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join:2000-05-11 | Unless... ...there are weapons of mass deployment hidden in a bunker somewhere, we're only "well on the way" to more lip service from the Government regarding universal broadband.
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | Good news!!! Today is the 66th day of 2007!!
Only 299 days before affordable broadband is available to everyone!! | |
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Good news!!! hotdamn | |
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Old_Grouch
Don't just sit there silly DO something
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join:2004-05-26
Greenwood, IN
clubs: | Re: Unless... Keep in mind that "they" still define broadband as 200K. | |
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Rob is Pro
Carpe diem
join:2002-07-02
Birmingham, AL
| How much say does the council actually have? Sounds like a good plan. These are the sorts of pushes we need(sadly) to get advancements in broadband. I hope many more groups will either support or develop similar guidelines to this approach. Anyways, how much say does the FTTH council actually have? | |
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Skilos
join:2000-08-19
Astoria, NY | us vs them Its just a shame that people enjoy these speeds overseas now.
I wonder where they will be in 7 years in terms of speed when we are enjoying hopefully close to 100Mbps. | |
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Carpe diem
join:2002-07-02
Birmingham, AL
| Re: us vs them The developement of internet in such countries as korea will most likely slow down and move to other appliances (as is happening) such as cell phones. Now you have 1 gigabit connections for the PC, why not 1 Gbit for cell phones? Also such high speed connections would have trouble achieving full speed. | |
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Skilos
join:2000-08-19
Astoria, NY | Re: us vs them don't know about Korea, but japan is experiencing amazing growth with ftth and at sustainable speeds. | |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | 100 Mbs I just got wood | |
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XBL2009
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Chicago, IL | Obama 2008 It's ok...after Obama wins in 2008 we will see a great plan for 100mbps in the United States. No more dragging feet for the telecom, get it in gear or munifi will run you over. | |
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Tecklord
join:2001-01-27
Belleville, IL | Re: Obama 2008 Two problems with this.
#1 Hillary is going to be the 08 nominee.
#2 A Republican is going to win anyway. 
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Obama 2008 said by Tecklord  :Two problems with this. #1 Hillary is going to be the 08 nominee. #2 A Republican is going to win anyway. Cmon FIBER That's predicated on the premise that there's enough currently non-voting Hillary haters that would be so moved by their dislike as to actually go out just to vote against her.
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Chicago, IL
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| Re: Obama 2008 said by nixen :said by Tecklord :Two problems with this. #1 Hillary is going to be the 08 nominee. #2 A Republican is going to win anyway. Cmon FIBER That's predicated on the premise that there's enough currently non-voting Hillary haters that would be so moved by their dislike as to actually go out just to vote against her. -tom It would be suicide for the Democrats to nominate Hill the Pill for President. I hope and pray that Barack Obama is the next President since most of the others pretty much suck.
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | Re: Obama 2008 We probably should start asking what Rudy Giuliani's position on broadband is. | |
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| JSRoman
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Re: Brian "1 billion bps" Roberts is ready to meet the challenge "He added that with switched-video technology, cable can recapture as much as 80 analog channels, many of which could be used to provide even faster high-speed Internet service.
Roberts said that with DOCSIS 3.0 technology, cable operators can currently deliver speeds as high as 100 megabits per second using only four channels. Once the industry moves to 100% digital -- Comcast is currently at about 50% -- the possible speeds are almost unlimited.
“We’re now up to 50% digital. We will get to 80% digital and, someday, we will have 100% digital, and then we reclaim some, if not all, of those 80 analog channels,” he added. “If we, therefore, needed 1 billion bits per second, bidirectional into your house, we could do that.” "
Everything he said is true. What is your point?
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Re: Brian "1 billion bps" Roberts is ready to meet the challenge He is not claiming anything. He is saying what is possible. If I'm not mistaken he has said what will be possible when Docsis 3.0 is available in the past. Is Docsis 3.0 available? No, nothing has changed but even without Docsis 3.0 out some subs are able to get 16/2 without powerboost. Is it available to everybody? Nope, but neither are the masses asking for it today unless you consider the masses those that frequent BBR. Some cable companies even offer 30/5 without any heavy lifting.
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
1 edit | You are a bitter bitter person, aren't you?
Do you know ANYTHING about DOCSIS 3.0 which is in it's final stages? I doubt it.. but you keep on entertaining yourself attacking "Brian" as if you know him personally or you are old adversaries. 
