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Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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Mission Viejo, CA
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| A Sellout is a Sellout is a Sellout quote:
Somewhere Bram Cohen is annoyed...
Blah Cohen blah. Cohen Cohen blah blah blah. Who cares. All I hear is Cohen is a sell out. Period. DRM will be the death of BT no matter how many coats of sugar are applied to fool everyone into thinking DRM is good for consumers. | |
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dr3yec
join:2002-12-19
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·Comcast
| Re: A Sellout is a Sellout is a Sellout You sir hit the nail on the head. It will be the down fall of bitorrent. I see it already. Do you smell another napster? What a shame. When will they realize people are not going for drm. I wont ever touch a thing with drm. If everything eventually goes to drm. I guess my media days will be over. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: A Sellout is a Sellout is a Sellout There is a program that you can download and remove the DRM from many files especially music download services. Even works for video 
all you do is download what you want open it inside this program and it re-records it into another file and strips the DRM off it. Plays like it normally would no loss in sound or video and can be burned or uploaded to any portable device. | |
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howdydoody
@optonline.net | people are not going for drm? you'd better let Apple know that no one's buying songs off of iTunes.
err...wait.. | |
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peter_m
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Canada, QC
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December 5th, @12:16AM
| Re: A Sellout is a Sellout is a Sellout Good point. If it's convenient, they will pay for it. iTunes is the killer app that makes the iPod even better then it is. iTunes is convenient, easy to use and it does pod-casts or net-casts if you prefer.
For a BitTorrent Video site, I think if it's the only FAST service that can download at an acceptable rate, then it has a better chance then others. It also needs to be user friendly and it need to be HIGH DEFINITION. Not only could it beat other on-line video sites, but it could even hurt/beat HD-DVD or BlueRay....
As for the DRM, well it's obviously a noble cause to protect the author's interests but it also shouldn't stand in the way of the paying customer to actually use the media. When I say paying customer, I mean payed once! If the DRM doesn't restrict me to play it on my TV, PC, portable media player or mobile phone... the DRM is no longer a problem and just fades into the back-ground! | |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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| said by howdydoody :
people are not going for drm? you'd better let Apple know that no one's buying songs off of iTunes.
err...wait.. I agree. I don't like DRM, but go out on the street and ask people what they think of DRM. Their response will be in unison "What's DRM?" | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA
| said by major marco  :DRM will be the death of BT no matter how many coats of sugar are applied to fool everyone into thinking DRM is good for consumers. How will DRM kill bittorrent? At this point BT exists and will continue to exist in spite of anything Cohen does; it may kill his particular store that happens to use bittorrent as a method of distributing files, but that has nothing to do with bittorrent in and of itself. Saying DRM will kill BT makes about as much sense as saying DRM will kill TCP/IP.
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swhx7
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Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: A Sellout is a Sellout is a Sellout Correct, but it's important to mention the reason bittorrent will go on.
It's because it's a free and open standard. The protocol is publicly documented and free from copyright and patent encumbrances. There's even open source sample code in the form of the original client which is under a BSD-like license.
The way to create technology of enduring value to the world is to set it free. | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs: | I guess what's ironic is that what's currently killing DRM right now IS BT.
So, BT embraces DRM, BT kills DRM, BT kills itself... Funny. | |
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hroo772
Darkness Fears Me
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join:2002-04-05
Mclean, VA
clubs: | Bram Cohen... ...has already done all he needs to do. He should go back into his cave at this point. After he made the amazing protocol he should have just been happy with that, then left the scene with accomplishment and an untarnished record. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
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PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| Re: Bram Cohen... I tend to agree.
Take the money and run, go spend some time sipping strange colored drinks with funny umbrellas.
This quest to be a video store in a market that will be insanely saturated in five year's time, when your biggest competitor (piracy) is giving away the store via your OWN software....while you try to sell DRM'd content that even you admit is cumbersome to use....
That's just not going to end well.
