 |  | hottboiinnc
Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
 ·buckeye cable
 ·Time Warner VOIP
 ·1and1
| Re: Does it really matter? I use 2Wire HomePortal/Office Portal products and they come by default secured. Each Portal has a different KeyCode that has be to used to access the Wireless Network. The only way to know the key is to actually look at the portal's bottom and get it. After you can login to it you can change it but htats it.
Kyle | |
| | | AquaBlaze
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: Does it really matter? Granted, yes, the HomePortals have a plus going for them that they have encryption enabled by default. The bad thing is, that unlike any other router/AP, they don't offer WPA support...only the weak 64/128 WEP encryption.
This will keep people out of just "stumbling" into your network...but as I've read security reports, it won't keep anyone out who REALLY wants into your network. At least WPA makes it hard on those kinds of folks to break in. | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
·Comcast
| Re: Does it really matter? said by AquaBlaze  :
This will keep people out of just "stumbling" into your network...but as I've read security reports, it won't keep anyone out who REALLY wants into your network. At least WPA makes it hard on those kinds of folks to break in.
I agree, we all know that true security is more of an oxymoron than a possible practice, but with WIFI, being secure only really necessitates being more secure than your neighbors who are wide open.
I mean, If I really wanted to wardrive a house (and use the connection), I'd just keep driving and find a house that is wide open, rather than try to spend time busting WEP encryption...
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
·Time Warner VOIP
·1and1
| Re: Does it really matter? True.
the company I used to work for had part of an WISP and you could sit out side our offices or within the range of our equipment and access our company files and our printers. Also after they stopped the service the Wireless Network in the office was available like 2 blocks down the street just using Microsoft Networking Hub. Not one person attempted to access our network or anything. Yes I know that cause i checked the Admin Page all the time. All of the people that came into our office for something knew were were using wireless cause I would roam around the office with my laptop and work. I'd even sit out side at a table and work. So if someone wants to hack bad enough they would.
But its just more sense to look for one wide open than one secured to break. | |
| | | | | AquaBlaze
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| "I mean, If I really wanted to wardrive a house (and use the connection), I'd just keep driving and find a house that is wide open, rather than try to spend time busting WEP encryption..."
Yea, but if you're specifically looking to bust into a specific network (ie. sabotage on a competing business) WEP isn't going to cut it. WPA is a whole lot more secure, but I'm sure given enough time...folks can get in through that. (thus why you don't see SMART networks w/ confidential information running wireless these days)
I'm all for 801.11i, if they can somehow guarantee a security level equivolent to that of a wired network...that way all businesses can partake of a wireless network without shattin' a brick over security. | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
·Comcast
| Re: Does it really matter? said by AquaBlaze :
Yea, but if you're specifically looking to bust into a specific network (ie. sabotage on a competing business) WEP isn't going to cut it. WPA is a whole lot more secure, but I'm sure given enough time...folks can get in through that.
I'm not sure how penetrable WPA is, but I agree with what you said about WEP, I believe you have to capture around 5 million packets (so sit around for a while)...
Even just AirSnort can find the key for you if you are determined...
In all my travels, I've seen only 27 AP's with encryption, WEP at that, I've seen 0 with WPA... Sad...
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
Premium
join:2002-09-06
00000
| said by hottboiinnc :
The only way to know the key is to actually look at the portal's bottom and get it.
Or to crack it, which is rather easy. | |
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
Premium
join:2002-09-06
00000
| said by Nerdtalker :
Does it really matter? I mean, people still are going to leave their access points open simply because they are configured like that by default. I doubt it'll help secure the majority of unsecured APs.
This will only help people who are already security-conscious to become even more secure...
A man walked along the beach picking up starfish and throwing them back in the ocean. An onlooker asked him, "Why do you throw these starfish back in the water? There must be thousands of starfish along the beach that will dry out and die on the beach. Does your small contribution really make a difference?"
As the man threw another starfish in the water, he said, "It made a difference to that starfish."
While improved security measures won't help the uneducated masses who don't care about security, it does help those of us who are running secure AP's. | |
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AmeritecTech
Change we can believe in, 1922
Premium
join:2002-09-06
00000 | Re: Does it really matter? Your post title was "Does it really matter?"
My answer is yes. | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | All this for what? Why all this hype for stronger wep? Even the weakest pass phrases will detur 99.999999% of people trying to get free access. I understand thier are determined people out thier but damn. | |
| | JimF
join:2003-06-15
Allentown, PA
| Re: All this for what? I totally agree. But a lot of corporations, especially big ones, like to imagine that stronger encryption will protect them significantly more. If it gives them a higher comfort level, they are likely to adopt 802.11 more readily. Of course, they will probably find out that other security holes are more important anyway. | |
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waldoooo
join:2001-12-15
Fountain Valley, CA
| because all of the people who are really security conscious went out and bought 802.11g devices when they were released, now that there is something "new" and "more secure" looks like they have to spend that money all over again. It's all about the $$$ | |
| lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada
 ·Acanac Inc.
| Security is great Greetings,
People will leave their AP unsecured, but many will not. For those people who wishes to secure their wireless communication, why not? the current WEP is just garbage, if everyone has access to tools that will decrypt the communication.
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| | BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast Formerly ..
| Re: Security is great said by lawrence171 :
Greetings,
People will leave their AP unsecured, but many will not. For those people who wishes to secure their wireless communication, why not? the current WEP is just garbage, if everyone has access to tools that will decrypt the communication.
yeah nothing like security threw obscurity.
If some one wants into your network they will find a loop hole somewhere. Security and wi-fi are not even in the same boat. One is on land the others in the middle of the ocean/lake take your pick.
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| | | lawrence171
Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada | Re: Security is great Greetings,
If you don't mind people sniffing your wireless connection, that's your problem.
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