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clubs: | Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! I agree with you on unions but fairpoint would suck up here | |
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AnnaS8
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Annapolis, MD
| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! I don't know...I wouldn't say I am for unions but generally union workers do better work. I have seen the difference between union and non union workers. My cousin had a union electrician come out and take a look at his breaker box and the guy yelled at him for having a rats nest. When the guy was done everything was tied off and looked 100 times better. He didn't charge him anything it was one of those friend of a friend type deals. You know one of those..."I will take a look at it for a case of beer" type deals. | |
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join:2006-08-24
Schenectady, NY | Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! Not to union bash here...
But aren't you getting at what is special about "licensed contractors" versus someone who happens to be in a union? | |
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swintec
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Alfred, ME | Do better work huh? At what price does it come at? What kind of quality? Have you SEEN or read about the Big Dig in Boston? I'm sure GM doesnt share your same thoughts about Unions either. | |
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cableties
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| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! Whoa. I'm not a fan of bad unions, but most CWA folks I've met (and worked with) are smarter lot. Think about the guy (gal) that has to be out on a pole, during a rain storm to keep your service running, at 4am. You'll balk that they get OT. And why not? The sub-contractors that are NOT union are doing a poor job, and the higher payed (and thinned out) union techs fix their mess.
OP- you missed the POINT of the subject: Verizon's Bean Counters have found a tax loophole and would jeopardize workers, customers and service just for a taxbreak! Nothing like screwing an economy (in the long term) for a short-term profit under the name of the shareholder.
Yeah. Blame the worker, not the boss. Troll troll troll your boatt... | |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
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Belvidere, NJ
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| Never worked in a union, have you? Didn't think so. I have. Friend of mine just finished a union job, taking down a big chunk of a refinery in Philly. Worked all winter. 12 hours a day. Outside. 7 days a week. In all kinds of weather.
While you were inside, warm and comfy, listening to whatever squawking head you listen to, he was working. Hard. Harder than you probably have ever worked in your life.
Jeebus, some of you guys don't know nuthin' about nuthin'... | |
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join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY | Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! not to mention those cozy 40 hour workweeks. oh, and not having seven year olds dig coal. yeah, it's a bitch. | |
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join:2004-03-11
De Pere, WI
| said by TScheisskopf  :Never worked in a union, have you? Didn't think so. I have. Friend of mine just finished a union job, taking down a big chunk of a refinery in Philly. Worked all winter. 12 hours a day. Outside. 7 days a week. In all kinds of weather. While you were inside, warm and comfy, listening to whatever squawking head you listen to, he was working. Hard. Harder than you probably have ever worked in your life. Jeebus, some of you guys don't know nuthin' about nuthin'... What does that have to do with a union? Unions where created to give power to the “little guy” so that “big business” would not walk all over them. In the past, unions where a great thing. But, with all the laws out now, they truly server no purpose. My father worked under one for years and each month paid his union dues. As he told me, the money he spent to be in one, never equaled what he got back. | |
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join:2006-10-25
Lakewood, CA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! People should not be allowed to be in unions once they hit a certain pay grade for the industry. Period.
Seondly public employees should never have been allowed to unionize. Due to this we now have huge pension deficits and all us taxpayers are going to get hosed on our retirement just to pay for these lazy ass pub. employees to get 90% of their salary and health bennies when they retire at 50-55 | |
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ColorBASIC
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2 edits | Or brother. My violin plays for him. I have a friend in the elevator union and he brags about his triple OT, 6 hour days getting paid for 8-12, huge on call bonuses plus benefits.
My guess is your buddy was very WELL PAID to wear a coat this Winter.
Hard working union worker is a contradiction in terms. And it's not bashing...more power to 'em. Everyone should have it so easy but then we would be like France...an irrelevant economic mess.
As for doing better work...my local DMV office and public school system seem to prove unions don't equal better work. All it means is overpaid workers with little to no accountability for any crappy work they do.
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| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! said by ColorBASIC :As for doing better work...my local DMV office and public school system seem to prove unions don't equal better work. All it means is overpaid workers with little to no accountability for any crappy work they do. With respect to the local school system, perhaps you should be looking at the quality of the children and the lack of parental involvement for why the teachers appear to be performing so poorly...
