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join:2001-09-10
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| Re: Maybe this is what it takes... Probably but dont think most people will waste there time on downloading HD movies if the movie industry makes the HDDVD's priced within range. For most it will be to much of a hassle. Atleast that is my .02 on it. But you never know with this industry, they might make a movie a $100.00 so it might be worth trying to download the movies. Me personally wont buy anything until I have a tv to watch it on anyhow, lol. | |
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| Re: Maybe this is what it takes... said by Nightwchtr  :Probably but dont think most people will waste there time on downloading HD movies if the movie industry makes the HDDVD's priced within range. For most it will be to much of a hassle. Atleast that is my .02 on it. But you never know with this industry, they might make a movie a $100.00 so it might be worth trying to download the movies. Me personally wont buy anything until I have a tv to watch it on anyhow, lol. Your missing the point (and so is the article). Eventually release groups will make HD rips instead of DVD rips. Also, eventually I will be renting and copying HD movies.. Eventually I will be downloading them when the bandwidth is available..
Baby steps my friend..
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| If anything, the AACS will want to try to hinder the U.S. getting faster speeds because of this.
Also: HD isn't as popular as you would think yet. It's not a necessity. I don't know anyone who even has an HD TV. It looks like at the moment it is just a luxury for people who have the money. Possibly the reason why cable/sat HD uptake is lacking at the moment.
Also: While those in certain areas (served by Muni-Fiber/Verizon FIOS) may see those speeds soon, those in ATT territory (making up a huge chunk of the U.S.) will only see 6mb/s even under UVerse as of now. Unless ATT allows for faster internet speed, cable deploys next-gen at a decent price, or Muni takes over in most areas it is unlikely the majority of the U.S. will see those kind of speeds soon.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Maybe this is what it takes... geez, you and everyone you know must live in the poor house. you can honestly say you dont know ANYONE who has an HDTV. wow. just wow.
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| Re: Maybe this is what it takes... said by inteller :geez, you and everyone you know must live in the poor house. you can honestly say you dont know ANYONE who has an HDTV. wow. just wow.
said by antwanp : Or, you just may be content with your 15 year old 19" console tv...
Not everyone cares enough to upgrade when they don't see a need. There is nothing worth watching, and my opinion is shared by more people than you think. Can I afford an HDTV? Yes pretty easily, since as you said: the prices are "dropping daily". Would I spend any money on one? No, my normal def TV works perfectly. Your insinuation that someone must be poor because they don't own a non-necessity is moronic at best. I honestly disdain those that try and play "holier-than-thou" because they dive into the newest fads, tech or otherwise early, and thumb their nose at those who do not follow. People have different priorities, and it so happens that television is not one of them for everyone. While HDTV may not be a fad any-longer, it is definitely not the standard. More people own SDTV's than HDTV's, don't even try and argue that point, and most channels are SD still. You both come off as one of those stereotypical snobby valley girls on some lame tv show that laughs at the girls who don't follow the latest crazes. Its a weak analogy but it was the first thing that came to mind when I read the posts made by the two of you. Seeing how you both put so much importance on TV, I'm sure you both know the type of character I mean...maybe you both idolize her, who knows, but I wouldn't doubt it. The quality of the image means nothing when the content isn't worth watching, until that changes, I will not buy an HDTV. | |
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| said by inteller :geez, you and everyone you know must live in the poor house. you can honestly say you dont know ANYONE who has an HDTV. wow. just wow. No, I don't live in the poor house.. but seriously... what if I did? You need to be a little more sensitive the the variety of people in the world.
Anyway, and also in reponse to antwamp, I have seen HD. I just find that the increase in picture quality is not really necessary. True, it may become a standard in the future, but for me and those that I know it is not something we would like to run out and buy. Considering I know so many who have very little knowlege of anything technical, I could make a pretty good assumption that a majority of the U.S. don't currently see HD as something major yet.
As for the 'experience', I will leave that to the theaters to provide.
said by antwanp :Get with the times people! I am a computer science major and have been thinking this for quite a while, but not anymore. I realize that so many are not as interested in the 'latest and greatest' untill it transparently integrates itself years down the road. It may be hard to accept, but thats what happens. Not everyone is a CS major or seriously interested in technology. Period.
