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cork1958
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1 edit | Re: Good luck....if this is true. But, like was stated, why didn't she turn the monitor off, pull the plug, or something? Sounds to me likes she's going to be SOL!
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| said by Nightfall  :Course, schools can't hire good IT people due to their financial constraints.  More likely, due to their incompetent and conniving school boards which are training grounds for con men and future politicians (as if there were a difference).
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by footballdude :said by Nightfall :Course, schools can't hire good IT people due to their financial constraints. More likely, due to their incompetent and conniving school boards which are training grounds for con men and future politicians (as if there were a difference). ... and with an Ann Coulter quote. I now fully appreciate cognitive dissonance 
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cableties
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| said by footballdude :said by Nightfall :Course, schools can't hire good IT people due to their financial constraints. More likely, due to their incompetent and conniving school boards which are training grounds for con men and future politicians (as if there were a difference). Don't forget sexual deviants (been plenty in last year)...Female teachers with 15 yr olds, Male teachers with 16 yr olds, VP's wife with student, ...
But honestly, the catty nature of the school administration and it's "mired tenure of dysfunctional teachers" leads one to believe, it could be a setup.
Oh, and that post about Corp Antivirus from Symantec isn't free to schools. And it doesn't do much to protect you "actively" from spyware and malware (you have to be diligent and use another layer, and what about proxy server??).
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Titus Pullo
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. School systems don't exist in a vacuum, and they're not some form of solitary ecosystem. At best our primary education system is a reflection of the society it serves, no more or no less. The boards may be corrupt, but that didn't happen overnight: we have a new generation of employees, both administrators and teachers, that now come from a dysfunctional generation. Add gender issues, open sexuality, and a sex sells media, and these stories will soon be commonplace. Our school system began going to hell full-force in the 80s.
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. Having graduated HS in 82, I consider myself a product of 70s public education. In my opinion, it went down hill in the 70s and continued in the 80s.
I have three kids and from personal experience, today's public education is better than my education. My kids are learning skills about three years ahead of when I learned them.
Even though I believe the academics are better, some things are worse. It's unfortunate that today's public schools believe they have to teach kids sex, green issues and health. Just the other day my wife sent a cereal bar with my older boys and the teacher would not let them eat it because it was not nutritious. That's B.S. I can understand putting boundaries with respect to sugar content (might lead to behavior issues) and a "mess factor" (don't want something that makes a huge mess in the classroom) but nutrition? I think that's ridiculous and they should spend their time worrying about a lot more important things. Granted, Americans have a weight problem but my oldest boy is in the 10th percentile for weight and my middle boy is in the 25th percentile for weight.
Why do today's schools believe they are format for social engineering? It reminds of "right of first night" from the Middle Ages. If they won't conform, we'll breed it out of them. In this case, we'll teach it out of them. | |
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. Good points all, but public education is a relative experience both geographically and socioeconomically ... in my opinion, of course  and there's always exception to any rule. From the perspective of an instructor, some systems nose dived a good twenty-five to thirty years ago, so we're close enough.
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by Mchart :The reason sex education exists is because some parents refuse to tell their kids how those things work. Then said kids go and have sex, and have a kid. Gee, I wonder why. If you don't like sex education you can opt your kid out. However, I hope you dont keep your kid in the dark, or you may end up with a kid who has a kid at the age of 14. I guess you didn't goto school anytime before the 60's. If you did, you would realize that that statement applied more back then, then it does now. We've already had to have the birds and bees talk with our 10 year old (5th grade). I think that's too young but we overheard him making statements to our 8 year old about the subject that were completely wrong. We know he did not get them from TV because we do not allow him to watch even PG shows without us. We assumed he received it from class mates and rather than have him running around with incorrect information, we laid down the truth about his genitals, the Easter bunny and Santa. It was surprising how wrong his sex knowledge was.
Regarding going to school in the 60s -- no, I'm not quite that old. I was in Kindergarten in '69 but the only thing I remember is some of the kids getting spanked by Mrs. Smith -- which of course is not allowed today. | |
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Mchart
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. You assumed right, he most likely did receive it from class mates who probally don't watch only PG content daily, and see a myriad of advertisements promoting all sorts of behavior. Yet for some reason you decide to point the finger at the teacher. Lots of people like pointing the finger at the teacher, its easier then dealing with your own kid. | |
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DreamWraith
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. I am sorry, but where exactly did he point the finger at the teacher? The only "pointing of the finger" that happened was in his first post, where he stated that the teacher did not allow his child to consume said cereal bar.
Thats hardly "pointing a finger", thats merely recounting an event.
