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Houma, LA
clubs: | Finally! The people here have been saying this exact thing for months in all these topics. Let's see that women who can detect if wireless in installed in a place, put up or STFU!.
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dslextreme
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Canoga Park, CA | All she has to say is that she feels the effects everywhere. Then she wins and nobody can prove otherwise. | |
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| Re: Finally! said by nixen  :[Not really. Put her in an EM-shielded chamber (i.e., something that prevents all external RF sources from entering). Place WiFi APs in the room. If she can identify, precisely, when the emitters are active and when they go inactive, then one might reasonably conclude her claims are valid. She will also have to wear ear plugs and a blindfold for this test. I am able to detect a friend's wireless as soon as I enter the room. Line of site to the WAP, and watch the blinky lights! 
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c0de
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Richmond, VA | Re: Finally! okay so some black tape over the 'blinky lights' but why the ear plugs? | |
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San Jose, CA | Re: Finally! Power supply hum... | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
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| said by Chris 313 :The people here have been saying this exact thing for months in all these topics. AMEN!
This is such ridiculous nonsense, I cannot believe people are even putting this out there. EMI is everywhere, it's called natural background radiation, why do you think you hear static, lady, when you turn to some random frequency? Go sue your neighbors, they've got Wi-Fi too. Pfft...
This is retarded. Forget proving/disproving her status as a gigantic antenna, just make them STFU.
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EdibleTarget
Real Gamers Dont Use Consoles
join:2004-12-02
Lowell, MA | Make sure to eat your boogers so the mucus monsters dont take over the world!
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220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
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Mechanicsburg, PA | quite fitting. | |
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EveryName
Wake Up
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Montreal | Re: Finally! HAHA. Wow, those people are retarded. | |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | We are already bombarded with EMR...... We have enough EMR already floating around to see if this is a problem. Cordless phones operate on the same frequencies of WiFi units yet no one is telling people to ditch those things.
Prove your point and have it verified or STFU. | |
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kdepasquale
join:2004-03-13
Livermore, CA
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| Not quite the same thing... I don't think that comparing these people to Louis Pasteur is quite the same thing. At least he had some sort of scientific basis for his claim, whereas these people have none. We also know that EMR from all across the spectrum comes from the sun alone, and that (with the exception of melanoma from UV rays) certainly isn't killing us. | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC | Microwave I'd be more worried about the 1000 watt or 1500 watt Microwave then the 100 milli-Watt WiFi access point.
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Davie, FL | Re: Microwave Unless you removed the door, the microwave is shielded. And it's usually turned off. | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Microwave said by quatrix :Unless you removed the door, the microwave is shielded. And it's usually turned off. Yes, shielded by a few millimeters of steel or aluminum, yet putting out millions of times more radiation than an access point.
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kdepasquale
join:2004-03-13
Livermore, CA | Re: Microwave But the microwaves are stopped by the aluminum. And no, it doesn't get out of the holes - the waves are too large to get through. That's why all microwaves have about the same size of holes (or gaps) in their screen. | |
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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| Re: Microwave said by keyboard5684 :Put a spectrum analyzer in a 10,000 sq ft building.... You will be amazed at what you see. Huge amounts of random RF coming from that oven. Your wifi spots will not really even be visible anymore. Check this out...
»www.metageek.net/wi-spy/benefits.php
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Your member at work
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1 edit | I put my wireless-g mimo router on channel 1 and I don't seem to have problems with nearby microwave ovens at all anymore. I used to have it on channel 7 and whenever the MW was turned on it would totally crap out every time and wouldn't come back until it was done nuking my food too.
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Karl Uppiano
join:2003-02-02
Ferndale, WA
| And yet, still nowhere near as energetic as visible light.
High intensity might make you hot, but the "color" (frequency) determines the energy. All radio waves are in the far, far, far, infared. Going up in energy, you then have infared, visible light (red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet), ultraviolet, x-rays, gamma rays...
