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(old news - 09:04AM Wednesday Apr 13 2005)
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Washington State is considering an 8% tax on satellite TV services at the behest of the cable industry, indicates the Sky Report. DirecTV and Dish Network not long ago launched a website dedicated to opposing such cable-sponsored bills being proposed in a number of states. Psst- cable industry: want to keep people from fleeing to satellite? Stop raising rates so quickly.

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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

If you can't drop your own rates....

....make your competition pay more.

Got to love how companies can no longer compete on price but have to resort to "dirty politics."
gpancner

join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA

Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

It's about making the satellite subscribers pay the same tax amount that cable subscribers do. Municipalities provide services that many satellite subscribers want but are unable and/or unwilling to pay for. So they tax the easiest target (i.e. cable). Now that so many ignorant, whining freeloader types have gone to satellite those municipalities are losing tax revenue on a grand scale. The only way of recovering the loss is to apply the same amount of tax to all providers of video. Cell phone companies collect the same taxes as hard wire phone, so should satellite companies.

JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
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Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

Here in MD, cable is not taxed.
TheGhost
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Lake Forest, IL
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The only difference is that the Cable companies pay a fee to use the rights of way, sat companies do not use them. Why should they pay for the ROWs that they don't use?
gpancner

join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA

Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

if a you hung a wire across a blind man's property, would you be using his right-of-way? Just because you don't see the satellite wavelength doesn't mean they're not using right of way. It's called violating air space when an unauthorized plane flies over other countries air space. The satellite companies use the public airways to make money, the government should get the same fees for using the right of way from satellite customers as they do from phone and cable.
the dozer
Premium
join:2004-04-12
Douglasville, GA

Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

said by gpancner See Profile:

if a you hung a wire across a blind man's property, would you be using his right-of-way? Just because you don't see the satellite wavelength doesn't mean they're not using right of way. It's called violating air space when an unauthorized plane flies over other countries air space. The satellite companies use the public airways to make money, the government should get the same fees for using the right of way from satellite customers as they do from phone and cable.
Don't forget walkie talkies and other 2-way radios. Tax them as well. We can also tax that radio in your car. It uses the airways as well.

quetwo
That VoIP Guy
Premium
join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI
·TDS

said by gpancner See Profile:

if a you hung a wire across a blind man's property, would you be using his right-of-way? Just because you don't see the satellite wavelength doesn't mean they're not using right of way. It's called violating air space when an unauthorized plane flies over other countries air space. The satellite companies use the public airways to make money, the government should get the same fees for using the right of way from satellite customers as they do from phone and cable.
The difference with Satellite and traditional Rights-of-Way is that you legally give up the right to do anything to your property within the Rights of Way. ROW essentially lets you 'own' property, however you may not construct, sell, etc. anything on the property, yet you still pay taxes on it.

Satellite does not inhibit the usage of your property. You may construct a big steel contraption on your property, and the satellite companies can not do anything to stop you.
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

You have no clue what it is you are talking about.

Most cable taxes are there as franchise fees and other "payoffs" for them to have exclusive rights to that territory. How the muni uses that tax is up to them, but this attempt is simply cable trying to raise the rates of it's competitors without providing them more profit so they dont have to lower theirs.

If your muni wants to collect taxes to cover the cost of services being offered they need to find another way of doing it or drop the service. If not we can expand your flawed reasoning to having an internet tax on all purchases and even internet connections.
gpancner

join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA

Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

cable has an exclusive right to territory as mcdonald's has exclusive rights to hamburgers. exclusive cable tv franchises are illegal (see Cable TV Act of 1984). The fees are just another tax, and should be assessed upon all video providers equally..

DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX

said by gpancner See Profile:

Municipalities provide services that many satellite subscribers want but are unable and/or unwilling to pay for.
There is a reason for the tax levied on the cable since it uses infrastructure burried and maintainance of the roads etc where infrastructure passes costs to the city. With the Satellite the City does not incur any such charges and there is no reason to tax it. It would be taxation without representation.

However same money grab mentality that wants to tax VoIP is trying to tax the Satellite services.

