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All Computers Are Junk
join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI | Too late... I just used a all my couch change for gas.  | |
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join:2001-01-03
Lancaster, OH | Re: Too late... you can afford gas? | |
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burgermeister
All Computers Are Junk
join:2000-10-23
Utica, MI | Re: Too late... Not anymore, the couch is empty.
Guess I'll have to invite some 'guests' over and hope they make a cash deposit into the couch when they sit down.
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draven
Premium,Mod
join:2002-02-20
my bunker
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General Questions
No, I Will Not Fix..
| said by burgermeister  :I just used a all my couch change for gas. I hear that.
So, if cable can deploy all of this for couch change, why is Comcast still more expensive - and lesser quality - than the FIOS I just traded them in for? | |
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| Re: Too late... Business 101.
Sell your product for as much as you can as long as you can.
Can you say if you were the head of a billion dollar company you would say.."You know, we should drop our prices."
I know alot of people on here bitch about pricing, but how can you honestly say you would do it different? His job is to make the company money. They are a 'for-profit' company.
Don't get me wrong, I hate the price of just about everything.
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draven
Premium,Mod
join:2002-02-20
my bunker
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General Questions
No, I Will Not Fix..
| Re: Too late... Hey, I was happy to pay the pricing for 2 years in my new place.
But they aren't hitting the limits of DOCSIS 2.0 right now. Yet they aren't competitive with FIOS, and Brian Roberts was yakking about upping speeds to threshold levels years ago with the flip of a switch.
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Re: Too late... said by draven :Hey, I was happy to pay the pricing for 2 years in my new place. But they aren't hitting the limits of DOCSIS 2.0 right now. Yet they aren't competitive with FIOS, and Brian Roberts was yakking about upping speeds to threshold levels years ago with the flip of a switch. You can talk the talk all you want, but you need to walk the walk one of these times. If people are willing to pay more for less whose fault is that?
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| Re: Too late... said by JSRoman :If people are willing to pay more for less whose fault is that? For some of us it's pay more for less because your other alternative is Sat or wait with 'giddy anticipation' for that 'gem' U-Verse. | |
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA | couch change? wish i had a couple billion in my couch.. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: couch change? That must be the CEO's couch... as Comcast keeps raising rates by the amount that I can find in my couch.  | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | Re: couch change? Yup he means by a MINOR price increase, which is probably 3-10 dollars. But thats how the cablecookie crumbles | |
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Ammler
Premium
join:2005-04-19
Pittsburgh, PA | *Yawn* Just like FIOS, I will believe it when I see it. Until then it is nothing else but pillow talk to me. | |
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Toadman
How do you like these Apples
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH
| Re: *Yawn* said by Ammler :Just like FIOS, I will believe it when I see it. Until then it is nothing else but pillow talk to me. Agree 100%. The most I can get out of my Docsys 2 modem is 7mbps, a far cry from the 15mbps advertised from the standard. I don't see any reason for a cable company to roll out the new standard when they are complacent on the current system.
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join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | Re: *Yawn* actually the docvsis 2 standard goes up to about 41 down and 30 up. docsis 1.1 is 40 down and 10 up. Cablevision is the only cable provider that is using docsis 2 in the us that I know of. | |
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Supafly
Premium
join:2000-07-15
Elk Grove, CA
| Re: *Yawn* said by majortom1029 :Cablevision is the only cable provider that is using docsis 2 in the us that I know of. That might be true on a nationwide level, but I can guarantee that TWC (Previously Adelphia) is running 100% DOCSIS 2.0 from the Headend to my Modem here in the Antelope Valley. | |
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join:2002-04-04
Pleasant Grove, UT | Re: *Yawn* I was going to say the samething! It is a brand new HSI system. | |
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| jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Technically, it's cushion talk, since we're discussing sofas.  | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | Re: *Yawn* Naa, I say more pillow talk.
If we're talking gas for any reason, we're all " biting the pillow" a little harder as we "take it"...
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Premium
join:2005-04-19
Pittsburgh, PA
| Speaking of discussions....Where does this company (Comcast) come up with these ridiculous sayings. I mean first their Net service is like a "BMW", now we are funding the upgrade project with "couch change".
Hey, I just realized something. Why would anyone want to upgrade their "BMW" with "couch change", should they be using "gold bullion" instead? | |
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kalphearion
In nomine Patri
Premium
join:2003-11-08
Denver, CO
clubs: | uh huh Lets see what happens in 2008. Mr. Craddock might just end up choking on his own words, which would do us as consumers a favor. | |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | docis 2 I have gotton 12 down from my modem
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Roundboy
Premium
join:2000-10-04
Drexel Hill, PA | soo... no price hike next year? Since its peanuts to add 3.0 ?
