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| so... what else is new...the lawsuits weren't made for ceo's and rich people who can afford to battle it out in court.... why go after someone who has millions $$$ that will fight it and possibly have the ability to win when you can go after tons of people that don't have the money to fight it and will just pay to keep it out of court. | |
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join:2006-09-27 Middletown, CT | Re: so... Exactly. One of the worst complaints I have about this country is our ridiculous judicial system and the leech/shark attorneys that make it even worse. The USA judicial system is nothing but legalized extortion, in most cases. | |
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  Cheese Premium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL clubs: | And most families..... Would handle it within the family if they knew the kids were doing it and could potentially cost them a lot of money and headache with lawsuits from the RIAA Mob...... | |
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| Re: And most families..... The difference is that most families are not involved in the hunting down and suing of people who are caught.
When Edgar Bronfman and his cronies catch anyone else in the act of doing what his own children were doing, he buries them in a lawsuit. But when he, or his cronies, caught his children they looked the other way.
Not handling your personal situation the way you handle other people's situations is called hypocrisy. -- "There's a war going on inside me--the good fightin' against the evil. But I thank God for redemption."
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| Re: And most families..... said by JAAulde :The difference is that most families are not involved in the hunting down and suing of people who are caught. When Edgar Bronfman and his cronies catch anyone else in the act of doing what his own children were doing, he buries them in a lawsuit. But when he, or his cronies, caught his children they looked the other way. Not handling your personal situation the way you handle other people's situations is called hypocrisy. True.....double standards, gotta love'em! | |
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| Re: Police!-Police... said by guitarzan :Where is Taylor ? Or where's rachelsfx by the way, our favourite RIAA PR person here? (She IS a RIAA agent but I have to credit her for never denying it.)
She used to post here on topics like this on daily basis - until Nov 1st when she has suddenly disappeared: »/postlist/1083···thin&p=1
...interestingly enough so was gone her MySpace profile (along with her copyright infringement of a Cindy Lauper video LOL): »profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu···14718068 | |
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| said by kamm :said by guitarzan :Where is Taylor ? Or where's rachelsfx  by the way, our favourite RIAA PR person here? (She IS a RIAA agent but I have to credit her for never denying it.) She used to post here on topics like this on daily basis - until Nov 1st when she has suddenly disappeared: » /postlist/1083···thin&p=1...interestingly enough so was gone her MySpace profile (along with her copyright infringement of a Cindy Lauper video LOL): » profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu···14718068 said by kamm :said by guitarzan :Where is Taylor ? Or where's rachelsfx  by the way, our favourite RIAA PR person here? (She IS a RIAA agent but I have to credit her for never denying it.) Most likely, awaiting to receive instructions, on how, what and when to post a reply  -- Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. | |
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| The RIAA should sue......... You have a direct admission of guilt by the parent. No excuses like, "I don't have a computer", "What is file sharing", or "I can't watch my kids all day long."
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| Does this really surprise ANYONE? Ok people, I hate to break this to you, but here it is: Throughout the entire story of human history, the rich and powerful have always exploited the masses. Always. And guess what? They always will. Until the sun explodes and vaporizes the planet, the rich elite will always treat the regular human creature with disdain and hypocrisy. Get used to it.
All snarkiness aside, is there a single person on these boards who is actually surprised at this? Is there anyone who really expected the RIAA attack dogs to shred this kid and his dad like they would the average Joe?
I thought not. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? You are correct, but that truth doesn't mean "the masses" should simply accept it because it has happened and will continue to nor does it mean the masses shouldn't file grievance to have the situation rectified.
I believe the masses once rose up in defiance when they were told to "eat cake"? -- Wishes: When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor. --despair.com | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? Yes they did. Boy howdy, it's a good thing they fixed things permanently too. Now everything is happy fuzzy bunnies and rainbow-farting puppies. Huzzah! Oh, wait a sec...
Seems I recall a rather unpleasant period where lots of people got their heads chopped off, and not just the rich elite. In fact, the end result as we can plainly see today is the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and the vast majority of regular people without any say in it whatsoever.
