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Lindenhurst, NY | Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd I havent had any problems streaming with 802.11n . What ahrdware are you using? | |
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| Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd said by majortom1029  :I havent had any problems streaming with 802.11n . What ahrdware are you using? I've used multiple models from Trendnet, D-Link, and Linksys. Trying to maintain a 2.4GHz connection through a single wall is impossible, as the rate bounces around from 20Mbps, back up to 270Mbps.
I'm sure 5GHz solves a lot of the 2.4GHz crowding problems I experienced. | |
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1 edit | Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd The main reason that for indoors, I use a Netgear HDX101, ethernet over powerline, and for mobile, I use N, but don't care about true datarates.
I will agree that there is a TON more of 2.4GHz than 5GHz, as almost every laptop/PDA comes with 2.4GHz wireless built in. Only some newer devices allow for 5GHz. I suspect that if I scan on 5GHz, I won't find anything, and the only interfercence would be from 5GHz cordless phones (non DECT)
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| Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd said by en102 :The main reason that for indoors, I use a Netgear HDX101, ethernet over powerline, and for mobile, I use N, but don't care about true datarates. I will agree that there is a TON more of 2.4GHz than 5GHz, as almost every laptop/PDA comes with 2.4GHz wireless built in. Only some newer devices allow for 5GHz. I suspect that if I scan on 5GHz, I won't find anything, and the only interfercence would be from 5GHz cordless phones (non DECT) Since DECT actually runs on 1.9GHz, I don't suspect much interference.
I actually have a 5.8GHz cordless phone  (non DECT).
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en102
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Valencia, CA | Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd Hence I had the 'non DECT' in there.
I use Bluetooth, and it doesn't play nice with WiFi (BT gets clobbered). My DECT 6.0 phone works well though.
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Valencia, CA | Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd It works great - better than my old Motorola 5.8GHz one did.
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| said by Matt :said by majortom1029 :I havent had any problems streaming with 802.11n . What ahrdware are you using? I've used multiple models from Trendnet, D-Link, and Linksys. Trying to maintain a 2.4GHz connection through a single wall is impossible, as the rate bounces around from 20Mbps, back up to 270Mbps. I'm sure 5GHz solves a lot of the 2.4GHz crowding problems I experienced. You are correct. The std put in code to make sure 802.11n didn't step all over the older 802.11g equipment by scaling back frequencies used if it detects 802.11g traffic nearby. So if you are on the 2.4Ghz band, and their are nearby APs on 802.11g you won't get the speeds desired. And every vendors product did a better or worse job of detecting APs using 802.11g.
The big problem is still that some 802.11n gear either ignores nearby 802.11g APs and causes them all kinds of grief. Or it is too sensitive in detecting nearby 802.11g APs and then scales back to the point that the 802.11n gear throttles itself to being no better than the 802.11g APs.
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| Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd said by TKJunkMail :You are correct. The std put in code to make sure 802.11n didn't step all over the older 802.11g equipment by scaling back frequencies used if it detects 802.11g traffic nearby. So if you are on the 2.4Ghz band, and their are nearby APs on 802.11g you won't get the speeds desired. And every vendors product did a better or worse job of detecting APs using 802.11g. actually, as far as i've been able to tell, the stepdown isn't unique to detection of 802.11g signals.
essentially, 802.11n gets its speeds from channel bonding. because of the spectrum allocation, there are only 3 distinct channels of operation (1,6,11) and all other channels overlap within this space. as such, 802.11n was designed to kick itself out of bonding (n-mode) if it detected any other 802.11g wireless in the area. it has been my experience though, that if 802.11n detects another 802.11n access point that it is not aware of, it will kick itself out of 802.11n in the 2.4ghz space. in the 5.8ghz space, there are enough non-overlapping channels, that this isn't of a concern.
i could be pretty far off, however this has been my experience with the draft-n 2.0 access points from cisco (lap1252).
