  cogeco or rogers
@tel-ott.com
from: whfsdude 
| cogeco or rogers what's the difference?
Canada is a bad place for internet. | |
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 |  axus
join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Cox HSI
| Re: cogeco or rogers It's kind of a warning for those who are currently happy with their providers. Canada was for a time more advanced than the US for broadband availability and service. But things change, and if there isn't competition you will be screwed. Congrats to the people who jumped ship  | |
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  Airwolf Don't stop. Premium join:2001-10-30 Windsor, ON clubs:
·Cogeco Cable
| Just my thoughts on this. I just want to add that Cogeco was forgiving in terms of usage before they started enforcing the cap more seriously. I think 8 years of a "soft" cap.
While I don't download a lot, I do enjoy the speed of the Standard package when I need it. Lite isn't an option for me as on average do about 16GB a month download and 1.5GB upload. The connection is shared between two computers as well.
If they're enforcing this now because of network problems, I can understand that. I don't believe this was just a "out of the blue" decision.
While it sucks that there is a hard cap, but at least they're not charging if you go over. | |
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 |  bricktoppp
join:2006-10-05 | Re: Just my thoughts on this. Maybe they should stop giving everybody 10mbps if they have network problems. How often does anybody download at a megabyte a second? That's useless now too, because you can only do 60gb a month. Cogeco = ghetto ISP. | |
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 |  |   NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX
| Re: Just my thoughts on this. You can up the speed all you want and generally network usage does not increase. Many times it can make things better since large requests do not sit there going forever allowing multiple customer flows to stack up and then clogging the circuits up. I've seen this many times with websites as we upgrade bandwidth to them and on the ISP side as well.
On the flip side, as people get more bandwidth they discover new things such as usable online video and such. So eventually you have to keep ahead of the curve, but in many cases ISP's built their systems with a few hundred k of usage per a small average of customers in mind. A lot of DOSCIS 2 stuff was engineered that way and it's very difficult to spread those customers over new head ends and such.
Even something like FIOS could someday have that problem if the collection point for all the traffic does not have enough bandwidth to handle peak times.
Unfortunately network planners and the pursekeepers never see eye to eye about things. | |
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 dan991199
join:2007-10-01 St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Speed not matching the service.... I love(d) coegco for the speed that it provides its customers but with the enforcement of now a hard bitcap the speed really doesn't reflect what a user can do anymore.
a standard user can break his or her monthly bitcap in less than a 24 hour period. Granted this would be an exceptional case but seriously folks, why offer the speed if you are going to put such constraints on what the customer does with it?
last month i received a warning from cogeco on Sept. 28, so i was ok for the monthly rollover. but i was also on vacation for 7 days of that month. I as well as a lot of other users on this forum think that this month is going to be really telling as it will be the first full month of the bitcap being enforced (cogeco began enforcing the bitcap on September 17th).
so we'll see i suppose. Also anyone effected by this should use the customer service option at cogeco's website to let them know how you feel. or write in to:
Cogeco Cable ATTN: Office Of The President PO BOX 5076 STN Main Burlington, Ontario L7R 4S6 | |
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 |   telcolackey The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06 Death Valley, CA
| Re: Speed not matching the service.... said by dan991199 :[..], why offer the speed if you are going to put such constraints on what the customer does with it? This is a great question which prompts me to answer with another question 
The cost of building and supporting any network is based on max capacity used at the peak hour / busy day. As you raise speeds and if user behavior does not change, the impact is not substantial. However if a very small portion of your users "re-sell", share or allow third parties to use this bandwidth 7x24 maxing out this speed, there is a significant cost increase in the usage.
The difference is usage vs. speed.
That said, if you had to choose, and from a business perspective (not greed) could only choose 1, what would it be:
•Unlimited usage at low speed •Fast speed without sharing bandwidth and within the same usage as 98% of average users •Fast speed and pay for the extra bandwidth as a 2% "power user" or user allowing file sharing for the Internet | |
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 |  BoxerJoe
join:2007-08-14 Hamilton, ON | Re: Ohh Canadaaaa Yes there are, others even Sympatico will give you the option now under there new plans of buying unlimited bandwidth option for an extra $30. TekSavvy also has unlimited DSL option as well, not sure how much. | |
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join:2001-03-05 H2Z edit: October 4th, @05:52PM
| Re: Ohh Canadaaaa $30 per month for 5 Mbps unlimited DSL plus tax. No caps, no contracts, no installation or hidden fees.