So...to repeat: "Rich hypocrites control the masses...nothing will change...sun explodes...the end." -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? said by CrazyFingers :Now everything is happy fuzzy bunnies and rainbow-farting puppies. Huzzah! Great... Now I have the image of rainbow-farting puppies in my head and can't stop laughing. Thanks a lot!  | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? said by fireflier :I'm glad there weren't more people in the colonies with your attitude when we were trying to secure independence from England. You mean all the rich landowners who didn't want to pay taxes to the crown anymore? Those people in the colonies? Those people who set up the current system we live in where...you guessed it...the rich elite control everything while riding on the back of the average citizen?
Do I owe you anything for proving my point?
Keep in mind, I'm not assigning a moral judgement of "right" or "wrong" to the human condition. It is what it is, whether you like it, hate it, or are indifferent. It changes nothing, and never will. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? i would have to say that for everything that does not go well in America there is one thing that is done right. If you study Philosophy you would have a much better perspective on what you are trying to argue. The points you are trying to make very well elaborated by minds that are far more refined then your's or mine. The American system is based on what works best for the most people, there are abuses but please don't start a silly tirade about how corrupt the RIAA is an use it to justify what is wrong with America.
If you study statistics you would know that a normal distribution is what is most likely to occur in large pools. Some will be corrupt others will not. How can you find it hard to believe that people would rather settle disputes in their own houses rather than bring in the government?
Please tell me how the development of a middle class in society who is free to make their own choices is worse than all of us living in a field in Aids ravaged Africa. | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? said by backness :Please tell me how the development of a middle class in society who is free to make their own choices is worse than all of us living in a field in Aids ravaged Africa. Please tell me what this absurd strawman tacked on to the end of a barely coherent ramble has to do with the rising price of organic amphibian-based toilet paper in the Australian outback. (I can spew utter crap too).
Stop trying to read too much into what I am saying. The simple truth, backed up by the entirety of human history, is that the rich and powerful have always and will always exploit the average person for their own gain in a selfish and hypocritical manner, regardless of the label they apply to their system of government. The brief exceptions to this rule and the inevitable return to it only serve to reinforce it. This basic component of human nature is not going to change, ever. This is not necessarily a bad thing, or a good thing. It's just how we are. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? Fair enough, however your first post implies we should roll over and accept it.
"Until the sun explodes and vaporizes the planet, the rich elite will always treat the regular human creature with disdain and hypocrisy. Get used to it."
I respectfully disagree. History is full of people who refused to accept it and triumphed. Your civics teacher apparently did a woefully inadequate job of relating to you just how much power you have to make a difference. . . -- Wishes: When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor. --despair.com | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? "I respectfully disagree. History is full of people who refused to accept it and triumphed. Your civics teacher apparently did a woefully inadequate job of relating to you just how much power you have to make a difference. . ."
How about you tell us just how much power we have to make a difference and how you'd go about using it..? | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? You as an individual have a voice. You can vote, you can call/email/write your reps and make known your concerns, you can motivate others to do the same. If you think an individual vote doesn't make a difference, I've got a great example. The jailer in our city was decided by 8 votes in the last election. Total number of votes for both candidates exceeded 3500. The percentage deciding who won was .23%! I bet at least 8 people who didn't vote for the other candidate because they thought it wouldn't matter are just a little upset right now.
You can vote with your wallet if a corporation does something you don't like. You can relate those experiences to others to affect change. People have successfully boycotted companies to alter their practices.
There are a multitude of ways to change things if one is motivated to do so. And if all else fails you can do what that guy did in "V for Vendetta". 
I'm not optimistic enough to believe an individual can necessarily take down a corporation or government or change the world on their own, but do you honestly believe all the changes that have occured were not the result of a single idea that gained enough momentum to make a difference?
At the same time, I'm also not complacent enough to simply sit back and accept things as they are if I believe it's wrong. . .I don't believe in not trying because I think I can't make a difference. But I suppose it's also important to know when it's time to give up. . . -- Wishes: When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor. --despair.com | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? You as an individual have a voice. You can vote, you can call/email/write your reps and make known your concerns, you can motivate others to do the same. If you think an individual vote doesn't make a difference, I've got a great example. The jailer in our city was decided by 8 votes in the last election. Total number of votes for both candidates exceeded 3500. The percentage deciding who won was .23%! I bet at least 8 people who didn't vote for the other candidate because they thought it wouldn't matter are just a little upset right now.
