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xerxes3642
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| OK so here is the scenerio then,
I get a of a pirated copy of publisher. I use this copy and become proficient. I'm hired by a company looking to use a layout program. Since I already know it, I suggest publisher over pages or indesign, and the company (who has more money than me) buys several legal copies. Pirates make the working world go round? | |
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Winnipeg, MB | Re: OK so here is the Exactly why my employers signed on for licenses for Adobe InDesign - we had Publisher, and after I had used a pirated copy of InDesign for a year to try it out, we switched on my advice. Just goes to show... | |
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| Re: OK so here is the Examples like this happen all the time. As a teenager, and with limited funds, it's common to pirate a lot of stuff. OS/Utils/Apps you name it.... However later on as a "Computer Guy" or "Tech" it's common to help out businesses who then buy a bunch of licenses of various utilities and applications that same "Computer Guy" recommends.
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Orange, CA | Re: OK so here is the Exactly....thats my story. | |
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thender
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| said by KrK  :Examples like this happen all the time. As a teenager, and with limited funds, it's common to pirate a lot of stuff. OS/Utils/Apps you name it.... However later on as a "Computer Guy" or "Tech" it's common to help out businesses who then buy a bunch of licenses of various utilities and applications that same "Computer Guy" recommends. The amount of studios that switch from protools because of assistant engineers/interns that became proficient in Nuendo on their home systems never ceases to amaze me. Something tells me young unpaid interns that are computer literate grab H2O's copy off of usenet opposed to paying 2.7K for the software + plugins though.
Linux is free. Tons of linux software is free. Yet people still take the effort to grab, and distribute warezed copies of windows. If I'm a microsoft executive, isn't this a good thing? It means my competition is a joke. If people are downloading my software by the gallon and not paying for it, when there are free alternatives that millions of people are working on, and I _STILL_ make a sick profit.. I must be doing something right.
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| said by xerxes3642 :scenerio then, I get a of a pirated copy of publisher. I use this copy and become proficient. I'm hired by a company looking to use a layout program. Since I already know it, I suggest publisher over pages or indesign, and the company (who has more money than me) buys several legal copies. Pirates make the working world go round?
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| Piracy will never end It goes to show how much of a losing battle to stop piracy is. MPAA, RIAA - they've been trying without much success. | |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
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| Re: Piracy will never end said by Boricua65 :It goes to show how much of a losing battle to stop piracy is. MPAA, RIAA - they've been trying without much success. I think you're comparing apples to oranges.
Pirating software is much different than pirating music. Software is a different medium and used much differently. Mixed with updates that verify validity and service packs that do the same pirating software doesn't pay off as much as music.
I had a pirated copy of XP just like everyone else. I got tired of work arounds and crap to get it to update after SP2 and simply went out and bought it. I did the same with a pirated copy of FrontPage. I've done it with other software.
I've never, EVER, bought an album after I pirated the music. There's no point. It's already there. It's not going to change. There isn't going to be updates and other things to make pirating it not worth it.
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| Re: Piracy will never end I get your point, but it can work the other way around too. When my daughter just turned two my wife and I started looking into what the new kids programming was. We downloaded a bunch of SpongeBob. We had the seen the products at stores. We now own Seasons one through three as well as some toys and clothes. Viacom definitely made a profit off of that deal. | |
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TechieZero
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| Re: Piracy will never end said by Maxo :I get your point, but it can work the other way around too. When my daughter just turned two my wife and I started looking into what the new kids programming was. We downloaded a bunch of SpongeBob. We had the seen the products at stores. We now own Seasons one through three as well as some toys and clothes. Viacom definitely made a profit off of that deal. Why d/l this? Its on TV every day on 3 channels multiple times. One word TiVo.  | |
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| Re: Piracy will never end said by Maxo :I don't have cable. I had it for less than a year but it wasn't worth it. Wow you watch TV off of local airwaves? Ppl still do that?  | |
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| said by TechieZero :Why d/l this? Its on TV every day on 3 channels multiple times. One word TiVo. You don't even need a Tivo. Turn on Nickelodeon at any time of the day or night and odds are good you'll be catching an episode of Sponge Bob. I think I've seen every episode of Sponge Bob ever made just from walking through the room when the kids were watching it.