You have to get into the UV to even get a sunburn. | |
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| no_coin
join:2002-10-17
Tyngsboro, MA | Re: CELL PHONE radiation on your BRAIN Seems that cell phones pose a bigger hazard cause you hold it up to your head - spewing radio waves many times stronger that wifi.
Take those phones away from our kids | |
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c0de
join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA | Re: CELL PHONE radiation on your BRAIN seriously, take them away from the kids, you should have to be 18 to have a cell phone, effing 12 yo kids acting like fools! | |
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LiberalKing
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Bronx, NY | WIFI CORPS bought scientist they have invested billions trying to shut down studies and have them sealed from the public. wifi = cancerous cells.
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Cheese
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| Re: WIFI CORPS bought scientist said by LiberalKing :they have invested billions trying to shut down studies and have them sealed from the public. wifi = cancerous cells. .........  | |
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| bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
| said by LiberalKing :they have invested billions trying to shut down studies and have them sealed from the public. wifi = cancerous cells. Really? Who are "they" and do you have any facts to back up that claim?
wifi (2.4GHz) = cancerous cells
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cordless phone/baby monitor/wireless video game controller (2.4 GHz) != cancerous cells
Are you serious? So you mean to tell us that the cause of the cancer is the payload travelling over the waves and not the frequency of the waves themselves? I find that pretty hard to swallow... | |
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Jason Levine
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USA
| Re: WIFI CORPS bought scientist said by bbenso1 :So you mean to tell us that the cause of the cancer is the payload travelling over the waves and not the frequency of the waves themselves? I find that pretty hard to swallow... That's it! Viagra spam over Wi-Fi causes cancer! | |
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join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
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| said by bbenso1 :said by LiberalKing :they have invested billions trying to shut down studies and have them sealed from the public. wifi = cancerous cells. Really? Who are "they" and do you have any facts to back up that claim? wifi (2.4GHz) = cancerous cells but cordless phone/baby monitor/wireless video game controller (2.4 GHz) != cancerous cells Are you serious? So you mean to tell us that the cause of the cancer is the payload travelling over the waves and not the frequency of the waves themselves? I find that pretty hard to swallow... You've gotta watch out for the mysterious THEY! THEY do everything. THEY rule the world. THEY keep us from knowing important information...... /sarcasm | |
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join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD | "They" are the Van Patten family, source of evil and scourage of humanity since the Great Fall.
Whoops, sorry, my aluminum foil hat sliiped off while I was in the fallout shelter. I'm all better now! | |
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DataDoc
My avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.
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Greenville, NC
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| Re: WIFI CORPS bought scientist
Dick Van Patten, source of evil |
said by Desdinova :"They" are the Van Patten family, source of evil and scourage of humanity since the Great Fall. Whoops, sorry, my aluminum foil hat sliiped off while I was in the fallout shelter. I'm all better now! 
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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Miami, FL
| You know a topic similar to this one was posted a few days back and I read your post. At first I thought you where being sarcastic but I guess you are really serious on that one.
In which case, if you plan to ban WiFi might as well ban everything on the 2.4GHZ frequency. Best bet you won't be able to eat any of that microvable food either.
We should all just live under a rock, not move, stand perfectly still, because if we move we might sprain a muscle and we all know how a PITA that could be. Yup I sure enjoy my life living under a rock, but even then living under a rock means it's going to get bloody cold so I can get sick. Then what? | |
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shawncat
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| Re: WIFI CORPS bought scientist Have to outlaw pringles cans too! I can feel the wifi inherent in the potential antenna that a can could become in the hands of a heathen... uh... hacker, wait, hold on, let me get on the web on my cell and make sure that's the word I'm looking for, NO! Wardrivers! That's it! Spreading their godless wifi radiation into my brain! Tinfoil won't stop it! | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
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New Jersey
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| Opposite arguement Okay I find it really interesting how people are all attacking these people who claim to have been "hurt" by wifi. Could this be a psychosomatic response to an "unknown" ? I think its like the microwave people were afraid when they first come out, i think its just the same phenomenon. | |
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join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
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| Re: Opposite arguement Problem is no one really knows.
