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Dangles deployment over lawmakers' heads
(old news - 11:13AM Wednesday Apr 18 2007)
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Verizon has long used a "carrot on a stick" approach to get lawmakers to pass legislation they desire. The most recent legislation Verizon wants passed is statewide franchise "reform" in Massachusetts; they claim they're going to stop applying for FiOS TV franchises until the state passes the law they're lobbying for. The company says "there's a cloud over Massachusetts," and they blame local cities and towns for slow FiOS deployment. Those towns and cities say if anyone is hampering deployment, it's Verizon -- whose real interest here is changing the law so it's legal to deploy only to the most profitable neighborhoods. Last fall Verizon stated the franchise system wasn't holding them back, but now that they want the laws changed, it apparently is.

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rudnicke
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Sick

I'm getting sick of Verizon and their bull.

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Re: Sick

said by rudnicke See Profile :

I'm getting sick of Verizon and their bull.
Verizon is getting sick of you too so you both should go your separate ways.
moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

So who will blink first?

My guess is Verizon will in this case.

AnonProxy
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ß

Re: So who will blink first?

The state will...they are all ready ready to do so.
axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC

Re: So who will blink first?

I wonder why Verizon doesn't try this tactic with New York...
ashworth

join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: So who will blink first?

I think the franchise agreements(LFA) are becoming harder to come by in Mass. In other states VZ is working through the process, but some communities I'm sure are holding them hostage and vise versa. Do ya want it or not ??
SD6

join:2005-03-26

said by axus See Profile :

I wonder why Verizon doesn't try this tactic with New York...
Because we're on to them in New York. We'll give them a statewide franchise so they can avoid the hundreds of different local franchising negotiations, but it won't be a giveaway where we give them everything they want.

VZ's opposition to the New York legislation is telling. They don't want statewide franchising just to avoid local franchising (they could have that now in New York if that's all they wanted), they want statewide franchising on their terms.

»NY Statewide CATV Franchising

Juda

@rr.com

Big Freakin Deal!

..With Cable available who needs FIOS? Verizon internet is a total joke! By waiting,Verizon's cutting their own balls off.

I got a few Ideas where Verizon can Stick the stick!
mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
·Verizon FIOS
·VoicePulse

Re: Big Freakin Deal!

said by Juda :

..With Cable available who needs FIOS? Verizon internet is a total joke! By waiting,Verizon's cutting their own balls off.

I got a few Ideas where Verizon can Stick the stick!
Obviously posted by someone who can't get FIOS or has never tried it.
lesopp

join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL

Re: Big Freakin Deal!

I've tried working with Verizon in the past for my broadband needs. They failed Bright House didn't.

I now have 15/2 with a static IP for $89.95 a month. Verizon wants $99.99 for the same thing. Plus Verizon would tack on things like USF, a regulatory cost recovery fee and the "we need more money in our coffee fund" fee.
mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA

Re: Big Freakin Deal!


While I don't have a static IP, I am paying $49.99 for 15/2 service and there are no fees or taxes on the Internet. ...just the TV side.
lesopp

join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL

Re: Big Freakin Deal!

At the time I went with Bright House, neither BH or VZ offered static IP's with their residential service, only with business class service. Verizon wants $10.04 more plus a two year contract.

In 2000 I moved to my current home 20 miles north of Tampa. I was stuck on dialup for a while. I communicated with Verizon about them getting DSL out here but they made the business decision (their words not mine) not to. My neighbor works for Verizon and told me it was because of the fight over line sharing. Interestingly, even after the RT was in place they still waited more than a year to start DSL service The cable company was first with broadband, Verizon has always been a day late and a dollar more. Not worth it to me.
nozzer

join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: Big Freakin Deal!

Why do you need a static IP exactly?
Theres nothing I can't do with a dynamic IP that I can with a static (aside from host a web server on port 80, because of the port block - and its pretty stupid to be running a real web service off the back of your residential 2MB connection anyhow, especially for an extra 40 bucks a month!)

phugit
Premium
join:2002-07-26
Olney, MD
Actually the Fios business plan with 15/2 and 5 static IPs I use is straight $99.95, no fees extra.
dr2500

join:2005-09-09
Lancaster, PA
no...cable is a joke.
BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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Is that you Brian Roberts ? From rr none the less ! Scary.

