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| Come on people...... With so many places that don't have basic food or clean water, how can some countries even be concerned with broadband? 
Sounds like more idealistic talk with a UN that, more and more, becomes further disconnected from its intended mission. | |
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| UN is Worthless This is an agency that can't feed the hungry, can't enrich the poor, can't disarm terrorist groups, rapes the vulnerable, takes bribes from dictators in trouble and puts oppressive states in charge of human rights.
Aside from lacking the legal authority to make such a proclamation, what moral authority does it have to make such a statement?
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Rockville, MD | Re: UN is Worthless you don't think broadband is important?
or you don't want third world countries clogging up our tubes? | |
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| Re: UN is Worthless said by nasadude  :you don't think broadband is important? No. And broadband is certainly not as important as feeding the hungry, helping the poor to not be poor, disarming terrorist groups, not raping the vulnerable, steering clear of bribes from corrupt governments, and protecting human rights. All of these things are what the UN is supposed to be doing.
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| Re: UN is Worthless you a luddite or somthin'?
I agree the UN can and should be doing all those things you mention, but I hate to tell ya, broadband is the future whether you believe it or not.
that's why I think the U.S. will eventually suffer in the world community if we don't get our sheeit together about making real broadband available thruout the country. | |
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| Re: UN is Worthless said by nasadude :you a luddite or somthin'? What's more important? Paying for broadband or making a mortgage payment? If I had to choose between the two, I will guarantee that keeping a roof over my head is a wee bit more important than broadband.
said by nasadude :that's why I think the U.S. will eventually suffer in the world community if we don't get our sheeit together about making real broadband available thruout the country. And in the meantime, anyone who wants broadband in the USA is free to do what I did and move to where the broadband is. People who willingly choose to move to an unserved area have no one to blame but themselves for their predicaments.
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| Re: UN is Worthless Their argument would be that the two are related. In order to be able to feed themselves and keep a roof over their heads people need to participate fully in the economy. The concern is not just with providing charity to feed and house people, but with creating the conditions that allow them to become self-sufficient. If you want people to be able to become self sufficient they have to have access to the tools of the modern economy and an increasingly important tool is communications access. Societies without the proper communications and transportation infrastructure generally remain societies that are perpetually economically backward and isolated.
Obviously this is complicated by the many other reasons that people may be economically isolated, including things like wars, perverse and corrupt governments etc., but I don't think the failure of the UN to solve global poverty and war necessarily renders their argument illegitimate. | |
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| Re: UN is Worthless To the anon: Your seeing it all wrong and looking too far ahead. Think of it as building a house. You start with the foundation because that is what will keep the house standing. You don't roll into the dirt and drop a line of fiber optic cable and say this will build you up and get you going. "Yeah, until you get bricks and lumber, you can at least sit in the dirt and download porn."
Once you have a solid structure, then you bring in your utilities, not before. | |
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| said by nasadude :you a luddite or somthin'? I agree the UN can and should be doing all those things you mention, but I hate to tell ya, broadband is the future whether you believe it or not. Sorry but without all those other things, those people have no future that broadband could create. Also, you would be hard pressed to find a luddite on this site. | |
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| said by pnh102 :said by nasadude :you don't think broadband is important? No. And broadband is certainly not as important as feeding the hungry, helping the poor to not be poor, disarming terrorist groups, not raping the vulnerable, steering clear of bribes from corrupt governments, and protecting human rights. All of these things are what the UN is supposed to be doing. Is electricity a utility? How about transporation systems? | |
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Deep River, CT | Re: UN is Worthless I'd be willing to bet when electricity was invented there were still some people saying "What do we need this for? Candles and fire work just fine." | |
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| said by pnh102 :This is an agency that can't feed the hungry, can't enrich the poor, can't disarm terrorist groups, rapes the vulnerable, takes bribes from dictators in trouble and puts oppressive states in charge of human rights. Aside from lacking the legal authority to make such a proclamation, what moral authority does it have to make such a statement? I was about to make a similar post until I saw yours. I cant agree more, the UN is like the ACLU of the international world. All either of them do is go around stirring up trouble, yet (THANKFULLY) neither of them has the far reaching powers they seek. The UN should be disbanded immediately. They are honestly a worthless bunch of idiots that cant get anything done. They send "peace keeping" soldiers into the most dangerous areas of the world and then prohibit them from engaging rapists, murderers, and terrorists who commit crimes right in front of them. If the UN decides to step up to the plate and actually create a military deterrence and do something for once, then I might consider revising my statement. Lets not forget the billions of dollars they waste "talking" about world issues and then doing nothing about them.