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| I disagree - I for one listen to music I've downloaded without paying for, and went and bought it. 30 sec demo on iTunes, or whatever isn't enough. I need to hear the whole song before I lay out my money. I admit, not 100% of them that I have liked, I bought, but the ones I liked a lot, I did buy, and would have NEVER bought if I hadn't had the chance to try before I buy. | |
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roc5955
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| What about downloading music that is not available in any format any more. Such is my case, there is a lot of music that simply flopped. Once the first release of the CD came out, they never even went for a second run. For example, George Harrison's Live in Tokyo album is great, but it was out of print for years. I wanted it, but couldn't find it, except for pirated MP3s out on the net, which I downloaded. Once I found out that it was back in print, I bought it right away.
Yes, pirating software is different than pirating music, but both have their own separate virtues. The person who cannot afford Photoshop (yes, I know about The Gimp, and use it) might decide to 'borrow' a copy from a friend or colleague to become proficient at the software. One can almost justify this.
You know, back in the old days, when software came on stone tablets, companies like Microsoft and Lotus, and Adobe would give away tons of their software, even though it was copy protected. Yes, there were ways around the copy protection, but wtf, if you can get it legit for free at PC Expo or something, carry on! These companies know that by allowing geeks like you and me to have these illegal copies of software, we become proficient at their software, and more often than not, get a job where the employer buys it and uses it. I'll bet that at least half of you out there have a pirated copy of some software.
And back in the old days when we had records that were made of beeswax, that would melt in the sun, Decca, Columbia, and a lot of big music publishers would give away copies of their recordings. Not so much today though.
Personally, I believe that, sadly, greed has taken over. Software, and music companies want to squeeze every penny out of their products. They claim that they are losing money, but wouldn't be if their executives would be less greedy.
May the Gods help me for agreeing with Maxo on this one. | |
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| Re: Piracy will never end said by roc5955 :May the Gods help me for agreeing with Maxo on this one. That is the only unforgivable sin of course. But, you were damned a while ago so carry on. | |
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| said by roc5955 :Personally, I believe that, sadly, greed has taken over. Software, and music companies want to squeeze every penny out of their products. They claim that they are losing money, but wouldn't be if their executives would be less greedy. When you say ...if their executives would be less greedy... do you mean that executive pay causes them to lose money or the executive's strategy of greed leads to disgruntled customers and more piracy?
Regarding pay, although executives are highly compensated, I doubt Bill and Steve's salary and stock options significantly raise the software prices.
Regarding greed, this article explains why executives must be greedy.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._F···_Company | |
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roc5955
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| Re: Piracy will never end said by rradina :When you say ...if their executives would be less greedy... do you mean that executive pay causes them to lose money or the executive's strategy of greed leads to disgruntled customers and more piracy? Regarding greed, this article explains why executives must be greedy. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._F···_Company First of all, give me a break, the article you cited is from almost a century ago. Corporations are MUCH more greedy these days than they were.
When I speak of greed, I mean that everyone wants everything. They are not willing to settle for a piece of the pie, they want the whole darn thing.
And yes, executives' large compensation, be it stock options, salary, or platinum parachutes, causes there to be less profits, because this compensation has to be paid for from what should be profits. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: Piracy will never end Are you kidding me? You think corporations are more greedy today? I suppose unions formed because corporations of yesterday were so nice. | |
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roc5955
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| Re: Piracy will never end Okay, maybe corporations were pretty greedy in the past, and that led to the rise of labor unions, but since Reagan, unions have been on the decline, and corporate greed has risen. I wasn't alive a hundred years ago. I can just speak for how it was in my lifetime, and what was historically reported.
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why Reagan was so popular on this. He busted the Air Traffic Controller union, and started to deregulate corporations. In modern times, Reagan was the number one president to call for more corporate greed, and as a result of this, corporations are greedier than they have ever been in my lifetime. | |
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| Consumers are just as greedy. *Taking big breath*
It's never our fault. We're quick to sue when anything goes wrong. We must be told in bold red letters that the coffee is not just hot but EXTREMELY hot. And if it's not hot we bitch and even sue if it makes us sick. We contaminate our own food with human body parts or rodents on the demented hope that we might get rich. Oh and hair dryers and bathtubs, someone combined them and now we have hieroglyphics on the cord that suggest it's a really bad idea unless we intend suicide. And dammit, if we don't get cheap gas, cheap milk, cheap Chinese crap at Wal Mart, free software, free music and the God-given right to make a backup copies of our DVDs, there must be a conspiracy!
Bottom line, people are greedy assholes regardless of whether they are on the producer or consumer side of the fence. It's universal in that it drives consumerism and terrorism although the latter has nothing to do with business and everything to do with a few dudes with really small dicks who compensate by using big guns to oppress everyone so they can bread generational hate and declare themselves king of the shit hole all in the name of an extreme interpretation of God.