You can vote with your wallet if a corporation does something you don't like. You can relate those experiences to others to affect change. People have successfully boycotted companies to alter their practices.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ just to let you know i voted and i emailed the white house and you see what is still going on? Apparently there not interested in triffles of the internet there more worried about how much money they can get from oil, it's our battle with the RIAA no one elses, besides you think the president or a congressment or senator really cares about music downloads on the net? they can go by it please lets be realistic, I have to agree the upper class rules no matter what and you wonder why all the killings are going on such a shame. | |
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| Sorry, you're not getting off that easily. It wasn't ONLY the rich land owners responsible for the concept of our idependence from England. Those against it included the middle class and the poor and those who put their lives, families, and property on the line included all walks.
I should also point out that it is the people who let others make choices for them, those who don't use their voice, those who don't write their politicians and protest who have created the current system. I suppose when Upton Sinclair revealed the atrocities in the elite-controlled meatpacking industry in "The Jungle" in 1906 nothing good came out of that either huh? Nothing? Right??? No, nothing like establisment of processes that help insure people consume safe products in the face of those powerful people who were against such practices. Abolition of Slavery (probably the poorest people in the population at the time)? That went against the interests of wealthy plantation owners and it took a civil war to ultimately be decided but miracle of miracles, the elite-wealthy plantation owners lost to other interests.
Good grief, where on earth did you learn to become such a victim? You might want to review some history (though I imagine you'll conclude it's not worth the effort) before you reach such pessimistic conlusions regarding the state of things.
Your logic is flawed and circular by implying it's not worth doing anything and by doing nothing you allow things to happen outside of your control. It's because of that attitude that some people do control things they shouldn't. You're simply creating a self-fulfilling propehcy. It is after all easier to do nothing and then whine about it than it is to stand up and make a difference.
Just because the wealthy and elite DO control SOME things does not mean everyone should simply conclude they can/do/will control everything, sit back, have a beer and accept it. -- Wishes: When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor. --despair.com | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? Can I get a ticket to your fantasy land? Is there a discount if you don't go on the weekends?
Ok, let's play.
said by fireflier : It wasn't ONLY the rich land owners responsible for the concept of our idependence from England. Those against it included the middle class and the poor and those who put their lives, families, and property on the line included all walks. First, the people responsible for the concept were the rich landowners. Read the signatures on the Declaration of Independence. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Now that that's been covered, of course the people who fought were from all economic levels. How would you build an army without the unwashed masses? You're proving my point, again, that the rich elite exploit the regular people for their own ends. Was the result a benefit to most people? Sure it was. And there's why you're all hot and bothered by what I'm saying. You think I'm making a judgement that what they did was bad. Please re-read my posts. The fact that the average person did see a benefit from this does not affect the fact that the rich exploited them. The fact that the rich exploited them is just human nature, not "evil". Let's move on.
said by fireflier :I should also point out that it is the people who let others make choices for them, those who don't use their voice, those who don't write their politicians and protest who have created the current system. I suppose when Upton Sinclair revealed the atrocities in the elite-controlled meatpacking industry in "The Jungle" in 1906 nothing good came out of that either huh? Nothing? Right??? No, nothing like establisment of processes that help insure people consume safe products in the face of those powerful people who were against such practices. You're missing a crucial fact here. Rich people eat meat too, and there were rich people in industries other than meat packing. Do you think the Carnegies and Rockefellers enjoyed sitting down to a meal knowing it contained rat droppings and people's fingernails? Minor historical bumps aside, your point here is flimsy at best. The fact that there are still billionaire meat-packing plant owners reaping the benefits of the labor of thousands of comparatively low-paid factory workers only proves my point. Again. And again, notice I'm not saying it is wrong, just how it is.