Juda

@rr.com

Re: Big Freakin Deal!

If Fios ever does show up,I'll call RR and they'll up my speed and lower the price! Verizon won't offer DSL in my area and I live in a heavily populated area in the largest city in the country. Verizon doesn't know which end is up! The corporate leaders need to shave their asses and start walking backwards!
NYC Girl
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New York, NY
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·Time Warner VOIP

Re: Big Freakin Deal!

LMAO
NYC Girl
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New York, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner VOIP

What is probably going to happen is when FIOS FINALLY hits my area or anywhere in the country there is NOT FIOS right now. RR (or ones current ISP) will up the speeds to compete w/them. They did it with Verizon DSL. RR was at 3.0, DSL was at 3.0 at a lower price. RR raised their speed to 5.0 and now 7.0 (more for some areas of the city - up to 10.0 for standard service).
supertech315

join:2006-03-01
Perris, CA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: Big Freakin Deal!

True but that means time warner up the speeds because the competition. Competition is always good , prices wars , and customer satisfaction war. That's a no brainer. and if this was your OWN business dont you take it where plp are actually gonna buy it?? ( percentage wise), I've never seen a mall in an area in the middle of nowhere where they are not gonna make a profit and just a few gonna plp gonna stop and buy something once a month , meanwhile they have to pay maintenance and personnel , power , heat etc. I totally agree that everyone should be entitled to the same benefits of the bandwidth but let them make a penny on the neighborhoods where they gonna build a customer base and then move to the others

AntiJuda

@charter.com

Their internet is a joke?

LOL. Guess you never had it. Oh and their cable PQ is better than cable too. Verizon isn't perfect, but it's better than the esablished cable companies I've had all over the country....

"Their internet is a joke"... LOL That's a good one... :-/

kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?

join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
·ViaTalk
·Verizon FIOS

Parallel strategy

I believe Verizon is applying for a patent that broadly includes the concept of a TV and the transmission of a TV signal to said TV. In about 6-7 years, they should be able to use this to sue cable providers in Massachusetts, driving them out of the state or out of business altogether. That way when Massachusetts has no cable TV providers, Verizon can swoop in and set its own terms. This, of course, is only a back up strategy, but it has already been proven to work.

Cabal
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join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA

Re: Parallel strategy

Bwaahaa. Awesome.

nipseyrussel
Nipsey Russell, yo

join:2002-02-22
Philadelphia, PA

grammar rant on/

ok, sorry to nitpick, but shouldn't it be carrot OR stick? i realize that the mental image is a carrot dangling on a string at the end of a stick, but since the carrot (incentive) is meant to be differentiated from the other type of motivating factor of being beat with a stick (punishment), its confusing to use the word "stick" as part of the former rather than as representative of the latter.
carry on

GlennAllen

join:2002-11-17
Richmond, VA
·Verizon FIOS

Re: grammar rant on/

I admire, and share, your sentiment. Sad to say, "picking nits" on this--and most--sites/forums/etc would be more than a full-time job. (It's almost enough to make you 'loose' it, huh? Then there's 'they're/their/there' to wonder about. I can except (as opposed to 'accept') the typos and those for whom English is not their native language, but what about the other 95%?)

As you say, carry on.
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emptywig
Huh? What?
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Pasadena, TX

Re: grammar rant on/

Not to mention how so many poster's fill their message's with incorrectly used apostrophe's.



wig
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GlennAllen

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Richmond, VA

Re: grammar rant on/

Hey!... I resemble that! (Norm Crosby, co-hort of Nipsey Russell--funny guys)
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daslog

join:2002-04-10
Milford, NH

I think the article is way off

In reality, Verizon doesn't have the resources (read $$$$$) to deploy FIOS to all these places. They are just using this to their advantage to get better rates while they work on the places where they already have franchises.
mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
·Verizon FIOS
·VoicePulse


edit:
April 18th, @12:36PM

huh

So where in that article does it say Verizon is using this to change the law about picking only the most profitable areas? I don't see that anywhere. They would just rather negotiate agreements with the state instead of 100 different localities with 100 different groups of people each wanting something different on their own power trips.

I don't blame Verizon after reading this...

"After spending an average of 15 months in each of 45 communities to win approval to offer television service, Verizon Communications Inc. has had enough for now: The company says it will stop seeking new applications in Massachusetts until it finishes all pending projects."