In general, we really suck at getting along. If America didn't enjoy such prosperity, we'd all shoot each other at the local water hole. Instead we just bitch because our Bit Torrent neighbor makes our streaming HD porn video jitter at the wrong time and we have to rewind and play the cum shot again. | |
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roc5955
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Rosendale, NY | Re: Piracy will never end I have to agree with you there rradina.
People are waaaaaaay too greedy these days. | |
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Yauch
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| I've never bought an album I've downloaded either, but I have been introduced to new bands through the piracy of my friends, and in turn, bought the rest of their albums. In my most extreme case, I received a pirated copy of my favorite bands second album. Since then I've bought the rest of their collection (3 albums), two t-shirts, one DVD, and have driven as far as half way across the country to seem them live the six times. They lost the royalties of one album. They gained ~$400 from the $15 they lost to me in the beginning. | |
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| said by Wills :I've never, EVER, bought an album after I pirated the music. There's no point. It's already there. It's not going to change. There isn't going to be updates and other things to make pirating it not worth it. It's not apples to oranges, it's the same concept. Notwithstanding yourself, everyone who downloads is not a thief who has no intention whatsoever of ever paying a nickel for any music. Case in point. What about the people who only found the download in the first place because they couldn't find the tunes anywhere else because it was taken out of print? After downloading the tunes, they then decide they like the band enough go in search of the music that IS in print.
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| said by Wills :said by Boricua65 :It goes to show how much of a losing battle to stop piracy is. MPAA, RIAA - they've been trying without much success. I've never, EVER, bought an album after I pirated the music. There's no point. It's already there. It's not going to change. There isn't going to be updates and other things to make pirating it not worth it. All my CDs, except older music... As I knew how it sounded already, was "pirated" by me first to see if there where more than a few songs worth a damn on the whole disc. Then I bought the better quality retail disc. The original disc still sounds better than a ripped high bit rate MP3. I want quality sound, not garbage. The only way I see a pirated disc can match the sound of the original disc is by making an image of the original, and burning it to CDR. However, nobody uploads 700+ MBs of CD Audio data for one audio disc. | |
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| said by Wills :said by Boricua65 :It goes to show how much of a losing battle to stop piracy is. MPAA, RIAA - they've been trying without much success. I think you're comparing apples to oranges. Pirating software is much different than pirating music. Software is a different medium and used much differently. Mixed with updates that verify validity and service packs that do the same pirating software doesn't pay off as much as music. I had a pirated copy of XP just like everyone else. I got tired of work arounds and crap to get it to update after SP2 and simply went out and bought it. I did the same with a pirated copy of FrontPage. I've done it with other software. I've never, EVER, bought an album after I pirated the music. There's no point. It's already there. It's not going to change. There isn't going to be updates and other things to make pirating it not worth it. Oh brother, where to begin. Pirating is pirating. I don't see how there is any difference between software and music. The "mediums" aren't different, they are all zeros and ones. Software costs more per "file" if you will than a song file does so I would think pirating software is more damaging. Regardless, next point.
You mentioned you could not upgrade your pirated copy of Windows XP to Service Pack 2 status. Well, your not a very good pirate, or you don't look hard enough. The latest version of everything is out there. I don't think pirates actually worry about updates, they most likely download the latest version of the program from wherever not long after the program is released.
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| nothing new here... all this statement by microsoft does is illuminate what has been the inside baseball within software companies... if it wasn't for pirating, as much as i hate to say it, most software wouldn't get the kind of eyeball demographics that these companies seek... all microsoft is doing now is lifting the veil on what software companies have always secretly promoted, but never admitted... at least it's out in the open and people can deal with it... | |
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| Re: Copy Protection said by MxxCon :It begs the question of how annoying WGA would be if they were 100% committed to stopping piracy. Think StarForce  or people on dial-up be forced on line 24/7 | |
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inteller
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Tulsa, OK | Piracy is why Microsoft is dominate today It all started with pirating windows 3.1. | |
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russotto
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Collegeville, PA | Yar! A lot of the vehemence of Microsoft's anti-pirate stance is probably due to Bill Gates's personal position -- he's hated pirates and piracy since Altair BASIC or even earlier. | |
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inteller
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Yar! Bill gates hates pirates because he is the original pirate. He ripped off CP/M to make MS-DOS. | |
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| Re: Yar! "... and thus we have a guilt transferrence complex in an attempt to further legitimize his success."
