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Democrats Want ATT/BellSouth Merger Delay
First order of business for John Dingell
As we mentioned yesterday, the Democratic shift in Congress means new heads of several key committees on telecom issues. Democrat John Dingell (MI) will be appointed chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, which oversees phone & cable operators. It appears that his first request is that the FCC hold off on approving the AT&T BellSouth merger. A partisan deadlock at the FCC has already delayed voting three times. Conservative commissioners want the merger approved with no conditions, while Democrats have been unimpressed with AT&T's proposed concessions.
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mesmerMAN
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This is the start of a series of headaches for Big Business

whether that's a good thing or not depends on your commitement to big business and how they prove themselves to the little man

DaBavarian
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Re: This is the start of a series of headaches for Big Business

Followed by high taxes. You would think with San Fran Values applied Democrats would be more involved in promoting broadband and deployment. Deployment is only going to happen by the means of big business to make it happen with private investment. Maybe there will be a welfare system established broadband now and free computers for all the public funded wifi.

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Deployment is only going to happen by the means of big business to make it happen with private investment.
What does that even mean?
Are you suggesting the only way for consumers to have broadband available is to depend on private enterprise?
If so, doesn't that completely ignore (and thus become invalid) the multiple muni efforts currently established or under development?
KM

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Personally, I just don't see public funded Internet access being an adequate answer or much of anything else that government provides/runs. If broadband access is considered a "right" as some communities call it then those same communities should also be willing to pay for computers for its residence to access the wifi network.
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residents....(sp)

Maxo
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Personally, I just don't see public funded Internet access being an adequate answer or much of anything else that government provides/runs.
A municipal running a service is not within and of itself a bad thing. Some local governments do a good job, others a bad. Many cities and counties run their own garbage collection/recycling, electricity, water, and other services just fine. There is no reason a locally owned ISP can't do a good job. In fact, many are doing good. If the locals vote to approve having their tax money spent on a muni-ISP then they should have every right to give it a shot. If it fails then it's their own money down the drain.

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Why not? The hardest part and the most cost of installing highspeed broadband is laying the fiber in the ground to every house. Even if in a few years it is deemed to costly to upgrade muni hardware, the network is there and probably could easily be rented out to ISPs that can offer more services.
The biggest reason people don't have fiber is the cost, if the towns installed it themselves, they open the door to many options.

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said by DaBavarian:

Deployment is only going to happen by the means of big business to make it happen with private investment.
Broadband deployment will happen as companies think it is profitable. If they think deploying technology X at location Y will be profitable they will do it. With the way things have been going competition will be nil and there will be little incentive for ISPs to expand as they won't be in a race with anyone else. They'll do it at their own leisure with minimal risk. If we can get real competition companies will be climbing over each other to offer services and not be left behind.
I'm for deregulation, to a point, but at some point you have to say enough is enough, monopolies are getting too big, and the US is suffering from it.

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so what
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said by dnabdaorb :

so what
Consider the source:

dnabdaorb(anon)
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another f**king teletroll, don't we have enough Telco cheerleaders already registered here..?

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so what

Consider the source:

dnabdaorb(anon)
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another f**king teletroll, don't we have enough Telco cheerleaders already registered here..?
to forum · » · · 2006-11-09 13:07:09 ·

I am a retired telco and I can tell you FOR SURE that before 1984 service was much better.
Telco's use to pride themselves on their service- there were local not regional service centers. Local centers had ring down lines to the central office so when you had a trouble it was fixed fast- now you go to a regional center where it goes thru several layers of clerks before it get to a tester then several more layers before it get to a field tech by which time the the original trouble is a rumor.
Company values were service first, now it is stock price ,stock price, stock price then service- and yes before 1984 telco (read ATT) was into new technology- you might remember where the transistor came from.
The US phone system was the best in the world (may still be?) the 1984 split was only so a bunch of congressmen could get rich with MCI.

rant,rant
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As a retired SWBC employee I agree. In the day we had an unparalleled support structure and cared about our customers and employees.

The company has changed, as all companies have. Pre 80's Health Care was affordable and headache free too. The MBA's took over business in the '80s and the greed is good factor became the norm.

It has been downhill since the "Personell Department" became "Human Resources". Remember, in these times humans are a resource to be used to fatten bonus checks and the bottom line. For the most part large companies are sweatshops, complete with Machevelian management.

