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State legislators drunk from promises of lower TV prices
(old news - 11:11AM Friday Mar 23 2007)
tags: dsl · coverage · Op/Ed · legislation · Politics
While phone company lobbyists couldn't sell "franchise reform" on the federal level via Ted Stevens, they've had great success convincing state legislators (and the press and public) that stripping towns and cities of their regulatory authority will result in faster deployment of broadband and lower TV prices. While their lobbyists promise lawmakers cheap cable, the baby bells' primary goal is the elimination of build-out requirements, allowing them to maximize ROI by deploying services only to the most profitable neighborhoods. Phone companies get the added perk of avoiding locally mandated community improvements.

Here's perhaps a shocking newsflash: both phone and cable companies have absolutely no interest in lowering prices. In early markets now seeing both cable and telco competition, we've actually seen TV prices rise. And not just cable. U-Verse prices have risen twice since launch, and Verizon has raised FiOS TV prices by 7.6% since launch. AT&T execs have publicly stated they are interested in non-price competition. We'll also note that many of these bills being passed strip localities of rate regulation and all other consumer protection authority. Price reduction through less accountability? It's just not likely.

That brings us to the other promise by telco lobbyists: faster and broader deployment with the elimination of local authority. Faster? Verizon execs in moments of unscripted candor have publicly stated that the existing franchise system has not hindered deployment of FiOS. They've been happily signing franchises and getting FiOSTV deployed at an astounding rate. AT&T? They've simply decided to ignore local franchises and sue anyone who challenges them. The only thing slowing down AT&T IPTV deployment is AT&T (and perhaps muddy Microsoft code).

So does franchise reform mean increased deployment? Actually it means just the opposite, since most of the bills we've read eliminate build out requirements. If our country's goal really is universal coverage, does the elimination of build-out requirements really make sense? It certainly makes sense to phone company accountants and industry investors -- but does it make sense for consumers? For rural Americans? How about Americans in low-income neighborhoods? These lawmakers serve them as well, correct?

Missouri is the latest state to pass such laws, making it the twelfth state to institute telco-desired reform. A similar push is underway in several other states, including Iowa (Qwest) and Illinois (AT&T). Geneva, Illinois city IT director Peter Collins (who we recently interviewed concerning his fight against AT&T) offers us a link to his testimony (pdf) before the state. Collins takes issue with the telco suggestion (quickly becoming conventional wisdom in all the giggly press coverage we've seen) that local communities are greed-driven roadblocks on the road to broadband nirvana.

What's perhaps most disturbing in the phone companies campaign to convince the public that local franchises are the devil, is their use of supposedly pro-consumer groups to support their push. In a press release last week avidly supporting telco franchise reform, a number of seemingly "pro-consumer groups" praised the phone company vision. The National Association for the Deaf proclaimed "It matters a lot that broadband networks and their new interactive applications are widely available everywhere in America."

Curious about this enthusiasm, we contacted NAD to inform them that their support for telco "franchise reform" could potentially harm their constituents by limiting deployment, not increasing it. Frank Bowe, NAD's Governmental Affairs Consultant stuck by the company's position, and we're still waiting for a response from the organization's CEO. Page 34 of their 2004 annual report (the most recent available) lists Verizon & SBC (AT&T) as significant donors, and a telecom primer on their website was co-written by Verizon.

The demonization of the local franchise system has been a multi-year, sophisticated public relations effort aimed at passing laws that will kill build-out requirements, eliminate local accountability, and create a one-stop-shopping lobbying point for the nation's largest phone companies. The push is aimed at saving these companies money, and nothing else. The bills we've read offer no benefits to consumers. Don't drink the phone company lobbyist Kool-Aid that suggests killing local authority will result in broadband utopia, increased deployment, and lower prices -- because you are going to be disappointed.

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jjoshua
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Cherrypicking plus USF?

So the phone co wants to cherry pick and then they will expect the USF to pay them to build out the less desirable areas?

Did I get that right?

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Re: Cherrypicking plus USF?