said by fireflier :Abolition of Slavery (probably the poorest people in the population at the time)? That went against the interests of wealthy plantation owners and it took a civil war to ultimately be decided but miracle of miracles, the elite-wealthy plantation owners lost to other interests. You got me there! All those slaves who were freed immediately went on to a Utopian existence with no cares in the world and the respect of their fellow man. You...DO realize that the manufacturing wealth and power of the North far outstripped the agrarian-based economies of the South at the time, right? That's kind of why they lost the Civil War. Now, what happened after the Civil War, when all these slaves were freed? Why, carpetbaggers and speculators from the North swept down and...wait for it...exploited the poor for decades. In fact, it seems that these Southern States still have some of the worst economies in the nation. Not exactly the best example for you to use.
Your next two paragraphs descend into a rather petty rant full of button-words ("victim"..."review some history"..."logic flawed and circular") based on some silly notion that I just threw up my hands and said "oh lordy, the world is so mean, I give up!". You're completely misunderstanding my point. History shows that I'm right. It's really that simple. Every society on record shows the rich elite exploiting the average person for their benefit. Now, before you get all fussy about that statement, remember, that's not good, or bad. It simply is. Recognizing the truth is a lot more beneficial to myself and society at large than continuing this self-delusional concept you seem to have that if you wave a few signs or burn a bra or two, the world will magically become CandyLand.
said by fireflier :Just because the wealthy and elite DO control SOME most things does not mean means everyone should will simply conclude they can/do/will control everything, sit back, have a beer and accept it.
Fixed that for you. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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1 edit | Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? In your first post you said:
"Until the sun explodes and vaporizes the planet, the rich elite will always treat the regular human creature with disdain and hypocrisy. Get used to it."
Now you say:
"Recognizing the truth is a lot more beneficial to myself and society at large than continuing this self-delusional concept you seem to have that if you wave a few signs or burn a bra or two, the world will magically become CandyLand."
and
"Just because the wealthy and elite DO control most things means everyone will simply conclude they can/do/will control everything, sit back, have a beer and accept it."
That sure sounds like someone who's arguing we should accept it and NOT someone who's arguing that it's life and it's not good or bad as you're currently claiming. Pick an argument and stick to it. I'd love to hear you stand up in front of some WWII veterans and tell them they didn't make a difference because the rich/elite, etc. control us all anyway and they should have just stayed home because Hitler and Hirohito (or some other mystical elite/wealthy/New World Order leader) were already in control of the world--oh, and that they were duped by all the wealthy citizens into fighting for them (yeah, I REALLY want to be there for that!).
Since you've pointed out my apparent ignorance, perhaps you can explain to me how "Recognizing the truth is a lot more beneficial to [yourself] and society". Aside from encouraging you to wallow in your own self-pity and justification for doing--well, nothing, how does that help anyone? I really want to hear this. . . And while you're at it, I really want to hear what YOU think we should do since apparently standing up is not an option. Please, enlighten me. . .
Anxiously waiting! | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? You're the one who tried to shoehorn the Nazis and Hitler into this thread, not me. That makes a discussion with you an utter waste of time. Godwin's Law, deal with it.
Besides, your responses to me and other people have made it crystal clear that you are just being argumentative and deliberately refusing to even consider my point. Go ahead and ignore thousands of years of repetitive history and have your hunger-strike-save-the-spotted-owls-tofu-sit-in if you like, see how much gets changed. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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2 edits | Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? I never mentioned Nazis, you did. Hitler was an integral part of WWII. I would have said WWI but many more of those vets are dead so it's unlikely you'd be able to tell them what I suggested. I also mentioned Hirohito.
I considered your viewpoint, I stated a point of disagreement to which you had an opportunity to respond intelligently and I asked you to quantify your claims. You then attempted to stop the debate on the basis of Godwin's law.
Now, I'm still waiting for that answer. -- Wishes: When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor. --despair.com | |
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1 edit | "Just because the wealthy and elite DO control SOME things does not mean everyone should simply conclude they can/do/will control everything, sit back, have a beer and accept it."