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| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! said by bmn :said by ColorBASIC :As for doing better work...my local DMV office and public school system seem to prove unions don't equal better work. All it means is overpaid workers with little to no accountability for any crappy work they do. With respect to the local school system, perhaps you should be looking at the quality of the children and the lack of parental involvement for why the teachers appear to be performing so poorly... Then why don't the teachers say that instead of saying they need more money for pay? All I hear in Baltimore City Public Schools is the need for higher pay for teachers. If they would say publicly the problem is parents, then I could see asking for more money. | |
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| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! said by moonpuppy :said by bmn :said by ColorBASIC :As for doing better work...my local DMV office and public school system seem to prove unions don't equal better work. All it means is overpaid workers with little to no accountability for any crappy work they do. With respect to the local school system, perhaps you should be looking at the quality of the children and the lack of parental involvement for why the teachers appear to be performing so poorly... Then why don't the teachers say that instead of saying they need more money for pay? All I hear in Baltimore City Public Schools is the need for higher pay for teachers. If they would say publicly the problem is parents, then I could see asking for more money. Well, if I was working as hard as they do, as much out of the workplace as they have to, I'd be jumping up and down for more money, especially when you factor in how crappy their pay is in the grand scheme. They perform one of the most important jobs, far more important than that of CEOs and athletes (where do you think those people get their education, hmm ?), and get paid a pittance.
And you probably don't hear them saying it is the parents and children that are a part of the problem because it doesn't work for them and it doesn't make for good press. If they go out and say that the parents are one of the biggest reasons their kids of doing so poorly, it looks like they are deflecting blame. Problem is that I know a couple of teachers and they will tell you that schools have basically become day cares and that parents don't instill any discipline in their children anymore, which disrupts the learning process for all children.
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NOCMan
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| Get a clue. Unions are powerless nowdays. You have allowed yourselves to fracture to the point that you can not even run a effective strike.
Look at the airlines. They get their concessions from the Unions and then a month later declare bankruptcy anyways and lay you guys off.
If the Airline unions had any balls they'd strike at all airlines and facilities. Then maybe someone would listen to you guys.
My dad was Union until an extended strike forced our family into bankruptcy and we had to move away from that job to make ends meet. I think I was probably 4 at the time and I still remember at least moving. Never found out why until my 20's.
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ColorBASIC
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| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! If airline unions were stupid, they'd strike at all airlines and facilities.
A good parasite should know not to kill it's host.
When union greed kills their host (like the steel and auto industry) they're left with nothing. Unions are finally wising up and are starting to understand that if they let their greed get the better of themselves they croak along with their host.
The only unions that can get away with endless greed anymore is gov't unions because gov't has an unlimited supply of money (although they're having to borrow to get it).
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by NOCMan :Get a clue. Unions are powerless nowdays. You have allowed yourselves to fracture to the point that you can not even run a effective strike. Look at the airlines. They get their concessions from the Unions and then a month later declare bankruptcy anyways and lay you guys off. If the Airline unions had any balls they'd strike at all airlines and facilities. Then maybe someone would listen to you guys. The National Guard will force them to work, or be jail/shot, because of "national security". | |
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ColorBASIC
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3 edits | Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! No they wouldn't. Air traffic controllers weren't. They were simply fired. The aerospace unions having learned their lesson from the steel and auto industry understand that there is simply no money to be had. The US airlines are just now posting profits again since 2001 and any union action now would mean the death of their host. In that event, everyone loses.
The unions should start buying up failing airlines and run them like credit unions. Take the profits made and divide it up between the workers. 2 things would happen...it works and everyone is happy. It doesn't and they realize running an airline ain't easy. | |
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NOCMan
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Flower Mound, TX
| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! There's a difference. We do not allow cheap foreign airlines to fly our commuter routes.
The Auto industry failed because they paid their employees way too much. 65 dollars an hour to affix doors on a car?
Foreign autoplants are going all robotic and their employees are getting good pay (They fix the robots) and require fewer of them.