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If it's not worth the profits gained in a particular area, broadband deployment will never come from the private sector, so what is your option?
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Followed by high taxes.
WRONG! I will put money on that 95% of the population will NOT see any tax increase. More like REDUCED taxes. The 5% that may get a tax increase. Well Bill Gates can afford it. I have no pity for them. One less vacation house. Too fricking bad.

Funny how some peole care more about the people that make substantially more than them( and those rich people don't give a rats behind about them ) than those less fortunate.

If you are in the bottom of that top 5% that means you make at least $175K a year which is 5 times what the average American makes. If you are worried about higher taxes make less money. Quit your job and go work for wal-mart. Otherwise STFU.
pabster
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You, sir, are an idiot.

High taxes are bad news whether your gross income is $12,000 per year or $1.2 million per year.

The era of San Francisco liberal Democrat kookery is upon us. I just wonder how long it will take the sheeple to realize they've been bamboozled.

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"wonder how long it will take the sheeple to realize they've been bamboozled."

Umm, they just realized it two days ago. You know, when they voted OUT the fat cat republican scum from BOTH the house AND the senate. The election was in fact a national referendum on the failed bush regime policies. And the so called 'sheeple' raised their voices, and said 'enough with the republicans, let's get our country BACK on track'
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"And the so called 'sheeple' raised their voices, and said 'enough with the republicans, let's get our country BACK on track'"

Until their taxes go up, gun laws tighten, and millions of taxpayer dollars are wasted on phoney "investigations"...

Trust me, it won't be that long before the sheeple wake up. I give it less than 6 months.

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I'm with you pabster but just to be safe, I will be going to Sportsmans Warehouse next week and purchasing an arsenal of weapons.

guitarzan
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said by dispatcher21:

I'm with you pabster but just to be safe, I will be going to Sportsmans Warehouse next week and purchasing an arsenal of weapons.
Good idea and i would like to add to that.

But what to do? What gesture could we gun owners in particular, and Second Amendment supporters in general, make that would smack these disgusting gun-controllers in the nose?

What if, on just one day of the year, every gun owner in the United States went out and bought a hundred rounds of ammunition?

Given that there are as many as seventy-five million gun owners in the United States, the net result would be that 7.5 billion rounds of ammunition would go into public circulation, in one day.

Now not every gun owner is going to do this. Heck, of the 75 million gun owners, only about 6% (4 million-odd) belong to a Second Amendment-supporting organization like Gun Owners of America, the Second Amendment Sisters, RKBA, and of course the NRA. Not everyone is going to get the word, either, especially as you will hear not a peep about this in the established gun media, let alone in the so-called “mainstream” media.

But what if just 15% of all gun owners bought themselves a hundred rounds of ammo on the same day? That would be over a billion rounds of ammunition going into circulation—and that’s what I’m aiming for.

Heck, gun owners have to buy ammo all the time—we’re just asking that they all buy it on the same day.

Most importantly, however, is what a billion rounds of ammo does for gun ownership in the United States: It sends a message to the local and international gun-grabbers that gun owners have considerable muscle.

If the country is awash in ammunition, it makes the prospect of punitive sales taxes a moot issue—no point in hoping that people will run out of ammunition when everyone has a huge supply of it.

So I’m making a personal appeal to all gun owners and Second Amendment supporters in the United States:

Please buy 100 rounds of your favorite ammunition on week of November 11-19, 2006.

Why this week? Well, the best thing about National Ammo Day/Week is that it’s just an ordinary week, a week before Thanksgiving week. There’s no conflict with any holiday or other event—it’s just an ordinary time of the year.

And the very best present I can think of would be a poke in the eye for all gun-grabbers, gun-fearing wussies and their media lickspittles. Just for one week, I’d like millions of ordinary, law-abiding people to stand up and make a defiant, and legal, gesture at the face of authority.

This is not being sponsored by anyone, and has no official anything. It’s just plain old popular defiance—and it’s perfectly legal, and requires no one to do anything out of the ordinary.

One hundred rounds. More if you can afford it.

November 11-19, 2006.

National Ammo Day/Week.

One billion rounds of ammunition into private hands, in one week.

It'd be easier to go to one of the "little guys" to get your share, though some people say that since Wal-Mart tracks ammo sales, it might make more of an impact if you get it there...

Let's send a message that us gun owners ain't going away!

REMEMBER - the week of NOV 11! If you have any purchases lined up for next week, please hold off if possible to help add it to the "statement!"

