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N3OGH
They both suck, we're so screwed
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| Re: They should've deployed Apple I-TV's said by PhoenixDown  :WAN wide Apple I-TV broadcasts. Hope you've got your asbestos jammies handy, 'cause here it comes.... 
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| Re: They should've deployed Apple I-TV's said by kyramilan :Press Release ------------- Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said today the company was working extremely hard to rectify the code that crippled AT&T's new IPTV offering. Ballmer said the crack techs that created the "new awesome Vista OS" were put immediately on the project. Oh, gee, the Vista team is on it. I feel sorry for AT&T! So does that mean it will take 5 years for them to get it out the door?  | |
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meskinct
This space for rent
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January 26th, @12:21PM
| Finger Pointing AT&T picked Microsoft to be their provider for an IPTV solution. Ultimately, the responsibility lies with AT&T not Microsoft to ensure that the solution fits their (AT&T's) IPTV needs.
Sounds like some poor analysis was done at AT&T and they are pointing their fingers at Mr. Softee.
Analogy:
I've got a fire I need to put out. I need a hose to move the water. I pick a 1/2 inch hose. The fire rages out of control. Who is responsible?
1. Me (AT&T) for picking too small of a hose?
2. The maker of the hose (Microsoft) because it doesn't supply enough water?
I think you'll put the blame with #1 because I picked a bad solution to the problem.
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@af.mil | Re: Finger Pointing The size of the hose does not matter if the pump does not work. | |
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DaSneaky1D
Tell me, where is your father?
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The Lou | Re: Finger Pointing said by anonone :
The size of the hose does not matter if the pump does not work.
Classic!
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Pittstown, NJ | But Microsoft wasn't the maker of the pump... | |
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| Re: Finger Pointing said by MASantangelo :But Microsoft wasn't the maker of the pump... For his analogy to work, ATT picked the size of the pipe and chose MS to build the pump. The pipe is in place, however the pump has problems functioning at times. MS is responsible for the STB code and a large portion of backend IPTV code as well.
Even verizon had problems with the MS pump and they were using a very large pipe. | |
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FLea973
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| Re: Finger Pointing said by anonone :said by MASantangelo :But Microsoft wasn't the maker of the pump... For his analogy to work, ATT picked the size of the pipe and chose MS to build the pump. The pipe is in place, however the pump has problems functioning at times. MS is responsible for the STB code and a large portion of backend IPTV code as well. Even verizon had problems with the MS pump and they were using a very large pipe. I am no AT&T or Microsoft booster.. but even THIS needs to be deflated... Yes AT&T chose the pipe... but they ALSO chose the pump... is it MicroSoft's problem that the pump is inadequate? No - AT&T chose the wrong one. If Microsoft was the only choice there might be an issue.. but as they aren't.....
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join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA
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| Yes VZ realized probs with the code and were smart enough to take care of it themselves..... At least VZ is doing the IPTV right (FTTH,writing code etc). ATT will continue to struggle to bring TV to the masses with bandwidth limitations and software issues related to the limited bandwidth. | |
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join:2001-04-29
Jacksonville, FL | I would have a classical reply to that one simply because you set yourself up for it, but I won't say it here. :-D
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| RayW
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| said by meskinct :AT&T picked Microsoft to be their provider for an IPTV solution. Ultimately, the responsibility lies with AT&T not Microsoft to ensure that the solution fits their (AT&T's) IPTV needs. Sounds like some poor analysis was done at AT&T and they are pointing their fingers at Mr. Softee. Mind posting links to the specs from AT&T that lead you to make that statement? Most of the articles that point fingers seem to point toward microsoft not being able to provide, which makes sense since historically microsoft requires many iterations (prime example, the antitrust case where m had to go through many iterations to to get IE an integral and non-removable part of windows) to get working code out.
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
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January 26th, @10:11PM
| Re: Finger Pointing Microsoft sold ATT something that they haven't been able to deliver (and not just to ATT either).
Obviously ATT didn't do their due diligence, since there are viable IPTV solutions deployed around the world. However that doesn't mean Microsoft didn't screw the pooch on this one. Microsoft has tried to build everything on their own instead of integrating with existing 'best of breed' components and deliver something on schedule that actually works.
After getting burned by SA (now owned by Cisco) and GI (now owned by Moto) with their closed and vertically integrated systems, at least most of the cablecos learned to not only bring in two vendors and have them compete for a larger share of the business, but also to require a certain level of interoperability between key components. | |
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clubs: | Re: Finger Pointing Especially if one is Microsoft. | |
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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Wesley Chapel, FL | It's not the size of the hose but how you use it.  | |
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Duluth, GA
| Yes, this is finger pointing. Microsoft is not the only provider in IPTV platform solutions, but AT&T put all their rotten eggs in the one basket. You would think that they would have conducted redundant implementations with the same market and utilized at least one city as a test bed to see which solution provider delivered better. | |
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jslik
That just happened
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clubs: | Try to guess what is redundant.... "unwieldy Microsoft code"
Sorry, couldn't resist. | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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| Re: Try to guess what is redundant.... Yeah, this no shocker. Microsoft and shitty code seam to go hand-in-hand.
Are there no other providers with better boxes?