And as you said yourself, he "assumed right". The child "most likely did receive it from class mates".
So again, where is he "pointing the finger at the teacher"? | |
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| said by Mchart :You assumed right, he most likely did receive it from class mates who probally don't watch only PG content daily, and see a myriad of advertisements promoting all sorts of behavior. Yet for some reason you decide to point the finger at the teacher. Lots of people like pointing the finger at the teacher, its easier then dealing with your own kid. AMEN to that! People are just plain lazy when it comes to sleuthing out the real causes. They like to blame it on anything but the problem. Classic example of why we are all screwed. Denial is the most dangerous thing our society has to deal with right about now. | |
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2 edits | I remember being in 6th grade back in the 70's when a teacher said to the class "If you see your little brother playing with himself, do you think it is ok? It's ok he is only exploring"
The schools have been going downhill for a long time. Because there are educators not teaching, but preaching and indoctrinating the students from their political soapboxes
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Private means exactly that - PRIVATE.
Yes that is correct, but there are people on the "left" that want to shove their sexual preferences in your face every day and cry out to the world "look at me I am gay"
Remember when Ellen DeGeneres came out of the closet and announced to the world that she is gay for a whole week on her tv show to the point that Elton John made a comment "give it a rest already" | |
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Greensburg, PA
| Unfortunately us teachers have to watch what kids bring in to school to eat because there are many parents that do not. Also certain states are holding schools to certain nutritional standards as well and it is the teacher's duty to make sure that they are being met. It's unfortunate that when I ask some of my students (3rd & 4th graders) what they have for breakfast the common reply is "pop tarts", "a slice of cake" or some other sugar filled product.
It stinks that things are the way they are but you can thank lawsuit happy parents and "No Child Left Behind" for some of the mess we are in. | |
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by mccarltone :Also certain states are holding schools to certain nutritional standards as well and it is the teacher's duty to make sure that they are being met. I thought this was with respect to the lunch program. If the school doesn't have vending machines and the school lunch program meets the guidelines, I cannot believe that the teacher/school is accountable for what the child brings from home. | |
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DreamWraith
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. They aren't, and that the above poster would suggest that they are is pure FUD. The most a teacher can do in such a situation, if the teacher had some thought that the parent was causing serious health problems because of the lunch the child was eating, is report it to the local social services. | |
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winky
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Saint Louis, MO
| "today's public schools believe they have to teach..." Not only do they believe it but because they accept federal money they have too. My wife was looking through a box of markers today and mentioned that she needed some Multicultural Markers. I just gave her a puzzled look as she explained that they were colors for drawing different races of people. I told her to make sure she picked up an Scottish one just for me. (is Asian a color?)You are probably aware of the politically correct wording of federal mandates concerning curriculum, social atmosphere, and what the government thinks should be added to the general programs of any school in order to produce better citizens. Required minimums for technology, nutrition, drug programs, social awareness, and the like are easily recognizable on the surface as good things but will often contain aspects that a local community will disagree with. The public at large complains about obesity(nutritional awareness), academic standing with other countries (no child left behind and standardized testing), illegal drugs(DARE program), poor individual performance (gifted programs remedial programs, behavior programs, inclusion programs), and bingo, you get a federal mandate. It's getting to the point (has been for a long time) that the average kid is just along for the ride. My wife mentioned the other day that the school where she teaches is known as dumping ground (I'm sure there's a better term) for behavior disorders, english as second language kids, and handicapped children with attendants who just hang out in the classroom. If the parents of average kids knew the type and amount of time spent dealing with the problems these others create, it would be nothing short of armed insurrection. Swinging around to the original topic, the district where I live pays out the a** for techs considering their performance and what they do. It's a frickin joke. The kids used to come home from school and at least several times a week delight in telling me new work arounds for the web filters and denied directories in place at school. It's my sincere wish that this teacher gets off scott free and is awarded a rump load of compensatory damages. It's obvious to me that a lawyer with an average IT guy with decent experience for an expert witness could put this district and it's self absorbed school board out of it's misery. | |
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| said by cableties :Don't forget sexual deviants (been plenty in last year)...Female teachers with 15 yr olds, Male teachers with 16 yr olds, VP's wife with student, ... No morals, an I.Q that matches her shoe size, public schools with a very liberal socialist agenda. Removal of prayer from school, teaching sex-ed, promotion of alternative lifestyles (homosexual-ism). The motto of wear a condom, during sex , lack of teaching to refrain from sexual activity.
She got caught surfing for porn on taxpayers money, good, shit can her, revoke her bubble gum diploma. There is no excuse for this behavior, she should know better.