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I'm fine with people owning guns--Franklin said it best, giving up freedom for security (security being lack of guns in this case) deserve neither. [technically you can use that quote in several ways]
That said, I am wholly against public being able to own assault weapons. Unless of course, you are a mercenary, military etc. The only thing you're going to hunt with one of those bad boys are other people... or if you have a 50 caliber rifle, a wild M1 Abrams that strayed too far from its herd.

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Until their taxes go up, gun laws tighten, and millions of taxpayer dollars are wasted on phoney "investigations"...

Trust me, it won't be that long before the sheeple wake up. I give it less than 6 months.
While we are digressing, ideals of small government, and fiscal responsibilities GWB has failed to be a conservative. It's pretty bad when a Republican follosw a Democrat and he creates bigger government, bigger government spending, and bigger government interfering with people's personal life than the Dem. It is the failure of GWB to maintain basic conservative values that gave the Democrats their recent gain.
As for waking up, the tide of who stays in party changes. Republicans had their day, Democrats are having their day (and will for a while) then the public will switch back and the cycle will continue.

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said by pabster:

"And the so called 'sheeple' raised their voices, and said 'enough with the republicans, let's get our country BACK on track'"

Until their taxes go up, gun laws tighten, and millions of taxpayer dollars are wasted on phoney "investigations"...

Trust me, it won't be that long before the sheeple wake up. I give it less than 6 months.
Pabster check this out, its what normal people will have to deal with.

The Washington Times

A look at Pelosi's voting record

EDITORIAL

November 3, 2006

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi would bring to the office a level of left-wing liberalism that will be unprecedented. In the National Journal's 2005 ideological ratings, which were based on scores of votes, Mrs. Pelosi was ranked more liberal than 91 percent of her House colleagues on economic issues, 96 percent on social matters and 82 percent on foreign-policy issues. Here are her relative rankings (economic, social, foreign) for 2004 (93, 88, 81), 2003 (92, 89, 70), 2002 (88, 84, 90) and 2001 (94, 83, 93).

Until she received a 95 percent liberal rating in 2005 from the Americans for Democratic Action (the nation's pre-eminent liberal organization), Mrs. Pelosi had racked up five consecutive years (2000-04) of 100 percent ratings. Her lifetime ADA rating is 96 percent. Last year, the American Conservative Union gave her a 0 rating. Her lifetime ACU rating is 3 percent.

Typical for her 20-year House career, Mrs. Pelosi received a 100 percent rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America last year and a 0 rating from the National Right to Life Committee. A Roman Catholic who has repeatedly voted to uphold partial-birth abortion, who has voted against parental notification when minor children seek abortion and who has shown no concern for the rights of the innocent unborn, Mrs. Pelosi has consistently opposed the death penalty.

Over the years, Mrs. Pelosi has consistently voted against welfare reform, including the 1996 bill signed by President Clinton and its re-authorization. In 1998, she opposed a constitutional amendment to permit school prayer in the classroom. In 1999, she opposed allowing state and local governments to display the Ten Commandments on public property, including schools. She has voted against education IRAs. In 2003, she opposed a $10 million program for school vouchers in the District of Columbia. That same year she voted against the 10-year $400 billion Medicare prescription-drug bill because she preferred one that was twice as expensive. Mrs. Pelosi has repeatedly voted for tax increases and opposed tax cuts, even the 2001 bill that doubled the child tax credit to $1,000, among other cuts.

As the United States has become increasingly dependent on foreign sources for oil, Mrs. Pelosi has always opposed drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. In recent years, she has become protectionist -- leading the opposition in 2000 against then-President Clinton's successful effort to establish permanent normal trade relations with China. She also opposed giving Mr. Clinton and Mr. Bush trade-promotion authority; and in 2005 she voted against the Central American Free Trade Agreement. In 2004, she voted to end Radio Marti broadcasts to Cuba. She voted to reduce funds for the B-2 intercontinental bomber, which performed superbly in the 1999 Kosovo War, in 2001 in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Mrs. Pelosi has repeatedly opposed anti-missile defense, even as a nuclear-armed North Korea has tested ballistic missiles.

Submitted by Ann S.

»strangepolitics.com/cont ··· 412.html

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Abortions: Safe,legal, and RARE.

Banning abortion wouldn't make them go away, only education can do that.

