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Gilbert, AZ | Excellent! So which label will be next? | |
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trparky
Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
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Cleveland, OH
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1 edit | Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? Obviously they haven't seen this web site.
But, even if they do offer non-DRMed music on the Internet, what will stop Joe Sixpack from giving that MP3 file to his buddy? | |
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Super Joe
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| Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? said by trparky  :Obviously they haven't seen this web site. But, even if they do offer non-DRMed music on the Internet, what will stop Joe Sixpack from giving that MP3 file to his buddy? Joe Sixpack doesnt even know how to give said MP3 file to his buddy. | |
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Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
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| Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? said by Mchart :said by trparky :Obviously they haven't seen this web site. But, even if they do offer non-DRMed music on the Internet, what will stop Joe Sixpack from giving that MP3 file to his buddy? Joe Sixpack doesnt even know how to give said MP3 file to his buddy. Man are you cynical.
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Super Joe
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Gurnee, IL
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| Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? said by trparky :said by Mchart :said by trparky :Obviously they haven't seen this web site. But, even if they do offer non-DRMed music on the Internet, what will stop Joe Sixpack from giving that MP3 file to his buddy? Joe Sixpack doesnt even know how to give said MP3 file to his buddy. Man are you cynical. Its true. Do you know a single 'average joe' american who actually knows how to share a file online? | |
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GilbertMark
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Gilbert, AZ
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| Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? said by Mchart :Its true. Do you know a single 'average joe' american who actually knows how to share a file online? He's right, the typical computer owner is a moron. Always has been, and usually always will be. It's only those with a brain and who try to learn new things by reading and thinking who get anywhere with a computer. These are the same people who still have a flashing "12:00" on their damn VCR.
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| Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? said by GilbertMark :the typical computer owner is a moron. Always has been, and usually always will be. It's only those with a brain and who try to learn new things by reading and thinking who get anywhere with a computer. These are the same people who still have a flashing "12:00" on their damn VCR. Yep, non-computer savy people are D-U-M-B dumb. | |
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thender2
Glamour Profession
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Staten Island, NY
1 edit | said by GilbertMark :said by Mchart :Its true. Do you know a single 'average joe' american who actually knows how to share a file online? He's right, the typical computer owner consumer is a moron. Always has been, and usually always will be. It's only those with a brain and who try to learn new things by reading and thinking who get anywhere with a computer. These are the same people who still have a flashing "12:00" on their damn VCR. Corrected. 
They believe a cheap 15 lbs box is a 500 watt receiver. They use composite video to hook up their HDTV. They buy a dell and ejaculate over their cheap pretty LCD and wonder why it dies when their HD goes to 80c because of poor case design. They
There are hobbyists, tweakers, and consumers. You can be all three at once. A consumer with electronics, a tweaker with cars, and a hobbyist for real estate, whatever. But most people are consumers in more areas than hobbyists/tweakers, so they will be idiots and take whatever they're sold, even if it is overpriced, low quality DRMed music.
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yock
TFTC
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| Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? said by thender2 :said by GilbertMark :said by Mchart :Its true. Do you know a single 'average joe' american who actually knows how to share a file online? He's right, the typical computer owner consumer is a moron. Always has been, and usually always will be. It's only those with a brain and who try to learn new things by reading and thinking who get anywhere with a computer. These are the same people who still have a flashing "12:00" on their damn VCR. Corrected. They believe a cheap 15 lbs box is a 500 watt receiver. They use composite video to hook up their HDTV. They buy a dell and ejaculate over their cheap pretty LCD and wonder why it dies when their HD goes to 80c because of poor case design. They There are hobbyists, tweakers, and consumers. You can be all three at once. A consumer with electronics, a tweaker with cars, and a hobbyist for real estate, whatever. But most people are consumers in more areas than hobbyists/tweakers, so they will be idiots and take whatever they're sold, even if it is overpriced, low quality DRMed music. You have a real disdain for non-geeks, don't you?
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thender2
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2 edits | Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? I am an idiot myself in many areas. I'm a mechanic's wet dream, I know nothing about web hosting hosting or modern politics, and would probably not care about any issues effecting any of these areas. Here I am a dumb, educated consumer, not a hobbyist or a tweaker, or someone who has an semi-educated view on the subject.
Consumers won't care, or even notice DRM until it bothers them, and by then it'll be everywhere. It goes for everything. In digital content land, there are far more consumers than other two personality types, which is the point. It's not just people who aren't computer whizzes who won't notice it, it's anyone who is not really going to look into it. It's a boring topic, so I don't blame people for buying whatever and not caring.
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halfband
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Huntsville, AL
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| said by Mchart :Its true. Do you know a single 'average joe' american who actually knows how to share a file online? But if you change that to americans from 12-18 years of age I bet the numbers are pretty high.