It's no wonder, Johnny can't read or write and at best is limited to Verizon math. With the school system so f**ked up from top to bottom, the kids do not stand much of a chance of a honest education these days.
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1 edit | Re: Good luck....if this is true. First off, there is never promotion of alternative lifestyles. Homesexuals are still treated like crap at any public school. And if you are suggesting that they should be treated like crap, or ridiculed your a biggot.
Second, do you actually beleive that removing prayer from school equates to deviant behavior? Give me a break. The only thing prayer does in a public school is subject people who arent that religion to humiliation.
Third, have you ever witnessed a sex ed class? Their number one priority is to make sure the kids dont have sex. They scare kids with the STD thing beyond beleif.
The motto of wear a condom during sex is better then remaining ignorent to the fact that kids will have sex anyways. Would you rather tell the kids to wear a condom, or tell them nothing at all? That seems to be your attitude. | |
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. I went to sex ed 6 times, would have been more if I hadnt dropped out. In AK they started when i was in 5th grade. Lets just say I was too scared to have sex untill my hormones took control of my decision making process. "Maybe I shouldnt" turned into "Does she have a pulse?"
Hell, when i was in HS in the mid 90's I refused to say the anthem because of the "under God" part. KIDS DONT WANT PRAYERS IN SCHOOL. Even some of the kids wearing crosses refused to stand. I dont think they should BAN prayer from school, I just dont think they should devote school rescources to it or make it mandatory. If you're a Christian/Jew/Buddhist/Muslim/Hindu/ whatever, go ahead and and read your holy book, pray quietly to yourself or with a small group of like minded individuals, THATS WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS ABOUT. Just dont go and tell me that I HAVE to help pay for your prayer group through my taxes because you think it should be school funded. If I wanted to pay for your spiritual education, I'd donate to your church.
And uh, yeah, if you think promoting diversity and tolerance by allowing kids to be openly gay is "promoting homosexuality", then you ARE a bigot, no ifs, ands or buts. And like the above poster said, they still get rediculed into the ground, so at least you can feel warm and fuzzy about that.
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1 edit | Re: Good luck....if this is true. Nevermind | |
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| said by Boogeyman :And uh, yeah, if you think promoting diversity and tolerance by allowing kids to be openly gay is "promoting homosexuality", then you ARE a bigot, no ifs, ands or buts. And like the above poster said, they still get rediculed into the ground, so at least you can feel warm and fuzzy about that. Being called a bigot, for what ever reason or for not accepting homosexuality, does not hurt me. In fact, one does not have to worry about me. Rather worry what GOD has said about homosexuality in the Bible. King James Version: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination". No other explanation is needed or accepted. TYVM
Quite simply it boils down to this. There is really no such thing as homophobia. It is a false concept created by the gay community to smear the healthy aversion to a unnatural and disgusting deviancy."
You do realize your statements put a hole in, and knocked back the so called, theory of evolution a few centuries?
Since the dawning of creation, man only evolved into homo's? I guess the animal kingdom (being so 1900's) will need a few million additional eons to become just as evolved to accept and practice homosexuality. 
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by guitarzan :Quite simply it boils down to this. There is really no such thing as homophobia. It is a false concept created by the gay community to smear the healthy aversion to a unnatural and disgusting deviancy." Strange... Homoesexuality appears in nature everywhere... Primates, ducks, birds, bats, beetles... Sorry, but its as natural as heterosexuality.
»news.nationalgeographic.com/news···mal.html
Not as prevalent, true, but just as natural.
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guitarzan
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by bmn :Strange... Homoesexuality appears in nature everywhere... Primates, ducks, birds, bats, beetles... Sorry, but its as natural as heterosexuality. » news.nationalgeographic.com/news···mal.htmlNot as prevalent, true, but just as natural. Wow, that is strange. Thanks for the link, i did see one quote of interest though.
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Yet scientists say we should be wary of referring to animals when considering what's acceptable in human society.
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1 edit | Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by guitarzan :Wow, that is strange. Thanks for the link, i did see one quote of interest though. quote:
Yet scientists say we should be wary of referring to animals when considering what's acceptable in human society.
Ahh, yes, of course, using their opinion... That would be a classical appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. Science doesn't make value judgments. The article merely states that homosexuality is natural and that is the whole point of my post, to counter your incorrect claim that homosexuality is unnatural.
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lm5449
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Knoxville, TN | Re: Good luck....if this is true. Where is Sparta. I forgot it is gone. | |
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tapeloop
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by Mchart :said by lm5449 : Where is Sparta. I forgot it is gone. I refer to ancient Sparta/Lacedaemon. ...and not Sparta, Mississippi, but that could work in a stretch.