Cell phone companies collect the same taxes as hard wire phone, so should satellite companies.
Cell phones needs to have towers in the neighborhood. You can make a case for that.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

Agreed -
Dish and DirecTv pay $$$ to have their satellites, and I imagine that they also pay $$$ to use a certain amount of spectrum. Other than that, there are NO local resources used that could be taxed. Cable, power lines, gas lines, phone lines, water lines, and cell phones require land within a city, and are typically on public land (or under the streets). None of this is required for satellite.

NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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Flower Mound, TX
Cell phone companies are forced to pay these taxes while we also find the same taxes passed onto us by the backhaul providers.

The residents want more towers, the councils moan, but then agree to it but then stab us in the back with taxes.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

There's 2 certainties in life:

Death and Taxes

John Galt
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Oceanside, OR

Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

said by en102 See Profile:

There's 2 certainties in life:

Death and Taxes
And I am not so sure about Death...!


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kinneyr2

join:2002-01-24
Carlsbad, CA
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I love the idea that taxing is a solution and not a problem. I can see where a foreign satellite company can beat cable and other providers simply because they will not be taxed.

People do respond to price; pharmaceuticals, internet shopping, etc.

cdru
Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN
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April 13th, @11:29AM

said by gpancner See Profile:
It's about making the satellite subscribers pay the same tax amount that cable subscribers do.
Satellite companies must lease/purchase frequency/orbital positions in order to broadcast. Cable, since they aren't using public airwaves, don't have these expenses. Should the satellite companies lobby to have a tax levied on cable companies to help make a level playing field? No. The expense in acquiring the rights to transmit are part of the operating expense of the company, as is the cost of the satellite, launch, uplink facility, etc. Just like cable TV has the head end, telephone poles, buried cable, franchise fees, etc. It's just the cost of doing business.

I don't have a problem, other then having to spend more, with charging sales tax on the service equally for both satellite and cable service. But the "satellite tax" isn't a sales tax, rather a thinly vail equivalent of a franchise fee. Cable companies make a franchise agreement with the city that usually says in exchange for the cable company carrying PI channels and paying a fee, the cable company gets exclusive rights for cable service and public right of ways to lay cable. Essentially a monopoly on local service. What would satellite companies get out of the deal? They already have airwave rights, purchased/acquired through the FCC. They use no local infrastructure. There is no reason for the satellite providers to pay the tax.
the dozer
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Douglasville, GA

said by gpancner See Profile:

It's about making the satellite subscribers pay the same tax amount that cable subscribers do. Municipalities provide services that many satellite subscribers want but are unable and/or unwilling to pay for. So they tax the easiest target (i.e. cable). Now that so many ignorant, whining freeloader types have gone to satellite those municipalities are losing tax revenue on a grand scale. The only way of recovering the loss is to apply the same amount of tax to all providers of video. Cell phone companies collect the same taxes as hard wire phone, so should satellite companies.
Are you implying that all satellite customers are ignorant & whining freeloaders? Hey we chose a better medium and don't need government digging any deeper in our pockets. A better way of recovering the loss is to cut spending. Wow!!! Don't figure!!
gpancner

join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA

Re: If you can't drop your own rates....

Most.

abetteridea

@optonline.net

I got a better idea, how about a 250% tax on the a$$e$ that thought up such a scheme! These people have learned nothing from the people a few hundred miles north who buy american satellite tv when they're no supposed to, who makes them think that people here will pay an unfair tax..
Companies who put wires to your home have higher costs, its just that simple.. and the more these companies try to scheme to screw a satellite and/or telco competitor, the more the cracks are showing about customer churn rates and telco advancements across the country... what I'm a bit disappointed in is only one company decided to do large scale fiber rollouts. Directv is doing massive HDTV rollouts too, this is why cablevision had no chance of gaining any marketshare.

Tech-2005

@pacbell.n

I can understand the cable tax since the coax cable physically lies on publicly owned property and often uses public infrastructure such as the telephone poles just like phone lines do.

Cell phones often need large cell sites sitting on government owned public property.