Promise?
Or should you start working on the excuse now ?
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Ebolla
join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA | Re: soo... no price hike next year? internet price hasnt changed in 4+ years so I would guess it wont again next year. | |
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Zoder
join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL | How much did Comcast pay? Anyone know how much they paid to upgrade their plant in the late 90s to support digital cable and HSI? | |
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
Premium
join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
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| Re: How much did Comcast pay? Alot of their areas did the fiber-coax hybrid system I can take a random shot I heard awhile ago it was around 48 billion and they've been riding that system since with only minor upgrades. Thats why they are able to do things like this the fiber is down they just need to set up the new equipment.
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: How much did Comcast pay? But hybrid only goes so far. Upgrade after upgrade, eventually they will be forced to push the fiber farther and farther into the neighborhoods to get enough bandwidth to the customer. Comcast is just spreading the cost of installation across decades while Verizon is choosing to do it all at once.
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
Premium
join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
clubs: | Re: How much did Comcast pay? True but its a smart plan because they can slowly improve it while makeing a incrediable profit.
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: How much did Comcast pay? said by MysticGogeta :True but its a smart plan because they can slowly improve it while makeing a incrediable profit. But is it more profit in the long term? Say Verizon's upgrade costs $100m. If Comcast has to pay on average $40m for each round of upgrades and it takes 3 upgrades to get to an equivalent capable system, is the extra $20m worth it? Obviously my numbers are made up, but I would think that the incremental steps overall would cost more once everything is said and done then one big step.
What also has to be weighted is can the company even afford one giant step instead of smaller steps (and in the case of Comcast I believe they could) as well as can they afford the risks.
Verizon by doing one big step with jumping to FiOS has a state of the art system that is more or less ready for the next couple of decades. Most cable companies infrastructure is only 1/2 ready with the really expensive part to upgrade being the part that is left undone. Both are functionally about the same right now, but I think even with Docsis 3.0 it's still a band-aid on an older technology.
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| give 38mbits first.. How about nodesplitting until customers can get the full 38megabit caps their modems provide without customer upgrades?
Then we'll see what FIOS has instore for that response.. it's doubtful that FIOS or any flavor of AT&T adsl will want to give 50mbit service for less than their $90 pricetag anytime soon.
Maybe then Verizon and AT&T will get off their ass and spend some cash getting their lines deployed. | |
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join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | Re: give 38mbits first.. I dont know wich provider your area is served by but cablevision provides 30/5 package. Thats not close enough for you ? | |
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
Premium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
| said by tmc8080 :How about nodesplitting until customers can get the full 38megabit caps their modems provide without customer upgrades? Screw the node splitting.
Build new nodes. | |
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| Re: give 38mbits first.. said by marigolds :said by tmc8080 :How about nodesplitting until customers can get the full 38megabit caps their modems provide without customer upgrades? Screw the node splitting. Build new nodes. Kinda the same thing. They are splitting them into new nodes.
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join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| said by marigolds :said by tmc8080 :How about nodesplitting until customers can get the full 38megabit caps their modems provide without customer upgrades? Screw the node splitting. Build new nodes. Boost only gives 30mbit cap equals about 22-27mbits.. I'm talking about the next split which should yield the TOTAL caps of 38mbits for the same price as the 30mbit service. Outside of cablevision land the industry is quite lax in upgrades, having mostly sub-10mbit services with some less than 1mbit upload. It's gonna take MORE than pocketchange in some geographic areas to push FIBER nodes that deep into some pseudo rural homes/communities. As cable companies get more and more revenue from cable VOIP, this will be financed by telco's lo$$. AT&T and Verizon wouldn't exactly call it pocket change. Deploying new nodes (and supporting bandwidth) costs real $$ money $$ and it ain't pocket change.. | |
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The Folsom
Kindly Shut Your Noise Hole.
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA | I wish I had a couch like that... | |
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nilnet
join:2000-09-13
Bradenton, FL | 150Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 How does Cable think they can get everybody on a ring to get that speed. They're dreaming. They're putting 50 pounds of crap into a 1 pound bag.
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| NeedMoreSpeed
join:2000-11-05
Greenfield, IN
| Re: 150Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 Well, they will do it the same way they forced me to upgrade to 2.0 from 1.1. "We won't support you until you upgrade." After I upgraded, I still had a problem and they played around in their boxes and things improved briefly.
Joys of a highspeed monopoly?