What if the people actually have some kind of medical condition caused, or not caused, by radio waves.
There should be studies on this, a lot more.
If it proves them wrong then fine, if it finds something then maybe save a whole generation.
Some people may simply be more sensitive to these things.
I have actually got a headache when working around really high power radio equipment (I thought the transmitter was off). The person I was working with also got a headache, until we figured out the transmitter was on and we shut it off. Our headaches went away...hmmm.
Could be BS, may not be.
Remember all the research when cell phones came out?
The research actually DID PROVE analog cell phones cause cancer and other problems.
It was also found that digital signals did not.
(I cannot remember the theory why but analog is more of a constant wave when digital is more of a pulse, on/off and did not manipulate the cells/agitate the cells) | |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
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clubs: | Re: Opposite arguement yes yes. stop your thinking and just bash away at these freaks. freaks for thinking that everyone is the same and experiences the world exactly as they do.
people are different. | |
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TrueAudio
192khz
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Richmond, CA | Youll never guess... My LAN conection gave me the flu yesterday.. I think im shutting down this operation before anyone gets seriously injured. | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
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| Radiation by any other name is still radiation!
Different cells react differently. You have an allergy to pollen? I don't. But I'm allergic to latex. Are you?
I can hear certain frequencies that might make a woman scream in pain, yet I can't hear the one of my watch's 2nd hand. Does that make me crazy? No. Irrational? No.
But cell tissues DO react to prolonged exposure to radiation. Whether from cellphones, radios, EMF/EMR, paging, microwaves... just how much and how long isn't understood.
Anyway, there are tin hats, tin-plated mesh and other metal fabrics that can protect you (and your schoolkids) if you are that concerned. You can even radhard your home. However, don't expect to receive any signals inside.
Just remember that WiFi is responsible for global warming...radiating the atmosphere! 
(I'm kidding. It's really all the GPS and COMsats...) | |
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join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
| Re: Radiation by any other name is said by cableties :I can hear certain frequencies that might make a woman scream in pain, yet I can't hear the one of my watch's 2nd hand. Does that make me crazy? No. Irrational? No. Yes, but that's totally different than what this lady is claiming. She claims that specifically wifi affects her health. Please note that there are myriad other devices that operate on the same frequency as wifi, but according to her they don't effect her. So her argument seems to be 2.4GHz signal carrying IP packets = bad, but 2.4GHz signal carrying a phone call or anything else = no problem. Seems a little fishy, doesn't it? Now if she was claiming that any wireless signal in the 2.4GHz spectrum caused her problems I'd be a little more open-minded about this.
She also claims that she can immediately tell if wifi is available in a location because of it's effects on her. I suppose then that she can differentiate between the feeling of wifi in the air and the feeling of a 2.4GHz baby monitor signal in the air, right? | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Re: Radiation by any other name is said by bbenso1 :... She also claims that she can immediately tell if wifi is available in a location because of it's effects on her. I suppose then that she can differentiate between the feeling of wifi in the air and the feeling of a 2.4GHz baby monitor signal in the air, right?
Yeah. One of them sounds like a baby crying. The other sounds like a day trader crying....
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join:2003-07-23
College Station, TX
| ... and your average Joe isn't Superman either. It is however retarded the way some people are freaking out. You are far more likely to die in a car accident than die from Wi-Fi.
... However, was the accident cause by trying to use his laptop and surf the internet via WiFi? rofl, other than that, this is just people scared of technology. | |
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amungus
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America
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| Well, what a novel idea ...Gee, testing? Really? What a notion!
Of course there can be effects. OTOH, most electronics aren't meant to affect most people, but that doesn't mean that some people don't still feel something.
I'd like to see more study myself. After all, wouldn't it be stupid to look back 20+ yrs. from now and say, "those idiots, what were they thinking when they covered entire cities with this stuff?"
Sure, most signals being broadcast today are considered "safe" by many different, independent, measures, I don't think anybody would be having children otherwise
All I'm saying is that some things may have other effects which haven't been fully studied yet; we could all benefit from more knowledge of the subject. ...And I'd do my part by continuing to surf wirelessly on my couch of course 
Anyway, thought this was kind of interesting
..From an article I found after a minute or two with good ol' google...