But what rational reason do they have to tax a satellite signal ? The satellite dish is usually sitting on your privately owned property or if you rent it is sitting on the owners private property. The satellite itself is in orbit miles up in space and often far south of the location receiving the signals. Where is the justification for the tax ? Most satellite TV providers already paid the federal government (FCC, etc.) money to use those frequency bandwithds to broadcast from space. How does that technology use public infrastructure to require government funds ?

This is simply a tax because you can tax situation and it is fundamentally wrong, illogical, and anti-American. I suppose we could all become like communist/socialist governments and have the government impose their will to tax anything at all for any reason at all. Essentially then government would have the hold on ALL technology. How about if they tax IPods music. They transmit music through a speaker cord. They could tax CB radios, or walkie talkie radios, or your (non cellular) wireless telephone or your XM or Sirius satellite radio. You can see that this gets ridiculous. However, if they tax satellite TV and get away with it they it opens Pandora's box of issues and this gets into the constitutionality of taxing services from a company across state lines.

Voyager2K2

join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA

Air is Free

Infrastructure is not.
What a load of garbage. Get over it cable!

ColdFiltered

join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA

Re: Air is Free

What does air have to do with it? Those satellites are ~22,000 miles away. I say tax those with business assets and or employees in the state. Didn't California try this not too long ago? West Coast Nuts at it again.

Jazzy1120
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·AT&T Southwest

AN'T NO WAY

There is NO WAY in helsinki that i will pay this, I HAD DIRECTV & IWILL GO BACK to DURECTV,(i am on cable because I am being FORCED to) not because a matter of choice,
besides SATALITE tv HAS MANY CUSTOMER FRIENDLY, options that cable tv (and the makers of the BOX0 could care about,)
IF THIS PASS's then i'am gone,,,,,,,TIME WARNER

rudnicke
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join:2004-10-23
Rantoul, IL
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This is just awful...

This has to be as bad as the anti-muni wireless telco's doing anything they can to keep the money in their pockets.
gpancner

join:2001-09-27
Nine Mile Falls, WA

Re: This is just awful...

when was the last time you kept your taxes in your pocket? how do cable companies and telcos keep their franchise fees (taxes) in their pockets?
the only major difference in price between cable tv and satellite is the tax they collect for municipalities.
jazzy112

join:2003-12-05
Fargo, ND

Re: This is just awful...

everything has a margin. I have cellular service from 2 different companies. Both of them are $40 plans, 1 bill (Verizon) is $45 and the other (Cell One) is $52.00. And verizon is using a lot of Cell One's towers, now if that just isn't downright greedy.

Along with a monthly tax, comes a monthly processing fee or a general rate hike to hire staff to deal with the government in 48 (continental) states. Everything has a margin. Cellular and Phone companies are just more honest in why they are charging you so much. Other companies bury it in the rates, however no matter who you choose you are still paying.

I wouldn't say they are profiting off of those fees, but it will mean an increase in your bill above the taxed amount.

amenite
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Ridgewood, NJ
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It's a trend

It's been going on for some time now. If you browse the program guide on DTV, you will see channels dedicated to this. But it used to be state specific with titles like "fight unfair satellite taxes in Kentucky". Now the channel just says "fight unfair satellite taxes". Unfortunately, it's not available in my area, I guess because they don't want to waste bandwidth in regions where it's not an immediate concern.
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bogey780

join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA

And what praytell are they paying the tax for?

The infrastructure and right of ways? The resources they use from the municipality

Why not tax radio stations and internet sites while they're at it.

Harry ball

@cityofeastlansing.co

Re: And what praytell are they paying the tax for?

Dont give them anymore ideas.

JTRockville
Data Ho
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Rockville, MD
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Why Not Make Both Industries Fund The Competition?

Do cable companies incur fees for building and launching the direct-to-home satellites used by DirecTV and EchoStar?
ke4pym

join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
·RoadRunner Cable
·Verizon BroadbandA..

Not really a big deal

They did that here in North Carolina a few years back. Cable had a sales tax (which doesn't make sense). So why not tax satellite service?

Really, it seems fair to me. I mean, I don't see them taking the sales tax away from Cable. So you might as well add it on to other pay TV delivery services.

No telling where those tax dollars are going, though.