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schipperke
join:1999-11-29
Potomac, MD | I'm happier with FIOS 5/2 that is 99% reliable, than have Comcast 150 that is 50/50 reliable. Something tells me Verizon would not be giving away FIOS installs if they had any doubt of overall reliability that KEEPS customers... | |
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| markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
·Charter Pipeline
| said by nilnet :How does Cable think they can get everybody on a ring to get that speed. They're dreaming. They're putting 50 pounds of crap into a 1 pound bag. Of course they are dreaming, they are also getting the press to dream with them.
Everyone with common sense knows 2.0 won't offer those speed to customers. | |
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Premium
join:2004-02-20
Quakertown, PA | Re: 150Mbps DOCSIS 3.0 its 3.0 that will offer them speeds. not 2.0 | |
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sameshtdd
join:2006-01-04
Teaneck, NJ
| All this Bandwidth... But nowhere to use it...I have 20/5 FIOS and I'm suprised if I can go anywhere that comes close to maxing out my connection. Streaming video?? What website streams video at 5,10, or even 15Mbps??
Last mile speeds are important, but when my connection is as fast/faster than some companies internet connections...there's a problem...and me buying 50/5 isn't going to solve it. | |
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| xlimitx
join:2001-12-31
Wilkes Barre, PA
·ProLog
| Re: All this Bandwidth... said by sameshtdd :But nowhere to use it...I have 20/5 FIOS and I'm suprised if I can go anywhere that comes close to maxing out my connection. Streaming video?? What website streams video at 5,10, or even 15Mbps?? Last mile speeds are important, but when my connection is as fast/faster than some companies internet connections...there's a problem...and me buying 50/5 isn't going to solve it. Agreed, this is all about marketing and who can swing the biggest "stick". | |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Sounds like He took my couch. I want it back. | |
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join:2006-02-21
Sacramento, CA | Re: Sounds like You guys are lucky, all I find in my couch is old popcorn!!
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Where's the beef? Unless Brian Roberts intends to offer 150Mb/s/25Mb/s service for $9.95 per month, his claim that DOCSIS 3.0 can be funded by 'Couch Change' is pie-in-the-sky rhetoric.
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jarablue
Always be true to yourself
join:2001-06-11
Worcester, MA | Where is Charter in all of this? Oh I know...they are busy advertising 3meg internet here in my town of Worcester. LOL I had 3 meg cable internet back in 99 in South Carolina of all places. I wonder if they know they are in 2007? | |
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| Hanko
join:2001-12-28
Eatonville, WA
| Re: Where is Charter in all of this? Until they can even get cable to me I'll consider all of their comments on how well they will service their customers to be BLIVETS.
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JE
Can I Taste It? Mmmm
Premium
join:2000-12-15
Brooklyn, NY
1 edit | Oh Please! I am sick and tired of hearing people complain about prices! This is too much, Verizon gives it to me for less! The go to Verizon then! The problem with this Country is, people just like to hear themselves talk! No one is real about DOING THEY SAY
If people were really serious, then when they call in stating they want to cancel service, then it would be done right there on the spot!
If you want a cheaper rate then why don't you just flat out ask for it. Stop beating around the bush!
Cable companies and other big giants have certain pricing schemes for people who call in to cancel, called Saves or whatever they may call them. Call and ask for them!
And don't call through CS, idiots, call the cancellation department and moan to them about going elsewhere.
You see, if you know where u r going, you will never have a problem finding your way back! 
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The Folsom
Kindly Shut Your Noise Hole.
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Oh Please! said by JE :I am sick and tired of hearing people complain about prices! This is too much, Verizon gives it to me for less! The go to Verizon then! The problem with this Country is, people just like to hear themselves talk! No one is real about DOING THEY SAY If people were really serious, then when they call in stating they want to cancel service, then it would be done right there on the spot! If you want a cheaper rate then why don't you just flat out ask for it. Stop beating around the bush! Cable companies and other big giants have certain pricing schemes for people who call in to cancel, called Saves or whatever they may call them. Call and ask for them! And don't call through CS, idiots, call the cancellation department and moan to them about going elsewhere. You see, if you know where u r going, you will never have a problem finding your way back! Good point, JE...
Verizon 3M/768K suits me just fine for my needs/cost. Less $ here than my old place. Nice and snappy...
No fios available here yet, and not planning on getting it...
My take: no matter what the ISP's D/U is, latency is a major factor.
Price/cost won't repair it. Until there is a MAJOR standards/paradigm shift of the internet as we know it, all the best ISPs cannot assemble Humpty Dumpty. 
My $.02...
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