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| Re: Great... said by insomniac84 :A hosting company is already running in the country. They are probably the only nation in the world with 100% broadband coverage. Next big headline on BBR..
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| Sealand is not a country. It is not recognized as such by any nation and lies within British jurisdiction. The fact that the Brits have left them alone doesn't change the fact that Sealand IS British territory.
But they do have broadband.
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| Re: Great... I don't know if this is accurate, but Wikipedia says, "In 19678 Britain's Royal Navy tried to remove Bates. As they entered territorial waters, Bates tried to scare them off by firing warning shots from the former fort. As Bates was a British citizen at the time, he was summoned to court in England following the incident. The court ruled in Bates' favour that Sealand was outside British jurisdiction as it was beyond the three-mile limit of the country's waters." | |
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| Re: Great... It was outside the British territorial waters. It is inside now, as the boundary was increased from 3 miles to 12 miles several years ago. There is a significant disagreement about where that line should be drawn now and/or whether "Sealand" has a legitimate claim.
Bates and co. have been left alone by the UK mostly because they aren't worth the trouble and aren't bothering anyone but that could change...he's getting old and is no longer in residence, and they had a significant fire on the platform last summer. His kid is in charge of whatever it is they have out there.
"www.havenco.com" and "sealandweb.com" seem to both be operating but neither have been updated for quite awhile. Makes you wonder what the current status of that venture really is. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. Save the Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus! | |
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| Re: Great... said by RadioDoc :Bates and co. have been left alone by the UK mostly because they aren't worth the trouble and aren't bothering anyone but that could change...he's getting old and is no longer in residence, and they had a significant fire on the platform last summer. His kid is in charge of whatever it is they have out there. One thing that also must be remembered is that the Germans actually sent an ambassador there sometime in the late 80s/early 90s to secure citizens that Bates was holding on the fort as prisoners for treason. Some experts claim that by sending a representative to Sealand - and not to the UK - to negotiate with Bates, the Germans may have legitimized Sealand's claim as a nation, if not officially then in a de-facto manner.
The Law of the Sea treaty, which extended territorial waters, also makes note of platforms, oil rigs, etc that platforms AFTER the signing of the treaty can not be recognized as sovereign entities. It does not say that existing platforms are included if no claim is made to them. Frankly, the only way anything like this would be settled is in some international forum. Me thinks that both the British and the Germans may have unintentionally legitimized Bates' claim. -- Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal. Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca | |
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| Re: Great... I don't think anyone has unintentionally legitimized anything. If the Chancellor of Germany herself showed up, no one anywhere recognizes a bunch of people living on an old gun platform as an independent nation. The whole idea is a bunch of tomfoolery and humbug that has been given too much weight.
No reasonable, thinking person can honestly believe that any nation anywhere would let a handful of people set up just twelve miles away from shore and declare themselves outside the laws of that nation. There is a difference between indulging the fantasies of a few half-cracked eccentrics, and actually allowing them independence and sovereignty.
Sealand is just a silly fort for grownups. Mom and Dad don't come out there, but they could if they wanted to, and if they tell you to come in and wash up for dinner, you sure as hell better do so.
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| Re: Great... said by emptywig :I don't think anyone has unintentionally legitimized anything. If the Chancellor of Germany herself showed up, no one anywhere recognizes a bunch of people living on an old gun platform as an independent nation. The whole idea is a bunch of tomfoolery and humbug that has been given too much weight. Perhaps you should learn a bit about interntional law before making such claims:
said by »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand#Legal_status : In international law, the two most common schools of thought for the creation of statehood are the constitutive and declarative theories. The constitutive theory was the standard 19th-century model of statehood, and the declaratory theory was developed in the 20th century to address shortcomings of the constitutive theory. In the constitutive theory, a state exists exclusively via recognition by other states. The theory splits on whether this recognition requires "diplomatic recognition" or merely "recognition of existence". It is clear that no other state grants Sealand diplomatic recognition, but it has been argued by Bates that negotiations carried out by Germany constituted "recognition of existence". In the declarative theory of statehood, an entity becomes a state as soon as it meets the minimal criteria for statehood, such as those defined by the Montevideo Convention. This asserts that a defined territory, permanent population, government and the capacity to enter into relationships with other sovereign states are the only foundation requirements for a sovereign state. None of these requirements necessarily has to conform to a certain size or standard, but their general characteristics should be taken into account.