Worth every penny. | |
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| Re: Ohh Canadaaaa said by milnoc :$30 per month for 5 Mbps unlimited DSL plus tax. No caps, no contracts, no installation or hidden fees. Worth every penny. Assuming your line qualifies for that speed. -- You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth | |
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 |   Quake110
join:2003-12-20 Ottawa, ON
·Velcom
| Oh yes. IF can get DSL in Ontario or Québec... you can surely get Teksavvy or Velcom who both offer unlimited internet Access. And when Bell Canada (controls the PTSN lines) upgrade the infrastructure to ADSL2+, it's going to be much better even. | |
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  Frozty2k
join:2002-04-21 Oakville, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Time to find another provider! They did have some issues with e-mails not going out. The fact is, even if you do get the e-mails and you check your cogeco account often it was still shitty of them to not tell us they were enforcing the cap hard, you get an email as you are about to go over or after you go over then are screwed the rest of the month anyways.
If you are cut off the choice is upgrade to a more expensive package now, or don't download anything for the rest of the month (as much as two weeks for some).
The other fact is you can upgrade to a higher account, but for most people you have to go to a business/corporate account! You end up paying way more for priority tech support, you have to switch e-mail address etc etc. They have no public account with higher bit caps, just more speed and services and much more money. | |
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  WallyThacker The Central Scrutinizer
join:2002-02-12 Canada | Here we go again Caps, no caps. Can't providers make up their minds?
Haven't we been through all this nonsense before? | |
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 |   Lowtarget Premium join:2003-12-22 Alger, OH clubs: | Re: Here we go again Those bandwidth caps are not too bad. But those caps would not work well for me. Since I play alot of online beta games all the time. | |
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 BoxerJoe
join:2007-08-14 Hamilton, ON edit: October 4th, @04:16PM
| Crazy! They should offer the option of an overage fee that caps at $30 and offer the customer the option to buy unlimited for like an extra $25 like Bell does. | |
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 |   bullwinkle123
@cgocable.net | Re: Crazy! I second that idea !! Let's get this implemented pronto !! | |
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 |  |   Snickerdo Premium join:2001-02-28 Niagara Falls, ON | Re: Crazy! said by bullwinkle123 :
I second that idea !! Let's get this implemented pronto !! We have been BEGGING for such an option. | |
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 Done_Posting Shoot to kill Premium join:2003-08-22 Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Bits vs Bytes
Did anyone else notice that the chart lists the figures in bits and even goes so far as to use the terminology "download bit cap" and "upload bit cap", or am I the only one? It's probably just another case of marketing people not knowing simple networking terms but are you Cogeco folks sure you're not getting capped at a little over 1 GB for Lite, 8 GB for Standard, and around 12 GB for Pro?
I don't know why this always gets to me but for some reason I can't stand reading this kind of mistake all the time...
- Tate
-- Happiness is an OC-48 in your basement... | |
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 |  ancodia
join:2006-07-10
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Cogeco Cable
edit: October 4th, @05:11PM
| Re: Bits vs Bytes Also, not mentioned in the article is that Cogeco has also included overcharges in their AUP. While they are NOT currently collecting the charges one wonders why they would include the clause. All users have, in effect, agreed to pay these fees, Cogeco just isn't collecting them .. yet ... at a rate of $10 per gig over your bitcap. Cogeco currently allows you to over your cap by anywhere from 20-30%, so you could be in for a big suprise in the near future! There is no cap on the overcharge other than whatever % they allow you to go over your package allotment. Some users report getting to 90 gig before being locked out, that equals $300 in potential overcharges!
Quoted from their AUP :
COGECO monitors the amount of traffic to and from all modems to identify usage above the bandwidth limitations. If the Customer exceeds this limit, the Customer may be charged up to an additional $1.00 per 100 Megabytes for both upstream and/or downstream traffic.
Other users also speculate that Cogeco's enforcement of these low hard-caps is in order to stifle high gig downloaders (which are being assumed to be downloaded movie/tv content) and encourage them to buy more lucrative tv/ppv packages at Cogeco. This theory also explains why the other major providers (Bell, Rogers) also enforce low bitcaps - to protect their tv/ppv services, while traditional ISPs (such as Teksavvy) can provide the same level of service at competitve prices with unlimited bandwidth. Perhaps Bell/Cogeco/Rogers are not doing the public good by being able to provide multiple services. | |
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join:2006-10-05 | Re: Bits vs Bytes thieves | |
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 bricktoppp
join:2006-10-05 | lol Time limits: unlimited? This feature makes Cogeco's cable internet superior to 1996 dial-up. | |
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 CogecoAnon
join:2007-10-04
·Cogeco Cable
| Previously satisfied Cogeco customer I have had Cogeco internet for about a decade by now, and this is the first time I can say I am truly unhappy enough to look into other providers. I am on the pro package, but routinely downloaded greater than 100 gigabytes per month.
Even when they started traffic shaping to stop p2p I was okay with it because I felt the trade-off between very forgiving soft caps and not being able to use certain protocols was acceptable.
Now that they have started enforcing a hard bitcap their service cannot provide what I need. They don't even offer a service that suits my needs, unless I want to pay huge sums of money for a business connection which comes with all sorts of frills I do not need nor want.