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| You lost your credibility when you spewed your communist, pro-terrorist, anti-christianity rant. All your trashing of Christians shows that you really want to get rid of Christianity because it is the greatest threat to the left wing belief in turning America into a communist country. The only good communist is a dead one! | |
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4 edits | Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by houselog442 :You lost your credibility when you spewed your communist, pro-terrorist, anti-christianity rant. All your trashing of Christians shows that you really want to get rid of Christianity because it is the greatest threat to the left wing belief in turning America into a communist country. The only good communist is a dead one! Because obviously, if you critisize christianity *at all* you MUST be a communist AND a terrorist.
LMAO, You just made the most memorable post I have ever seen on dslreports. Tis a keeper. Are you like the ghost of senator McCarthy or something? Also, I don't see how treating homosexuals like equal human beings equates to terrorism and communism. Of course, you dont even know what the words terrorism and communism mean - You just simply throw them around since they are aparently scary things to you.
Remember kids! Anyone who isnt a strict christian must be a pervert of COMMUNISM, and most importantly TERRORISM. Make sure to run to your house and lock your doors!
"The only good communist is a dead one!"
Wait, woah, hold up. You say you are christian, right? Then whats with that? | |
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1 edit | said by houselog442 :You lost your credibility when you spewed your communist, pro-terrorist, anti-christianity rant. Interesting... Nowhere in post that you responded to did support for terrorism ever appear to be hinted at nor did the poster state that he or she was a communist. What drugs are you taking that would make statements of fact into pro-terrorist, communist rantings ?
The only good communist is a dead one!
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by bmn :said by houselog442 :The only good communist is a dead one! Hehe, he is right, you know. (And I say that despite growing up in a communist country.) | |
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guitarzan
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| said by Mchart :You immediatly lost all credibility the moment you pulled out the word 'God' and cited the 'Bible' as your reference. Does not bother me, that you think I lost all credibility, by saying GOD. However, you just increased credibility of warnings in the Holy Bible
»www.pre-trib.org/pdf/Ice-LastDaysMockers.pdf
said by Mchart :You do realize that spartan society was almost completely homosexual, correct? You do realize that it was more then acceptable to be homosexual before modern Christianity took place, correct? No such thing as homophobia? You are showing it right now. You are scared of homosexuals, its glaringly obvious. Answer, do not really care. Homophobia? Pfft, I'm not scared of any human being.
You have a problem with homosexuality, not me. This is the problem, it disturbs you that I reject homosexuality, do not accept nor tolerate it. What one generation will tolerate, the next will embrace.
»www.gracethrufaith.com/ikvot/sev···d-coming
»www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21···,00.html
»www.somarkinnovations.com/Files/···DInk.pdf
Cue the son of perdition. . .
»www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php
»www.billingsgazette.net/articles···dome.txt
»www.rapturealert.com/2006/121806···tone.asp
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sivran
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guitarzan
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| Re: Good luck....if this is true. said by sivran :This is DSLR, not slashdot. You're supposed to RTFA. I did RTFA, guess you missed my first post. | |
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00000 | They just have to ask the jury how they get the same types of pop ups on their computers at home. They will understand how quick that stuff just "appears" on their computers. | |
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Mr Anon
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| Oh you said corp, heh, I though you were going to say their software in general because I'd tell you about the 20G we just dropped on Enterprise, it was a bidding process fro vendors though, not directly from symantec, don't know if thats possible or cheaper (we can't we are forced to bid)
Anywho, I've found it to do an OK job and things, maybe its alot better at stopping infections then finding and cleanin them, which is A OK in my book because there are many free tools todo this I consider AntiSpy a plus anyway.
I do have an actual free standing though though. | |
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| said by Nightfall :On a side note, doesn't Norton practically give their corporate edition antivirus away to schools? I know a lot of low income schools that have this software because of the almost free cost. The new version does a decent job at spyware protection. I have heard of other companies offering educational discounts for spyware protection like Spysweeper. Course, schools can't hire good IT people due to their financial constraints. Most companies offer substantial discounts to educational institutions for their software. The problem is, as you have pointed out though, without the appropriate staffing, you can't really support the security software. It always needs to be upgraded and updated and occasionally you have to go and clean an infected system off by hand. A lot of that can be automated, but you still need someone who can handle the management of the software.
It sounds like this person gotten bitten in the ass by something that totally wasn't her fault and is going to pay for it. Unfortunately, it is probable that the community won't back her because she LOOKS guilty since most people don't understand how all of this technical stuff works.