Ummm..The wealthy and elete DO control EVERY aspect of our existence in one manner or another. Just WHO is going to stand up against them? YOU? Highly doubtfull. It's easy to blow it out of your ass and quite another to take on the man. | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? So why do you wake up and go to work every morning? If you truly believe your entire existence is based on enslavement to "the man" and you can't make any difference what keeps you from simply hanging yourself and letting the world get on with business?
I also don't recall saying *I* individually would stand up to anyone. But there are many instances were individuals have affected change by motivating others.
Perhaps you'd be willing to explain in detail just how the wealthy and elite control EVERY aspect of our lives? I'd like to know how they control everything I think, everything I do, when I take a whiz, what I put in my coffee, and what kind of metal I use for my conspiracy hat. -- Wishes: When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor. --despair.com | |
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? "Perhaps you'd be willing to explain in detail just how the wealthy and elite control EVERY aspect of our lives? I'd like to know how they control everything I think, everything I do, when I take a whiz, what I put in my coffee, and what kind of metal I use for my conspiracy hat"
I have posted extensively here on this subject as many here know, so I wont be redundant. I'll leave it to you to find out for yourself.
Simply put: You live in a societal box (or, cubicle, for those of you who are corporate drones) Your life revolves around your job (which you as likely as not hate) and your societal obligations, such as they might be.
You work because you have to eat, have shelter (a house, which you likely have a massive mortgage on, or, a apartment that sucks down thousands a year from your pay that you have ZERO real control over, other than the right to live there), transport (a car, which you are likely deeply in debt for), heat, electricity and whatever other things you squander your pay on each pay cycle.
Keeping you in debt and thereby forcing you to work and kiss your bosses/co workers asses to be a citizen in good standing is indentured servitude. It's only a minor variance on the old "company store" which is now "illegal". the only real difference is that you think it's "voluntary" because you made the decision to enter into all that debt. The end effect, however, is exactly the same as the "company store"
You have to work to pay the debt and, as you pay off some debt, you take on more (credit cards, etc). If you dont pay, your life will be destroyed and that house, car, etc will be taken from you. The only way to pay (unless you are extremely lucky) is to WORK.
Your job and the need for that pay, as well as deciding what to do with it motivates your every important decision and, quite simply, your life revolves around it.
Get the picture now, little drone? | |
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| said by fireflier :So why do you wake up and go to work every morning? If you truly believe your entire existence is based on enslavement to "the man" and you can't make any difference what keeps you from simply hanging yourself and letting the world get on with business? I also don't recall saying *I* individually would stand up to anyone. But there are many instances were individuals have affected change by motivating others. Perhaps you'd be willing to explain in detail just how the wealthy and elite control EVERY aspect of our lives? I'd like to know how they control everything I think, everything I do, when I take a whiz, what I put in my coffee, and what kind of metal I use for my conspiracy hat. You obviously have a very contrived way of thinking. Are you by chance, sitting in front of a TV with FOX News Channel tuned into it at the moment??
In your world, understanding that societies are manipulated by powerful people requires you to not get up in the morning, not eat and to basically kill yourself. I guess if that's how you'd handle it, that's fine, but to assume that everyone else would also throw in the towel would put you in that category of "egocentric". More rational people, those with a mature intelligence, who are intellectually honest with themselves recognize survival instinct as a prime motivator in humans. They get up in the morning and go to work so they can eat and have shelter. Those that can handle those tasks without expending all of their energy, knowledge and skill can do other things like ponder life, think about the state of the world, and actually CARE.
I don't think anyone is saying your every action is controlled by some external force. I think the point is, our overall experience, the reality as we see it is one that is presented to us, with a few choices here and there, like you can choose to vote for one of two chosen candidates, or you can choose to buy post raisin bran instead of kellog's. And you don't even have to wear a "conspiracy hat", but I guess since you are showing symptoms of cognitive dissonance, or a fear of exploring the unconventional ideas that lead to historical turning points, you can feel safe in knowing that anyone who has a different opinion than your's is crazy crazy crazy, and you can read more into what is said to make it sound more outrageous so you don't have to actually consider it's validity.
Feel safe, deny anything that isn't "accepted".