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Super Joe
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Gurnee, IL
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| Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? said by halfband :said by Mchart :Its true. Do you know a single 'average joe' american who actually knows how to share a file online? But if you change that to americans from 12-18 years of age I bet the numbers are pretty high. Meh. I know A LOT of people in aforementioned age range that are just as hopeless with computers. | |
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Direct Tech
join:2003-07-10
Gaffney, SC
| Re: Consumer Demand for non-DRM online music? I don't I am 21 years old, and I can do pretty much anything with a computer, being the program websites, fixing peoples computers, removing copy protec... err Ohh wait I would not do that...  I am a gamer and been using PC's since 94 or so. I can easily build my own pc.
I don't know any one of my Generation that does not know how to use a computer and most know how to handle MP3s 
Thought I don't do Mac....
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | That's happening regardless of whether or not they use DRM on music downloads. The fact that many legitimate buyers are getting ticked off with the restrictions put on DRM downloads I think the choice is obvious. | |
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join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY
| said by trparky :Obviously they haven't seen this web site. But, even if they do offer non-DRMed music on the Internet, what will stop Joe Sixpack from giving that MP3 file to his buddy? There is very little stopping Joe Sixpack from sharing his mp3 collection now. | |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Really, nothing. But even with DRMed music, all it takes is one person to crack the DRM and upload the unprotected music to a P2P group. Joe Sixpack might not give it to his friend directly, but his friend would still be able to get a copy.
All DRM does is place a speed bump in the path of the pirates (not a road block like the record companies would like to believe).
Putting DRM on a CD to stop Internet piracy only winds up as a headache for the person who legitimately buys the content and wants to use it in legal manners. (For example, ripping it to MP3 to place on their MP3 player.) | |
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dvd536
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said by trparky :Obviously they haven't seen this web site. But, even if they do offer non-DRMed music on the Internet, what will stop Joe Sixpack from giving that MP3 file to his buddy? The same thing that stops joe from getting the songs in mp3 format on a protected CD. NOTHING!
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jcnj38
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Madisonville, KY
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| RE: CD DRM Several studios recently noted they were "experimenting" with offering music in the unprotected MP3 format to "see if there is consumer demand."
Well, duhhh. How about the millions of us that have a cheapie mp3 player and would like to take our music with us? I pay a monthly fee to a music subscriber and all I can do with it is, listen to it on my computer. I cannot copy it to my mp3 player due to the files being protected.
Wake up industry!!
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Re: RE: CD DRM Theres aways and will be a work around for everything so dont worry. | |
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Boomerang86
Got FUD?
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join:2002-10-18
VampireState
clubs: | What's the point? CD players are going the way of VHS, with iPods and other portable digital music players now the dominant form of personal music enjoyment.
Too little, too late IMHO.
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| Re: What's the point? The good thing about CDs (as opposed to a purchase from iTunes, for example) is that you can rip your audio in your format of choice, at your bitrate of choice, be assured that it will work in your digital music player, and not have any DRM get in your way. Plus, you have a built-in backup in case your digital files get ruined somehow. (e.g. Hard drive crash.) | |
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Mchart
Super Joe
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Gurnee, IL
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| Re: What's the point? said by Jason Levine :The good thing about CDs (as opposed to a purchase from iTunes, for example) is that you can rip your audio in your format of choice, at your bitrate of choice, be assured that it will work in your digital music player, and not have any DRM get in your way. Plus, you have a built-in backup in case your digital files get ruined somehow. (e.g. Hard drive crash.) Not to mention the choices are slim for sites that offer 1.4mbps .wav downloads. I have yet to see a *major* service like itunes offer as high quality as CD downloads. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | take a hint! TAKE A HINT:
BLUE RAY
HD DVD
ARE NEXT???!!! | |
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Gardener
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join:2006-10-19
Burnaby, BC | Another marketing opportunity "Certified DRM-free" - conspicuously on each CD case - perhaps with instructions on how to rip the CD? DVD? HD-DVD? | |
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Kilroy
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join:2002-11-21
Sterling Heights, MI
| Re: Another marketing opportunity said by Gardener :"Certified DRM-free" That's actually a good idea. If you could form a company that does this and charge a nickle a CD you chould make something. I wouldn't trust Sony to certify their own CDs.
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ddurant
join:2001-08-24
Marlborough, MA | "DRM = more money for us! No DRM = more money for us!" "...is considering the broader elimination of DRM as a possible cost savings measure."
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Kilroy
Premium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Sterling Heights, MI
| New Headline First media company with a clue.
It is about time that they realized that they are spending way too much money to temporarily prevent their data from being duplicated. At a minimum they should be able to expect that money to be added to the bottom line. Best case, those of against DRM purchase their products to support this stance.
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EMI Considers Ditching CD DRM