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| Re: UN is Worthless said by ieolus :Wait, you talking the UN or the US government? The US government does more good for more people in the world in one minute than the UN has done in 60 years.
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| Say what? Can we live without electricity in our society?
Not well at all.
Can we live without running water in our society?
Not well at all.
Can we live without trash/waste disposal?
Not well at all.
Can we live without broadband?
We can. We just have to rely on services like FED EX, USPS, UPS, dial-up, courier service, FAX, telephone etc, etc etc.
Broadband is a convenience. It makes things easier, attainment of data easier and just saves time.
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| Re: Say what? said by Slidetbone :Can we live without electricity in our society? Not well at all. Can we live without running water in our society? Not well at all. Can we live without trash/waste disposal? Not well at all. Can we live without broadband? We can. We just have to rely on services like FED EX, USPS, UPS, dial-up, courier service, FAX, telephone etc, etc etc. Broadband is a convenience. It makes things easier, attainment of data easier and just saves time. Let the bashing begin! You have a few misconceptions here
Power lines stopped at my home and did not continue my neighbor.
Can someone live with out municipal electric?
Yes they do quite well with a small generator, they use to recharge a battery bank, which primarily is used to run there computer network
Running water?
They do fine with a hand pump well, and a free flowing spring down the road.
Trash collection that is the least of someone’s worries in the country.
Net access That is the one they cannot live without, it is the only way they can be self-sufficient. Without which they would be on the public dole.
Dial up is the primary limiting factor to there home business
Broadband would be the path to all the others. | |
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| Re: Say what? comparing everyday necessities like electricity to broadband is ludicrous...
Most people in those countries can't even afford a computer...or a phone....or food, so shoving broadband down their throats is moot. Broadband isn't needed to live, even in the "civilized" world. Most in those countries aren't concerned about their "home business", they are just concerned about their homes...whether it's if their homes will survive the next flood or be overrun by Arab militias killing all the males...
If a country considers it a utility then let them hash it out, they certainly don't need the UN of all people telling them they must provide it. I am sure the UN would love to have control on how broadband is deployed too.
When you are an organization that puts countries like Sudan a place on the Human Rights Council, you loose what little credibility you had.
more importantly...I got to use ludicrous in a sentence...
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| Misconceptions? Not really my friend.
If they want to live by generated electric, pumped water and digging trash and sewage in the ground, that is their prerogative.
They have telephone service? Then net access is available.
No broadband? Yes, they can get broadband via satellite. Can they talk on a cellphone? Then it is possible wireless broadband access is available.
Wait, is it price of satellite broadband the limiting factor here? Well, with the rising cost of running that gas generator, they sure would be able to afford it if they had municipal or coop electric service. See? We have choices. Or is it that they WANT the cheaper prices the city dwellers pay for it? It does not work that way.
Would broadband help run a business better? Of course it will...hands down.
We make choices to either live the hustle and bustle of the city and suburbs or to live out in the nice quiet countryside, away from the daily mess and light pollution.
When we did not have broadband, we were slap happy with dial-up. But progress and conveniences are a beautiful thing that....not everyone can enjoy.
The bottom line is that broadband technologies have physical limitations, whether it is the cost of running a line or coax to a remote location or the signal attenuation of broadband over an extremely long transport.
The telcos/cable companies will not put forth the capital to run repeaters and long lines that cost more than the return they can get for a small customer base.
This clearly demonstrates that people go for broadband based on price (which is another can of worms).
People can live without broadband and make do with what they got, or they will have to pay for satellite broadband. It is that simple.
Broadband is not a utility, it is an oxymoron!
Wait! The article is about running a business with broadband services. Then, I guess cost should should not be a factor...
