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(old news - 05:12PM Wednesday Aug 29 2007)
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Representative Howard L. Berman (D-Los Angeles) is pushing for a new law that will require ISPs to send a warning letter to their users should they access pirated content. The legislation could be introduced as early as next month, and would effectively make ISPs responsible for policing piracy on their networks, says Variety:
"Berman, speaking at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, indicated that under the legislation there would be a phase-in period for ISPs to notify subscribers. "Initially, it would be a voluntary program," he added. . .[Berman] said the legislation will be part of a broader bill to strengthen anticounterfeiting efforts.

AT&T says they'll soon be filtering pirated content voluntarily. Berman's announcement comes just weeks after NBC issued a statement to the FCC demanding that broadband ISPs be held responsible for network piracy, in part because the piracy hurt farmer/theatre popcorn revenue.

Most ISPs have been forwarding entertainment industry DMCA violation warning letters on to customers for years. Berman's bill would require ISPs create elaborate technical mechanisms to identify and track piracy on their networks. Berman's district not-too-surprisingly covers Hollywood.

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Rob
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edit:
August 29th, @05:18PM

Check his records!

I bet this guy has been given some "play money" by the **AA!

Jeffrey
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Re: Check his records!

said by Rob See Profile :

I bet this guy has been given some "play money" by some the **AA!
You know it. I don't know too much about this guy, but what I do know, I don't particularly like.
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swhx7
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Re: Check his records!

Howard Berman (D-MPAA/RIAA) represents the district that contains the headquarters of the U.S. movie/TV and recorded-music industries. They're his constituents and he is loyal to them.

Grimy
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Before he was in public office this guy was my attorney. He's a total dick.
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MrMoody
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There's only one way the US government for the corporations by the corporations is going to stop:

Register to vote. Actually show up on election day and VOTE. And vote against EVERY INCUMBENT until they stop trying to pull crap like this. Rep. Smug's gravy train gets cut off when he's out of office.

Jason Levine
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Here's his top 20 contributers:

said by »www.opensecrets.org/politicians/···00008094 :

1 Time Warner $120,750
2 Walt Disney Co $99,350
3 Vivendi $74,591
4 American Assn for Justice $72,000
5 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $63,500
6 National Assn of Realtors $63,000
6 Viacom Inc $63,000
8 National Education Assn $55,000
9 News Corp $52,250
10 National Cable & Telecommunications Assn $48,800
11 Sony Corp of America $48,750
12 United Auto Workers $47,000
13 Carpenters & Joiners Union $44,500
14 Service Employees International Union $41,500
15 AT&T Inc $41,400
16 Operating Engineers Union $40,100
16 William Morris Agency $40,100
18 Gang, Tyre et al $40,000
19 American Federation of Teachers $39,900
20 Laborers Union $38,650
It looks like 5 of his top 10 contributers are in the TV/Movie/Music industries.

Sure enough, when you segment it by industry:

said by »www.opensecrets.org/politicians/···00008094 :

1 TV/Movies/Music $1,088,246
2 Lawyers/Law Firms $749,177
3 Real Estate $283,310
4 Public Sector Unions $214,900
5 Pro-Israel $209,670
6 Building Trade Unions $174,950
7 Misc Unions $148,050
8 Retired $130,150
9 Securities & Investment $115,000
10 Health Professionals $106,648
11 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $104,900
12 Business Services $103,600
13 Lobbyists $95,450
14 Transportation Unions $85,550
15 Human Rights $83,626
16 Insurance $79,290
17 Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $73,947
18 Beer, Wine & Liquor $70,500
19 Misc Finance $68,000
20 Industrial Unions $67,000
TV/Movies/Music interests give him far more money than anyone else.

jjoshua
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Great... Another politician is talking technology

The politicians fixed the spam problem and now they're going to fix the piracy problem.

Welcome to China.

FiL
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Re: Great... Another politician is talking technology

Welcome to New China...Were already there, with the China-esque citizen spying programs, ISP throttling and the such...

swhx7
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Practically everything that anyone ever accesses on the internet is copyrighted - just about every string of text more than a few words, every image, script, and file of any kind. There's no way any automatic process can distinguish legitimate transfers from "piracy".

GlobalMind
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Re: Great... Another politician is talking technology

said by swhx7 See Profile :

Practically everything that anyone ever accesses on the internet is copyrighted - just about every string of text more than a few words, every image, script, and file of any kind. There's no way any automatic process can distinguish legitimate transfers from "piracy".
Exactly. This is another one of those "suck up to the *AA" bills that stick the ISPs or whomever else with the burden of actually implementing it.

I would love to know how they're going to determine what is pirated content and what isn't. Going by the *AA rhetoric, all of You Tube would be pirated content, except for those labels who have struck a deal with You Tube...oh and yea that's another thing the ISPs will be responsible for monitoring.

Quite pathetic Berman. Lame effort.

good_luck

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good way to get subscribers

good luck with that policy.

jgkolt
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blah

are they that out of touch with technology
barn25

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Springfield, IL

wow

The network buildout requirements for this will be insane just to even be able to analyze all the data!

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August 29th, @07:18PM

Re: wow

said by barn25 See Profile :

The network buildout requirements for this will be insane just to even be able to analyze all the data!

Therefore, either a lot of false accusations, or selective targeting of certain sites or files.

The traditional "common carrier" status has been a bargain: no filtering, and no liability for what the users do (same as with telephones, railroads etc.). If filtering is allowed, will the ISPs become liable for failure to catch the infringers?