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digiblur
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Louisiana | What's SD?
Ohhh... that's that stuff that looks washed out and fuzzy with black bars on the side that I used to watch. | |
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join:2002-10-29
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| Re: Maybe this is what it takes... And what does the less washed out/non fuzzy sans black bars on the side(wtf?) provide you? Nothing really, the content of the show doesn't increase just because you can see the pores of the actors. I've overheard several people arguing over TV tech and which is best etc. I can't fathom why anyone finds it important enough to fight over. If you have nothing else in your life except TV, then I suppose an attachment of sorts occurs. I have no right to judge others, but honestly when I notice people get so excited over TV tech or become heated in an argument over TV/Video standards, its as though I pity them. Something so insignificant has taken an important role in their lives, probably to fill some type of void. To me its almost as bad as people becoming ecstatic over a toaster oven breakthrough...wait no...that might actually be useful..nevermind. I'm not saying this about all HDTV owners, just the ones who are snotty about it..like you and the other two I previously responded to. If my TV broke and for some reason I decided to get a new one, (I occasionally turn mine on for background noise, but honestly thats rare. Sometimes I'll play my ps2, again thats once every few months..but I digress) if two tv's I liked were equal price for the same size, one HD and the other SD, I'd probably get the HD, but only if I like the design and features equally or more than the SD, otherwise the SD it is. It's essentially a piece of furniture to me, so aesthetics are important. Anyways, being snotty about it just makes you seem like someone trying to compensate for something..or trying to impress other people online...either way, it seems ridiculous.
Edit: Voyager I'm going to assume that was aimed at me. First off, I use a 17" LCD screen, nothing fancy by any means. I needed an LCD since normal CRT's hurt my eyes after staring at them for awhile. 17" because I need the space as a programmer and in general 15" screens are cramped. Its obvious I don't run Win3.0 since it would be nearly useless. See my computer is a necessity for work and school. A TV is not. The whole HDTV issue is about leisure, not productivity. I cannot do the things I need to on Win3.0, thus your statement does not pertain to the issue. Furthermore the whole issue is not about HDTV, but people who insult others or insinuate they are poor if they do not own one. Those who act like that are the exact same as those idiotic sports fans who cry when their favorite teams lose. Fanatical...Its one thing to appreciate the tech for what it is, but another to assume its a better lifestyle. | |
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| Re: Maybe this is what it takes... said by omniscient :And what does the less washed out/non fuzzy sans black bars on the side(wtf?) provide you? No black bars here... pure 1080i/720p content here. Commercial free too. We don't watch HD. After having the HDTV for 6 months I popped in a DVD in the upconverting DVD player and my wife and I looked at each other saying "What's wrong with the picture?" "Ohhh...it's only 480p"
I couldn't go back. You can't see the show on SD.
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| Re: Maybe this is what it takes... I'm still curious about what black bars, unless you mean widescreen. I loathe widescreen, the proportions make everything seem askew. Honestly, I'm not insulting the tech, and if you enjoy it good, its meant to be enjoyed and treated as something purely for fun. The reason I got annoyed was the two previous posters and their attitude. Your previous post lead me to believe you were of the same sort, if you are not then I apologize if my post seemed to be condescending. I don't watch TV except maybe Discovery or Animal Planet on occasion, so I have no attachments to it. Some people treat it like its a large factor in their lives and that seems pretty sad. If you just enjoy it and treat it to be that which it is, great, if you act like the quality of your TV/Video devices is some measuring stick of your status, then honestly..get a life. | |
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| Re: Maybe this is what it takes... said by voyager6868 :Let me guess... You wrote that post using your 14" VGA monitor running Windows 3.0? Windows 3.0?? That's garbage. OS/2 to the max w/ Netscape!
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join:2002-10-29
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join:2003-11-08
Medina, OH | Now who's behind the times...  It's E-Comstation with Firefox for OS/2 users. | |
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Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | its not about the bandwidth, its about the space. 20+ gb hd movies makes a 500gb drive look pretty small. | |
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join:2003-12-04
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| AACS is a long-term thing Yea, some keys have been publicized, and some movies are on P2P. I think the studios aren't freaking precisely because of the bandwidth issue; i.e., it's no big deal right now.
