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Illinois homeowners group fights Metro-Fi install
(old news - 03:43PM Wednesday Feb 21 2007)
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An Illinois homeowners advocacy group named the Healthy Home Alliance has long fought cell tower construction. Now they're taking aim at a citywide Wi-Fi project being built by Metro-Fi, claiming health concerns but citing no substantive evidence. "To me, radiation is radiation," says the group's leader, Sue Storm. "There is enough evidence that this is dangerous and hazardous to our health if people know where to look for it," she says. Storm apparently runs an angel guidance consultation business in her free time.

The Healthy Home Alliance website is chock full of such evidence (2000-3000 studies!), including the claim that Sweden had to shut down their wireless broadband networks after local hospitals were flooded with calls from ill residents. Of course, that isn't actually true. In fact, the Daily Herald talked to a Swedish embassy rep to confirm that nothing like that ever actually happened.

The website also notes that "some parents and teachers are forcing schools to dismantle wireless computer networks amid fears that they are damaging the students health and welfare." We covered that story back in 2003, noting that the Illinois parents who sued their school to stop a Wi-Fi installation also had no scientific justification for their fears.

As we've noted, there's absolutely no scientific evidence that Wi-Fi signals are a health risk. That hasn't stopped a long list of people from waging war on Wi-Fi. It would interesting to know if these homeowners have cordless phones and baby monitors in their home or whether they avoid those as well. We stick by our suggestion that concerned parents should force their children to wear mobile Faraday cages, while the rest of us soak up the MIMO 802.11n goodness.

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insomniac84

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radiation is radiation?

I hope they are ready to block out the sun, turn off anything that makes visible light, stop using microwaves, tvs, anything electronic, etc. Hell, if radiation is radiation they might as well live in sealed lead boxes.

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Re: radiation is radiation?

ionizing vs non-ionizing.

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Re: radiation is radiation?

idiots vs reasonable people

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said by Mike See Profile :

ionizing vs non-ionizing.
Yup! I was gonna say the same thing, but you beat me to it. Bravo.

These cringers(ignorant 'fraidy cats) should pull their collective heads out of their collective asses and do some real research before they form committees and PACs and all that. Spreading FUD brings on all kinds of mean, nasty, ugly things.

Not that there's any thing wrong with being a cringer(ignorant 'fraidy cat).


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Visible light is ionizing; microwaves are non-ionizing. That's one point in favor of WiFi over the sun.
mlundin

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Re: radiation is radiation?

I'm with the homeowners association... block out the sun too. Darkness rocks.

F*cking morons.
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Check out www.theangellady.net

Perfect rebuttal: just direct anyone asking about this to: »www.theangellady.net

Who would take this nutcase's word for anything?

I'd like to add this to the discussion: if 1W Wi-Fi AP's, and 50W cell phone base stations are so dangerous, how come there's all these 3,000,000 W EIRP UHF TV stations operating all these decades, with no ill-effects?!

I guess the angels like watching Oprah so much, they protect us from the deadly TV rays(?)

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Re: Check out www.theangellady.net

Are you sure there are no ill effects. Maybe her insanity was caused by a UHF station. For that matter maybe we are all insane, besides I would be more worried about AM stations. Proximity to the antenna is much closer. Maybe she walked up and grabbed an AM tower when she was young.

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said by rfnut See Profile :

Maybe her insanity was caused by a UHF station.
My guess is good ole fashion crack rock. It works every time.

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Re: Check out www.theangellady.net

said by Maxo See Profile :

said by rfnut See Profile :

Maybe her insanity was caused by a UHF station.
My guess is good ole fashion crack rock. It works every time.
Nah it was Woodstock!!! Summer of love ftw!