Edit: Oh, and who's going to pay for all this intensive processing of every packet on the network, to detect contraband? Every customer, of course. It would drive internet prices way up, and slow the traffic. Call it the "Hollywood tax". The US is already falling behind other advanced countries in internet speed and choices.
NormanS
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Re: wow

said by swhx7 See Profile :

The US is already falling behind other advanced countries in internet speed and choices.
That is just a red herring...
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furlonium
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How would they know?

Would they flag certain things? Maybe record your search strings and certain keywords would be flagged?

How would this work for p2p? Newsgroups?

Oh boy...

BabyBear
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Re: How would they know?

Well using a shotgun to take out a fly comes to mind.

Hope the ISP's got their cleats on, if they are going to hang out on that slippery slope. Next they could be filtering for everything else under the sun.

hopeflicker
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Re: How would they know?

Im willing to bet this clown has pirated content on his home system somewhere.
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Toguro

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Re: How would they know?

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

Im willing to bet this clown has pirated content on his home system somewhere.
Yeah maybe some Gay Porn (you were thinking it )

hopeflicker
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Re: How would they know?

said by Toguro See Profile :

said by hopeflicker See Profile :

Im willing to bet this clown has pirated content on his home system somewhere.
Yeah maybe some Gay Porn (you were thinking it )
you were the one that brought it up (gay porn)
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firewire9999

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"shotgun to take out a fly comes to mind"

LOL - brings to mind the Monty Python's skit on big game hunting with bugs. Thats the one where the use airplanes, bombs, missiles and machine guns to hunt them down.
Kearnstd
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all that will happen is people will encrypt p2p traffic and make the clients use ports more common to World of Warcraft clients then normal P2P.
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packetscan
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Corruption

Another government official is purchased.
This is getting out of control.
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Mike
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Re: Corruption

Someone needs to establish a PAC that bribes politicians for useful causes. If it works for the crooks, become one.

danza_
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San Jose, CA

Why

spend all the money on filtering out contents when you can just increase bandwidth? The filter will most likely affect legitimate users and cause all sorts of headaches too.
Kain

join:2003-05-01
Portland, OR

Good Job

He is representing his constituents. I hope the other politicians do the same and vote this bill down.
pubwvj

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West Topsham, VT

Icky Pooh

Hmm... What will he want next? For the phone companies to send us nasty letters if we say something he doesn't like on our land lines or cellphones? The last thing we need is more Nanny State government. Ick.

flamingcrumb
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Venice, CA

Privacy issue

As an example it is one thing to obtain a warrant to wiretap a phone as part of a criminal investigation. It would be quite different if officers listened in on general calls at random fishing for possible wrong doing. This totally crosses that type of line. ISP records on customers should always remain confidential unless their is a probable cause and a specific warrant. No fishing expeditions. This is a Civil Liberties issue.
old_wiz_60

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Bedford, MA

Re: Privacy issue

and you really believe the government Gestapo is going to worry about whether or not anything is legal?

AlexNYC

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Edwards, CO

I call BS

There isn't a single move theater within 60 miles of my house that is showing the new movie "War" ... Guess where I going to HAVE TO get it from?

MoeDumb
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Bought and paid for

I'd bet my last torrent.

BryanOnFiber

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LoL

What a dork

johndoe303

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ATT

No surprise there.. This stuff is getting scary.
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fiddelm3742
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Ghostbusters anyone?

Am I the only one that thinks he looks like Egon Spangler
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djrobx

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edit:
August 29th, @07:36PM

Re: Ghostbusters anyone?

I bet for fun, he collects spores, molds, and fungus.

Jason Levine
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Whatever you do, don't cross the pirated streams!

texans20
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The Records

Most of his money comes from Time Warner, in second place we have Walt Disney and in third place we have Vivendi. He also gets a lot of his money from other places such as News Corp (what?), Viacom, and Sony. So yea, he is getting a lot of money from people who don't care for piracy very much.

»www.opensecrets.org/politicians/···00008094
»www.opensecrets.org/politicians/···00008094

He has recieved contributions from both the MPAA and the RIAA, along with the ASCAP, Clear Channel, NAB, and several record companies.

The MPAA PAC #1 reciepent of funds is, you guessed it, Howard Berman. The RIAA gave the most money to Robert Wexler (R - FL) but Berman is high up there in what looks to be about 3rd place.

»www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.···cle=2006
»www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.···cle=2006
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en102
Canadian, eh?

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Valencia, CA

Re: The Records

Why am I not surprised... he works for these companies... NOT those the voters.
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TScheisskopf
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This name rings a bell.

Did this guy used to be an entertainment lawyer?

KrK
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*Sigh*

Maybe we should just lock people in cells in advance to make sure they are "Protected" from accessing copyrighted content....

chazpaw
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Re: *Sigh*

*Sigh* is right.
Dan888

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Wilmington, DE

It's a shame this has a shot at being passed.

We would never think about doing this for phone, or mail, or anything else. Since the internet is new though and they don't understand it, we have these laws being proposed with reasonable chances of being passed.
wispagod

join:2001-06-28
House Springs, MO

When did isp become police?

When was it our responcibility as isp to police what people do on the ineternet, it would be like ATT having to monitor every drug deal and hand there info to the DEA, i think the isp would sue over this, i dont think it'll happen.!
impulse101

join:2007-01-30
Beachwood, NJ

Re: When did isp become police?

SSL Account

just get giganews with encrypted SSL account, your newsreader of choice like NewsBin, go to »www.binsearch.info/ to get your "non-copyrighted legal" nzb file and you are done.

MoeDumb
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edit:
August 30th, @09:45AM

Re: When did isp become police?

NM.
Kearnstd
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people want the ISPs to be the police and Cable TV to be the Nanny nowdays.
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