FIFTEEN MONTHS on average negotiating with a bunch of useless old fat cable commission members on a power trip would be enough to drive anyone crazy. Its a stupid cable franchise! Congress passes a national budget faster than that.

People on here are always comparing the US to other countries. Verizon is working 7 days a week to install fiber optic lines capable of greatly increasing bandwidth for customers, and they get nothing but bad press here with people wanting to slow things down / keep them slow with miles of red tape. Makes no sense to me.

Verizon saved me from having to pay Comcrap $68 a month for HSI only service. I am paying $50 for much faster and more reliable service.

The anti-business bias on this website is really becoming pathetic.

jslik
That just happened
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Re: huh

said by mglunt See Profile :

FIFTEEN MONTHS on average negotiating with a bunch of useless old fat cable commission members on a power trip would be enough to drive anyone crazy.
The question is why is it taking 15 months on average...it's not all government's fault. Providers all over have been known to make an initial contact about a franchise, and then the city doesn't hear from them for months after.

said by mglunt See Profile :

The anti-business bias on this website is really becoming pathetic.
I notice you ignore that Verzion THEMSELVES said that local franchising wasn't "holding them back".
Ahrenl

join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS


edit:
April 18th, @01:14PM

I noticed you only read the top of the first page:

Last year, after conversations with Verizon officials, the Northborough Board of Selectmen asked the state to speed cable television licensing and sought an application from Verizon. The company never applied, and told town administrator Barry Brenner that it was putting Northborough and several other municipalities on hold

"This course of events is very disappointing and frustrating since Verizon asked the town to initiate the licensing process, and the town responded very positively and promptly to Verizon," town administrator Barry Brenner wrote in a February memo to the Board of Selectmen.
- Town of Northboro

Saugus and Fairhaven also asked the state to expedite the licensing process and invited Verizon in, but were told that they are not included in the company's current buildout plans, according to William Solomon , a municipal attorney who has advised the towns.

"The big picture is, it is not the towns holding it up; it's Verizon that has real decisions to make about where it wants to send its funds," Solomon said. "That's fine, that's understandable -- but don't pretend -- don't tell lobbyists and regulators and others that it's the cities and towns that are holding this up, because nothing could be further from the truth."
- Town of Fairhaven

Finally, Verizon has been granted franchises in 45 different communities in Mass. Yet in CA where they have a state franchise agreement...
In California, where Verizon received its first state-issued video franchise in March, the company published a list of 45 communities where it plans to bring service.
Verizon is building as fast as they can, and they've reached the point where they don't NEED more franchises (22 still pending) in Mass for awhile. I'm quite sure I could fast track franchises in North Andover, Lawrence, and Methuen for them right now if they wanted.. but they don't.

How many towns do they have a fully operational network but can't get a franchise in? Since they (Verizon) didn't mention that, I'd have to say it's not very many.

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supertech315

join:2006-03-01
Perris, CA
Amen brother
dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN

More government = less innovation

Gee, could it be that having to negotiate with every town separately and succumb to expensive and sometimes unreasonable provisions might actually be hindering deployment? Ya think?

It's really better to deploy to nobody if it can't be everybody, including areas in which there would be little demand?

The next time there's whining about how the US is supposedly behind in broadband deployment and the current lack of interest by providers in FTTH services, I wonder how many of you will actually come the the conclusion that perhaps onerous government restriction on a privately funded and operated network buildout is perhaps not the best way to promote competition and innovation.

Those who side with municipal franchising are no friend of consumers who stand to benefit from new services and competition.

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bigjimc

join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
·Verizon FIOS


edit:
April 18th, @12:24PM

They are doing this

I work in Duxbury MA which is old. Myles Standish is buried in a cemetery next to my office. The copper is old. The people in this town are old and wont give up their rotary dial telephones. (Probably lease the phones for $30 a month too [joke]).

The system cannot handle afternoon volume and much of the time the fast busy signal is all you get when you try to dial out.

The upgrade to FIOS and capacity of this system was scheduled for Fall06/Winter07 but was put on indefinite hold as told by a Verizon Supervisor. The reason I was given was the new Governor.

They can dangle the carrot but they will get sued when a person picks up the phone and dials 911 only to get all circuits busy.