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| said by Matt :I've used multiple models from Trendnet, D-Link, and Linksys. And there is your problem...
Not to be an ass, but have you tried something that comes in a metal case? | |
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| Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd said by SLD :said by Matt :I've used multiple models from Trendnet, D-Link, and Linksys. And there is your problem... Not to be an ass, but have you tried something that comes in a metal case? I'm not spending $500+ for a Cisco for home use. That's an absurd suggestion.  | |
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| Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd said by tubbynet :said by Matt :I'm not spending $500+ for a Cisco for home use. That's an absurd suggestion. thats when you get your employer to order one or two extra and bring them home q. I am self-employed. | |
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| Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd said by Mike Wolf :tax write-off True! | |
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| said by Matt :said by majortom1029 :I havent had any problems streaming with 802.11n . What ahrdware are you using? I've used multiple models from Trendnet, D-Link, and Linksys. Trying to maintain a 2.4GHz connection through a single wall is impossible, as the rate bounces around from 20Mbps, back up to 270Mbps. I'm sure 5GHz solves a lot of the 2.4GHz crowding problems I experienced. I concur. I returned a Linksys one because the signal was so unstable just 15 feet away. I switched to 5GHz only instead of the shared mode and it got even worse. 5GHZ is great for no interference but it's range is horrible. I picked up a Netgear WNR1000 and have been very pleased with both speed and signal reliability. | |
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| Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd said by DivineDark :said by Matt :said by majortom1029 :I havent had any problems streaming with 802.11n . What ahrdware are you using? I've used multiple models from Trendnet, D-Link, and Linksys. Trying to maintain a 2.4GHz connection through a single wall is impossible, as the rate bounces around from 20Mbps, back up to 270Mbps. I'm sure 5GHz solves a lot of the 2.4GHz crowding problems I experienced. I concur. I returned a Linksys one because the signal was so unstable just 15 feet away. I switched to 5GHz only instead of the shared mode and it got even worse. 5GHZ is great for no interference but it's range is horrible. I picked up a Netgear WNR1000 and have been very pleased with both speed and signal reliability. No range problems with my Dlink at 5Ghz. | |
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Beachwood, NJ | Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd glad to hear it!
when you do, let me know which one you go with, i'm curious | |
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| said by Matt :Unless you run it in the 5GHz spectrum, 802.11n is like polishing a turd. It's unstable and especially for HD video streaming, less reliable than 802.11g. actually you can polish a turd
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Beachwood, NJ | Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd lol i was thinking the exact same thing when i saw his post. | |
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| said by BF69 :said by Matt :Unless you run it in the 5GHz spectrum, 802.11n is like polishing a turd. It's unstable and especially for HD video streaming, less reliable than 802.11g. actually you can polish a turd » dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbus···urd.html Very funny! Thanks for that! | |
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| said by Matt :Unless you run it in the 5GHz spectrum, 802.11n is like polishing a turd. It's unstable and especially for HD video streaming, less reliable than 802.11g. It's extremely stable at 2.4 GHz and at 5Ghz. | |
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| Re: 802.11n - Like polishing a turd said by iansltx :I've been able to get 40-55 Mbps through a wall or two with 802.11n, with what DD-WRT tells me are 10 MHz channels, no less. It's not like I'm in a noise-free zone either; I can pick up my school wireless network (which hogs all 2.4 GHz channels) from where the router is and there's another network running at -50 signal from the router's perspective... I have 4-5 other 2.4GHz networks nearby, so that could very well contribute to my crappy performance. I don't think that's is going to be all that odd however, especially in larger cities. I noticed if I locked the rate at draft 1.0 speeds (130Mbps) the rate didn't bounce around like crazy, but it was still a little too inconsistent for 1080p streaming. When you're streaming 1080p and your AP changes it's rate, it wreaks havoc with the stream.