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said by PDXPLT See Profile :

I'd like to add this to the discussion: if 1W Wi-Fi AP's, and 50W cell phone base stations are so dangerous, how come there's all these 3,000,000 W EIRP UHF TV stations operating all these decades, with no ill-effects?!
Many Consumer routers operate at 50mW, or 1/20th of a Watt

And it's basically overkill to use a whole watt on a wifi AP.
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You should see their website

said by »healthyhomealliance.com/ :

“These Wi-Fi transmitters function at 2.45 GHz, which is like being surrounded by a
microwave oven without walls or doors.”
This is like arguing that two 9V batteries are more dangerous than a 12V car battery.
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Re: radiation is radiation?

Oh, this site is tasty. These people should take a high school class in writing. They break so many rules.

Any device or system that emits radiation is hazardous to your health.
I hope these guys don't use flashlights.

Most scientists have concluded that radiation causes harm to humans on all levels: mental, emotional, and physical.
Most scientists don't study radiation, so this statement is false by default.

As scary as it seems, chronic exposure to Electromagnetic Radiation, will definitely harm your children.
Again, too inclusive. "Will definitely" is definitely poor word choice with the only intent of creating fear.

Monumental consequences to the city and its citizens could be caused by a virus being introduced into the system.
Easily the best line on the whole website.

This site should be used to help define FUD.
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Re: radiation is radiation?

If they have ever sat in front of a computer, TV, radio emitter of any type, then its too late for them.

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Re: radiation is radiation?

said by blueeyesm See Profile :

If they have ever sat in front of a computer, TV, radio emitter of any type, then its too late for them.
Or better yet....used a cell phone. Don't they know those things emit radiation? I bet most of these people have cell phones.

Maybe they use handsfree devices and put the cell phone in between their legs while driving or in their pockets when walking around. Radiation next to reproductive body parts may make them sterile which would help the gene pool out in the end.
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"These Wi-Fi transmitters function at 2.45 GHz, which is like being surrounded by a microwave without walls or doors."

So what's next? Getting rid of all 2.4ghz and 5.8ghz cordless phones?

What a bunch of lunatics. Stay home moms really need to find something to do besides complain.

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said by Maxo See Profile :

As scary as it seems, chronic exposure to Electromagnetic Radiation, will definitely harm your children.
Again, too inclusive. "Will definitely" is definitely poor word choice with the only intent of creating fear.
I thought I read somewhere that the human body generates its own electro magnetic radiation on a small level. Oh wait, lets not forget this planet is out to kill us all, it generates its own electromagnetic radiation...... FEAR EARTH, LEAVE EARTH, EARTH KILLS!!!

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It's more like comparing a hearing aid battery to a power plant.

1/4 of a watt, compared to 1200 watts. And just because a microwave has a box, doesn't mean they don't leak
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I also wonder how many of them have wireless phones at home. 2.4GHz is the most common if I'm not mistaken. The only people who have a valid excuse for making anti-wifi statements are amish,
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said by Tomek See Profile :

I also wonder how many of them have wireless phones at home. 2.4GHz is the most common if I'm not mistaken. The only people who have a valid excuse for making anti-wifi statements are amish,
And watching the news after the school shooting tradgedy, the amish were using laptops.
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said by PhoenixAZ See Profile :

said by Tomek See Profile :

I also wonder how many of them have wireless phones at home. 2.4GHz is the most common if I'm not mistaken. The only people who have a valid excuse for making anti-wifi statements are amish,
And watching the news after the school shooting tradgedy, the amish were using laptops.
Milk and Cream is a serious business, the amish from what ive heard are pretty modern in the barn(phones, computers and refrigeration), but maintain tradition in the home.
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said by Kearnstd See Profile :

said by PhoenixAZ See Profile :

said by Tomek See Profile :

I also wonder how many of them have wireless phones at home. 2.4GHz is the most common if I'm not mistaken. The only people who have a valid excuse for making anti-wifi statements are amish,
And watching the news after the school shooting tradgedy, the amish were using laptops.
Milk and Cream is a serious business, the amish from what ive heard are pretty modern in the barn(phones, computers and refrigeration), but maintain tradition in the home.
yeah, but they aren't afraid of the radiation coming from it
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said by Maxo See Profile :

You should see their website

said by »healthyhomealliance.com/ :

“These Wi-Fi transmitters function at 2.45 GHz, which is like being surrounded by a
microwave oven without walls or doors.”
This is like arguing that two 9V batteries are more dangerous than a 12V car battery.
Two nine volts ARE more dangerous than a 12 volt car battery. It's very hard to get your tongue across *both* terminals on the big car battery...