I am getting FIOS TV at the end of the month (April) so I am ordering the FIOS Internet/Phone now to get the install complete.
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ewm0826

join:2000-05-23
Raynham, MA

Re: They are doing this

said by The reason I was given was the new Governor.[/BQUOTE :

What the hell does Gov. Coupe Deval have to do with FIOS? I'm no fan of his, but WTF?
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bigjimc

join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA

Re: They are doing this

I don't know. I guess he rolled back plans to issue a full state license and they are PO'd
tlcbob

join:2001-07-11
Harrisburg, PA
·Vonage

Verizon working for us.

Sounds as though Verizon is working for us. Boot the politicians and their tax-greedy agendas! Here in PA we voted via referendum to cap property tax increases, and didn't Rendell and his cronies vote to overrule the people! About 5.75% when the cap was ~ 3.5%.

Next the feds are being lobbied by the States and Local gov'ts to repeal the tax moratorium on broadband! Hold your wallets!!

Grrr!

Equal access and no tax, baby!
mglunt

join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
·Verizon FIOS
·VoicePulse

Re: Verizon working for us.

said by tlcbob See Profile :

Sounds as though Verizon is working for us. Boot the politicians and their tax-greedy agendas! Here in PA we voted via referendum to cap property tax increases, and didn't Rendell and his cronies vote to overrule the people! About 5.75% when the cap was ~ 3.5%.

Next the feds are being lobbied by the States and Local gov'ts to repeal the tax moratorium on broadband! Hold your wallets!!

Grrr!

Equal access and no tax, baby!
Rendell is a Democrat... that's what Democrats do. Never met a problem that a tax increase couldn't fix. (Psst. Don't tell anyone that tax revenues are up big time since the Bush tax cuts)

brooklynman4

join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY

Re: Verizon working for us.

That article has cherry picking all over it.
datwell1

join:2002-01-08
Falls Church, VA

Skip MA - More for VA!!

Great! Just skip "Taxachusetts" and send more deployment resources to Virginia! Fine by me! Verizon's TV offering needs some work, but their internet service is to die for, IMHO.

Just my two cents.

--Doug
nozzer

join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA

Re: Skip MA - More for VA!!

Yawn. Last time I looked MA was ranked 36th out of 50 states in its per capita tax burden. And we rank 3rd in net income per head. The moniker just doesn't stick anymore.

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD

Good Business Move

Why is it wrong for Verizon to deploy service to only those areas from which it would derive the most profit?
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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

Update in Long Island, NY?

Can someone tell me what towns are currently being worked on for the Long Island, NY region?

Where is progress currently being made to deploy new towns/central offices in 2007?

Also, when will Verizon give customers a $90 triple play plan with VOIP comparable to cablevision?

Part of the carrot needs to be comparable BOTTOM LINE PRICES FOR CUSTOMERS.. there is still hurdles such as taxes, surcharges, UN-FEES, franchise fees, equipment rentals, higher than average DVR's etc. What does it matter if Verizon gets 100% their way in franchise negotiations if their price is Higher than a cable company?

Let's not forget the customer, we write the checks and have the final vote or veto on subscribing to service.
majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY

Re: Update in Long Island, NY?

I know I just was able to order fios internet here in lindenhurst about a week or two ago.

They have to have prices that compete with cablevision .No matter what people say cablevision is the cablecompany that can compete the best with verizon .

So verizon has to compete price wise to get new customers.

wdoa

join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA
·Verizon Online DSL

Operation Cherry Pick: Mission Accomplished

Now that Verizon is done cherry picking what in large part amounts to the higher income municipalities in Massachusetts they are going to call it a day. Not really surprising.
We need a private/public partnership to bring broadband internet access to the entire state, not just the Volvo/Lexus towns like Verizon has done. And for you folks who believe the free market always knows right, it doesn't. Free marketism left to it's on devices will always screw over much of the population.

fios fan1

@verizon.net

Re: Operation Cherry Pick: Mission Accomplished

said by wdoa See Profile :

Now that Verizon is done cherry picking what in large part amounts to the higher income municipalities in Massachusetts they are going to call it a day. Not really surprising.
We need a private/public partnership to bring broadband internet access to the entire state, not just the Volvo/Lexus towns like Verizon has done.
Since when are Dorchester, Lynn, New Bedford, and Framingham Volvo/Lexus towns. The reason some neightborhoods of Boston are harder to deploy with fiber is because it is buried wires under city streets that the city/town won't let them dig up
ewm0826

join:2000-05-23
Raynham, MA

We need a private/public partnership to bring broadband internet access to the entire state, not just the Volvo/Lexus towns like Verizon has done.
I've been saying this for years. The local cities and towns should own the cables and lease bandwidth to providers. It's more complicated than can be explained here, but we already have public power systems that are profitable, I see no reason why broadband cables should be any different.
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Ed
DarkSly

join:2004-12-10
Danvers, MA

Taking my Ball and Going Home.

