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Some truth included in this post.
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Hurley, MS | Clarification? I'm assuming that's $60 per user per year and not $60 per year... | |
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MattE
Obama '08
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Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Clarification? said by brandon  :I'm assuming that's $60 per user per year and not $60 per year... Yes, as evidenced by the singular "your".
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brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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Hurley, MS
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| Re: Clarification? said by MattE :said by brandon :I'm assuming that's $60 per user per year and not $60 per year... Yes, as evidenced by the singular "your". And you're assuming "your" is singular...why?
In context, your is plural until the clarification of $60 per user per year is inserted.
Example: "John, I'm giving you your car back." - your = singular
"Class, I'm giving you your test back." - your = plural
Edit: And the clarification was inserted, for the record, and it reads much better. In fact, the dollar amount was changed, too... | |
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ph03n1x
join:2003-02-15
Sanford, FL | I Think I'm Okay With This... ... as long as it's done in aggregate and remains anonymous. | |
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join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA | Re: I Think I'm Okay With This... Same here. But if they are making that much of my use, I will like to see at least 2 bucks per month out of those 5 they are making credited on my bill. | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | I am not. The default policy should be privacy. | |
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ph03n1x
join:2003-02-15
Sanford, FL | Re: I Think I'm Okay With This... As long as the data is aggregated, it should no longer contain any personally identifiable information. Only "W # of people browsed to X url at Y time of day or Z number of times". Of course, there's no guarantee that it's done in this manner. | |
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peter_m
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Canada, QC
| Re: I Think I'm Okay With This... I think we should be left out by default and opt-in by request in exchange for something... maybe a free service, a free router/firewall or a credit against the service fee...
Why should they be allowed to collect data on me, without my consent and then make money from it? | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Re: I Think I'm Okay With This... My guess is we probably do opt in when we sign their Draconian EULA.  | |
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ph03n1x
join:2003-02-15
Sanford, FL
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: I Think I'm Okay With This... said by Maxo :My guess is we probably do opt in when we sign their Draconian EULA. More than likely so. | |
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ph03n1x
join:2003-02-15
Sanford, FL | Re: Hmmm... The Internet is for porn! | |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL | Re: Hmmm... ...And Geeks Created the Internet so Geeks could get Virtual XXX! | |
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join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR | AMEN brother. There is so much pron watched on my PC at home that it should be growing hair by now. | |
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'Boarrrd
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join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
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| Re: Hmmm... That's sad, and sickening, especially the fact you not only admit it freely, you boast about it
Now don't take my statement the wrong way, I'm sure you're a great guy, and a very good person, I just am saddened by all the porn out there. | |
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join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | Re: Hmmm... yup, it's cheap. | |
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join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | Re: Hmmm... put down your d*ck... | |
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free44life
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join:2004-12-25
Ann Arbor, MI
| Re: Big Brother is Your ISP It's been fairly obvious for a while now that Google tracks user searches and has some questionable retention/classification policies...
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peter_m
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Canada, QC | Re: Big Brother is Your ISP Just delete your cookies! | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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| Re: Big Brother is Your ISP I would guess Google does more than just cookies. Most folks who have a router hooked to their cable modem (not sure about DSL) keep the same IP for months and months. I'll bet Google leverages this fact in an attempt to track you even if you delete your cookies. | |
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join:2003-12-05
Mesquite, TX | Re: Big Brother is Your ISP mooching off the unsuspecting neighbors to get your self-satisfaction? For shame. | |
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
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Barberton, OH
| Re: Big Brother is Your ISP said by vinnie97 :mooching off the unsuspecting neighbors to get your self-satisfaction? For shame. Thats nothing friend has a beta card (pre n) that is acctually 4 wifi cards in one nice compact usb houseing. It has a special software bundle that auto bridges any connections it finds in range. We too his laptop to local hot spot for open wifi aps. Conected to 4 diffrent ones had had well 2x roadrunner turbo (10mb cons 1 up)1 normal road runner cooking along at 6mb down 512 up and one of the better dsl packages at 5 down .75 up. Did a couple test downloads and got fairly insane speeds where it normally says like 500KB is said 1868KB.