Wasn't it supposed to be representation by population... not representation by taxation? Of course that's in theory... not practice.

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said by jjoshua See Profile :

So the phone co wants to cherry pick and then they will expect the USF to pay them to build out the less desirable areas?

Did I get that right?
No, or not exactly. The phone companies expect the USF to pay them to build out phone service in less desirable areas. All of this has to do with the difference between being the monopoly incumbent and being the new competitor.

Phone service: Phone companies, as the ILECs, are heavily regulated. Cable phone service via VoIP is very lightly regulated (per the FCC), and allowed to cherry-pick.

TV service: Cable companies, as the incumbent franchised monopolies, are regulated, though somewhat lighter than phone companies since cable TV is seen as more of a luxury than phones. Phone companies, seeing their landline business slipping away to cable companies, want light regulation and the ability to cherry-pick.

Of course, it's all more complicated than that since the phone service and TV service (and Internet service) goes over the same physical infrastructure in many of these cases, particularly once the telcos upgrade an area.

I also never quite understand the editorial position on the USF. It appears to be for some kind of nebulous "reform" without specifying it. Somehow the current system is bad, but abandoning efforts to subsidize rural service would also be bad, and expanding the USF to affect new services is also bad. I'd be very interested in concrete suggestions as to the proper reform. I think that the FCC suggestions for competitive bidding for the local phone service USF-subsidized service are interesting, and possibly make more sense than the current system, where subsidies to at least some locales seem to be too high. (See the free long distance and free conference call businesses that rely for their profits on the regulated termination rates being too high.)
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said by jjoshua See Profile :

So the phone co wants to cherry pick and then they will expect the USF to pay them to build out the less desirable areas?

Did I get that right?
This is why municipal broadband, phone service, and TV is becoming ever more desirable.

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Re: Cherrypicking plus USF?

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said by jjoshua See Profile :

So the phone co wants to cherry pick and then they will expect the USF to pay them to build out the less desirable areas?

Did I get that right?
This is why municipal broadband, phone service, and TV is becoming ever more desirable.
True but if it ever really takes off large scale across the nation the telco's and Cable co's will move at breakneck speeds to kill it at the federal level.
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Sounds Good to Me

Sounds good to me. A commercial company shouldn't be forced to provide a luxury optional service to everyone, nor should they be required to fulfill such extortion tactics as building new community centers, planting trees, or any other non-pertinent local interest items. This is not a socialist state...yet. Allow the market to drive service deployments and costs.

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said by openbox9 See Profile :

Sounds good to me. A commercial company shouldn't be forced to provide a luxury optional service to everyone, nor should they be required to fulfill such extortion tactics as building new community centers, planting trees, or any other non-pertinent local interest items. This is not a socialist state...yet. Allow the market to drive service deployments and costs.
But the majority of supporters claiming wired TV (controlled by local pols) is a utility, and that everyone MUST have, and that must be price controlled are also supporters of a socialist state. They are against a government that provides a national defense, but they are for a government that decides what we can smoke and what we can eat and how we must educate our children and how we must provide sex education, etc. Socialism, nanny government, fascism - all part of the liberals great design for gracious living.
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Re: Sounds Good to Me

No, some of us believe in long-time conservative ideas like federalism - leaving national defense to the national government and leaving local right-of-way decisions to the local government.

"...Government closest to the people is more responsive and accountable."

-George W. Bush
openbox9

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Re: Sounds Good to Me

I won't dispute the need for local government to take care of the people,but I will argue the ability of local government to extort corporate entities beyond standard corporate taxation. Why aren't McDonalds' franchisees required to pay local governments in a fashion similar to CATV and phone providers?

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Re: Sounds Good to Me

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Why aren't McDonalds' franchisees required to pay local governments in a fashion similar to CATV and phone providers?
Because the McDonald's franchises are built on private property, unlike the CATV and phone providers.
That would also be why satellite television is not required to pay local governments.