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matt5
join:2001-10-06
Lagrangeville, NY | Does 100Mpbs matter? What does it matter, I have 10Mbps and most servers won't let me get full speed. If anything lets go with a plan aimed at upload, or lets play with unlimited meaning max speed 24/7 won't change anything. | |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD | Baby steps How about Verizon ups all their 15/2 FIOS users to 20/5 instead of just doing it in "select markets". (And likewise a bump for the other tiers.) | |
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decadent
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join:2002-04-02
Piscataway, NJ
| Do they ask for money? There are 192 million households in US. Using Verizon estimates 18 million households for $23 billion, so it will cost $245 billion to connect everyone or $222 billion of additional funds. It is not a small amount of money, they maybe better spent by Congress for something else. I think, consumers of these 100Mbps services should rather pay for that. Because, it is like putting interstate highway ramp to each house, it will be probably very convenient, but it is too expensive. | |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
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| Re: Do they ask for money? Let's see. We've spent over 400 BILLION for IRAQ the last 3 years, hmm.. 245 for the US to provide 100mb to everyone? Vs. the 1 TRILLION it will cost us to get out of Iraq? That's a no brainer
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join:2005-06-24 | Re: Do they ask for money? I think I'm going to have to answer C) None of the Above. | |
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Surfinusa
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Dominokat
"Hi"
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join:2002-08-06
Boothbay, ME
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2 edits | Now wait a minute... Wasn't there just a topic here that "there is a huge broadband problem in that there isn't enough capacity" even for the 4 to 20 or 30 meg speeds we have now? Upping speeds to 100meg will surely destroy internet as we know it.
(End sarcasm)
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richardpor
Fur it up
join:2003-04-19
Portland, OR
1 edit | OMG Corporate Astro-turf Should Broadband Reports be a little consistent. Just look at the COR PATE members at »www.ftthcouncil.org/?t=42.
If these member want to invest the billions it would cost I would gladly say knock yourselves out but not one government dollar should be spent on this.
Also with the growth of new technologies, 100Mbps will be expensive overkill. Major corporations have successfully done well with less. Not to mention improvement in broadband that uses existing copper like ATT | |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| Re: OMG Corporate Astro-turf said by richardpor :Should Broadband Reports be a little consistent. Just look at the COR PATE members at » www.ftthcouncil.org/?t=42. If these member want to invest the billions it would cost I would gladly say knock yourselves out but not one government dollar should be spent on this. You are right. The great majority of the FTTH Council are fiber hardware vendors, or fiber construction companies, engineering design companies, etc. There are a couple muni ISP's and that is it. They want the government to mandate something so that they can get to charge the taxpayers big bucks to help them make big profits.
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| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: OMG Corporate Astro-turf .... and we have a winner!! That was the first thing that caught my eye when I read this posting... it was 'look at who's calling for this..' those who have to gain.
Try to get the majority of people here to see that. All they hear is 100MB and they turn in to Pavlov's dog and drool.
I agree with richardpor.. not a single tax dollar on this. I'd rather see some people get health care who currently have no access to it, or help the homeless back into being a productive society member before any tax money goes to ensure that gamers have 100mb internet or cheapskates who want to save a buck on movies can download their (often pirated movies) faster.
Sorry, but priorities first.
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ShadezeRO
join:2006-04-24
Fort Lauderdale, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| Companies should do this on their own I'm all for motivating corporations to take initiative.
It's sad for us to rely on the government plans to motivate companies into selling a better product.
Nationwide broadband is a good idea, just not financially sound (just like the 100Mbps plan).
Also, I hate not having FiOS. =P | |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Re: Companies should do this on their own said by ShadezeRO :Nationwide broadband is a good idea, just not financially sound . So says you; how do you know?
In any case, it is U.S. Policy that everyone should have access to affordable broadband. Congress said so in the 1996 Telecommunications Act. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Companies should do this on their own AS it stands, I think everyone already has access to affordable broadband.. in fact it's already free. (And to those socialists, it's government paid for too! Whooopiee!!!)
It's called the library. No one said that internet had to be available in every home. It says that everyone should have "access to affordable"... and free is affordable and access is available to all.
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Re: Companies should do this on their own HA HA, but the library does not meet the definition of "broadband" in the Telecomm Act.
said by fiberguy :No one said that internet had to be available in every home. That's not true, which was the point of my post. The U.S. Congress said that the internet had to be available in every home that wants it, in a timely manner, affordably, and at high speed. It's Federal law. If the FCC does not do what is necessary to bring this about, they would be in violation of the law. Of course the FCC is claiming that they are in compliance, but many disagree. | |
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DoctorDoom
Troll hunter
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join:2006-09-19
Becket, MA
| And the Martians are coming! Words, words, words! FTTH is deployed only in areas where there is already broadband. Where there is no existing broadband access, there won't be FTTP—or any other type of broadband—in the lifetimes of the folks who live there.
We who don't live in Concreteland might as well be in Antarctica. Dialup or satellite will be all that's available for many people for decades to come.