I am now forced to switch to a slower but unlimited DSL, which will take some getting used to but at least I won't have to be paranoid about actually using my connection for whatever I want. | |
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 CogecoAnon
join:2007-10-04
·Cogeco Cable
| Anti-Competetive Business Tactics I forgot to mention in my last comment that I feel this is not the result of trying to reduce operating costs or network congestion.
Recently digital distribution services for television and movies have begun to spring up across the internet. Enforcing a hard bitcap and not offering a residential service that allows for lots of downloading effectively locks Cogeco's customers into their own in-house television and video-on-demand services. The cap on even the pro package is barely enough to support gaming services like Steam for gamers who would rather not go to a brick-and-mortar retailer.
Cogeco does not want to have to compete with digital distribution services so they have effectively locked Cogeco subscribers out of that market without blatantly blocking their competitors. This is a dishonest and monopolistic tactic that I feel is really despicable. I will be looking into online television providers and/or satellite as well as switching to a better ISP so that Cogeco no longer receives any of my money. | |
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 InFloW
join:2002-08-10 Fergus, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| No Issues here Well I run on Pro and I honestly have a hard time going over 100GB a month. Last month did about 102GB (a lot higher than usual) and this month on pace for only 50GB. This includes using newsgroups, bit torrent, downloading things on steam and playing games. This is also with 3 computers connected to the network with the machines on 24/7.
I'm not really worried about this or if I go over because in my area anyways they've rebuilt it and haven't had problems in over a year. So until there are issues in the area I doubt I'd hear anything even if I did 150GB.
But you know what I knew this was coming and expect it from other ISP's as well. With the introduction of bit torrent and everyone seemingly using it it was only a matter of time. Using a residential connection to download 1TB every month it becomes a problem. If we want to continue to get unlimited downloads and still get the 10+mbit speeds expect to pay the $500/month fee's it actually costs.
But I've been living in this world for some time my 100mbit servers with *GASP* 2000GB of download/upload a month. Maybe I should complain to the provider on how they give 100mbit port but only allow 2000GB which isn't even 10mbit sustained! I see ISP's as pretty much the same deal here they just are having some serious issues with users coming to the reality that things have changed. -- »www.hawkhost.com/ »www.esportsea.com/ | |
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 |  dan991199
join:2007-10-01 St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: No Issues here I'm not really worried about this or if I go over because in my area anyways they've rebuilt it and haven't had problems in over a year. So until there are issues in the area I doubt I'd hear anything even if I did 150GB. this is no longer the way it works, the bit cap is automated you will get a warning like everyone else when you go over. it has nothing to do with your area anymore. | |
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 |  aardvvark
join:2007-10-04
·Cogeco Cable
edit: October 4th, @08:47PM
| said by InFloW :But you know what I knew this was coming and expect it from other ISP's as well. With the introduction of bit torrent and everyone seemingly using it it was only a matter of time. Bittorrent is throttled on Cogeco. Futhermore, they offer a very nice usenet server that one can use to easily go over the cap very quickly.
edit: Since you knew this was coming, when do you expect Cogeco to start enforcing the $10/GB overage charge in the AUP? | |
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join:2002-08-10 Fergus, ON
·Cogeco Cable
| Re: No Issues here I knew it was coming since people were maxing out their connections 24/7 causing all sorts of congestions in area's. They upgrade the area and in a few months it's once again completely maxed out.
So for the people maxing their connection 24/7 maybe they should be billed on 95% like how bandwidth is billed anywhere but residential isp's.
So I'll be nice and say $60/mbit so standard is $600/month. Then bill pro at $55/mbit and you see $880/month. At those prices I could see it being possible to max out your port 24/7 and use up several terrabytes.
Oh and about it being automated well I apparently went over in September and heard nothing so I'm skeptical about it not being at all related to area. | |
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join:2007-10-04
·Cogeco Cable
edit: October 5th, @09:54AM
| Re: No Issues here What about those that definitely do NOT "max out their connections" (honestly, who does that and how? get off the black and white thinking), yet enjoy keeping up with the latest digital distribution offerings on the web (see giant thread in cogeco forum for details)? How much should we be charged, and when do you think Cogeco will being enforcing the $10/GB overage fee?
>>Oh and about it being automated well I apparently went over in September and heard nothing so I'm skeptical about it not being at all related to area.
How much did you go over by? Post your stats. | |
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  wtf
@cogeco.com
| This is not news Was this written by a frustrated 15 year old?
From all the time I've been using Cogeco, the AUP and their website have said that it was a count of the combined usage. Whenever I called tech support to ask about it, they would tell me it is combined usage. I knew something was odd when I did clearly go over my limit a couple of times, but I wasn't complaining.
