said by Tomek :

Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified. I use it to download TV shows, because I am too lazy to rip them from TV myself so I can watch them when I'm bored.
But I don't justify DVD piracy. After all they are available for reasonable price either in permanent format or temporary PPV or similar.
Music piracy is other story. RIAA charges WAY TOO MUCH for music and I refuse to pay. I also refuse to buy DRM infected songs that I can't play in any device I own. I'm yet to listen to good argument why CDs costs almost as much as DVDs when their production costs are not even close.

said by ditka_b :

Technically even tho you pay for the channel you are stealing, They believe removing the commercials breaks any contract you have by paying for the channel

said by ditka_b :

It's illegal to download TV shows with out paying or being granted a free download by the network.
No matter how you word it or how strongly you deny it. You break the law downloading shows. In doing so you are no better than the rest lol

said by ditka_b :

Congrats I did not realize you were canadian. Hows that cdr and dvdr tax treating you? That's what pays for your lienient laws on copyrights isnt it?
If you are calling me a moron more power to you lol

said by ditka_b :

You might consider whining about something less paltry than a 1.99 fee that you don't even have to pay. I'll gladly pay the fee for both my core 2 duo laptops from Apple and not whine nor call others names.
And I'll also relish every day that I get to live in the USA.

said by grandpinaple :

Also stop saying stealing, there is a drastic difference between depriving an owner of physical property and depriving an owner of potential revenue on an intangible product.

said by TK Junk Mail :

The difference is merely semantics by those who don't like people calling what they are doing thievery. They hang their defense of their immoral actions on technical legal definitions.

said by Snickerdo :

Okay, by that same token, I could call you a moron. Sure, I may have no actual backing to call you a moron, but it is what I think.

said by TK Junk Mail :

You think? Not based on your posts.

said by Tomek :

Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified.

said by MuzikDude :

As for Copyright Laws, U.S. Copyright Laws are NOT enforceable in many countries. For whatever ignorant reason, many people ASSUME that laws of the U.S. are laws everywhere.

said by TK Junk Mail :

And since MOST countries are part of the WTO and must follow the rules by treaty, these countries all had to pass copyright laws very similar to US copyright laws to be a member and meet treaty obligations. See this WTO document on Intellectual Property Rights to see what is involved and what governments have agreed to: »www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tri···m2_e.htm

said by Alpine :

Ah, the rantings of those who don't have the balls to admit they're stealing.

The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind.

I admit, I've used software without permission in the past. But at least I also have the guts to admit it's wrong...

Adam

said by Alpine :

The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind.

said by cdru :

Where TPB is located, it's legal for what they are doing because they are not hosting the data. They may be enabling people to pirate content, but they aren't the ones that are uploading the bits and pieces.

said by TK Junk Mail :

When lots of money is involved

and the law doesn't protect those with the money (stockholders of music & movie studios), the law will soon be changed to protect their interests.

said by TK Junk Mail :

When lots of money is involved and the law doesn't protect those with the money(stockholders of music & movie studios), the law will soon be changed to protect their interests. Bet your life on it, even in Sweden, or anywhere else for that matter.

said by unsub :

With such a well though out and rational argument I can't see why more people can't see your side.

Yes the Pirate Bay is not illegal. Eventually the **AA and other international arms of copyright holders will place enough economic pressure on Sweden, or the Ukraine, or wherever the Pirate Bay decides to try to find safe harbor, that laws will be passed and they will be shut down.

Just like a wack-a-mole game, some other torrent sharing site will pop up to take it's place...where I will continue to steal music, software, and movies, and try to justify it by telling myself record companies are evil.

said by kyramilan :

It is amazing how many people hate America in America but doesn't have the kahunas to head to the beloved land of pacifism called France.

said by kyramilan :

International copyright laws do exist. And, I'm sure countries other than the U.S. like to protect their music and movies as well.

said by kyramilan :

When Putin is sick of AllofMP3.com, it'll disappear and the people running it will be off to the gulag.

said by kyramilan :

Hate to say it, even if record companies put NO DRM, people would still steal anyway.

said by kyramilan :

I do think downloading a DVD is stupid when the price is the same at WalMart (or even less sometimes).