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said by openbox9 See Profile :

I won't dispute the need for local government to take care of the people,but I will argue the ability of local government to extort corporate entities beyond standard corporate taxation. Why aren't McDonalds' franchisees required to pay local governments in a fashion similar to CATV and phone providers?
Requiring build-out, access channels, or I-Nets isn't extortion. All those requirements are specifically allowed under federal law, which the telcos/cable folks have signed off on several times in the past. The telcos lack of foresight regarding the marketplace shouldn't be blamed on local government.

McDonald's isn't locating their facilities on public land, so they don't have to pay rent to the city, which the franchise fee truly is.
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Re: Sounds Good to Me

I guess I've miscommunicated my point. I don't have a problem with businesses franchising (leasing) the ability to provide service to a community. My intention was not to argue paying for ROW use. My point is that is where the business' obligation to the community should end. Businesses lease access to the ROW and then provide services as they deem appropriate.

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said by openbox9 See Profile :

My point is that is where the business' obligation to the community should end. Businesses lease access to the ROW and then provide services as they deem appropriate.
I understand, and that's certainly a point worth arguing. My position is that providing those community communication enhancements above ROW lease/fees benefits everybody, including the provider.
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Socialism? Um, no, federalism. The point is, you aren't a real conservative, you are a capitalist pig. To you, the only good law, is a law that benefits the corporation. To the rest of us, we prefer the government to act in the best interest of the people. You know, living, breathing things that make us human.
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Re: Sounds Good to Me

Not that it's relative, but you're right, I'm not a hardcore conservative...I never claimed to be And no, there are plenty of good laws that benefit more than just the "megacorps". I do believe government should act in the best interest of all of its citizens...both corporate and otherwise. There is a comfortable middle ground, it just needs to be found.
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Re: Sounds Good to Me

said by openbox9 See Profile :

Not that it's relative, but you're right, I'm not a hardcore conservative...I never claimed to be And no, there are plenty of good laws that benefit more than just the "megacorps". I do believe government should act in the best interest of all of its citizens...both corporate and otherwise. There is a comfortable middle ground, it just needs to be found.
There is no middle ground with the corporate state.
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Re: Sounds Good to Me

It's not a corporate state. Where did you pull that from?
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said by karlmarx See Profile :

Socialism? Um, no, federalism. The point is, you aren't a real conservative, you are a capitalist pig. To you, the only good law, is a law that benefits the corporation. To the rest of us, we prefer the government to act in the best interest of the people. You know, living, breathing things that make us human.
Sounds like more whining from the communist pinkos on the left that want America to live in a Big Brother state! When I saw that Hilary 1984 the zombies sitting in the crowd remind me exactly of communist liberals; mindless and stupid.

Like I have said before, anybody who thinks like a communist liberal is a complete mentally retarded moron that is incapable of rational thought. When I see a liberal, I see someone in the special ed class that does nothing but drool, cry, shit and piss themselves. Communist Liberalism is basically an admission of inferiority, a class of sub-human retards that is as annoying as that crap that grows in your eye lashes when you wake up in the morning. That is also why the communist left supports Islamic terrorism. When communists see Muslims they see the same characteristics as themselves; Evil, oppressive, mindless little monsters! The only good communist is a dead one!
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Re: Sounds Good to Me

Can you please go away? you have absolutely nothing to add of value or anything factual for that matter.

haha i laugh at your big brother comment. If anyone wants to have a big brother state, it's your lovely, patriotic hero George W. Bush. It's the media (TV, radio, ink) that wants to control us and the way we think. Looks like they already have a foothold on your soul...
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said by karlmarx See Profile :

Socialism? Um, no, federalism. The point is, you aren't a real conservative, you are a capitalist pig. To you, the only good law, is a law that benefits the corporation. To the rest of us, we prefer the government to act in the best interest of the people. You know, living, breathing things that make us human.
I hate to tell you part of your flaw.. but, um, you know those living, breathing things you talk about? They too own businesses and are part of those corrupt corporations. What YOU are being is an extremest.. you're so far one sided that you forget that we the people own those businesses.