American cars are plain by any standard, lack features that people clearly want at a price point that Americans are able to afford.
Another clue why they're doomed to failure.
Look at these new E85 stickers on the back of cars. Oh yea what cars. Nope you only see them on the backs of those huge SUVs and Trucks and not the cheap ones. They clearly want to protect their high margin vehicles rather than help with the oil problem. That and look at Toyota and some Indian company who will be introducing sub 3000.00 cars into the US auto market.
I'll buy American, I remember when wal-mart was big on that. However when American means I'm buying high priced crap I'll pass and give my money to some company that actually gives a damn.
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ColorBASIC
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4 edits | Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! A lot of GM's and Ford's cars and light trucks are available with flexfuel (E85) engines. Problem is you can't get E85 anywhere other than the plain-states so they aren't going to put them in their smaller vehicles. So for now FFV is marketed primarily to fleet owners (who don't buy or use small cars). They both make tons of CNG vehicles for fleet use as well. For the masses Ford was first to market with a hybrid SUV and Chevrolet the first to market with a hybrid full size truck and hybrid full size SUV. Saturn will be first to market with a hybrid cross-over SUV. But you'll never see media coverage of this stuff. The oil argument doesn't fly as GM puts out more models that get better than 30 MPG than ANY other car maker. However people still see GM as the gas guzzler maker.
As far as vehicles people don't want, this is contradicted by sales numbers. US small truck sales alone are about the same as the next 7 top cars combined. In 2006 Ford sold more F-Series trucks than Toyota sold Camrys, Solaras and Corolla's combined. So it's not volume that is hurting the industry and it's not the product they make.
I do agree it's the labor costs that are hurting these companies, moreover it's legacy labor costs. It's the money being spent on laborers who no longer produce anything.
If you think American cars suck, that's a different argument. I'm just looking at the numbers which clearly say American vehicles are selling well, there's just no margin in them because of these legacy costs.
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join:2006-09-03
Marietta, GA
| Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! "GM puts out more models that get better than 30 MPG than ANY other car maker. However people still see GM as the gas guzzler maker."
lmao that's the same stuff that they say on their commercials ahahahahhaah...are you sure you don't work for GM?
Even IF GM does have more models that get 30 mpg, how many models do they have that don't? And GM owns several companies, including: chevy, saturn, pontiac, buick, GMC, cadillac, hummer, opel, saab, vauxhall, and daewoo. Of course they are going to have more MODELS that have 30 mpg, when they own 11 different branches! They put the same engine in different lineups of cars to sell them as luxury, affordable, economy etc. American car manufacturers have ALWAYS been inferior compared to their Japenese brethren. 30 years ago american car manufacturers only competed with other american car manufacturers. The short, sweet success that they experienced, they thought would last forever. Hence the broken promises of today. They simply can't compete on cost, value, mileage, etc. | |
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ieolus
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Duluth, GA | Speaking of Wal-Mart, I would be suprised if 10% of the stuff they sell is made anywhere but China.
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Pasadena, TX | Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! True, but there was a time - honestly, there really was - when Walmart's biggest selling point was that they sold stuff that was actually made in the USA.
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ieolus
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Duluth, GA | Re: Getting rid of the unions would be a good thing! I believe you, but that isn't the last 10 years. If you want to look at what really is wrong with America, look first to Wal-Mart.
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| | PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| said by wifi4milez :Fairpoint should set a precedent by simply contracting with whoever offers the best price for a given job. This way the corrupt union can bid on projects just like everyone else. If they do well on a project good for them, if they bog an install down in weeks of red tape then they simply wont get the business the next time. Let them earn their money like the rest of us! Yea, 'sounds great except for that pesky National Labor Relations Act. Once the employees vote for a union, the union gains monopoly power in supplying labor to Fairpoint, and Fairpoint just has to eat it. No more firing lousy performers, or paying high performers more. Everyone gets seniority-based pay, as the unions carry out hteir #1 mission - protecting mediocracy. | |
| | NHpublius
join:2007-05-18
Manchester, NH
| Your lack of knowledge in how unions work and what the give and take is between the employees and companies is staggering. You constantly hear people bitching that this CEO or that CEO makes too much money. What unions do is spread the money that company makes to the people that actually helped build the company that makes the huge profits.