Of course, you are an adult man who didn't know putting a hot cup of coffee on a finished wood table would leave a mark. I'm surprised you can make it out the door every morning without injuring yourself. You're obviously not a rocket scientist. Probably a middle manager at some run-of-the-mill service-oriented business. Don't ask questions. Don't think. Can't handle novel situations. Just get that paycheck every two weeks and all is well. | |
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| said by fireflier :I should also point out that it is the people who let others make choices for them, those who don't use their voice, those who don't write their politicians and protest who have created the current system. Given my eight-year fight with the town and the state over property taxes, and having gotten nowhere, I have to conclude that society is controlled by the rich elite who control the masses through the indoctrination of the young via the public school system.
But the question of equal importance is 'what do you fight, when the sheer number of injustice being waged by government against the people prevent one from fighting but a tiny sliver of the total?'
The influence of the Fascist rich elite is felt through the brainwashing of society, so that the voting public will support the same Fascist ideas, because they were taught no other ideas. Everyone believes in taxation, for instance, because they were not taught about any alternative, nor were they taught to expect nothing more from government than national border protections, courts and police. Always, there was someone shouting "there ought to be a law!!" and over the decades, that chant lead to the government we have today.
The few of us who understand freedom and want to live our lives that way are outnumbered by the brainwashed Fascist masses, who believe it's okay to steal from the producers at gunpoint and give the booty to the non producers.
We, the rational humans, are in the minority; our votes reap no reward. -- Take care,
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| Re: Does this really surprise ANYONE? I never said we don't ever get screwed, merely that I don't subscribe to blindly accepting some perceived notion of the way things are and refusing to do anything about it because of that acceptance.
Think I haven't been hosed over something I thought was right? Oh yeah!
That still doesn't mean I'm going to kick back and roll over. -- Wishes: When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor. --despair.com | |
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| said by CrazyFingers :Yes they did. Boy howdy, it's a good thing they fixed things permanently too. Now everything is happy fuzzy bunnies and rainbow-farting puppies. Huzzah! Oh, wait a sec... Seems I recall a rather unpleasant period where lots of people got their heads chopped off, and not just the rich elite. In fact, the end result as we can plainly see today is the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, and the vast majority of regular people without any say in it whatsoever. So...to repeat: "Rich hypocrites control the masses...nothing will change...sun explodes...the end." regular people choose not to have any say in it.
CHOOSE not to, either out of ignorance, apathy or fear.
Being exploited only works if you are not aware, are too dumb to extricate yourself form the exploitive situation, or don't care.
In other words, if enough people understand the game and actually CARE about the world they live in, and will leave to their children, then this sort of hypocrisy would never be allowed to flourish. | |
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 |   garagerock Premium join:2002-06-14 Louisville, KY | ah, but if enough attention is brought to light on this, perhaps he will suffer the same fate as the poor and downtrodden? | |
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| said by CrazyFingers :Ok people, I hate to break this to you, but here it is: Throughout the entire story of human history, the rich and powerful have always exploited the masses. Always. And guess what? They always will. Until the sun explodes and vaporizes the planet, the rich elite will always treat the regular human creature with disdain and hypocrisy. Get used to it. Not really.... cause as the sun nears going supernova... the rich/powerful/elite will have long been gone. Easily being able to afford fancy ships that can carry them to a new planet while the poor start slathering on SPF 10,000. | |
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| I don't think it is so much about the rich, but the powerful. His kids won't be sued because he is Warner's CEO. Not because he's rich, but because he's the boss.
JUST LIKE when the local police officer's kids get caught smoking pot or spray painting a building, they get "escorted home" instead of arrested and charged with a crime, like our kids would. -- "I invented it, Bill made it famous." --David Bradley, the inventor of Ctrl+Alt+Del. | |
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| I certainly hope that his label does no apply to ALL rich poeple some like my grandfolks use it FOR good like donating to charity. And other things.
Sadly this country wants to take away 80s years of climbing the job ladder and give his money to some folks who have not EARNED there share. Totaly agree on the point mentioned below The few of us who understand freedom and want to live our lives that way are outnumbered by the brainwashed Fascist masses, who believe it's okay to steal from the producers at gunpoint and give the booty to the non producers.