But they have AACS so they don't wind up in the same situation that CD's wound up in: when CD's were first released, P2P wasn't possible nor even envisioned, so no one worried about. Now it's too late to go back and change things.
With AACS, They can always "fix" this particular issue with these specific keys, before network bandwidths that can quickly transfer 20GB files are developed. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | not the upload, that's for sure how long does it take to upload an HD movie at 384kbps?
I don't even want to think about it.
maybe when FIOS gets more widespread. | |
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join:2002-09-20
Winston Salem, NC | Re: not the upload, that's for sure indeed im not waiting 7 days to Download a HD movie, when I can order it from blockbuster for a few bucks and get it in a day. Maybe when we are ALL zipping along on fiber I would think about downloading a HD movie. | |
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| You'll have people who will do the majority of the uploading and be assured, they don't have your typical consumer-grade internet connections. Someone can do the math, but it would probably be *days* at 384k...
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| Re: not the upload, that's for sure said by Hall :You'll have people who will do the majority of the uploading and be assured, they don't have your typical consumer-grade internet connections. Someone can do the math, but it would probably be *days* at 384k... Actually if you look at the upload stats.. Most of the sources are uploading at over 100KB/s.
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Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN | Re: not the upload, that's for sure He said 100 kiloBYTES/sec while you said 384 kilobits/sec. While it's not a huge difference (only slightly more then 2x), it is a difference between 2 1/2 days and 5 days.
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join:2003-09-14
Duluth, GA | And like in my case, you say we dont have the bandwidth, Ive done 223Gb just this month alone and there are still a few days left in this month as well. The availablity of bandwidth is there. | |
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MoeDumb
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join:2002-09-23 | First it was porn as the driving force in tech development.
Now, it's piracy.
What is this Net coming to?
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The piracy of HD Porn baby !!!!!!!
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Merry Whatever
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Hercules, CA | Re: not the upload, that's for sure Oh HELL YES!  | |
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join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: not the upload, that's for sure do we want to see all the nasty "artifacts" on HD porn though?
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Levittown, PA | Re: not the upload, that's for sure eeeewwwww!!!!
Is that....a piece of corn?
Eeeeeeewwww!!!
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New York, NY | Dadkins I think we've established you have more than enough porn from your research projects... | |
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join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA | I can assure you that p0rn is doing its part. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by nasadude :how long does it take to upload an HD movie at 384kbps? I don't even want to think about it. maybe when FIOS gets more widespread. About 6 hours per GB. So a blu-ray movie that uses all 50 GB.....well you do the math. Of course they are talking in a few years or sooner having the ability to made quad layered blu_ray discs so that's 200GB per disc. | |
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join:2004-07-28
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| Re: not the upload, that's for sure said by MariusPL :
384 kbps - hmmm, really?! I always thought you had faster broadbands in the US. I live in the Eastern Europe (Poland) and get stable 1,5 Mbps of upstream for roughly 23 Euro/month.
Hell no. Our country has no national broadband plan at all. Our system is why we have a very high % of people( as compared to most industrialized countries ) who can only get 56kbps dial-up. Where I live you can get 10Mbps down/1 Mbps from Charter( which is considered very fast for the US ) but it cost $70 or about $54 Euro per month. | |
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| It's Coming I once hosted a 25GB+ Doctor Who Torrent. It was really popular because it was the entire 2005 season remastered by `MixMaster`. He took the original digital OTA captures and made MPEG-2 DVD's out of them without ever going to DiVX. He also made really nice menus and extras.
It took me a week to seed the whole thing but literally dozens of people downloaded it AND continued to seed it.