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Falassion
join:2006-07-15
69031 | I'd settle for anything... I'd be glad to have any form of broadband, but sadly none available, I'd settle for 1Mpbs connection  | |
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DoctorDoom
Troll hunter
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join:2006-09-19
Becket, MA
| Re: I'd settle for anything... I spent $1100 (tough installation) for a HughesNet system, Pro w/PowerPack. Other than during peak hours, it's consistently 1 Mbps. It just went through the "solar outage" days without a hiccup. and I have yet to encounter weather that has interrupted it.
If you can afford it and have a clear line of sight, satellite is a viable option (and it beats the hell out of dialup). | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Re: I'd settle for anything... Yep, people always seem to forget about the broadband availability that's already there for a very large majority of our population. If people want broadband, it is available, they just need to be willing to pay for it. | |
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join:2005-01-05
North Jackson, OH
| Re: I'd settle for anything... Yes it is available, at 5 to 10 times the price, as those that live in higher pop areas. I'm still waiting for Wi-Max, or Wi-Fi, any wireless broadband really, since I'm in great doubt that ATT will ever light a DSL terminal that I can reach. FCC concessions be damned
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: I'd settle for anything... And the costs of living in rural vs urban areas have been rehashed numerous times in this forum. Rural citizens pay more for certain "luxuries" while urban citizens pay more for different "luxuries". People make different choices for different reasons and along with those choices comes varying costs. | |
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join:2005-01-05
North Jackson, OH
| Re: I'd settle for anything... The cost of urban vs rural living are negligible, at least where I live, hell I bet it actually costs me more to live where I do now than in the city. What ticks me off is that I'm not one house in the middle of no where, there is DSL and Cable all around me and new houses going up all the time.
I know it's my fault for not checking out the services before I built. I guess I am just in the small minority that thinks that in the 21st frigging century we would be more advanced.
Where is my flying car? 
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NyQuil Kid
8f The Nyquil Kid
join:2001-01-06
Brick, NJ | It's only a matter of time... before people will start claiming that FTTH is a constitutional right....
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: It's only a matter of time... said by NyQuil Kid :before people will start claiming that FTTH is a constitutional right.... [8F] The NyQuil Kid you must be new here... there are already people here doing that. :P | |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | 100mbit is a nice start wait till they get a hold of gbit | |
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join:2006-11-07
Austell, GA | Re: 100mbit is a nice start by 2015 japan will have multi 10gbit lines for like 35/USD | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: 100mbit is a nice start ... and they'll be stacking 20 people in a 10x10 room too. | |
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Techman21
join:2005-04-14
Richmond, VA
| And again, we want to throw the Constitution out the door... Since when did it become Congress' job to legislate that a company has to provide a service to every single person in the country and then make it cheap? We don't live in a socialist/dictatorship we live in a Democratic Republic. The reason we don't have crazy layouts like Korea and the like is that their countries are run much differently. Korea for instance is a Republic, but they handle government/business relationships much more differently than we do here. Many are closed door deals that in the present really limits them to whom they can have access with. Same thing with Taiwan. Even though both are some form of Democracy they are run totally different than our country where in which we thrive on Capitalism which is not as prevalent in those countries.
In short quit your complaining and just deal with what you have for now. Otherwise if you have the money get a T3 and just share it out amongst your neighbors. As much as I want higher speeds I am not going to force someone else to pay for it through taxes, which is what this would mean HIGHER taxes. You can't create all these programs and do all these "Social" things in this country without getting the money from somewhere and that always means either cutting from a current project or raising taxes. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| fantasy land vs realities on the "ground" so to speak.. If you look at the current deployment schedule of Verizon (the most ambitious fiber deployment of any US company) they are not on track to deliver 100% of copper overlay of FTTP by 2015 by a long shot. AT&T still has its head stuck in the sand about docsis 3.0's capabilities of 100+mbit. And as for the rest? I seriously doubt they have the capital to complete such an ambitious plan. Unless another CHINA pops out from Atlantis and agrees to make all our fiber equipment for free and deliver it for free, this won't happen any time soon. Add to this the difficulty of trusting telco/cablecos with money to do "the right thing" in deployment is more to do with FANTASY-LAND than realities on the ground so to speak.
In reality.. broadband access across the country is no more than 30-50% at BEST. And if your one of the unlucky ones outside coverage it 100% sucks for you. As for me, I already have 20mbit fiber.. so boost that to 100mbit (for about the same price)in a couple of years... or sooner? good. Another reality is, these companies want to be instant successes and have guaranteed return on investment, which again is fantasy land rearing its ugly head. Unless you have strict enforcement of the actual dollars for the dollars to utility pole fibers.. there is no way to ensure any subsidy would be spent properly-- might as well be dumping billions in Iraq.. no one knows where the money goes. No reciepts, no logs, no equipment, no track record. If the idea is to build scale of the internet up in aggregate backbone speeds, i'm all for that too.. what good is 100mbit for local connections, if by the time it passes 1500 miles your down to 40%, by the time it reaches 3,000 miles your down to 20% of your speed caps either uploading or downloading. | |
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