On December 6, 2005, The Times claimed that the British government and courts had finally admitted that Sealand "is outside British national territory [...] and not part of the United Kingdom"; however The Times did not elaborate and there has been no confirmation by other sources.
While there is certainly debate on this matter, simply writing it off as non-existent is foolish, as there are a number of arguments and situations that legitimize Mr. Bates' claim. -- Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal. Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca | |
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| Re: Great... Unless you're an international lawyer, don't be patronizing. We've all read the Wikipedia article,too.
Sealand has no diplomatic relations with anyone. Anywhere. Anyhow. Its in British waters (12 miles). There is no dispute. What you quoted from Wikipedia proves nothing, establishes nothing different. In practice, and in any other way you care to think about it, Sealand is in British waters. Full stop.
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| Re: Great... said by emptywig :Unless you're an international lawyer, don't be patronizing. We've all read the Wikipedia article,too. Sealand has no diplomatic relations with anyone. Anywhere. Anyhow. Its in British waters (12 miles). There is no dispute. What you quoted from Wikipedia proves nothing, establishes nothing different. In practice, and in any other way you care to think about it, Sealand is in British waters. Full stop. So let me get this right, I'm patronizing and have no right to post an opinion on the matter because I'm not a lawyer who specializes in International Law? You might want to actually stop being so arrogant and actually live up to the same standard that you apply to others, or am I missing the fact that you, in fact, have an LLD focusing on International Law and have more understanding on this matter than just being some talking head yapper mouth posting on an Internet forum with nothing more than an opinion? If you are an LLD, credentials, perhaps? Or, just maybe, you should hold others to the same standard you put on yourself and stop being a jackass? -- Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal. Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca | |
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Good day.
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| Re: Great... said by emptywig :Oh please. I'm right. End of story. Good day. wig Hah oh my, what a child you are. Going to stamp your feet and ask for your bottle? There many other actual experts (you know - people who do more than post in a forum like this) who would disagree with you on this issue. If you can't handle debating an issue without taking your ball and going home, just don't bother coming out to play. -- Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal. Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca | |
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| Re: Great... said by cafields :Sealand is located in international waters and is not British Territory. No it is currently in British waters. It is allowed to exist because it isn't causing any real problems and no one really wants to deal with it.
Should thepiratebay choose to purchase it, it's continued existence at the location is going to depend entirely on how much of a problem the UK sees them as.
Quite frankly moving the operation to Sealand is probably one of the dumbest things thepiratebay could do. -- Early to rise, early to bed; Makes a man healthy but socially dead. | |
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| Re: Why does this keep reminding me of Waterworld? said by inteller :Everytime I read about Sealand I think about Dennis Hopper and the 'Smokers' "you are like a turd that won't flush!" rofl so do i! | |
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| Crazy... It's amazing to me that TPB has the organization and/or capital to do something like this.
You'd almost think they're a legitimate organization rather than a bunch of criminals... 
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| Re: Crazy... Please.. That's obviously not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth to cover your lousy argument. I really wonder how old some of you people are. Maybe you'll understand when you grow up.
I'd explain, but I'm not sure you're mature enough to comprehend simple concepts like theft of someone's intellectual property...
Come back when you grow out of Transformers and we'll talk...
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| Re: Crazy... tell me how they are providng theft? They just post information about how to obtain files that point at other files. only in a backasswards country could this be considered illegal. I can download information from google on how to make bombs, but I dont see google getting shutdown or called terrorist.
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| said by Alpine :Please.. That's obviously not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth to cover your lousy argument. I really wonder how old some of you people are. Maybe you'll understand when you grow up. I'd explain, but I'm not sure you're mature enough to comprehend simple concepts like theft of someone's intellectual property... Come back when you grow out of Transformers and we'll talk... Adam I don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to the Transformers movie. 
Now insulting someone on the internet who disagrees with your opinion ... that seems a bit less mature than liking the Transformers to me.