All I'm telling you is not to forget that.. I know that corporations are corrupting government, more so - the parties, but we're all in the same society. Don't empower business and corporations with the notion they are in some different league.

It's the person that is greedy, not the corporation or business... after all, we are all in this world for ourselves.. not the greater good.
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Fascism isn't a liberal idea... Its a convervative, right wing ideology. Nice try though.

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Re: Sounds Good to Me

said by GetItRightDude :

Fascism isn't a liberal idea... Its a convervative, right wing ideology. Nice try though.
Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie
Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology.
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Re: Sounds Good to Me

said by DaveNJ See Profile :

said by GetItRightDude :

Fascism isn't a liberal idea... Its a convervative, right wing ideology. Nice try though.
Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie
Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology.
Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart..

»thesaurus.reference.com/search?r···=Fascism

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Re: Sounds Good to Me

said by Ahrenl See Profile :

said by DaveNJ See Profile :

said by GetItRightDude :

Fascism isn't a liberal idea... Its a convervative, right wing ideology. Nice try though.
Then why do some many liberals do it ? ie
Speech codes at colleges, Political correctness ? loss of private property laws ? Sorry wrong Facism is a liberal socialist ideology.
Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart..

»thesaurus.reference.com/search?r···=Fascism
Because you are incapable of reading 3 or 4 sentences, if you re-read what i wrote. Why do liberals do it so much, if its not in there ideology ? Liberals today seem to be using it over and over. So without a academic answer. Why are liberals being facist ? Its supposed to not be liberal ?
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Re: Sounds Good to Me

said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Because you are incapable of reading 3 or 4 sentences, if you re-read what i wrote. Why do liberals do it so much, if its not in there ideology ? Liberals today seem to be using it over and over. So without a academic answer. Why are liberals being facist ? Its supposed to not be liberal ?
I'll be honest I did not read most of this thread but a definition is in order.

Fascism is when government and business work hand in glove. An example is the New Jersey automobile insurance laws. We are forced to buy high price insurance with all of the bells and whistles buy the government. This money goes to a business that makes huge profits on the money the government foresees to pay. That is fascism.

Just for the record that was put in place by a Homosexual, Democratic Governing.
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Just for the record that was put in place by a Homosexual, Democratic Governing.
.. those damn homosexuals.. they're ruining the world!!! It's all the fault of the homosexual!

Don't be a dick!
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

those damn homosexuals.. they're ruining the world!!! It's all the fault of the homosexual!

Don't be a dick!
So if you read homosexual you think of dick. Don't get me wrong, its OK to be gay.
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no... but your post was really way off course.. and stupid.

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said by fiberguy See Profile :

no... but your post was really way off course.. and stupid.
Thank you. You are the undisputed master of stupid. How long ago did The Telephone Company show you the door?

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said by Ahrenl See Profile :

Laugh, actually Fascism and Socialism are Antonym's.. WTG,F. I bet you feel real smart..

»thesaurus.reference.com/search?r···=Fascism
Actually they are not. The most well known fascist society was NAZI Germany.

National Socialist German Workers' Party
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

More:
»www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4950532.html
»rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
»ask.yahoo.com/20050920.html
fascism contains elements of both "left and right ideology"
»www.promethea.org/Misc_Compositi···ism.html
The difference between fascism and socialism is a fine point in practice. In intent they may differ, but in practice both tend toward consolidation of political power. Socialism typically favors central ownership to a greater degree (in the extreme of communism, all appreciable property is centralized) while fascism emphasizes state control over exchanges more than state control over property itself. With different emphasis, both are based on forced intervention with the individual human acts of creation and voluntary exchange, making creation and exchange involuntary.

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Companies wanting to compete SHOULD play on a level playing field. We have the Level Playing Field Statute in IL. I am all for competition, but not when one certain Telco wants preferential treatment to deploy - and only will serve the customers they deem worthy of their video service. Competition for some, but not all?