It really ment for large corps wich is how they are marketing it. This way if you need to go to another floor and loose a ap conection you are still conected to one or more likely with crappy connection but enough to not screw up a big transfer then pick up another one.
Id say if we ever see full blown muni wifi it will be damn popular for that. Drive around and your friend spouse or kids are playing their fave online game.
Mostly off topic but well isps selling data and google etc tracking you heh. When your spread out over 3 or 4 ips heh kind of screws things up for em dont it 
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major marco
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clubs: | Money-hungry, privacy violating bastards I don't know about anyone else, but I usually prefer to kissed first before I get f*cked.  | |
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masterwolfe
Resident Redneck
join:2001-03-07
Hiawassee, GA
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| Check this out ETC (local phone company here) got my gf's name wrong when they signed her up, badly wrong, such as Lisa instead of Mary, and that is not her middle name or any sort of alias she uses. Within a week of her signing up, she was getting tons of junk snail mail addressed to Lisa... so when we moved into a house together, and I opened an account with them, I asked them to use just my first initial, and sure enough... I get tons of junk mail addressed to me by that name. And the lady I spoke with SWORE they don't sell or give out such info. Bull-CRAP they don't.
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peter_m
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Canada, QC | Re: Check this out Scary that they would lie to you flat out! Must have some local laws that protect you from this? | |
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masterwolfe
Resident Redneck
join:2001-03-07
Hiawassee, GA
·Windstream
| Re: Check this out The CSR might not even be aware... who knows? Shortly thereafter, I canceled my account with them, since they also lied about a supposed upgrade in my area, which never happened.
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peter_m
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Canada, QC | Re: Check this out You are right, the CSR might not be the problem and she might have been told to answer that way. As a corporation, they still lied to you. | |
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odinb
join:2001-11-26
Frisco, TX
| SBC (now AT&T) does a similar thing. As soon as your phone is active (same day or day after), the "please donate to this or that" starts coming in massively. I had to shut off the ringer to stop it, I was getting 2-3 calls per day after a couple of weeks....
I never gave out that number to anyone, since my main line is a VOIP line, and the SBC-one was just to get a discount on the DSL. The rep clearly stated that they did not sell my number when I asked, yeah, sure...
Now I do not even connect a phone to the AT&T line anymore, so they can call all they want.
This has never happened to me on any of my VOIP-lines...
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David
Last man standing
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join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
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| Re: Check this out Well I hate to kind of burst your bubble, and the only reason why I am bursting it is on something that you may or may not know.
Two things you need to know.
1.) I have worked for a telemarketing company for a short amount of time in my life. Yea it was 1996 if memory serves, only worked there about 3 months max. It didn't pay worth a crap, and I am just not that good of a salesman. It was one of those things "Ok I tried it once in my life, not going to do it again." type of deals.
2.) Been working for at&t for about 7 years.
So I can qualify myself for both sides of the fence.
When you buy a new phone number or a land line with any traditional telephone company, or ILEC. It's been long known that most phone companies, including CLEC's, have always published a directory. Since way before ma bell was ever broken up they published a white pages and a yellow pages. I think the yellow pages came later (I will have to look this up when I have a spare hour). The white pages printed in public everyone's name and phone number. Now something you didn't know. There's a directory out there called the "haynes Criss-cross directory" (»www.haines.com/index.html). Basically this is one of many companies that takes a local directory and compiles it with other local directories, basically for marketing purposes. They sell disks and such to load inside of auto dialers and such for telemarketers. Now you probably ask how do they get the local numbers? Shockingly enough they pay for them! It's public information so why not? They even pay more money for more recent ones. I have heard that some people even got paid to send companies such as these those books.
Now I know this is going to be shocking and I thought about it for a few years and thought there was nothing I could do. Till one day at a gas station I talked to someone who was annoyed as I was. The guy across from me and him said "Get an unlisted number, solved my problem!"