Not the this deal is even going to go through, but if it were, Fairpoint trying to break the union would be a very expensive and painful learning process for them.
www.VERIZONVSFAIRPOINT.com | |
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join:2007-06-18
Mechanic Falls, ME | if unions are so bad why is it that fairpoints cost per loop is the highest around - and way higher than verizons - sure population density is a factor - but when compared to similar size telcos fairpoint is still the most expensive | |
| bunklung
join:2002-07-13
Northampton, MA | And... We should also get rid of the CEOs that don't improve stock prices. | |
| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | Note: Verizon wants taxpayers to pay for this Note that Verizon saves $600 million in federal taxes if this deal goes through even before Fairpoint asks for more tax dollars. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| Re: Note: Verizon wants taxpayers to pay for this As a matter of fact the mortgage deduction does help pay for a home. That's the point to encourage home ownership. However if you try to sell your house the government will expect you to pay taxes on the profit. Don't forget that Bell Atlantic (now Verizon) was never required to buy NYNEX in the first place and made promises to get approval to do so. | |
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ColorBASIC
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Corona, CA
| Re: Note: Verizon wants taxpayers to pay for this Actually you would only pay capital gains if you don't buy another house. If you do buy another house, you get to take advantage of this "loophole" in tax avoidance.
In either case, taxpayers aren't paying anything. It's YOUR money to keep, just like it's Verizon's money to keep.
If you want an example of Verizon fleecing taxpayers, look at the billions for fiber deal where Verizon stole billions from PA taxpayers and didn't deploy crap.
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL | Re: Steve Early - an axe to grind ?? Funny, people at CWA average $40K for a secretary and $75k for a state union rep.
Source: Unionfacts.org | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Re: Steve Early - an axe to grind ?? Yes. This is all just more union pushed propaganda hoping that they can force a deal with a new owner that won't make them work for their pay....
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| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| clec becoming an ilec? most clec's wouldn't have the financial capital to take over a legacy copper network and transform it into a world-class fiber optic network.. Verizon has NO interest in doing so, although they could.. but they will want some mighty large incentive to do so, not the least of which is state/region-wide franchise with no special conditions. TO DATE, many of the areas which do not have 10+megabits broadband DO NOT HAVE SUCH service for a darn good reason.. this is primarily because it is not financially profitable to deploy such a network there, yet...
Let's not forget that generally, we're talking about internet which costs less than $50 per subscriber.. Verzion will not back away from the 18-24 month window for becoming profitable on deploying a ADSL_2+, or FTTP line to subscribers in New England, no matter what else happens; Union jobs, No Union jobs, hell or high gas prices.. so unless those New England States help them figure out this equation.. they are stuck in Dialup Land or at the mercy of cable/satellite. | |
| | PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Re: clec becoming an ilec? said by tmc8080 :TO DATE, many of the areas which do not have 10+megabits broadband DO NOT HAVE SUCH service for a darn good reason.. this is primarily because it is not financially profitable to deploy such a network there, yet... Are you sure about that? Many industry experts, e.g., Dave Burnstein, say DSL can be deployed profitably just about anywhere. Even the CEO of AT&T has been quoted as saying so. Not to mention the small independent telcos that seem to be able to deploy broadband with greater penetration than Verizon.
I'm not sure even Verzon has said it would be be unprofitable to deploy in the Fairpoint territory, but rather it would be "less profitable" than they would like; i.e., they see a greater ROI in doing other things with their CAPEX - like deploying FIOS to those customers that already have DSL. It's irrelevent to them that this strategy means locking millions of their other subs out of any broadband at all. | |
| pepperxn
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| vz Are the selling off all of NE landlines? Or just the unprofitable ones? If they're selling off their complete NE landline network, this would almost reverse their buyout of NYNEX (when Bell Atlantic bought NYNEX). NYNEX = New York New England, with an added X.