I also don't believe the munis need to be stripped of any local control. The system isn't broken here, and Verizon is deploying fiber and providing video after entering into local franchise agreements. Does anyone really want AT&T to have the power of eminent domain in their community? They can place a huge Lightspeed box in your yard if they deem it necessary, and there won't be a thing anyone can do about it at the local level if this horrendous legislation is passed in IL.

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Ahrenl

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I have issue with your use of the word "forced".

These companies aren't being forced to do anything. They're being offered the chance to provide service and build highly profitable assets on public ROW's in exchange for building out their network to communities that may not have a desirable adoption rate.

Much like if you want to build a house in said community you must abide by the permitting structure, electrical, waste disposal, and fire codes.

Frankly they'd still be better off if they built their own networks and allowed the private entities to compete to provide service on it, instead of inviting a previously abusive monopoly into their back yards.

Get some nice MBIA wrapped revenue bonds, and sell them into the hugely liquid Muni market with a 3.00% yield.

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said by openbox9 See Profile :

Extortion tactics as building new community centers, planting trees, or any other non-pertinent local interest items.
Care to provide proof for that? AT&T was unable to provide proof when Congress asked them to and retracted their statements.

The state level franchises are about more than "optional services". Basic cable is one of the two primary routes for the emergency alert services. Both the Iowa and Missouri bills expressly forbid requirements to carry emergency alerts. Why? Because phone companies do not have emergency alert interconnects in place already and they are expensive to build.

Besides that, basic cable and institutional cable is used for distance education by many colleges and community colleges. The state level bills are scrapping institutional cable completely and severely restricting educational basic cable (especially facilities support, which is completely eliminated in almost every case).

The last factor of basic cable beyond a "luxury" is remote viewing of government meetings. Try telling the senior and disabled community that they should just show up to meetings if they are that interested. These state franchises are also restriction funding and channel access for government channels. The Missouri bill authorizes cable companies to remove these channels from basic cable completely.
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people got want they wanted

All people did here was whin, no competition. But instead of lobbying for a level playing field. They wanted on lop sided version against them. Why doesnt the cable co, use USF for expansion as well ? People were easily fooled into believing all the mistruths. Telco will always be about the same costs as cable. There is no way around it, the costs of installation etc. I want local control back, in fact i want the same laws appling to telcos that are applied to cable. One being the answer the phone in 3 rings or less. Hello Verizon ?
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Forget cable

Over the Air is still free. And it's not like you get much with cable besides a bunch more channels with mostly garbage.

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Price competition? More likely value competition

»www.govtech.net/digitalcommuniti···id=99464

I just want to remind everyone about some past things said by AT&T.

When AT&T executives briefed analysts about the project in November 2004, they emphasized how Lightspeed would be built to "high-value" customers -- households that spend $160 to $200 a month for telephone, Internet and entertainment services.
Do you fall in that category? Maybe we need to take a poll here.

There likely will be little price competition between AT+T and cable TV. There likely will be a value competition between them. And in our materialistic society with everybody wanting the latest and greatest stuff, the price will not come down because the value will always be perceived as going up. What? AT+T has a new feature? What Cable now has the same feature? Ding! They both bump up their prices because the value of the product is now higher.

The only time I expect to see some price competition is in the initial offering of the product to customers. Hook them with a low price and feed them the drugsproduct that they are addicted to. Once they're addicted, they'll probably get used to paying those prices and never look back because the product is so much better now.

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The history of the cable world.........................

First, the cable companies requested utility status in 1974 so they could gain access to easements and have access to subsidies just like the telcos. As a mater of fact the Bells were positioned to enter the cable tv business if this happened. This was rejected and the cable co's went to the cities with what became the current franchise process so they could access public property (easements) to place cable. Cable was regulated to a business and not a utility and the bells moved on. TV was not considered a lifeline service.

Second, the cable companies then built into areas with no competition that had a 50% to 70% penetration potential (TCI had an overall penetration of 56%). 30% was needed for payback. They were forced to build in lower density areas through the franchise agreements but were granted the right to recover the installation costs through an added hardship fee charged to the customer.