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footballdude

join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

Make up their minds

I think all levels of government ought to make up their minds. Either have a sales tax or an income tax, but not both. And don't get me started on property taxes!
b10010011
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join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
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edit:
April 13th, @10:55AM

At least we still got our $15 car tabs!

Funny how people think we can just vote taxes away, and *poof* no more taxes.

At least that's what the great brain of Tim Eyman told us and people in Washington believed while they voted away the excise tax that was tacked on to our car tabs every year.

Well now that the state is broke, they are raising other taxes. Higher gas tax, sales tax, property tax, booze tax, cigarette tax, satellite tax, and rumor of a state income tax.

OMG, how can that happen! Tim TIM save us...
DAldredge

join:2003-11-11
Gladewater, TX

Re: At least we still got our $15 car tabs!

Why doesn't the state cut spending?
sanstrom5

join:2005-01-26
Vancouver, WA

What in the heck does this have to do with the discussion at hand? I have a friend that works at a gov. job.. He tells me I should pay higher vehicle tabs so he can have a job... I tell him FU.... We aren't so much friends anymore.. What I'm saying is that this isn't a Robin Hood society... I'm definitely not rich so why keep stealing from me? Everyone's always screaming about Enron/Worldcom.. What about the government.. The very people in the gov who lecture me on Corp greed are the heads of the biggest and greediest corp around.. BTW I live in Washington and you are full of crap.. Let's put it this way.. Tax stuff people can't live without is a good way to get your ass voted out of office.. Ask Grey Davis....Don't blame Washington being broke on the excise tax.. Put the blame where it lies.. Big gov.... SPEND LESS=No BROKE!!! Wow what a concept... It's the easy ones that always get you...
vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD
·Verizon FIOS

That is wrong

Totally wrong, satellite tv costs alot of money to operate and mainttain and satellites dont launch for free. Cable companies tear up yards and knock holes in your wall. Big busniess or not, satellite tv is right.
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Taget

join:2004-07-29

It's what they pay for...

...cable companies pay for the right of way and in many cases the franchises came into existence with large subsidies from the state and local governments.

Sattelite companies on the other hand pay large sums of money to the federal government for the use of the broadcast spectum they use. It also isn't free for them to get their highly expensive sattelites up in orbit.

This is nothing more than as others have said the cable company trying to unfairly raise competitors rates rather than lower their own. Same way they have to use the price of their cable modem service to uncompetively prop up their expensive and often inferior cable tv service.
deadzoned
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Baton Rouge, LA
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How can it even happen?

I find myself wondering how this can even get this far. It seems wrong on so many levels but yet it appears that it may at least go so far as to be considered at least. Capitalism is our system but sometimes I wonder if it's the best thing for us. Just seems to promote the ideal ology: "Anything for profits." Shouldn't be that way in my opinion.

Tech-2005

@pacbell.n

Re: How can it even happen?

How can it happen. It's called "Boston Tea Party Part Two". If U.S., state, local, or federal governments keeps "reaching" like this for non-representative taxes people will eventually revolt. We already had a Revolutionary War and fought all this non representative taxes crap over two hundred years ago. If we have to fight the psycho-leftist, socialist, and communist government infiltrators who proposed these taxes then "We The People of the United States of America" will do so. I don't care if they are Republicans, Democrats, Independents, or whatever fake name they call themselves, but this socialistic and communistic crap is NOT going to be tolerated by the silent majority masses of Americans !

jinjimbob
Troy Mcclure

join:2001-11-13
Enumclaw, WA

Sales tax on everything in WA?

I thought WA state taxed just about everything, to make up for not having an income tax?

They have sales tax on natural gas which is strange.
rbb

join:2000-09-17
Fairfax Station, VA

Simple avoidance...

The only way Washington could apply the 8% tax would be by the billing address. So, what's to prevent a dish owner or a group of dish owners use an out of state mailbox?

And are they going to go after XM and SIRIUS because some local cable operators carry local radio stations and/or streaming audio?

What could Washington do then? Force everyone to put a sticker on their dish signifying they paid the tax? Or have trucks roaming the neighborhoods for unregistered receivers like they do for televisions in the UK?