Personally I don't agree with abortions, but I'm willing to let them stay, because my wife is more important than an unborn child. If my wife was pregnant, unconscious, and the baby was a risk to her health--you bet I'm going to have it terminated.

As a society we have already determined that embryonic life is not as important as other human life. The simple fact remains that by and large, there are almost no cases of funerals being held for miscarriages (called natural abortions). What do we do with these dead embryos? We flush them down the toilet.

I'm neither a democrat nor republican, and I'm not too thrilled about pelosi, but am very enthralled about the message sent to Bush: Ride the conservative/liberal fence or else.

With republican presidents, you want a democratic congress, and vice versa, or else you end up with a ship that flies too far right or left (right, in the case of the last 6 years.)

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gun laws tighten,
Happy Dancing at the Brady Center

Well folks, they started before the votes were even completely counted.....and so it begins...

Taken fron the BradyCenter.org webpage....

A National Momentum Shift: Supporters Of Common-Sense Gun Laws Win Races From Coast To Coast

Washington, DC (11/8/2006) — In election races across the country yesterday, candidates who support strengthening America's gun laws to fight gun violence defeated candidates backed by the gun lobby in U.S. Senate, U.S. House, gubernatorial and other statewide races and a number of high-profile state legislative races. The results should have a profound impact on the ability to fight illegal gun trafficking and gun violence in the coming years.

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So now we have replaced it with the ultra left scum. Just a few losses next time and you are out again. Do not be to cocky. After people see what the left does, down you will go.

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Ah, a post that stands as a shining example of all that is wrong with America today. Congratulations!

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If you really think that all the Democrats who won new positions are 'ultra left', then you've really not been paying attention. Nice way to judge without bothering to learn anything about the situation...sounds just like a NeoConservative!

For example, Heath Shuler, new Jr. Rep. to the House and former football 'star'. He's a Democrat. But, what's this?, he's opposed to abortion and gay marriage and he is pro gun rights! How can that be? He must be ultra-left since he was just elected!

Look closely and I think you'll find many of the new Democrats are rather conservative. While I disagree with anti abortion and gay marriage arguments, I am pro-gun (generally). If the Democrats can strike the balance between fiscal conservatism and social care, it could be a great party.
Of course, that balance may be impossible to achieve! But it's far better than the purely anti-Americanism of the new Republican party.

I was disappointed in the Bush election, and re-election, but each time I gave him and his party the chance to Do Right. Both times, they blew it. Badly.
Give the new Congress the same chance. Maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Or not.
KM

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said by KoolMoe:

For example, Heath Shuler, new Jr. Rep. to the House and former football 'star'. He's a Democrat. But, what's this?, he's opposed to abortion and gay marriage and he is pro gun rights! How can that be? He must be ultra-left since he was just elected!
Maybe, maybe one out of how many?

Have you ever heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing? As soon as the time is right, those woolly pelts will be discarded.

Real pro-gun democrats? that's one of the rarest animals in North America. I believe that their on the endangered species list
Much like finding a half-pregnant man in half a hole!

Those conservative Dems allowed the dummocrap leadership to step in and take control. The left leaning looney liberals like Pelosi, Kennedy, Rangel, and on and on are now at the helm. Conservative Dems will be squashed if they try and do anything but toe the party line.

Election Impact on Second Amendment Rights

What impact, if any, will the transformational 2006 Congressional Election have on Second Amendment rights?

While election 2006 may have been a referendum on many things (the President, war in Iraq, Jack Abramoff, Mark Foley for example), it does not translate into greater support for gun control at the grass roots level.

If anything, gun control was notable as a non-issue in this election.
In compiling the GOA rating, researchers could hardly find a
congressional candidate with any stated position on gun control on campaign websites.

That's not to say many of the newly elected will not support the anti-gun agenda; just that they recognize open support for gun control will cost them at the polls.

Unlike the newly elected members, however, the Democrat Congressional leadership is completely beholden to the far left anti-gun extreme of its party.

House Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi (F-rated by GOA) is a charter member of the most extreme wing of the party she now leads. As the person who controls what bills come to the floor, Pelosi will be unable to say "No" to the appeals for more gun control by the likes of Sarah Brady and her congressional allies.

The Speaker's strongest House ally in the push for more gun control is long-time Democrat anti-gun activist John Conyers, the likely Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

Almost all bills related to the Second Amendment will pass through Conyers' committee. The new Chairman, an extremist who advocates a total handgun ban, will control the schedule of the committee as well as which bills come up for committee vote.