That, unfortunately, is the capitalist way, my friend. | |
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| said by Slidetbone :Can we live without electricity in our society? Not well at all. Can we live without running water in our society? Not well at all. Can we live without trash/waste disposal? Not well at all. Can we live without broadband? We can. We just have to rely on services like FED EX, USPS, UPS, dial-up, courier service, FAX, telephone etc, etc etc. Broadband is a convenience. It makes things easier, attainment of data easier and just saves time. Let the bashing begin! Nothing is really "needed." It is getting to a point where Internet access is a "not well at all." The telecommunications industry is indeed a pivotal utility industry and broadband is "necessary" to survive in a global business environment in which others have broadband. It may be a luxury in the home (the same way the telephone and light are), but for businesses, it is safe to call broadband a utility. | |
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| Re: Say what? Then being that the option, they should be able to afford a business package using satellite access.
I hear it everyday...telcos this, cable companies that, bla bla bla. We have choices and so do businesses. Pay for what you can get your hands on if you need it. | |
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| Re: Say what? said by Slidetbone :Then being that the option, they should be able to afford a business package using satellite access. I hear it everyday...telcos this, cable companies that, bla bla bla. We have choices and so do businesses. Pay for what you can get your hands on if you need it. have you been to New Mexico or Wyoming recently? Who is arguing that utilities should be free? No one. However, if there is NO access, what option is there.
How do you define broadband? What is the median spread of satellite Internet? Do these things conflict?
The government though phone service was important enough to spread an initiative ensuring EVERYONE had access to phones. How is broadband essentially different? | |
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Forest, OH | Re: Say what? I think you make a great point. To many people are confusing ACCESS with PAYING FOR SERVICE. | |
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Calabash, NC | And we care WHY????? Who cares what the UN thinks?
We've had this argument/discussion on these forums several times. Will broadband eventually become a utility? Probably. Should it be considered one now. No.
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| Did I miss somthing? From what I read it said the broadband has become vital for business. Nowhere did I see it was a necessity for the average person (or average poor person as the case may be.)
Look at it from this perspective: If developing countries can't provide the necessary tools for businesses to survive (home-grown or foreign) how will these countries attract the kind of investment that helps to build the infrastructure to allow people to prosper and make poor people considerably less poor. Yes, I understand that without potable water or stable electricity, business cannot thrive and no one will invest. My point is that broadband is almost on par with those services to help build an economy. Broadband (if used properly) can also help expand educational options at a lower cost. Without such educational opportunities, no place can prosper. | |
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join:2005-10-17 | hrmm... guess that means rural america will get broadband ... like phone service if its a utility they have to serve everyone no more cherry picking | |
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| Re: hrmm... guess that means rural america said by ftthz :will get broadband ... like phone service if its a utility they have to serve everyone no more cherry picking Exactly!!!! 
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| Re: hrmm... guess that means rural america sure...if the that bunch of idiots at the UN get power over our country and we listen to what they say....fortunately that will never happen...broadband providers are still companies motivated by one thing...profit. So if they don't want to set up in areas that aren't profitable...it's their choice...
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| Re: hrmm... guess that means rural america Actually, a lot of the areas that they refuse to service would be profitable. It just wouldn't have as high an ROI or as big a profit margin as they can get in urban areas, which I think is a joke. I believe that it is actually cheaper to wire most rural areas than urban, and they could do it quicker in rural areas. | |
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| Depends on where you are standing-- If you are standing in Ethiopia-FOOD would probably the most important thing to desire- If you are in Somalia-Some sort of security--Here in the USA BB COULD be thought of as something necessary to encourage growth of business and commerce-It's all relative. | |
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Arlington, VA | Re: Depends on where you are standing-- to add to that list...the UN needs to worry about making themselves legitimate again... | |
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N3OGH
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| UN says broadband a utility While hundreds of thousands die in the genocide in Darfur, Kofi Annan and his cronies take food for oil money.
Something tells me this is an agency that really doesn't have it's priorities straight...
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| Re: UN says broadband a utility said by N3OGH :While hundreds of thousands die in the genocide in Darfur, Kofi Annan and his cronies take food for oil money. Something tells me this is an agency that really doesn't have it's priorities straight... Agreed... | |
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