This is just a bad idea. The satellites are not using the local infrastructure, so they should not pay a tax. The cable companies are granted a monopoly, so they should pay. If they can't compete, then the solution is not to tax the competitor.

Keeping it real

@comcast.net

Re: Simple avoidance...

RGG said: The cable companies are granted a monopoly, so they should pay. If they can't compete, then the solution is not to tax the competitor.

Where do you guys get off with this monopoly theory? No hard wired cable system is "granted" any monopoly. There are MANY areas that have over-build areas where two systems lay cables in the same areas. The real reason why you don't see this often is because it's not cost effective and many companies are not willing to go in at a major loss in the name of competition! Laying plant is extrememly expensive and the amount of subscribers a second system would generate would never pay off.

There is no "monopoly status" granted to cable companies.. and this why DBS came into play. It was a way to reach more homes without the plant cost.

Now, in addition, I can see why the city would want a tax on satellite. The tax and spend system, which plagues our nation, is what is driving this more than anything.

Your cities have gotten used to the budget they have from taxed and depend on them. Common sense says that if the number of cable tv subscribers drop, the LFAs role would become less right? Afterall, the tax is based on a budgeted about on users. The fact that DBS is taking customers, which is ONLY GOING TO HAPPEN IN COMPETITION ENVIRONMENTS, means that the city needs to make up this money. Yes, cable is encouraging them to collect the tax, however, it is only fair that Satellite play on a level field. After all, if you don't support this method, then you are your own downfall.

You guys want cable to play fair, why would you not want it fair across the board? I will tell this group why, it's because the attitude here is "what's best for me" - there is alot of dual standards here.

And to sum this up, taxes don't have to have a "reason" to exsist. They just need to be voted into to law. A government can charge tax on what it feels they want and really don't need a reason. When DBS came into play, the industry doens't look at it as really "cable" any more.. rather now that cable is not a legally defined monopoly any more, they look at it as "delivered television" and therefore they are wanting to 1) tax a purchase made from the residents, and 2) tax a television service. Not to mention, many of the transactions are taking place in local areas now with the advents of resellers handing the satellite business anyhow.
TheGhost
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Lake Forest, IL
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Re: Simple avoidance...

said by Keeping it real:

RGG said: The cable companies are granted a monopoly, so they should pay. If they can't compete, then the solution is not to tax the competitor.

Where do you guys get off with this monopoly theory? No hard wired cable system is "granted" any monopoly. There are MANY areas that have over-build areas where two systems lay cables in the same areas. The real reason why you don't see this often is because it's not cost effective and many companies are not willing to go in at a major loss in the name of competition! Laying plant is extrememly expensive and the amount of subscribers a second system would generate would never pay off.

There is no "monopoly status" granted to cable companies.. and this why DBS came into play. It was a way to reach more homes without the plant cost.

Now, in addition, I can see why the city would want a tax on satellite. The tax and spend system, which plagues our nation, is what is driving this more than anything.

Your cities have gotten used to the budget they have from taxed and depend on them. Common sense says that if the number of cable tv subscribers drop, the LFAs role would become less right? Afterall, the tax is based on a budgeted about on users. The fact that DBS is taking customers, which is ONLY GOING TO HAPPEN IN COMPETITION ENVIRONMENTS, means that the city needs to make up this money. Yes, cable is encouraging them to collect the tax, however, it is only fair that Satellite play on a level field. After all, if you don't support this method, then you are your own downfall.

You guys want cable to play fair, why would you not want it fair across the board? I will tell this group why, it's because the attitude here is "what's best for me" - there is alot of dual standards here.

And to sum this up, taxes don't have to have a "reason" to exsist. They just need to be voted into to law. A government can charge tax on what it feels they want and really don't need a reason. When DBS came into play, the industry doens't look at it as really "cable" any more.. rather now that cable is not a legally defined monopoly any more, they look at it as "delivered television" and therefore they are wanting to 1) tax a purchase made from the residents, and 2) tax a television service. Not to mention, many of the transactions are taking place in local areas now with the advents of resellers handing the satellite business anyhow.
I guess things must vary by area. In most areas around here, cable companies get Exclusive franchise agreements, or at least the did until they drove out or bought up all small competitors.