So now they are actually enforcing it. So what? Their website, terms of use, usage limits and tiers have not changed. This article is not news. | |
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 |  aardvvark
join:2007-10-04
·Cogeco Cable
| This is news Read the thread. For years, Cogeco reps have stated on the forums that the caps were soft and gave advice on how to comfortably deal with it. Suddenly enforcing hard caps in the middle of the month without notice was a very low blow. A rule that is not enforced and actively stated as such by company reps is no rule at all. Am now anxiously awaiting for word on the $10/GB overage fees being enforced as well.
Nice try, though. | |
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 |   my name is
@tel-ott.com | Re: This is not news wtf...
and i work for slowgeco | |
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  koitsu Premium join:2002-07-16 Mountain View, CA
| Sym. vs. asym. I find it very ironic how cable operations ensure that the connection is asymmetrical (different up/down bandwidth), but then set your caps at a symmetrical rate.
Absolutely amazing... -- Making life hard for others since 1977. I speak for myself and not my employer/affiliates of my employer. | |
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 |   Airwolf Don't stop. Premium join:2001-10-30 Windsor, ON clubs: | Re: Sym. vs. asym. It's a combined cap, not separate for download and upload. | |
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 Gonzo_Muppet
join:2006-12-08
edit: October 5th, @10:53AM
| this is news??? yeah Right! Suddenly enforcing hard caps in the middle of the month without notice was a very low blow. A low blow... Woow. you knew it was one of their policies. you knew it existed and now you not happy with it.. Is it me or are you complaining just to complain about something??
A rule that is not enforced and actively stated as such by company reps is no rule at all. Nope we call that change... And if the rule is there it is active.. Companies don't let rules there just for the fun. If its not something useful they will remove it.. and for the cap I am with cogeco for years now and there was always a cap... and it was a combined cap.
Only at the very beginning I don't remember that there was any cap, when we used the zenith modems (old school might remember them) after that there was a cap. And you know what don't complain about cogeco enforcing the cap videotron you pay for every gig you exceed your limit. Bell.. hummm yep you pay too. Telus let me think.. yep you pay.(yes I have been with them too) So cogeco is the bad guy here.. for letting YOU have more or less 8 years of free time without enforcing the cap limit THAT WAS ALWAYS THERE!
Think about that in your sunday school and come shouting back if you want. | |
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 |  dan991199
join:2007-10-01 St Catharines, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: this is news??? yeah Right! suddenly enforcing a rule that hasn't been enforced without prior notice IS bad business.. so is cutting people off with out notice.
and to say we are lucky that cogeco doesn't charge for overages shows me you haven't read this, or the thread in the main forum. Most users want a similar overcharge comparable to what bell offers ($30max). | |
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 |  aardvvark
join:2007-10-04
·Cogeco Cable
edit: October 5th, @12:00PM
| Hello Gonzo the Great Corporate Apologist,
I'll simply repeat what I stated before in full:
For years, Cogeco reps have stated on the forums that the caps were soft and gave advice on how to comfortably deal with it. Suddenly enforcing hard caps in the middle of the month without notice was a very low blow.
You got all that? Cool. This isn't merely about a change in policy. It's about a sudden change in policy without notice that resulted in users being disconnected (there are options for Cogeco besides disconnections. Way to wipe out people's 3rd party VOIP. But I guess if they need 911, fuck em, those damn leeches) without warning.
P.S. TekSavvy FTW, btw.
P.P.S. If you're totally OK with corporations racking users over the coals and not giving a shit, that's A-OK by me. It's your money. Mine on the other hand will no longer be going to Cogeco by the end of the month. | |
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 |  |   IHM Premium,VIP join:2001-12-18 Hamilton, ON
| Re: this is news??? Old news... said by aardvvark :For years, Cogeco reps have stated on the forums that the caps were soft and gave advice on how to comfortably deal with it. That advice has consistently been to stay under the published caps if you do not want your service interrupted. Maybe you're confusing advice from other users.
i.e. »Re: Any penalties for going over BW limit w/HS Standard »Re: cogeco modem question »Re: "2nd Bandwidth Warning"? - 1st was over a month ago »Re: Solution for Bittorrent Throttling.
said by aardvvark : Suddenly enforcing hard caps in the middle of the month I'd like to point out that a "hard" cap would mean your connection stops working when you hit the advertised limit. This is not the case as Cogeco's cap still gives you some wiggle room. Even after you get cut off for 24 hours Cogeco will still give you bandwidth to use for the rest of the month. -- 2 Large Bunnies...1 Dead Penguin | |
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 short
join:2006-07-21 | ........... i go thru 100gb in 2 weeks easily | |
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 |   Airwolf Don't stop. Premium join:2001-10-30 Windsor, ON clubs:
·Cogeco Cable
edit: October 7th, @05:52PM
| Re: ........... said by short :i go thru 100gb in 2 weeks easily What are you downloading and/or uploading? | |
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