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| No, you are mistaken. Posting a link to a file IS NOT THEFT. PERIOD. The internet is designed that way, and if people take advatange of that, then so be it. Maybe we should focus on making people understand that it's wrong, from a moral perspective. However, as I stated earlier. We are only 5% of the population of the world. Don't expect ANY other culture/country to BOW TO THE MIGHT OF DUBYAH. Just look at IRAQ. We have NO RIGHT to impose OUR moral beliefs on anyone else. That's the main reason why the rest of the world hates us. I think ISLAM is wrong, as it mixes religion with politics (yes, if you are a true islamic, there is no difference between religion and politics, because islam IS a political belief system). However, I have no right to say you can't practice it. -- Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 100mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs. | |
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| What TPB does is LEGAL in the country in which they are from and operate in, thus they cannot be called criminals since they are not breaking any laws which govern their jurisdiction. Notice that the RIAA and MPAA bring suits into civil court? Because its not a criminal case, but a civil one. Another argument against your "TBP are criminals" argument. Your holier than thou attitude is pathetic. You are the one who needs to grow up and understand that just because you believe it is wrong does not make it so, nor do the laws of our country extend to every other one.
I figured I should add this instead of creating another post. People are free to form their own opinions. You obviously believe that what TPB and other torrent sites do is wrong, and you are well within your rights to believe so. You are also free to proclaim your beliefs as you have done. Where you go wrong is accusing people of being criminals when they are in fact not. This could actually be considered libel if one wants to be technical, although I am not sure of Swedish laws on defamation, nor am I an expert in said torts in our own country. Be careful now, or you will become a criminal yourself... :/ | |
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| said by Alpine :Theft is theft, regardless of whether one has the balls to admit it or not. Those without balls hide behind mature and well developed excuses like "those laws are stupid..." Truly amazing... Adam So countries that allow alcohol consumption at age 14 are evil countries?? And what about Amsterdam where weed is good and freely available? They must burn in hell eh? Because...well, if it's against the law in America, that just settles it.  -- Like Cars? Visit: SportCompactMiami.com forums.sportcompactmiami.com blog.sportcompactmiami.com | |
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| said by Alpine :Theft is theft, regardless of whether one has the balls to admit it or not. Bull sh*it.
A society as a whole determines what is moral and immoral, not members from outside of said society. If it is acceptable to trade files like that in Scandinavia, it is obviously not theft, and it is obviously an acceptable part of their lifestyle. Just because you, an American looking in from the outside, consider it "theft" does not mean that in another society it actually is theft. This attitude, the "our way or no way" of being is exactly why Americans are considered to be ignorant and isolationists throughout the world. If you can't handle comments such as these, don't bring them onto yourself. -- Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal. Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca | |
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| I hate hippies, I beat people up like that... There the ones that hope there laws protect them and keep them safe wile they hide in there house 
The day I see the Pirates bay, litterly taking food from the poor ritch people then maby we will stop... but screw it support the industry! puffy wants 2 more air planes made of 24k gold.
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| said by Alpine :You'd almost think they're a legitimate organization rather than a bunch of criminals...  Adam The Mafia comes to mind. -- YourIP.US - Quickly Locate Your IP! | |
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| said by Alpine :It's amazing to me that TPB has the organization and/or capital to do something like this. You'd almost think they're a legitimate organization rather than a bunch of criminals...  Adam some business people wear white and some wear black....i'd bet most of them used to wear white and got tired of the government sticking up their arse and switched to the darker side.
i think they just know what they are doing and are dodging pending legal stuff by this action. it will take the government years to write bogus laws to get them at sea. by this time, if not already, they will be filthy rich and won't care what happens beyond that.
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| What's your definition of a 'criminal'. Is a criminal someone who disobeys the law? Well, they aren't breaking any laws where they are. Is a criminal someone who breaks US laws? Ahh, in that case, then I guess YOU'RE a criminal too, because you have broken the taliban's laws.
They ARE a legitimate organization. Maybe not legitimate in your eyes, but you don't think allofmp3 should exist either. Hate to break it to you, but the US is only 5% of the world population, and about 90% of the non-us peoples DON'T particularly like us. -- Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 100mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs. | |
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That brings up the real problem with buying an island and declaring yourself a nation: Nations can protect themselves, or they quickly become part of OTHER nations. Sealand (or Pirate Bay, etc.) can claim all they want. They'd quickly suffer Cheap Suit Syndrome when more established nations come calling. | |
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| Re: . said by tapeloop :said by Anonuser :They could also raise donations to build a nuculer reactor, and be set for life. At which point they'd be invaded simultaneously by both Iran and North Korea. I doubt they'll feel the need what with America being so good at arming her enemies herself. | |
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