Now I kind of thought $1.60 a month was nothing much so I gave it a shot. Switched the number and the new one was unlisted. Sure enough, my calls I got in 1998-1999 were virtually nil. I couldn't count the number of sales calls I got on one hand. The other thing it did was when people dialed your old number, they didn't get your new one. You had to give it out. Opposed to the switch telling you that the number has been changed and here it is.
Now why is VoIP exclusive? Well last time I checked a VoIP company don't provide phone books, like a traditional ILEC/CLEC does. I think the ILEC is required to provide a free White pages and the yellow pages are paid by local companies in your area. I don't think VoIP is required to do this. If they are ever required to I would expect this telemarketing tide to change and not for the better. Plus there is probably nothing in your EULA that says they can't sell those numbers at any point in time. Cell phones got excluded by the FCC because people pay for minutes for calls received and made. VoIP, while I like it and even assist customers with it on occasion, will probably break down and do it after a while. I don't think people with VoIP pay per call sent and received least the vonage ads don't say it on tv. So if vonage was desperate for cash they could publish their lists, there's nothing that says they can't. Even then the national do not call list might apply, or might not.
Morale of the story: Your phone number that is of an ILEC base or land line belongs to an ILEC/CLEC and typically is required to be published (I honestly think it is either a courtesy or a requirement). You can probably defeat this on 3 fronts.
1.) national do not call lists
2.) state level do not call lists
3.) unlisted number.
The last sales person that called me on my home phone here was about 6 months ago. Only reason he knew our number was we gave it out at a home improvement show in STL. So do I consider all three of those a success. Well I am not answering my phone much less hear it ring every day of the week. More of my wife's friends call than anything.
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08 |  This sickens me
And I don't get any money out of it just a high priced ISP. | |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Lets see it I want to see some of this data. If its ACTUALLY done in aggregate and anonymous numbers, then its actually better than the hands on ankles probing you get with every google search. | |
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Michieru
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | Re: Lets see it LOL you think any company and especially those in marketing (bullshitters in a suit) will actually say "Here is the data".
My friend....good luck on that.
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join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| Should Be Easy to Fix Data is useless if it can't be discerned from noise; so just give them a lot of noise. I think some sort of spider that slowly, but faithfully just follows links all day long. It wouldn't take long for any value to this information to be diluted to worthless.
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T1 Rocky
join:2002-11-15
Dallas, TX
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| Re: Should Be Easy to Fix I've worked in the ISP business since 1998 (non ILECs) and noone has ever come to me and asked to buy information. But then again, I've never worked for a telco. I think your going to find that if this is real it was only for the cable and telcos ISP's. And $5 per user? Something smells very fishy. Who is going to be nuts enough to buy it for $5 per user per month? That's just crazy. Then how are they going to tie it to you? How often does anyone use their ISP's mail box these days? There's too much in this story that doesn't add up. I question the credibility of this story.
PS Bill Gates is tracking a new post tracking software and if you post after this post then he will send all of us $5. | |
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heathcpe
join:2002-03-19
Brandon, MS | Intelectual Property Maybe we should all send DCMA notices to our ISPs for violating our IP rights. I believe we own the copyrights associated with our clickstreams or browsing history. Maybe I'll publish it in a book. | |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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Mission Viejo, CA
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| Re: Intelectual Property said by heathcpe :Maybe we should all send DCMA notices to our ISPs for violating our IP rights. I believe we own the copyrights associated with our clickstreams or browsing history. Maybe I'll publish it in a book. Hmmm, copyright on clickstream. I think you're onto something.
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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clubs: | PAOGA PAOGA For those who DO mind who is in control of their clickstream data. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ | Doubleclick And Cox
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| Re: Doubleclick hmm never got anyspam from doubleclick i still get viagra once in a bluemoon and sometimes a blank email with absolutely nothing in it
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join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA | Re: Doubleclick what????? comcast try to make money on me????? nahhhhhh! it'll never happen. | |
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coxengr
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join:2002-03-09
Atlanta, GA | Raking in the money..... $5/month/user? Come on, that doesn't even pass the sanity check. So let's take Comcast as an example. 11.5mil customers. That would be almost $700mil per year! No way. | |
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Which ISPs Sell Your Browsing Data?