We are now in a situation where no one could build a business case (except for Munis which view fibre as infrastructure) to go in and compete with Comcast/Cablevision/etc. They Cablecos have split up the US amongst themselves and have no desire to compete. If someone would try in one market, the Cableco would lower rates in that ONE market to drive the competitor out of business, using cross market or product subsidies, and then raise rates afterwards. Comcast has done this in the past.

Asking the SAT companies to pay this tax would be similar to asking Comcast/other cablecos to pay the FCC for broadcast spectrum and satellite launch fees like the SAT companies pay.

Yes, they are both television providers, but the medium is different. SAT companies are not regulated by local municipalities, but rather by the US Govt. Cablecos should just deal with it and cut the big bonuses of management.

Tech-2005

@pacbell.n

When you have a leftist socialist government running the show up their in WA and you have an improper election of the Governor where they count thousands of votes of criminals and illegal ballots as good its a recipe for disaster. I don't see WA as that different than Cuba or Venezuela. The government has thrown out the U.S. Constitution and they are running their own leftist socialist government up there in the Northwest. Why anyone with any common sense accepts this behavior from their state government is beyond me. At least here in California we have the will to oust these kinds of leftist turkeys like when we terminated Grey Davis's Governorship and replaced him with Arnold. Wake up Washington !!! QUIT voting for the same old leftist TURKEYS !!!

jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS

The Saddest Part of It All

With the cable conglomerates sending over lobbyists with bags full of cash and visions of power, the satellite companies will be forced to do the same in an effort to calm the storm. In the end, the consumer will most likely see a rate increase for either type of service to cover the cost of this greedy power play.

Damn them!

Tech-2005

@pacbell.n

Re: The Saddest Part of It All

Take a look and see how much money the cable companies PAID to fund the lunatic leftist socialists in the political races in the state of WA this past election. The politicians up there in WA are bought. Most of their leftist judges are bought and paid for. It's no different than paying the mafia to shake down a local business competitor. Its wrong, corrupt, and evil !

woody7
Premium
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Torrance, CA
·DSL EXTREME

Hmmmmmmmmm...

In my city, cable is considered a utility, and this has a "utility"tax, satelite isn't and doesn't have the tax, dropped time warner for "Dish" and it saves me the tax, and also a lot less expensive and better than their supposedly digital crap, the cablecos need to be "bioche" slapped
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averagedude

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Mesa, AZ
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edit:
April 13th, @01:35PM

Taxes are the problem

IMO taxes are the problem.

Little here, little there, some as usage, some as flat fees, some for no good reason.

Isn't there a better way for fed, states, local governments to get their money? Something simpler? Come on it is 2005!

Or is it that we don't trust government (all types) to fairly break out a simple tax?

Or is it that if we saw just how much we were paying in a lump sum that we would freak out?

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SKYWARP

join:2005-02-02
Portland, OR

Re: Taxes are the problem

I vote that if we knew how much we paid in a lump some we'd freak out. ROFLOL

thender
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY

This is sad..

My parents refuse to get cable or satelite because of the price. The only alternative is having less than 6 channels(only three that come in visibly, and grainy enough to make satelite users think their TV is broken) with an antenna. The big ones, FOX, NBC, CBS.. many still do, if they live in a suburb.

The rates are far too high, it's just basic TV. I don't watch it enough to justify paying even more monthly for it as I do the internet. It'd make more sense if you could lower the rates by only choosing the channels you'd like to watch, etc..

Oh well. I suppose I'll continue downloading TV off of my ISP's free, awesome newsgroups. "Piracy", the best solution to a corrupt industry.
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packetscan
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Bridgeport, CT
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edit:
April 13th, @03:20PM

Fairness

Will the cable companies also have a tax? if it's one and not that other that is discrimination. If Sat gets 8% so should cable. Period..

I'm getting really tired of the money getting flung around in these state governments.. what's next? tax the Air? Oh wait they already do that...

--Who do you want to pay off today?

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