So yes, this size of a torrent is unusual, but it's possible and it's coming. Also remember that this technology infuences the CEA market. If some new DiVX-HD type format becomes popular ( say compress an HD-DVD to fit on a dual-layer DVD ) then you'll see DVD players get invented to play the format. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
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| BitTorrent BitTorrent is actually fairly efficient in this scenario. Do the AACS devs not realize that? Almost no "single" person has the necessary bandwidth to transfer 50GB files, but thousands of people do have the cumulative bandwidth necessary | |
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join:2001-09-10
Falls Church, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: BitTorrent This is true but more and more ISP's are shutting down this type of traffic. It will interesting to see which way internet will go, whether or not the industries can get ISP's to help them or if the ISP's will tell them to go away and get a lawyer. | |
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Hall
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Dayton, OH
| Damn them.... That sucks... I was gonna download some HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray movies but if they're telling me my connection is too slow, I guess I won't. 
By the way, the BBC News article mentions the high cost of writable media. Hmmmm, I guess people will just have to store the file(s) on their HDD vs burning them to disc. You can do that, can't you ?? Golly-gee, someday we might even be able to connect our PCs to our home-theatre setups and watch them on a big-screen with DD5.1 audio.
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| said by Nightwchtr :Hall the PC to home-theatre has come along time ago :-D ...and is going away because of the DRM in Vista won't work with HDMI and other high end interfaces that are not considered 'piracy safe.' | |
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join:2006-01-28
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| Sure, compress them down to WMV-HD (VC1) or something else and start seeding. Store them on your PC, throw on a uPnP server and/or transcoder and stream them to your Xbox360.
PS- I don't want to hear whining about lossy compression. JPEG/MPEG2/MPEG3/DiVX has shown that we are all willing to compress for the sake of size. | |
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| Stop FIOS How long until the **AA lawyers come up with a cocked hat lawsuit to stop Verizon (and others) form deploying FTTH because it "facilitates" piracy?
I would not put it past these arrogant, money grubbing, Shylock losers.
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| Re: Stop FIOS said by pende_tim :How long until the **AA lawyers come up with a cocked hat lawsuit to stop Verizon (and others) form deploying FTTH because it "facilitates" piracy? I would not put it past these arrogant, money grubbing, Shylock losers. It's already happening.. why do you think high fidelity audio hasn't been adopted yet?
Once fear of national security rids us of personal freedom and privacy, the people who took it away must be stopped. Once fear of copyright infringement outweighs development of technology, the MPAA must be put in their place.
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join:2004-04-16
Canada
| Won't stop anyone Size does not matter to the hardcore leecher. With larger HDDs, it is just a matter of leaving the comp on for a few days to get what you want.
People like me, who never turn off their computer, will have no problem with huge downloads. I have a 3mbit/640kbit connection and do 300GB+ of transfers a month (more upload than download). Mostly anime and seeding torrents as large at 10GB+ on BT. So downloading a HD movie would be nothing for me.
Those who want it will just leave their computer on. Or resume the next time they turn it on. But of course I agree it is easier to just go out and buy it. Especially if you are downloading a re-encoded version. That way you won't terrible quality (They are bad enough right now, no way I would want to download a huge video with worse quality).
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join:2002-04-05
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January 26th, @11:49AM
| its possible Disclaimer:This post contains illegal activities if carried out, do at your own risk, not responsible for your actions, you may goto jail
University ethernet connections. 25mbits up, 60mbits down. Or FIOS or Cablevision (NYC area cable co), or better pray some other cable co releases NARAD. What I'm VERY worried about it, that release groups wont publish complete BD/HD DVD images/files but "cut downs" and "repacks" that are butchers of everything except main movie (no extras) and re-encoded to lower bitrates or less quality codecs (divx/xvid) making them just above regular DVD in quality. There is no point to download a DVD image over a regular 700mb divx unless the DVD has DVD features (subtitles, extras, extra audio). Plus the whole justification release groups use to justify striping the discs is that they "cant be burned to consumer recordable discs". Now if certain ISPs stopped ridiculously low upload rates (TWC), on TWC 8/512 premium, it would take me 5 days to get my share ratio to 1 for a HDDVD, for 1200kbps real world it would take 2 days. Its similar to trying to download a divx over dialup, its possible, and people who want it can do it, take 2-3 days to do a CD of data on dialup. Its true that there is a serious bandwidth problem, but its not going to change anyone's behaviours.