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| Guitarzan, no one asked or cares if you condemn homosexuality (you might be a little less binary if one of your kids was gay). As long as homosexual behavior, like other sexual behavior is consensual and private, it is not the government's or anyone else's place to intrude. Private means exactly that - PRIVATE. If you think it's wrong, then it's wrong for you. Other than that, it isn't yours to judge. In your own lingo, forgiveness is the job of humans; judgement, the job of God. | |
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viperpa33s
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| Unbelievable Getting 40 years for having malware on a computer that was clearly not her fault is unbelievable. You have to wonder where are the prosecutors heads in cases like these. This woman's life and career is ruined because of some stupid prosecutor and judge.
I guess we need to prosecute all the parents to 40 years in jail who got porn on there computer by no fault of there own.
Funny the schools are teaching sex education, teaching the kids how to have sex, handing out condoms and birth control but prosecute a teacher cause the kids were exposed to a couple of pictures for maybe about a minute tops.
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| | AquaBlaze
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| Re: Unbelievable said by viperpa33s :Getting 40 years for having malware on a computer that was clearly not her fault is unbelievable. You have to wonder where are the prosecutors heads in cases like these. This woman's life and career is ruined because of some stupid prosecutor and judge. I personally feel that the school district is allowing this to happen, as it takes the focus away. The real problem though is the district's IT department and setting up internet access to the kids in such an irresponsible manner.
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Jason Levine
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| I hope the teacher wins on appeal Based on what the articles say, she was a substitute teacher in one class. She tried to use the computer, got a bunch of popups and couldn't get rid of them. She talked with several teachers and the principal but claims to have not gotten any help. Meanwhile, 10 kids saw the graphic images and likely reported it to their parents.
Now, my wife is a 6th and 8th grade teacher (in an all-girl's Catholic school no less) teaching science and language arts. Parents will complain about much less than accidental viewing of pornographic images. They will also attempt to hold the teacher responsible 100% for whatever happens. (Even if the kid is being punished due to bad behavior. After all, their precious little one can't possibly be bad. The teacher must be out to get them.) So the kids likely told the parents, the parents went to the principal and/or reported it to the police directly. Cue a simple case of spyware infestation turning into a life destroying case.
But where did the spyware come from? It could have been from the teacher, but considering that she was a substitute, it could also have been from the usual teacher, a kid, the school's IT guy or virtually anyone else who had access to that system.
It could have also been an accidental mistyping. Once, years ago, I tried to go to Barnes and Noble's website by typing in barnesnnoble.com. Unfortunately, their website was barnesandnoble.com. Barnesnnoble.com was a porn site at the time. Upon seeing the naked images, I quickly closed the browser window. (I was new to the office and in any event didn't want to be looking at that stuff at work. This was also in the pre-popup blocker era.)
Unfortunately, the site opened a new window when I closed the first one and loaded more graphic images. So I closed that one and another popped up. I started getting more and more nervous that my boss would walk in. Finally, I managed to close a window before it loaded the JavaScript code that it needed to keep popping more windows up.
Had my computer's security been weak enough, that series of pop-ups could have installed spyware onto my computer to keep showing me graphic images.
School's are notorious for not having the best computer setups. They did have content filtering software, but it was expired. The same was probably true for any anti-virus software that the computer had. In additions, the IE settings were probably very weak. Given all that, spyware could slip in without anyone even noticing. (Until the porn popups start, after all.)
Thinking like a novice user, the reaction upon seeing an unwanted pop-up is to close it, not shut the computer down. After doing this a dozen or so times, she might have even tried to turn the computer off via Start->Shut Down but spyware can slow the computer down to the point that shutting down takes too long. Or perhaps her lesson was based around the computer itself and she figured that she would press through it as best she could.
In any event, she shouldn't be sent to prison for 40 years over a spyware infestation. The spyware authors, maybe, but not some substitute teacher who was unfortunate enough to encounter a spyware infestation in class. | |
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major marco
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| Re: I hope the teacher wins on appeal said by Jason Levine :In any event, she shouldn't be sent to prison for 40 years over a spyware infestation. The spyware authors, maybe, but not some substitute teacher who was unfortunate enough to encounter a spyware infestation in class. Assuming the Defendant retains competent legal counsel, then everything you just stated here will serve as reasonable doubt to defend against the 40 yrs sentence. The D.A.s office is obviously looking to make a career here by making an example of the substitute teacher.
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| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | 2 keys, Alt-F4, just keep holding that down till the avalance will go away. | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| Re: I hope the teacher wins on appeal said by patcat88 :2 keys, Alt-F4, just keep holding that down till the avalance will go away. Of course, nowadays I browse with FireFox complete with its built-in pop-up blocker so that kind of site can't bother me anymore. | |
| WirelessMajr
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College Place, WA
| hmnmm While it is entirely possible for spyware to cause the problem, one would think that the school would have proper measures in place to prevent this sort of thing.