I find it amazing that the Verizon peeps actually could rewrite the code. Doesn't Microsoft find sharing their code with anyone outside of their company against their way of doing business? | |
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| Re: Try to guess what is redundant.... said by Maxo :Doesn't Microsoft find sharing their code with anyone outside of their company against their way of doing business? They apparently shared with China and according to the rumours from our security gurus, the US Gov had some serious PC intrusions through microsoft webmail and/or outlook as a result of holes/'features' found using that data.
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| said by Maxo :Microsoft and shitty code seam to go hand-in-hand. And just how much Microsoft code have you actually seen? Have you written any applications that run under Windows? Event driven code? Quantify these questions and then perhaps you can make such a judgement call. | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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| Re: Try to guess what is redundant.... Or, if you pay attention to such things, you would know that this is nothing new for Microsoft. I could go no but I really don't care to drag this out into a whole anti-MS thread. It's all quite trite. I leave my statement as it stands. I offer no warranties. | |
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| Re: Try to guess what is redundant.... said by Maxo :I offer no warranties. And nothing that quantifies your statement and puts you in the position to make any sort of valid statements regarding the quality of any code that Microsoft has produced. | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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clubs: | Re: Try to guess what is redundant.... I'm sorry. What was that? I wasn't paying attention. | |
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| Re: Try to guess what is redundant.... said by Maxo :I'm sorry. What was that? I wasn't paying attention. What! You think that makes you special!
I don't know either. My wife says it's because I am senile and forget things. | |
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jtel
join:2005-06-28
Bristol, RI | The Beta Test Continues Well, now they are admitting there's a problem with the product. Makes Verizon's choice not to employ IPTV till it was more mature look like a smart move.
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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January 26th, @12:53PM
| development process Typical building scenario, ;
Customer, We want you to build this and heres the plan.
Builder, Can do!
Customer 1/4 of the way into the building process, We have a slight change, could you please implement it?
Builder, Can do! But this will delay the scheduled release.
Customer, No problem!
Customer 1/2 way through the building process, We have a slight change, could you please implement it?
Builder, Can do! But this will delay the scheduled release.
Customer, No problem!
Customer 3/4 through the building process, We have a slight change, could you please implement it?
Builder, Can do! But its going to cost 3x the original estimate and delay the scheduled release.
Customer, OMG that wasnt in the plan what do you mean its costing 3x and more delay! Just stick by the original plan.
Builder, Can do! But we have to undo the last changes you made and its going to cost 2x the original estimate and delay the release.
Customer, Thats not what we planned!
Builder, Im sorry
99% done and doing an overview with the customer.
Customer,We have a slight change, it will be unacceptable if you dont implement it. And we dont want to pay for it.
Builder, It is what it is, if you want it fixed you need to pay.
Customer, We dont want to pay and were going to blame everything(including the delay)on you if our product launch is a failure.
Builder, Shrug | |
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
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January 26th, @01:23PM
| Re: development process No I dont.
From what I read on the articles linked they changed the motorola boxes that the software would be running on, the ones they had for development process had more memory.
Then at the end they changed the billing process.
Those are not minor changes, those 2 things are HUGE changes, and Id bet the farm they changed other things.
Change=Delay | |
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join:2001-10-19
Atlanta, GA | Typical software development process Vendor: We're going to be late with the scheduled delivery.
Customer: Again? sigh.... | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
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| this sounds just like carriers and WM all the carriers complain because they cant get windows mobile phones to work the way they want them with all of their "carrier customizations" in the end what it is is a bunch of yahoos at said carrier who dont know how to program and a bunch of bean counters who want to lock down the device way more than the consumer wants. I suspect the same thing exists on the IPTV side. The sounds just like verizon who was going to "re-write" the code. Yeah, I know when I think software developers I think verizon.
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| Re: this sounds just like carriers and WM Verizon wasn't going to do the work. They would hire third party developers that do this kind of work. I know some companies that specialize in doing set-top code. Some times they do work for the original set-top manufacturers and some times they do work for third parties that want the code customized for their situation.
Now, if the code isn't stable or the platform has changed then no one is going to find it an easy task to get the system working as it was supposed to. | |
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join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | M$ cant shove enough DRM in it to make the **AA's happy naw but it looks to be a while for that Xbox-360 IPTV thing getting off the ground | |
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Palm Desert, CA
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join:2005-06-17
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January 26th, @03:14PM
| not surprising That's what you get for getting in bed with Microsoft.....
You should have looked at their other TV and Mobile failures:
1) UltimateTV. Mediocre at best and lasted, what 1 year?
2) WinCE. Yes, I remember 1.0/2.0/etc. Still clunky after all these years.
3) Media Center Edition. Been around for about 3 iterations now and is still only mediocre at best.
4) MSN TV. Need I say more.
Looking at MS's poor track record, it would be INSANE to partner with them for a mission critical application. MS doesn't know how to code mission critical apps.
Ultimately, you sleep with the Devil, you get burned. Serves you right. If you would have looked away from MS, you would have seen much better and more scalable solutions than anything provided by them. | |
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| MS code bloat My Tivo runs Linux... | |
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raye
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Orange, CA
| M$ and AT&T; two terds in the grass When it comes to innovation and speed these are not the two companies that come to mind today. With these two joining forces I will be surprised if (and when) anything works. When it finally does it will be to slow (6 Mbps is slow even in 2007) and too late. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: M$ and AT&T; two terds in the grass There GUI will be a windows vista product | |
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Microsoft Code Responsbile For AT&T IPTV Delay
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