EDIT, another idea i have is, but ive never tried it and IDK if hosting companies will allow torrent in TOS/real world, rent a Virtual Private Server with 10megabit line, or a nice multi hundred gigabyte bandwidth bucket, install a command line torrent client, and basically have the VPS download the torrent, and be able to share at 2-15mbps and get a good share ratio, and when the file is done/share ratio goes to what you want it, you turn off seeding to have all upload bandwidth of VPS for yourself (for your download), and download it over FTP at line speed of the server, since you probably have a 3-6mbps DSL or a 3-10mbps cable modem, it should take atmost 1/2 a day to download from the VPS to your machine.
EDIT, another more evil thing and much more illegal thing to do is, set up a couple Yagi/cantennas plugged into high quality/high receiver sensitivity/high transmit power (basically Engenius brand) USB wifi dongles all over your house facing out all you windows towards all the open APs in your neighborhood. The reason you use USB is so you dont get any loss from Coax cable, USB cable has no loss since its digital, you can use 15 foot passive extension cords on USB and also hubs to add another 15 feet. You have the torrent program use multiple internet connections, but writing to the same file, plus if there arent enough open APs, you can try hacking them and cracking WEP or dictionary attack WPA maybe, and once you pull that off, set up some port forwarding for yourself on each router, also a uncapped/debug FW enabled cable modem would work well (2mbit upload atleast usually). More unrealistic hack for bandwidth would be to hack into a Govt Satellites/Iridium/Wildblue/DoD and get internet through satellites in outer space (latency sucks, but bandwidth is probably very high and that is good) .
Sneak into corporate buildings and office buildings with a Linksys NSLU2 NAS unit flashed with Linux into the dropped ceiling and splice into a power or light junction box for AC and install a small ethernet switch, and cut a random Cat5 you see, plug into switch, plug NAS into switch, and continuing Cat5, illegally installed and placed "co-located" server. Use UDP hole punching to get through firewall or have NAS report to a IRC chatroom or something, also remember to watch where you connect to the illegally placed NAS from, net admins may notice, and track who connects to the NAS or what communication happens to the NAS, so use anonymous wifi to download (use mcdonalds for anonymous legal wifi, or pay for a hotspot with a prepaid anonymous CC), or you can retrieve the NAS once its filled up with BD/HD DVD. If you have the balls to do this, well what can I say, your going to prison.
EDIT, Im going to leave tapping into long line Fiber Optic lines out or cutting into a private fiber line near your house/somewhere, since you need help from psychiatrist and meds for bandwidth addiction. | |
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| Re: its possible There's a reason why groups have scene rules setup in a first place, if you don't like the way things are done (lower bitrate to fit them on a dvd5, strip extras etc) then don't download them. After all they do these release for the scene and themselves. | |
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
Premium
join:2000-03-14
San Antonio, TX | hahah LMAO. Is that like a challenge to the pirating community?
Stupid. | |
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Placebo
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join:2005-12-14
Huntley, IL | All I want to do is... Make a damn backup copy. I'm waiting for the media prices to drop before I delve into it, but if I'm going to drop $26 on a blu-ray movie, I want to back it up somehow.
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dadkins
Merry Whatever
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Re: All I want to do is... DAMN RIGHT!
$17.99 for a 25GB Single Layer is steep!
$49.99 for a DL is even harder on the ole wallet!
BD-RE(RW)? Screw that! For now at least!
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Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow
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Stewartstown, PA
| Re: All I want to do is... said by dadkins :DAMN RIGHT! $17.99 for a 25GB Single Layer is steep! $49.99 for a DL is even harder on the ole wallet! BD-RE(RW)? Screw that! For now at least! Give it a couple years. DVD-R disks cost $20 ea when they first came out. | |
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| said by dadkins :DAMN RIGHT! $17.99 for a 25GB Single Layer is steep! $49.99 for a DL is even harder on the ole wallet! BD-RE(RW)? Screw that! For now at least! buy a 160GB hard drive
for 56$
it has the same amout of space for 3 movies
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AACS Devs: You Don't Have the Bandwidth To Pirate HD Discs
hehe, I downloaded that exact same series using torrents in about 18 hours. Good show but I like Torchwood better.