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Re: radiation is radiation?

It's not hard to lay a steel bar across a 12V car battery.

Edit: Grammar

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If you put your tongue across *both* terminals of a 9V, it won't kill you or do any real damage, AFAIK. Unless you jump back from the sharp tingle and fall or something!

It's amazing how well society runs given the constituents. Are people just innately this stupid, or is it poor schooling that makes them such an embarrassment to themselves? Or is it willful ignorance in furtherance of some other cause?
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Re: radiation is radiation?

A 9V has enough mA to kill you, your skin just is not the best conductor. At least one person has died from a 9V powered Ohm meter and prongs pierced under the skin
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9V can do a lot of harm to you. A 9V battery, or two, that would be purchased at a local drug store doesn't have enough amps to hurt you. On the other hand, a 12V car battery has enough to do some real damage. Hence my analogy.
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You'd have a lot more credibility if you weren't mixing voltage and current.

That infamous sailor stuck metal probes into his skin and evidently touched a nerve. Even a watch battery could cause damage under those highly specific conditions. He was reckless, idiotic and a Darwin Award candidate.

However, that has absolutely nothing to do with this story.
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Well, there are stun guns that run off standard 9V batteries too. And a 9V dropped off the empire state building is probably deadly once it hits street level as well...

chuckle...

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said by insomniac84 See Profile :

Hell, if radiation is radiation they might as well live in sealed lead boxes.
...errr... Lead Poisoning!!!! Geesh
What a bunch of Luddites!
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"To me, radiation is radiation"

I think that about sums up this lunatic's comprehension of physics. . .
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said by fireflier See Profile :

"To me, radiation is radiation"

"Ra-di-a-tion. Yes, indeed. You hear the most outrageous lies about it. Half-baked goggle-box do-gooders telling everybody it's bad for you. Pernicious nonsense! Everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year! They should have 'em too!"

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said by insomniac84 See Profile :

I hope they are ready to block out the sun, turn off anything that makes visible light, stop using microwaves, tvs, anything electronic, etc. Hell, if radiation is radiation they might as well live in sealed lead boxes.
You see that movie "The Others"? I'm sure the parents act the same way w/ their kids and the sun. They also probably use SPF 100 sunblock when their kids do have to go out.. lol

Anways, AM and FM, TV, Satellite, and other short wave signals are flying about.

I think they are just bored and want to waste peoples time.. I notice the USA has lots of that.
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We stick by our suggestion that concerned parents should force their children to wear mobile Faraday cages.
The Healthy Home Alliance needs to upgrade to the latest technology:

The mobile Faraday Suit

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Re: radiation is radiation?

Classic
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This site is so embarrassingly silly I actually thought it was a parody at first. They can't even stay on topic as to why they dont want it. It's well worth reading:
»healthyhomealliance.com/info.html

I particularly liked this ending bit of completely obvious FUD:

Is Wi-Fi dangerous?
YES! Any device or system that emits radiation is hazardous to your health.

I'm surprised they don't say wifi causes communism too!

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Re: radiation is radiation?

Lightbulbs emit radiation. Turn off those lights!!!!

I liked this tidbit too:

Teenagers are more at risk because their hormones are changing.
WiFi made my teen moody! Hey, can I tweak my router to affect adult hormones? You know, like my wife's?
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said by Jason Levine See Profile :

Hey, can I tweak my router to affect adult hormones? You know, like my wife's?
You will have to adjust to a higher RWIN. But your TTL will be shorter...
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They are probably in the cable co. pocket book, I would not be surprised.