Many schools utilize a content filtering system, and it works. Furthermore, any business that is running computers without any type of malware protection is just stupid. | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY | Re: hmnmm They had a content filtering system, but it had expired. Given that, is it any wonder that they wouldn't have measures in place to prevent spyware infestations? | |
| | AquaBlaze
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| said by WirelessMajr :While it is entirely possible for spyware to cause the problem, one would think that the school would have proper measures in place to prevent this sort of thing. Many schools utilize a content filtering system, and it works. Furthermore, any business that is running computers without any type of malware protection is just stupid. You haven't been to many schools, have you? Many have cover-all software, but the computers are individually so ill-maintained and setup, it renders the protection moot. Many districts treat computers akin to toasters - just fill the order and forget it.
For example, using a condom properly helps prevent STDs. Simply having one, however, won't help much if they tear it open with their teeth and ruin it. | |
| EAP
join:2000-01-15
Lafayette Hill, PA
| What is the harm ? Everyone misses the point. The person was convicted of this:
"risk of injury to a minor, or impairing the morals of a child."
That is such BS. I have yet to see proof of ANY harm (or impairing anything) to anyone, regardless of age, from viewing pictures. The whole thing is laughable.
This is simply a matter of hysterical moralists, conducting a witch hunt. Those who are most upset about their "children" viewing such material, are simply putting their own twisted views into the minds of the children who supposedly looked at the stuff.
There is no assumption that simple accidental viewing of nudity or depictions of sex viewed by children will cause:
1. them to explode
2. deviant behavior now or in the future
3. perverted acts now or in the future
4. "loss of innocence" (whatever that is)
5. paralysis
So to even get hyped up about it is just ridiculous. Oh, the kid saw a porno picture --- Sooooooooooo what!
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asdfdfdfdf
@Level3.net
| Another example of good intentions run amok... I don't understand why these things are allowed to get out of control or why people aren't able to take context into account.
This speculation about "why didn't she just pull the power plug" is foolish. A woman shouldn't be given years of prison time because she didn't have the presence of mind to instantaneously come up with the ideal solution.
The pertinent question should be does anyone really believe that this woman went into a public classroom, to teach a group full of students, and intentionally exposed them to porn? Predators are secretive about their activities. They don't go into open public places and prey on children before groups of people.
I'm all in favor of protecting children and I'm not much of a fan of liberal attitudes toward rampant porn in the culture, but this sort of thing just makes americans look like a bunch of hysterical nutters. | |
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MisterMarcus
join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
| I think That the "possible" jail time is ridiculous BECAUSE, depending on the grade level (I didn't read any of the articles), the kids probably have already done something...the way kids are nowadays, they're experimenting younger and younger. It happened, suspend the teacher and move on. | |
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| Re: I think It was 7th grade, so the kids were likely 12 or 13 years old. Unfortunately, this means that some of the kids probably have experimented. (I'd Google for some studies on when teens are starting to experiment, but I'm at work and I'm afraid of what sites might come up if my search terms include the words "teen" and "sex". ) | |
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ohmadonna
@verizon.net | sing it with me teach the children well and let them lead the way..
show them all the...., er.. what were the words again? | |
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rob_in_chatt
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Chattanooga, TN | teachers i want to know why my teachers were no where near as hot as pam rogers and the other one in fla that was screwing around. i would have been so attentive in class LOL | |
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major marco
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Stepford, CA
clubs: | Not Surprising This is what happens when technology exceeds teacher tech savvy and the school board throws the teacher under the bus for something s/he knew absolutely nothing about. | |
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Mr Anon
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| Hmm... Actually I know of some spyware that does this, so far I haven't found a program thats associated with it but there is something that changes home pages to sites that then when ran either directly display a fake warning page that shows porn images and says something like this is whats on your computer get out cleaner blah blah blah. The other one kicks you to another page or a varity of pages that do the same thing, thus you go looking for that url and can't find it.
I've blocked the pages, the leading pages but I can't find the sites that do that to them or any programs. Our filter (a barracuda 410) hasn't discovered these sites yet. So besides the other things I've seen, there is something thats on alright or typo squatting sites that will do something.
I get calls from scared teachers and principals and I check it out ASAP.