This one concerns me
Ok people, I hate to break this to you, but here it is: Throughout the entire story of human history, the rich and powerful have always exploited the masses. Always. And guess what? They always will. | |
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|   dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA | Where's Taylor Troll? Love to hear his spin on this! | |
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join:2005-02-02 New York, NY | Not just songs If his kids know how to downloaded songs, I would bet you they also knows how to steal movies. | |
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| said by La Luna :As it appears that his kids weren't officially caught by the RIAA dogs, he should have just kept his mouth shut. I think he's opened up a Pandora's box of problems for the RIAA. Good point. If you are breaking the law and are getting away with it, then why publicly admit to it? There are quite a few things that slip through fingers of law enforcement and RIAA/MPAA contractors, so chances are that you will never get caught downloading music.
Unless, of course, this guy wants to make a point that he can get away with breaking the law and wants the rest of the world to watch and envy. -- Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies... A MESSAGE to the RIAA and the MPAA: You shouldn't wound what you can't kill... | |
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join:2006-04-26 Burke, VA | Re: hmmm..... Yeah, that's idiotic. I dont really understand why people feel the teh need to partake in movie/music piracy anyway. Anyone I've known usually is too greedy, so they never have time to enjoy what they end up getting. | |
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| Surprised? Hah! Ah, Capitalism--where the Rich lie, cheat, and steal & get off scott free, and the Poor get sued and actually serve hard jail time. It's almost enough to make a man like Socialism!
Seriously though, his kid needs to be sued. I don't particularly care if he settles out of court or whatever, but his kid is culpable. If not, then any other given kid should also not be sued.
Then again, most other kids (and people) aren't kids of the CEOs of the music industry. Hypocrisy rules the day. -- "You do not secure the liberty of our country and value of our democracy by undermining them, that's the road to hell." - Lord Phillips of Sudbury. | |
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| Re: Surprised? Hah! said by tsu9 :Ah, CapitalismSocialism--where the Rich lie, cheat, and steal & get off scott free, and the Poor get sued and actually served hard jail time radioactive polonium. It's almost enough to make a man like Socialism! If the poison does not kill ya first  -- Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. | |
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| Re: Waiting for the day.. said by MysticGogeta :When someone that works for the RIAA and publicly announces that their kids download music and movies illegally When the RIAA sends out 10,000 threatening letters, some percentage of the recipients panic because of all the big sounding legal words, and hire a lawyer, who, in an effort to make some money, contacts the RIAA and gets the victim entangled in a lawsuit. The smart ones ignore the letter. A second letter never arrives, and all is forgotten.
They cast a wide net, and anyone dumb enough to respond gets sued. Plain and simple.
It's a lot like torture. It's not that they want to recoup "losses" from their victim, but they want others to be afraid of the consequences.
So punishing themselves is obviously not productive. I'm sure more than half of the computers in the RIAA's offices have some form of copyright infringed files on them. I'm sure these same people cut and paste entire articles and email them to friends or co-workers, or worse, photo copy magazine and news articles and send them around the inter-office mail.
It really boils down to an industry unwilling to change -- they know that physical packaged recordings are on the way out, but instead of coming up with new ways to make money, they want to use our tax dollars (the courts) to enforce an old, outmoded method of selling music. They know that for every cassette sold, and then for every CD sold, and for every paid download, there are 10 copies given out to friends. It's always existed, and yet their chicken-little cries of being put out of business by "piracy" have never come true. | |
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| In the past??? Yeah, right, and the little turds still steal the songs. I know he doesn't think we're going to believe he pays for ALL of his music. I think admission of guilt should prompt an immediate investigation, and since there is a conflict of interest in regards to stealing music, he should be demoted. I know thats extreme, but you've got to be an idiot if you're fighting against piracy and say "oh, guys, by the way, I've stolen music too, so you've got to pay me thousands for one song, while I walk away untouched". This is an example of why nobody cares about the law in regards to stealing movies and music. Even after being sued, 9 times out of 10, the person will still steal it, they'll just be smarter about it when they do. -- SIPPhone/Gizmo # 17476200648 / PIMPNET Chatline / Ran by Asterisk & Slackware 10.1. | |
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