thousands of dollars for their precious connections. Those who want government regulation (tax dollars) to bring them service. Those who want a corporation, no matter what the cost or impact, to extend service to every person in this country. | |
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| said by backness :as opposed to knowing that one in a particular zip code has a connection? I take it you were born before 1960? As opposed to knowing even the zip code level. Seems like a waste of money to me. And, not that it really matters, but I was born in 1973. | |
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| I have never sent money to any political campaign but if Martin ever runs for office, I will make a point to send a contribution to whoever is running against him. Can you just imagine this idiot as a senator or house rep.? -- »www.seabee.navy.mil | |
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| Re: Idiot said by JSRoman :I have never sent money to any political campaign but if Martin ever runs for office, I will make a point to send a contribution to whoever is running against him. Can you just imagine this idiot as a senator or house rep.? He will not run for office. He will just shop his resume around to all the Telcos who he is owed by for his actions with the FCC and accept the best Job Offer (Deferred Bribe) he gets. | |
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| said by JSRoman :I have never sent money to any political campaign but if Martin ever runs for office, I will make a point to send a contribution to whoever is running against him. Can you just imagine this idiot as a senator or house rep.? Except for the part about sending money -which I would never do even under threat of torture- Martin couldn't possibly be any more of bigger whore than the existing "leaders" in office already are. Name one -just one- that isn't spread & ready whenever his or her respective corporate master(s) john snaps his fingers? | |
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| Re: Wow said by exocet_cm :Their analysis is completely incorrect. I can give a bucket load of ZIP codes here in Louisiana that probably don't even know what broadband is. Hell, I can do the same for NJ, the most densely populated state in the nation. Then, we can move to the subject of the condition of a lot of miles of copper. Too much of that stuff, in these parts, is marginal at best. | |
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| Bells will fight this classification to the death "Anything between 200 kilobits and 768 kilobits per second will be considered first-generation broadband. From 768 kilobits to 1.5 megabits is to be considered basic broadband. In between 1.5 megabits and 3 megabits a second will be classified as high-speed service, between 3 megabits and 6 megabits called robust service and anything over 6 megabits a second called premium."
That would classify a good bulk of Bell DSL subs as 1st generation. No way they would let the FCC throw that label on them. -- »www.seabee.navy.mil | |
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join:2004-01-26 Navarre, FL | Re: Bells will fight this classification to the death All the more reason why trying to define "broadband" is irrelevant. If these new definitions come about, what productiveness will come from them? | |
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| Re: Bells will fight this classification to the death said by openbox9 :All the more reason why trying to define "broadband" is irrelevant. If these new definitions come about, what productiveness will come from them? it's not irrelevant in the context of determining what services are actually currently available. in 2007, broadband should be at least a couple of megs down and 1Mbps or more up. anything less is "last century" - is that what you wish for your country, last century broadband? | |
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join:2004-01-26 Navarre, FL | Re: Bells will fight this classification to the death Every customer already knows what's currently available to them. I don't care what 'Bob Smith' has for internet access across the country, why should the government? | |
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| Four or more? "It also tells us that more than 80% of U.S. zip codes have access to four or more providers."
Why do I seriously doubt that? I've heard too many reports of users who have a choice of the cable company or the phone company (and sometimes not even that many choices). Who are these other two choices? Satellite? Perhaps, but it's an option that few take. (More of a last resort for broadband than a first choice.) I know I have two options (Time Warner or Verizon) where I live and I'm in the middle of a decent sized city. Where are my #3 and #4 choices? | |
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| What's in it for them? They make as much money now as they can after upgrading infrastructure.
If they bring the rural area's into the present communication age, it would be harder to control them.
It's best to leave them in the dark ages, for maximun controllability till the 3rd world passes whats left of the US up in innovation. | |
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| Four or more? Quote: "As usual, the FCC data suggests that things are rosy when it comes to broadband penetration. The chart to the left tells us that broadband is available in more than 99% of American zip codes. It also tells us that more than 80% of U.S. zip codes have access to four or more providers. " End quote
Here is where the "one address in a zip code" formula breaks down. According to the FCC, there are multiple DSL provider to your zip code, but you happen to live too far from the CO to get any of them. Your ONLY choice is cable. Doesn't matter. You have choices according to the FCC's numbers. -- These opinions are strictly my own. However, if you really want them, we can negotiate. | |
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| Why I do not see the necessity government involvement in this issue.gathering broadband data is up there with earmarks to study bear DNA.
This is just a back door for someone to justify an broadband entitlement or regulation in the free market. | |
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| Re: Why said by Richard B :I do not see the necessity government involvement in this issue.gathering broadband data is up there with earmarks to study bear DNA. This is just a back door for someone to justify an broadband entitlement or regulation in the free market. They already got thier back door entitlement, its called FUSF. -- Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts, Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit, With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish. Solon | |
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join:2001-09-10 Fredericksburg, VA | Some people just think broadband companies should be forced to wire an outhouse. | |
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| said by Richard B :I do not see the necessity government involvement in this issue. Well, you think broadband is a frivolous luxury, good only for generating revenue for providers, and trivial entertainment for customers. With that POV, it would be as important for the government to perform an invetory on broadband as it would be, say, to do an inventory on the number of Starbucks in an area.
But about the only one who agrees with you are telco lobbyists, seeking to avoid any requirement to serve the public (perhaps you are one). Most everyone agrees that today, broadband is vital to economic development and education. Government interest in this is as relevent as its interest in a reliable power grid, functioning financial markets, and good roads. | |
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| Opening line Have to like that opening line to the article!!
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| Typical government number fudging "As usual, the FCC data suggests that things are rosy when it comes to broadband penetration. The chart to the left tells us that broadband is available in more than 99% of American zip codes."
Well yes in my zip code I do in fact have 2 broadband chocies. My friend that lives in the SAME zip code has ZERO. I'm not considering satelite a REAL broadband choice. Surely they can come up with a better way to determine this. Since they will be staring on the 2010 census soon would it really be that much more of a burden to include broadband availability in the data? | |
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| Re: Definition of broadband. I like the following definition of broadband. I think the majority of people would be satisfied with "first-generation broadband."
"Anything between 200 kilobits and 768 kilobits per second will be considered first-generation broadband. From 768 kilobits to 1.5 megabits is to be considered basic broadband. In between 1.5 megabits and 3 megabits a second will be classified as high-speed service, between 3 megabits and 6 megabits called robust service and anything over 6 megabits a second called premium." | |
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| Catchy Title ... Well, interesting stats n all.
Live in a decent sized tourist city, and I only have Wind-stream (aka. I really do not plan on seeing FIOS in my life time) and NewWave, and this is it.. 
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