For everyone's sake I hope this is what happened and that something good comes out of stopping junk like this from happening. | |
| | dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Hmm... said by Mr Anon :
Actually I know of some spyware that does this, so far I haven't found a program thats associated with it but there is something that changes home pages to sites that then when ran either directly display a fake warning page that shows porn images and says something like this is whats on your computer get out cleaner blah blah blah. The other one kicks you to another page or a varity of pages that do the same thing, thus you go looking for that url and can't find it. There were some variants of CoolWebSearch that would do this (just as a starting point of course - there are many others). I've had to deal with trying to remove those at work.
www.goggle.com was one of the mistyped sites that was infecting people at the time. Haven't checked to see if it still lives or not. | |
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Packeteers
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Forest Hills, NY
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| major benefit of doubt here as someone who has personally cleaned off hundreds of computers of worms, trogens, and viruses, I would gladly testify under oath that such a thing can easily happen, and someone innocently looking at an appropriate sight, can be hyper jumped away and have their machine taken over and filled with porn on the hard drive and screen. I'm amazed this case even made it past a grand jury and had merit to go to trial. just goes to show you how computer illiterate our legal officials still are. at my office one of the worst cases of porn infestation I've seen was of a Charlie Church type guy with 5 teenage children that I have known for 10 years, his favorite TV show is "Seventh Heaven" and there is no way he'd troll for porn even as a joke, and certainly not at work for that matter. Thankfully his machine exploded with porn in a private office, not a public library or school, or a bunch of republican church ladies would have thrown him in the pokey and lost the key. | |
| | gwkimbal
join:2007-01-15
Pasadena, CA
| Re: major benefit of doubt here said by Packeteers :as someone who has personally cleaned off hundreds of computers of worms, trogens, and viruses, I would gladly testify under oath that such a thing can easily happen, It doesn't end there. The links she supposedly clicked on may have been camouflaged - I've had this happen many times, both with intrusive porn and with other iffy sites (gambling, drugs from overseas). The tag (html) isn't the same as the URL! I've also had the experience of one of those 'loops' - it literally put up ~100 windows before I could stop it - and I'm a programmer and I wasn't freaking out at the time.
This whole case is a stupid crock. Based on what is in that article, the charges are simply unprovable - what, did they put a bunch of southern Baptists on the jury? What a waste of time and resources - there are real criminals out there fgs. You can start with the producers of porn sites with intrusive code. | |
| MeKuN
join:2004-07-21
Eugene, OR
| Inoccent or guilty? People have already made up there minds she didn't do it? It will be real easy to see if its a virri or not. We don't know if its intentional or not. Cant people get all the facts before making judgments one way or the other or are we just sheep of the media? | |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| Re: Inoccent or guilty? Here's a question:
What exactly is wrong with a little boy seeing a naked woman
or a little girl seeing a naked man?
Our society has become so hung up on protecting our children from this so called "obscene" material. I mean, children at very young ages have natural hormones (sometimes raging) and strong curiosities embedded in their genetic makeup. Why does society want to oppress these curiosities instead of educating. Just look at the whole Janet Jackson BOOB fiasco. The American prudes were up in arms and they wanted heads lopped off because of that incident.
Last night, my wife and I were watching the reality show, Beauty and the geek. One of the challenges was that the guys had to use charcoal and draw a naked model that was in front of them. At the end of the challenge they showed the TV audience each drawing, and what do you think they did? That's right, they blurred a charcoal drawing of a naked woman. WTF is wrong with society?
Now I'll ask my question again:
What exactly is wrong with a little boy seeing a naked woman
or a little girl seeing a naked man?
And I dont want your predictable answer to be "It's just wrong" or " we don't want to corrupt our children".
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An Atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said.
An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
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| | | MrBentor
join:2003-02-18
Seattle, WA | Re: Inoccent or guilty? Don't forget...
...that you are guilty until proven innocent. | |
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nirvansk815
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| Maybe because children aren't ready to fully comprehend the "education" you speak of? Worse, maybe they simply don't care... kind of like a 4 year old not getting their way... they don't care if you educate them how crying solves nothing. I think I understand your point, but I think there's a very fine line between what children should and shouldn't know because every child is at a different intelligence/maturity level making parents' decisions on when, or when not to tell "the whole picture" subjective to each individual child. Furthermore, you have the issue compounded when you have un-educated parents who either: also don't give a damn, or parents who do, but don't know who to trust, or where to turn so they do what everyone else does... the current fad of parenting, or turn back to their religion for guidance, all of which may be worse for any given child... I just think this is a very complex issue that has no easy solution; so many variables to consider.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | How is this a felony? So they are in seventh grade? That shouldn't make this a felony. In two-three years(possibly already) when these kids start screwing like rabbits, how is it going to be justified that she still be in jail? | |
| matt5
join:2001-10-06
Lagrangeville, NY
| Proxy What happened to the proxy server? I know around here the high school blocks about 99% of the internet. If the word breast is on the website it’s blocked, be it porn or cancer. Even eBay is blocked and mlb.com etc.