Notice any similiarities between Verizon and Cablevision? Yeah, 2 different type of companies, but... Cablevision has a smaller area than a cable co like Time Warner Cable and Comcast, but... look at the speeds Ool provides. Both are focusing on profitable areas it seems. I read that the reason VZ stocks were always high (over $40 now) is because of the area of the country they provide phone service to, New York/New England area. Now VZ is replacing copper lines with fiber to provide tv and higher speeds. This does a number of things, creates more of a monopoly, because you now have to have VZ as your phone company. VZ has a smaller area than AT&T has. I think at&t will eventually move to a more fios type of connection. Yeah, it'll cost more money, because of more customers, but they have now have more revenue due to the purchase of bellsouth.
Basically, all I'm saying is that if they sell off their NE landlines they would have a smaller footprint in the country, and would look more like Cablevision. I'm not saying anything bad about Cablevision, but speculation always was that Cablevision would go private, then be sold to Time Warner Cable, or even Comcast, with the 1st one being the likely buyer.
A while back I read that investors fear that VZ would spin off their landline division, and focus on wireless, like Sprint did. I don't think they would do that, because of the money they're spending on fios, but I wonder if they're upgrading to fiber to make their landline division value rise in preparation for a spinoff... hmm... | |
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: vz Verizon is just selling their landlines in the three states of ME, NH, and VT. IOW they are splitting up what used to be NYNEX and keeping MA, NY, and RI. Actually Fairpoint will become a majority owned subsidiary of Verizon. | |
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SteveCon
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| Re: vz said by Sammer :Verizon is just selling their landlines in the three states of ME, NH, and VT. IOW they are splitting up what used to be NYNEX and keeping MA, NY, and RI. Actually Fairpoint will become a majority owned subsidiary of Verizon. You're right about ME, NH & VT access lines being sold - but dead wrong about Fairpoint becoming any kind subsidiary of Verizon.
Step 1: Verizon will create a “spin off” company of Verizon operations, which will be a wholly owned subsidiary of the core company. The VT, ME, and NH operations will transfer $900 million to the Verizon parent corporation.
Step 2. Verizon will take the new “spin off” Company and immediately merge it with and into FairPoint. Verizon will receive $2,100 per access line. Total valuation of the deal $2.715 billion ($1.015 billion FairPoint stock to VZ shareholders, and $1.7 billion in Verizon debt transferred to FairPoint)
Step 3. FairPoint will take control of Verizon Plant, central offices, switches, customer lists, all internet systems from customer to (but not including) internet point of presence, internet customer lists, FIOS build out around Nashua NH.
In step 1, Verizon corporation receives $900M from the new entity that they created.
Look at step 2 closely. Verizon's stockholders get $1.015B in Fairpoint stock. Verizon corporation gets $1.7B of its debt transfered to Fairpoint.
Verizon ends up with ZERO Fairpoint stock - hence ZERO control of Fairpoint. Verizon stockholders get Fairpoint stock to keep or sell.
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| Re: vz Technically that's true it's Verizon's stockholders who will own 60% of Fairpoint so it's a spinoff rather than a subsidiary. However Verizon will get to choose 6 of the 9 members of the board of directors. Fairpoint will have to remain independent for one year or it will owe the $600 million tax savings that Verizon is getting. | |
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Mechanic Falls, ME | thank you for setting that one straight sammer | |
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VERIZON TECH
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| WHAT A JOKE Would you rather have a well paid union member doing a good job and keeping you in service- or some boob named Juan making $8.50 an hour that doesnt know how to fix anything. Since when is job security a bad thing? The Verizon techs deserve every bit of their salary, benefits, and job security. Last year Verizon ended pensions to anyone with under 15 years of service- for management, do you think they would hesitate for a second to do that to the Union represented technicians if they could? Verizon has made money hand over fist year after year- I dont think the union has anything to do with how the company is doing. How many of you guys would want to be in 20 below 0 weather in the bottom of a manhole? or on a telephone pole a couple of feet away from a powerline in a rainstorm? Techs in the Boston area make $65,000 a year in an area where the average price of a house is $500,000- tell me they are overpaid?- these guys need union representation to keep the greedy bastards in upper management from cutting their wages and benefits just so they can make their multiple million dollar bonuses.