Maybe it's just me. | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA | Re: Even encrypted bittorrent can't end throttling by ISPs Canadian ISPs are just plain evil, eh. | |
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rogersuser
@comcast.net
| Umm, I read those threads, and those are morons. Rogers is NOT throttling the encrypted traffic. PERIOD. By definition, you CAN'T throttle encrypted traffic, because the traffic CANNOT BE ANALYZED. The people who are experiencing the 'slowdowns' haven't set their computers up correctly. With the right client (i.e. utorrent), you can ensure 100% of your traffic is encrypted, and the ISP is incapable of throttling that traffic. The ONLY thing the ISP 'could' do is throttle a port to a maximum speed, say 50Kb. However, that would limit EVERY application to 50Kb, and the end result would be you are paying for a 50Kb connection. | |
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Ignite
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join:2004-03-18
UK
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December 5th, @09:18AM
| Re: Even encrypted bittorrent can't end throttling by ISPs said by rogersuser :
Umm, I read those threads, and those are morons. Rogers is NOT throttling the encrypted traffic. PERIOD. By definition, you CAN'T throttle encrypted traffic, because the traffic CANNOT BE ANALYZED. The people who are experiencing the 'slowdowns' haven't set their computers up correctly. With the right client (i.e. utorrent), you can ensure 100% of your traffic is encrypted, and the ISP is incapable of throttling that traffic. The ONLY thing the ISP 'could' do is throttle a port to a maximum speed, say 50Kb. However, that would limit EVERY application to 50Kb, and the end result would be you are paying for a 50Kb connection.
You have to love anonymous posters who don't know what they are talking about.
The appliances some ISPs use can and do identify encrypted BT. Suggest you read up on how these devices work, how encrypted BT works and then you'll be able to figure out how. | |
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LiberalKing
Intocable
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Bronx, NY | DRM best thing since slice bread with mayo
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| ISP Cacheing is not Bittorrent Cacheing popular content is nothing more than a proxy. Just a proxy for torrents. ISP's need to neogeoiate proper symmetric traffic with their peers. Cable ISP's that are not Teir 1's can peer to eachother to save and pressure the Teir 1's to play fair. Same goes for any telco that's shut out.
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Techman21
join:2005-04-14
Richmond, VA
| BT will march on, regardless... Um, no. BT will not die just because the creator decided to make his project into a business. Nor will AZ be the end all be all of BT just because it decides to open a shop.
There are many clients out there to choose from. Not to mention other programs altogether.
BT will march on with or without those 2 groups mentioned. No one is saying you *have* to buy from those stores just because you use BT.
This goes to prove no matter what happens the people won't approve. Its a farce that content would stay safe without DRM. Its not even safe *with* DRM. The content providers are struggling to find a way to provide us (consumers) with products that we just won't go out and company then distribute to a kajillion people. Sadly they won't ever succeed unless the whole of the internet comes to an end. | |
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Scifience
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join:2002-07-07
Berea, OH
| Video Sharing As far as high quality video sharing goes, I much prefer DivX's Stage6. You get HD quality video for free and don't have to share your bandwidth and potentially get in trouble for uploading copyrighted content.
They use Akamai for serving the videos, so you can even get a decent speed and essentially use it as streaming video if you have a fast enough connection. | |
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Persona
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join:2004-07-07
Gravenhurst, ON | Azureus? Azureus is just bloatware...I stuck with it far too long
Cogeco throttling torrents? Not at my end! | |
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FiL
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join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
| Re: Azureus? "Take the money and run, go spend some time sipping strange colored drinks with funny umbrellas"
lol. And the sad truth is Karl's right. These guys are all fluff and foder for the studios. No way anyone can resist all the millions thrown at 'em to implement some form of DRM.
This news has me wondering about Azureus. I do use it, but will now be looking at another BT app. | |
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join:2000-10-28
| Re: Azureus? What has me wondering about Azureus is how frickin' bloated it is (yeah, I know, it's because of Java). I have older machines and it's pretty painful trying to multitask.
Everyone seems to love uTorrent but I really prefer (and tend to trust) open source programs. Are there any good ones that are lighter weight than Azureus? The last time I looked, there weren't.
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