I moved to MoCA which provides a steady 100Mbps and now streaming is like butter. I wanted to give 5GHz gear a shot, but the dual-band (two physical radio) stuff is too expensive.  | |
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| Re: Here is a summary of the 7 year timeline to approve 802.11n someone needs to tell these buffoons 7 years is entirely way too long
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Tucson, AZ | Re: Here is a summary of the 7 year timeline to approve 802.11n Yeah probably tomorrow they will announce the new 802.11z standard, so we can look forward to that in the next 10 years. | |
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| so if you think you can do better, GIVE ME GIGABIT WIRELESS TO 100 FEET IN A WEEK.
i find it interesting that fairly uneducated people (in regards to electrical engineering) always make absurd statements, especially without proof to back up their statement. they always complain how this isn't fast enough, too expensive, too long to deploy, etc. . from my understadning there was all sorts of fighting and bickering throughout the developments of the standard, patent issues (look at CSIRO portion at the wiki page for 802.11n). it was probably a case of 'too many cooks in the kitchen', do you really expect the voting members (primarily comprised of people working at rival companies) to reach consensus quickly? | |
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| Re: Here is a summary of the 7 year timeline to approve 802.11n said by cornelius785 :i find it interesting that fairly uneducated people (in regards to electrical engineering) always make absurd statements, especially without proof to back up their statement. I have a BS in Computer Science. I won't pretend that I understand the entire complex process, but I feel that I'm at least qualified to know more about the process then say a business, political science, art, or medicine major.
they always complain how this isn't fast enough, too expensive, too long to deploy, etc. It took 7 years! 7 years in computer years is literally an eternity. You don't have to have a expert understanding of things to know that 7 years is forever for a computer.
from my understadning there was all sorts of fighting and bickering throughout the developments of the standard, Oh, so it really wasn't a technical matter but rather a political issue...
patent issues (look at CSIRO portion at the wiki page for 802.11n). as well as a legal one. Neither political or legal issues require a technical understanding to comment on the length of the process. In fact, I would say that other professions are far more qualified to understand all the political and legal issues that delayed things then what a EE would normally deal with.
it was probably a case of 'too many cooks in the kitchen', do you really expect the voting members (primarily comprised of people working at rival companies) to reach consensus quickly? I fully expect them to bicker about each others technology and why theirs is the one that should be used. That doesn't mean though that the testing and drafting feedback loop has to take so long though. | |
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| No problems here... I run a simultaneous dual band router, and keep all my 11g stuff on the 2.4ghz band, and my 11n stuff on the 5ghz band, and have absolutely no problem with either.
In fairness, I do not have a lot of walls or distance to conquer, however, being in a large apartment complex, there are scads of networks within range, and yet I suffer no interference issues at all.
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| D-Link FTW I set up a D-Link dir-655 for a friend, which covers their almost 3000sf home and more, from the basement no less. Any decent wireless g or n card gets 'very good' to 'excellent' strength anywhere in the house and matching throughput.
I also set up a D-Link dir-615 for another friend. This one is located on the second floor and is accessible (with the password of course) from way down the street.
These are both newer homes built within the last fifteen-twenty years. Houses built recently are basically made of cardboard and in any case, I've yet to see any trouble with wireless signals when using name brand equipment in any home environment.
The house in which I live is over fifty years old and I do notice that my older Linksys wrt54gs router has trouble getting a solid signal from one basement corner of the house to the opposite corner of the house on the main floor, but I chalk this up to the fact that my computer is using a Trendnet USB dongle :P I get good connectivity everywhere in the house with newer/namebrand cards. | |
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| whoopy doo so, draft 2.0 equipment becomes certifies 802.11n. not to mention, N+, dual band N, dual band N+.. and a variety of adapters which range from 100mbits to 300mps throughput under "draft 2.0 spec" all of which probably can now be labeled under the certified 802.11n equipment. | |
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802.11N Officially Ratified
Here is a summary of the 7 year timeline to approve 802.11n