Verizon is cutting off "less profitable" areas- they sold the Super Pages- a few states in the south- Hawaii- and a some interests in Central America. This is just a case of making their stock look good while they push the Fios Network. Is it good for Me, Nh, and Vt--- no it's not. If this thing goes through say bye bye to the possibility of ever getting Fios, or even DSL in some areas, say hello to higher prices- crappy service- and a inability to afford any upgrades on an already aging system. And you are probably right- bye bye Union in the NorthEast. | |
| | PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
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| Re: WHAT A JOKE said by VERIZON TECH :
Since when is job security a bad thing? It's always been a bad thing. When you believe that all you have to do is show up every day, and you'll get automatic raises, no matter how well or how poorly you do your job; when you believe that you shouldn't bother to really excel at your job, because you won't earn any more than the smuck that shows up hung over every day, when that same-said smuck knows that he's got "job security" and automatic seniority-based raises, then yea, that's a bad thing.
My BIL worked for AT&T back when they were "The Phone Company". He said it was all about coffee runs and dragging things out as much as possible. 'he left because he was more amibitious than some "job security" union shop would let him be. | |
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: WHAT A JOKE The Verizon techs I've met are highly skilled, very hard working, and do a lot more than just show up for the job. | |
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It's always been a bad thing. When you believe that all you have to do is show up every day, and you'll get automatic raises, no matter how well or how poorly you do your job; when you believe that you shouldn't bother to really excel at your job
A few years ago Verizon STUPIDLY tried to fire 1000's union workers in the NY area against the contract. Thank god for the unions who brought back every single one of them. They ended up with a 1 year paid vacation.
Ivan Seidenberg and Larry Babbio should have been sent to the guillotine for making such a blunder costing billions of dollars.
Long live CWA. | |
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| Re: WHAT A JOKE And nobody paid for that big blunder..
They (management) had the oppurtunity to let those workers keep working until the arbitrator made his ruling, but instead they laid them off anyway resulting in forced OT, temporary transfers of techs to keep up with the workload in some area's (with additional pay for being temp xferred).
They spent more money working people OT to keep up with the work load at the same time they were fighting the union in court saying they didnt need these people.. BTW they wound up HIRING additional people after the recall of laid off workers!!
In the end all those laid off got a FULL PAID VACATION..
Why werent the stockholders screaming about this blunder?
Lay people off who have a CHANCE of being rehired with FULL BACKPAY!!!
Any IDIOT could see that if they lost it would cost them big time | |
| hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | Not the Carlyle Group I'm actually surprised its not going to the Carlyle Group who bought VZ Hawaii. | |
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA
| Gee, choosing the best financial way to go. Hmmmm. So, some entity figures out a way to take advantage of some rule(s) to maximize the financial gain of a transaction.
Hmmm.
We all do that, most everytime we consider buying or selling something, don't we?
I'm shocked!
SHOCKED!
That rational people would endeavor to maximize the financial gain isn't what shocks me.
It is the rules / laws that remain on the books, that permit such market distortions, that are the real shockers.
There may (or may not) have been an actual good reason for such rules / laws, at one point.
Unfortunately, they seem to almost always become chieseled in stone. Then have interest groups that lobby to keep those rules, 'cause everybody structured their financial plans based on the rules. Very seldom are there effective "Sun Set" provisions (that don't virtually always end up automatically re-approving the rule(s), anyhow).
The best "Sun Setting", IMHO, is where the value / benefit of the rule is reduced, right within the initial codification, by, say, 20% per year, making it clearly a 5 year deal. (Or 10% per year for 10 years, or .... )
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tonyfer2
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Elizabeth, NJ
clubs: | Re: Gee, choosing the best financial way to go. Hmmmm. I am for unions we do better work .............. | |
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just a guy
@myvzw.com | verizon tell me this have you had a comcast tech? or verizon ? the union verizon tech did a much better job at my house | |
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Why Verizon Chose Fairpoint
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Steve Early - an axe to grind ??