She could go on popups and say the school should have done something to secure the computer.
As for all this OT junk. The U.S.A. was founded under god. Don't like it leave. Choice is also what it is founded under. Let their be prayer, if you don't want to say it, you don’t need to. What about those who want to pray, should they not be allowed to because others don’t? How is this now fair? | |
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hyzmarca
@alltel.net
| We'll need more prisions If they start putting people in jail for looking at porn they're going to need to build bigger jails. Hell, they'd practically need to wall of New York and turn it into a penal colony like in that John Carpenter movie.
I find it difficult to believe that they'll be able to convict because it would be nearly impossible to find twelve people who've never look at porn. | |
| ffink20001
join:2002-12-18
Norwich, CT
| false jail time This is funny cause I read the article in the bulletin two weeks ago as I am a Norwich resident and was thinking this teacher is innocent and the investigator was a complete idiot in his field.
Am I right to assume if spyware caused the porn site to pop up but it wasent physically clicked the site would still appear highlighted like it was clicked right? Because I remember when I did warez sites many moons ago all sorts of shit would be highlighted. Plus lets remember this is a networked environment who knows whats been put on these computer as kids are smart these days | |
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USA
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| Re: false jail time Probaly, because it shows that the link has been opened.
I worked on my teachers computer 2 years ago in class, she said that some porn popups popped up and she wanted rid of it. It had a bunch of spyware and virus's on it.
She may be telling the truth and dident go to it. My teacher dident go to it and it just popped up on her.
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| gwkimbal
join:2007-01-15
Pasadena, CA
| Is this charade for real? "as someone who has personally cleaned off hundreds of computers of worms, trogens, and viruses, I would gladly testify under oath that such a thing can easily happen"
It doesn't end there. The links she supposedly clicked on may have been camouflaged - I've had this happen many times, both with intrusive porn and with other iffy sites (gambling, drugs from overseas). The tag (html) isn't the same as the URL!
I've also had the experience of one of those 'loops' - it literally put up ~100 windows before I could stop it - and I'm a programmer and I wasn't freaking out at the time.
This whole case is a stupid crock. Based on what is in that article, the charges are simply unprovable - what, did they put a bunch of southern Baptists on the jury? What a waste of time and resources - there are real criminals out there fgs. You can start with the producers of porn sites with intrusive code. | |
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ZZ
@kpylaajakaista.net
1 edit |  Re: Inoccent or guilty?
What exactly is wrong with a little boy seeing a naked woman
or a little girl seeing a naked man?
Our society has become so hung up on protecting our children from this so called "obscene" material. I mean, children at very young ages have natural hormones (sometimes raging) and strong curiosities embedded in their genetic makeup. Why does society want to oppress these curiosities instead of educating. Just look at the whole Janet Jackson BOOB fiasco. The American prudes were up in arms and they wanted heads lopped off because of that incident.
Last night, my wife and I were watching the reality show, Beauty and the geek. One of the challenges was that the guys had to use charcoal and draw a naked model that was in front of them. At the end of the challenge they showed the TV audience each drawing, and what do you think they did? That's right, they blurred a charcoal drawing of a naked woman. WTF is wrong with society?
Now I'll ask my question again:
What exactly is wrong with a little boy seeing a naked woman
or a little girl seeing a naked man?
And I dont want your predictable answer to be "It's just wrong" or " we don't want to corrupt our children"."
I'M with this guy, whether or not she did it on purpose... why the fuck is this kind of thing on trial?????????????? and who has taken it there... why should she do time??? even firing her would be exaggeration... suspend maybe. and i don't believe a second that those kids were harmed in anyway... I was only about 4 years old when I found my brothers porn mags... I looked at them... often, even with my friends who were the same age... i wasn't affected by any-means... i think and I'm quite positive that my friends weren't either. In fact few months ago my ,almost 3 years old, son was reading porn mags which his older cousins had accidentally found under their dads bed...(of course we took them away from them)and I'm not the least concerned for my sons nor my nephews' mental health... and neither should the parents of those children who were "exposed".
And judging from the articles what i have read about this case the teacher is innocent... and the jury that has judged her should be shot (not to be taken seriously).
I sincerely hope that the judge who's working on the conviction has more common sense, and to let this teacher off with a warning... this kind of a idiotic behavior, to sue this teacher in the first place and not to handle it between the parents and the teacher, makes my blood boil..
excuse me for my bad english... 'cause it isn't my native language, nor do i live in the "States" | |
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