Third, now the market has an incumbent provider in the cable company so the prospect of a competitor gaining the %30 penetration needed for payback is much harder to justify. The franchises granted back in the beginning doesn't reflect market reality that exists today. That means its time to change them and that is what all this maneuvering is all about.

Fourth, why would an potential competitor consider service in boogerville usa when he could do a solo franchise for industrialgrowthville usa. Industrialgrowthville isn't going to protect or provide services to any city outside their own and with good reason. A state franchise could be used to insure that boogerville is covered at some point down the road if handled right.

Food for thought

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Re: The history of the cable world.........................

said by wstwrdho See Profile :

A state franchise could be used to insure that boogerville is covered at some point down the road if handled right.
That is one of the major problems. Not the state level franchise concept itself, but how the state level franchises are being handled.
Look at the Iowa law: mandatory buildout only for unserved incorporated areas with no other provider with 250 households per 4000 fiber feet within 4000 feet of existing facilities, and the rules only apply to providers with 500,000 or more access lines (there are 1.2 million households in the state) and 50%+ penetration in the incorporated area.
And the state board has no enforcement powers. The law explicitly states that the buildout clause can only be enforced by the courts.
(This is better than Missouri which has no mandatory buildout at all and forbids any state or municipal entity from creating a mandatory buildout requirement of any level.)
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Cherry picking vs nada

Does anyone actually believe that requiring Telcos to do a community-wide buildout will result in them offering IPTV to *more* subscribers than if they could pick and choose?

IMO they would just walk away and nobody gets IPTV in that community. At least with statewide franchises they will offer it in profitable areas, and as time goes by and costs go down, the definition of a profitable area will change to include more and more places.

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Re: Cherry picking vs nada

said by RJ44 See Profile :

At least with statewide franchises they will offer it in profitable areas, and as time goes by and costs go down, the definition of a profitable area will change to include more and more places.
Costs do not go down over time in television retransmission land. With the advant of broadcast retransmission consent, the marginal costs should escalate dramatically over the next six years. There will be fewer profitable areas rather than more. We would need to get rid of syndex if we want the costs of television retransmission to go down.
If you look at the cable and television factbooks over time, coverage has gone up considerably since mandatory buildout ordinances started happening.
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Re: Cherry picking vs nada

said by marigolds See Profile :

[Costs do not go down over time in television retransmission land. With the advant of broadcast retransmission consent, the marginal costs should escalate dramatically over the next six years.
I was referring to the costs of fiber optic transmission equipment, DSLAMs, routers, etc used by telcos to provide IPTV, all of which is steadily trending downwards and will continue to do so. That's the investment a telco has to foot to get into the business. Programming costs are applicable to anyone who wants to provide programming, not something that the telcos have to pay that incumbents don't.

Either way, my original question still stands. Does anyone think a telco is more likely to serve a community if they have to build out in unprofitable areas as well as profitable? If so I have a great deal on some prime land in the Everglades I can tell you all about

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Oklahoma drank the Kool-Aid.

Or you could say they fed us the special peanut butter.

Or that we've been eating the Cuts 'n Gravy pet food.

None of this is a surprise, sadly. What is a surprise is the number of people who not only fall for it, but actually champion or defend the ILEC's for it.

So how many years are we going to have to hear the "It's the Geography" or the "Population Density" excuses while the USA falls behind? /sigh
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Golly...

Gee - it almost sounds like the phone company is in business to make money!
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So you put your trtust in lawyers.

The Central Office I am served from is in Netcong a town of less than 1 square mile. The Netcong CO serves people in 4 towns and two counties. The way Verizon deploys FIOS is by CO not town.

Why should I have to wait for Verizon go get approval from 4 towns and two counties before I get FIOS?

Keep up the self-serving-pork and the US of A will fall farther in network capacity. Until the government can regulate return on investment, as they did for 100 years, they should not regulate services what must be provided.