Will Massachusetts be the next New England State that Verizon Pawns off onto Fair Point Communications?

Verizon has a history of "Taking their Ball and Going Home" if they don't get their way. They Did it in Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont.

They also did in New Jersey for a time before the State Legislature Caved and sold out Comcast (a company that has been going about their business within the laws in place; working with the Municipalities, while Verizon feels they are "Special" and can go over the heads of local government.)

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Rob A
Jets AFC East Champs
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Pompton Plains, NJ

Bring me fiber!

Waiting patiently for fios for a long time now, hoping it gets here soon!
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY

Sir Charge TWC commercial?

Anyone see the Time Warner [VOIP] commercial with Mr. Verizon Sir Charge?

Funniest thing going! I almost peed my pants (well, not really)!

Certainly brings a new dimension to carrot and stick!
»www.qgazette.com/news/2007/0411/···e_12.pdf

heyabbott

@verizon.net

Re: Sir Charge TWC commercial?

What is the charges after 3 months??? Funny when you read the fine print. Looks like they too have HIDDEN charges. "After your first 3 months of DP service at $19.95/mo., you will automatically be billed at regular retail rates. DP monthly rate does not include, and additional charges apply for International Calls, Directory Assistance, Operator Services, non-standard installations, or taxes and fees."

sourthemilk

@verizon.net

Re: Sir Charge TWC commercial?

Yes, I'd have to agree it's an initial offer.. but one MUST admit that OVERALL VOIP services, are a better value proposition that POTS from DAY ONE no matter WHO provides it. (There is a price advantage of at least $10-15 per month of POTS to even the most EXPENSIVE VOIP service feature by feature comparison) Everyone needs to do their homework when it comes to comparing the bottom line price. Not to mention if TWC DP turns out to be crap (everyone entitled to their opinion), you an always cancel.

I'm sure TWC doesn't want to nickel and dime you to death for installation, and they MUST disclose their regular DP rates including taxes/fees. Number portability is another thing they charge for (just like cablevision ~$40). But all-in-all an unlimited calling plan with the scope of phone features is a better value than POTS any day of the week.(where your lucky to get free touchtone service let alone more than 3 features) Gone are the days where Verizon can claim 100% uptime or QOS in their COPPER network (setting aside the self-powered feature of copper argument). They recently got sanctioned by the NYS PSC for neglecting maintenance/repair resources for the copper network.. wasting money in fines that could have gone to the Fiber Deployment budget. Public Utility commissions have their own carrot/stick.

In the next few years small power consumption devices such as cell phones, cordless phones, and portable media devices (eventually laptops) will be able to harness background radiation from the airwaves, making this argument for POTS over copper MOOT.

One thing everyone can agree on: a $6 fcc line charge for a regular plain old telephone line is way out of line. What do you actually get for the $6? NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. USF Fund? Nothing (unless you are POOR, or live really rural in an area which could not get phone service or system upgrades, or are a school/library who cries poor). The list goes on.. and Verizon takes their 'cut' as well, in the form of surcharges, which isn't really the bulk of the bill, but still.. consumers really need to be educated about their OPTIONS. This is not a promotion of TWC DP, alone, any VOIP provider can give reasonable quality VOIP service, you just need broadband to carry the data.

batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL

Re: Sir Charge TWC commercial?

said by sourthemilk :

Yes, I'd have to agree it's an initial offer.. but one MUST admit that OVERALL VOIP services, are a better value proposition that POTS from DAY ONE no matter WHO provides it.
I don't admit that at all.

PS Boston

@verizon.net

Verizon

Time Warner is a wolf in sheep's clothing. They are not here in my MA home, but in my NH locale, they have a monopoly in the town and are charging OUTRAGEOUS rates.
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