"McCally et al.22 reported damage to corneal epithelium in Cynomolgus monkeys after 2.45 GHz irradiation for 6everal hours at only 20-30 mW/cm2 (CW) or even 10-15 mW/cm2 with pulsed fields. Therefore, the results of Paz23 strongly suggests that the potential for eye injury exists in surgery where EMF fields are present."
»www.aehf.com/articles/em_sensitive.html | |
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mazhurg
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| Re: Well, what a novel idea 20-30 mW/cm2 or even 10-15 mW/cm2 with pulsed fields. mmm.. considering that most laser pointers put out less than 5mw/Cm2 and can damage your eyes permanently in under a second, I'd say there was a good reason for the reported damage.
Note that this is polarized radiation, and that Wi-Fi is not. | |
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| Re: Well, what a novel idea um, nowhere in that article were lasers mentioned.
in fact, the word "irradiation" was used. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irradiation
Also, if you'd bother to have read even the 1st part of the article (also called "the abstract"), you can plainly see in the very 1st sentence the following words:
"Abstract
A multiphase study was performed to find an effective method to evaluate electromagnetic field (EMF) sensitivity of patients."
...emphasis mine...
I am confused... | |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| the more things change... the more they stay the same... this type of hype/scare is nothing more than old wives tales that are rehashed for our modern age... these people who are claiming such things are idiots without a shred of evidence to back up their claims... they use junk pseudo-science to bolster their ideas and then find a soap box to promote it in places of business, schools, government, etc...
if there was ever a reason to sue someone to get them to stop doing something like this, then i'd say this would be a good example of it... provide proof or be quiet... | |
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DrModem
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USA | LOL Finally a reasonable human being lol | |
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Yehaw. That's a real relief to know my precious bodily fluids are safe from Wi-Fi. | |
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| enrolk
join:2002-04-23
Murrells Inlet, SC
| Re: Yehaw. When I turn on my 900 watt microwave oven I get an erection.
My wife complains that I'm too small. Should I buy a 1100 watt microwave oven to satisfy her?
Watt could be the problem?
All these people we hear about now a days just want attention, and thanks to a media who will print anything to make a buck these people get their needed jollies.
Forums have taken the place of old women gossiping on the front steps.
Each one of us can have our thoughts and feelings spread across the airwaves for thousands to read.
Every pervert can have his or HER case heard by a jury of their peers.
Yes. You guessed it. I'm a Wheaty. Eat me.
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Timmn
join:2000-04-23
Tinley Park, IL |  AH HA!
And my Doctor is trying to blame it on my age, just goes to show how much he knows! | |
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AlexNYC
join:2001-06-02
Edwards, CO | Ignorance is bliss I think the LACK of Wi-Fi is hurting people more ... | |
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nonner9
join:2005-10-14
Charlotte, NC
| Science, what's that? Let's use anecdotal evidence to prove we are right. My grandfather lived under power lines in a magnetic field next to high power antennas while smoking 3 packs of cigarettes for breakfast, drinking a bottle of whiskey for dinner, and 10 lbs of red meat at dinner. He lived to be 110 yrs old. Obviously, the wifi signals aren't more powerful than everything he went through, and he was fine!
I think someone should sell these people Moxie... remember, it's a soda that cures neurological disorders. I need science, it works in 8/10 people. | |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | Those people are crazy. There was a time when they thought fallout from an A-bomb was harmful. I drank milk from cows that ate grass that was sprinkled with fallout from above ground tests. So there. | |
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AB
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Leesburg, VA | Help me please! The Kaiser IS snooping on ME! | |
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MarkinCT
What Are You Looking Here For?
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join:2003-09-03
West Hartford, CT
| Re: Help me please! I don't know if the Kaiser is snooping on me... but he is putting Alar on my apples!
And the voice I hear from the UN compound in New Mexico is telling me "The dog barks at the red door."
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