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Jenny Vinson filed a $60 million lawsuit today against D-Link, Inc. alledging her husband's wi-fi network caused his brain cancer. The complaint alleges the "wi-fi" booster along with the router caused irreperable brain damage that lead to his death. She also claims the product contributed to bouts of schizophrenic behavior that doctors later determined was a brain tumor. Harold Vinson was a computer specialist for nearly 30 years before his untimely death.
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i could see being worried if the TV wanted to put their Doppler 4000 by your house but wifi is totally safe.
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Get a grip

Some people really surprise me... No scientific evidence, and they lied about a Swedish incident to get people on their side?

as Carlos Mancia would say:
DER-DER-DER!

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Re: Get a grip

i was with you until you mentioned Carlos Mencia

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I bet every member owns a cellphone. The irony is delicious.

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Naperville

It figures.
All the stay-at-home moms there really need to find something else to do besides shop and complain.

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The solution is simple...

The solution is simple...
Tinfoil hat.
Gezz these are probably the same nuts that don't immunize their kids.
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Tinfoil Helmet

I just wear my tinfoil helmet. That's right, a hat just isn't protection enough. It saves me from all of the cell phones, Wi-Fi, and the aliens who created them to destroy our brains!

It's their evil scheme. Every Wi-Fi router is actually an alien space ship!

Edit: Awww, Mactron beat me to it
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Re: Tinfoil Helmet

LOL

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said by EchoD See Profile :

I just wear my tinfoil helmet. That's right, a hat just isn't protection enough. It saves me from all of the cell phones, Wi-Fi, and the aliens who created them to destroy our brains!

It's their evil scheme. Every Wi-Fi router is actually an alien space ship!

Edit: Awww, Mactron beat me to it
Tinfoil hats enhance the signal!
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crazy people

Is there a feedback form on that site?

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said by La Luna See Profile :

Is there a feedback form on that site?
info@healthyhomealliance.com
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HOA BS

Homeowner associations generally act like this, no surprise there.

they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Yet they need to make a stink.

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Re: HOA BS

I already emailed them and asked them to stop spreading FUD.

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Stupid people shouldn't breed

It is scary enough that people like this exist, but what is even more frightening is they have offspring.

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That's why we are going to beam WiFi radiation into their homes... so they become infertile!

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said by soulcatch6 See Profile :

It is scary enough that people like this exist, but what is even more frightening is they have offspring.
What is even MORE scary is that many of their demands become LAW.
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Every single one of these parents......

.....needs to their tubes tied so they can't contaminate the world with more of their offspring.

Someone should show up to their meetings and show them that their cell phones put out more radiation than WiFi does.

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Re: Every single one of these parents......

said by moonpuppy See Profile :

.....needs to their tubes tied so they can't contaminate the world with more of their offspring.

Someone should show up to their meetings and show them that their cell phones put out more radiation than WiFi does.
Please, don't give them any ideas! Well, too late. Down the street from naperville, they ARE trying to stop a cell tower from being built.

»www.vil.lisle.il.us/docs/012207.pdf
Starts at page 4.
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Nutjob Parents

I am a system admin a public school system. This summer we are planning on setting up Wi-Fi in our High School and Junior High School media centers. If everything works out I would like to make the whole High School wireless as our budget allows. I want to give the ability to use the Internet to students with laptops. This will help with the shortage of computer lab space since some students can use their own laptops. The last thing I need is some nutjob parents suing us because our wireless is making Johnny stupid. I sleep with an access point 2 feet from my head and I have not had any ill effects.
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said by GlenQuagmire See Profile :

I sleep with an access point 2 feet from my head and I have not had any ill effects.
Amen, brother! Pipe that stuff right into your brain! (If only we could )

I recently added a second router to act as an AP in addition to my main router. Now I have excellent signal everywhere on my 2 acres! Oh no, I'm feeling-wait, that's the beer!
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said by GlenQuagmire See Profile :

I am a system admin a public school system.
I thought Megan's Law prevented that...