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iEvolution
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Ogden, UT | Well they made one sale from me.. I decided to go legit with Windows XP Professional after getting annoyed with always having to find a new crack to get updates from Windows Update. I don't regret not buying it. | |
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| The key... The Key to getting the software that is needed, is knowing how to get it cheap. What if I told you that Vista could be had for $85 (this is home premium, no real need for ultimate) or how about Office 2007 (Enterprise ed.) for 85 also. Hard to believe but it can be done. One thing I learned being an IT Manager is that you don't have to pay retail for anything, even if it's for one copy (or license). Another good example, is I used to get Windows 2003 Server (Enterprise Ed.) with 25 CALS for less than 600 versus what some online retailers were asking for, which was $2000 or more for the same version with only 5 CALS. The key is that you have to be patient, informed consumer when it comes to products like this. Nothing more, nothing less. | |
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26 | Re: The key... Lol what cbrain said. | |
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Titus Pullo
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| Cry us a river, MS Does anyone really think that MS can't come up with something better than WGA? If the answer is no, then MS is far worse than anyone knows, and buying their software is completely ridiculous. If yes, then there's your answer: they're only putting up speed bumps because they know damn well (as this article points out) that they NEED pirating to survive. Pirates make their world go round. The trouble is, their stuff is getting to the point in quality where it's not worth the time and effort to pirate (and you'll need a new box to run it), and the prices are to the point where upgrading is way beyond worth it -- hence new releases that may as well accompany a new computer purchase only. Me thinks they've boxed themselves into a corner of their own making by pure complacency -- the one thing Gates said would never happen at MS, but the very thing they repeat over and over. Pretty soon someone out there in Redmond is going to have to put away the Apple copier and make something original, because MS seems to think innovation is looking around to see what sells, doing a copy and paste with a repackage, and turning the end result over to marketing to sell it. We get WoW! as the result.
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| Re: Cry us a river, MS I think they may want us to pirate their stuff so they can "catch" us and put the whole whole world in jail..LOL
Imagine, M$ sues EVERYONE! The whole world! Scary thing is, M$ would probably win...!
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xerxes3642
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His biggest victim...
Gary Kildall CP/M operating system | |
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RainWind
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| Yarr! Piracy definitely leads to sales and exposure. For games and applications. However, music is a different story. I don't think I've ever met a music pirate who went out and bought it. It doesn't bother me much since a musician's main source of income is live shows. Music piracy just hurts the middle man, which I don't have a lot of sympathy for because they aren't the ones with the creative talent and they're definitely charging too much for CDs. On-line subscriptions aren't bad tho. I'm happy with my cheap yahoo subscription. | |
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| Pathetic liar It's very contradictory of Bill Gates to have an executive of his company make this public statement when Gates himself stepped on every toe of everyone, lied, stole, and cheated his company all the way to the top to get to where his company is at.
your time will come Mr. Gates. OPEN SOURCE software is making it's way everywhere. | |
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| Re: Pathetic liar said by CLEVELTECH :It's very contradictory of Bill Gates to have an executive of his company make this public statement when Gates himself stepped on every toe of everyone, lied, stole, and cheated his company all the way to the top to get to where his company is at. your time will come Mr. Gates. OPEN SOURCE software is making it's way everywhere. Do I detect jealousy and envy?
There's nothing wrong with being successful. You must be a liberal. | |
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| Re: Pathetic liar said by pabster :said by CLEVELTECH :It's very contradictory of Bill Gates to have an executive of his company make this public statement when Gates himself stepped on every toe of everyone, lied, stole, and cheated his company all the way to the top to get to where his company is at. your time will come Mr. Gates. OPEN SOURCE software is making it's way everywhere. Do I detect jealousy and envy? There's nothing wrong with being successful. You must be a liberal. ...and only a conservative would equate "lying, stealing and cheating" with "being successful". | |
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| said by CLEVELTECH :Gates himself stepped on every toe of everyone, lied, stole, and cheated his company all the way to the top to get to where his company is at. your time will come Mr. Gates. Well, don't hold your breath. Gates has billions of his investment money outside of Microsoft stock. MS could go belly up and Gates and his heirs time isn't coming anytime soon.
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| Another alternative for M$ Maybe they could OpenSource ALL their software?
Why not? OpenSource alternatives to most of their products are out there, (OpenOffice, Gimp, etc) and they'll probably get improved and run much better and faster anyway...
I can just see Steve Ballmer banging his head against the wall on THAT one... LOL... | |
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