(Can't remember which episode you disclosed that in)
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anything under college schools, dont need laptops at school.

now if your talking teachers and such, thats one thing.

but students, thats nothing but trouble. stolen computers, and a whole slew of things only wait...

students shouldnt be aloud to have this sort of stuff on school grounds until college.
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said by kgeier82 See Profile :

(snip)students shouldnt be aloud to have this sort of stuff on school grounds until college.
It might help improve their spelling... too late for some, obviously...
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I like all the answers so far.

About what I expected here, especially with a title that does not appear to have anything to do with proven baby deaths. Just as bad as the garbage that I read on some of the links.

Scientific evidence: Most people here are too young to remember, much less were around, when Heroin was touted as the scientifically proven perfect miracle drug, cleanses the bowls, promotes clear skin, and a host of other benefits. And don't forget certain morning sickness pills like thalidomide, scientifically proven to be safe.....at one time. Just depends on how much money is involved.

Speaking of cell phones like some folks brought up, my co-worker's neuro-surgeon told her he has seen a rise in certain tumors in people who use cell phones a lot, and on the side they hold the phone to their head. Of course, all the big money says that ain't so, and there is a lot of paper published to prove it. Oh well, he is only a doctor out west in Hick Country, and maybe was just cutting in her head to make a few dollars.

But like Seth says, I wonder how many of those anti-wifiers use cell phones or wireless home phones. Heck, even a computer network switch, mine puts out enough hash at 15 feet to badly affect my two meter radio on several frequencies that I use.
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I just want to...

I just want to honestly ask each and every one of these Homeowners Ass. Members if they own CRTs, DirecTV or Dish equipment, fluorescent light bulbs/fixtures, cell phones, baby monitors, two-way radios, cordless phones, and Microwave ovens. When they all answer yes to most of the devices (which they would), I would kindly inform them that I will personally disassemble the city-wide wi-fi network myself as soon as they bring all of their above-mentioned devices to a community bonfire to be incinerated!

They want a radiation free environment? Let's give it to them!
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Re: I just want to...

Technically you can never have a radiation free environment. If all of the technology on earth was completely gone, actually if everything simply did not exist on earth we would still be bombarded with radiation.

Radiation is such a plain term. It is to broad. There is radiation everywhere all the time. Even in a lead box there is probably still some radiation left.

This whole thread makes no sense, why is it even being debated? Is this just to make fun of these people? They have there beliefs, let them be. Unfortunately they will not return the same favor, leave us be.

cwy1980
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Re: I just want to...

I agree...hate to say this but even with any sort of electronic equipment shutdown (which by the way doesn't subject you to ionizing radiation), you are still subjected to cosmic radiation, radon, and other naturally occuring sources of ionizing radiation.

Hope these same people don't use smoke detectors (contain Americium-241) or use old camping lanterns (mantles contain Thorium-90)

Laregely from natural sources and a little from man-made sources, we all still get around 300mrem/yr of exposure on average...

Me, I'm just going to wear my foil hat to keep the zoomies away...

Oh who am I kidding? I couldn't be posting this without my Linksys wireless router
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CConverse

join:2006-01-31
Syracuse, NY

Even if they get rid of all those devices, what will they do about the small proportion of radioactive isotopes that occur naturally in their body? Like the Carbon 13 (?) that is used for carbon dating after an organism dies?

Oh, right... they probably don't believe in that stuff because it contradicts "intelligent design" theory...
PeterCollins

join:2005-05-23
Geneva, IL

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Cutting-edge hospitals hooked to Wi-Fi support

»www.chicagotribune.com/technolog···heds-hed

I would guess wifi is ok, no?
hottboiinnc
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Re: Cutting-edge hospitals hooked to Wi-Fi support

Many doctors and hospitals are connected like that now. Very smart and useful system. The best part is no more waiting in the ER lobby to fill out paper work!

BIGMIKE
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Westminster, CA

Naturally-occurring "background" radiation exposure

We are exposed to radiation from natural sources all the time. The average person in the U.S. receives an effective dose of about 3 mSv per year from naturally occurring radioactive materials and cosmic radiation from outer space. These natural "background" doses vary throughout the country.

People living in the plateaus of Colorado or New Mexico receive about 1.5 mSv more per year than those living near sea level. The added dose from cosmic rays during a coast-to-coast round trip flight in a commercial airplane is about 0.03 mSv. Altitude plays a big role, but the largest source of background radiation comes from radon gas in our homes (about 2 mSv per year). Like other sources of background radiation, exposure to radon varies widely from one part of the country to another.

To explain it in simple terms, we can compare the radiation exposure from one chest x-ray as equivalent to the amount of radiation exposure one experiences from our natural surroundings in 10 days.

Following are comparisons of effective radiation dose with background radiation exposure for several radiological procedures described within this Web site »www.radiologyinfo.org/en/safety/···bhcp=1#5
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY

Hospital with Wi-Fi.

I work inside a hospital. We have the entire hospital hooked up for WiFi. I don't think that the WiFi is making any of our patients any sicker. And once I leave work, I go home to my WiFi network. I probably spend a good 22 hours out of every weekday (and at least 16 hours per day on the weekend) within a WiFi network.

Chaoswar
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join:2002-09-23
Northlake IL

well it's illinois what do you expect?

The burbites at it again... This group has been spouting this nonsense for a while now. The funny thing is they probably walk around with their cellphones stuck to their ears and complain about the low signal...
pbaldwin

join:2002-12-17
Dupo, IL
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Re: well it's illinois what do you expect?

It does seem as though we are filling up with California thinking people these days. Now that power is through the roof Missouri is looking good.

I'm exposed at work and at home. I also use a WISP. I'm much more concerned about little billy making it home safe on the school bus than getting damage from WiFi.

rudnicke
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Rantoul, IL
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*sigh*

I can't wait to move to another state.
RadioDoc
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Re: *sigh*

Not to worry. I think we've got them walled in in Naperville and Oak Park...they'll never make it that far south.
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Re: *sigh*

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Not to worry. I think we've got them walled in in Naperville and Oak Park...
Don't forget Wheaton.

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Site's claims are nothing but junk science

What more is there to say?

All their so-called "eivdence" is hearsay and
unsubstantiated.

dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

Satellites?

Hello! Microwaves?

These people are idiots!

FiL
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Silver Spring, MD

Re: Satellites?

Doesn't mean their entirely wrong.

Theres facts both sides of this argument can pull out their collective ass', IMO.

DaSneaky1D
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The Lou

Re: Satellites?

Yes it does. People are bombarded with so many forms of radiation spreading FUD like this is solely for some consultant's personal gain.
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major marco
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Stepford, CA
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Heh

I nominate the Healthy Home Alliance as this month's unintentionally funny website. Additionally, a special accolade for uncontrollable hysteria based on scientific ignorance and unfounded allegations should be awarded.

Morons.
bobdude1
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Wylie, TX

Re: Heh

I agree and below is my two cents:

Quick, please send a letter to your congressman - lets let them know that we no longer wish to allow the Sun to irradiate our planet. This type of radiation has gone on long enough.

Let them know that a giant ball of hydrogen and other dangerous chemicals exists in a vacumm a mere 93 million miles from our atmosphere! Wow! In the UK thats like 149 668 992 kilometers!

As Ross Perot once said:

"You can paint a skunk yellow, throw it into a barn and call it a Volkswagen, but that doesn't make it a carnivourous plant!"

Once the Sun is eliminated, we can then persue the other radiation sources - you know, the animals, plants and matter on the ground.

do it now ...
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