The situation in the Senate may be worse (pending the outcome of the Virginia senate race). Should Democrat Jim Webb hang on to win, the expected new Senate Majority will be F-rated Harry Reid (NV) and the probable incoming Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee would be GOA F-rated Pat Leahy of Vermont

From there it really goes downhill.

The rest of the Democrats currently on the committee make up the Who's Who of the anti-gun movement:

* Ted Kennedy (MA), the mouthpiece for Sarah Brady in the Senate.

* Joe Biden (DE), who chaired the Judiciary Committee when the Brady bill passed in 1993, and who said at that time, famously, "The public and the Congress have spoken unequivocally, and I don't care what a minority wants;"

* Herb Kohl (WI), author of the "Gun Free Zones Ban;"

* Dianne Feinstein (CA), author of the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban.

* Russ Feingold (WI), democrat lead sponsor of so-called campaign finance reform.

* Charlie Schumer (NY), lead sponsor of the 1993 Brady law; and

* Dick Durbin (IL), one of the most outspoken gun control zealots in the senate.

Seriously, which ones are the conservative Dem's???

Gun owners should look twice at the above list. Most or all of these members will remain on the Judiciary Committee when the new Congress convenes in January, and will help shape American gun laws for at least the next two years. It's why the Dem's have been out of power from 1994 to now. And the reason they're back in power now isn't because they've inspired the nation to follow them with their wonderful message of unity & positivity. It's because the Republicans pissed their constituents off by not doing what they were elected to do.

But its part of their mantra, abortions for all, raise taxes, install programs that don't work, government approved religion, drive businesses out, no guns for all(except them).

I know the appropriate response is to be pissed -not at the Dems for doing what we knew they would try to do - but at the Republicans for going to Washington & jumping into their 'moderate-to-liberal suits' once they got there

Our elected officials FORGOT why we sent them there...and they got trounced for it. Hopefully...probably...they will learn from the severe pain that is about to befall ALL of us, and will do what it takes -for the next two years- to stage a come-back & keep the Hilda-beast from stealing...er...getting 'elected' to the White house in '08.

If one REALLY wants to influence the freedom of firearms in this country, REGISTER Democratic and vote for pro-2nd Amendment candidates in the primaries. Vote GOP in the mains if you want, but you can help remove the anti-gun candidates before they can run against Republicans.

BTW:Some of you are naive. The UN's position is that civilian gun owner ship violates human rights and that you have no human right to self defense. The U.N. wants to be the ruling body of the entire world. Bush and the republicans being demonized over Iraq was to insure the Democrats get control and Hilda-beast wins in 2008 which will set up the U.S. to adopt a UN small arms ban and slowly start fallowing more and more U.N regs. Even if Hilda-beast is not elected and we refused to adopt the small arms ban the UN would call it a human rights violation and impose sections against us until we accepted the gun ban. Once the UN controls all civilian firearms though out the world it will lead to the abolishment of national governments in favor of the U.N controlled global government. All of this will happen under the guise of peace for humanity.

The sad thing is that the people actually think they are saving themselves form tyranny by voting democrat.

Sheep are always led to the slaughter so easily. And the apocalypse is almost upon us.

I expect to see unemployment rates soar and the economy going into a radical dive. I'm selling off my stock that has been doing well because I expect it to start dropping.

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Better for you to look at bigshot democrats like Barack Obama. I checked wikipedia for his record, and he is a fiscal conservative, social liberal, a good divide between the two. His primary goal is to reconcile differences between dem and rep and would actually get my vote over Hillary. Unless Mccain runs, I like anyone who will roll up sleeves and start getting rid of the rotten apples in congress.

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said by komodo9mm :

Better for you to look at bigshot democrats like Barack Obama. I checked wikipedia for his record, and he is a fiscal conservative, social liberal, a good divide between the two. His primary goal is to reconcile differences between dem and rep and would actually get my vote over Hillary. Unless Mccain runs, I like anyone who will roll up sleeves and start getting rid of the rotten apples in congress.
You should hear some of his podcasts, holy shit, that dude is pissed at congress and all sorts. I will put it this way, on one speech if he would have just slipped and call them "F__n morons" he just about damn near pretty much hit the statement on the head. You listen to that speech and how he talks about it and you just wait for the "Just say fuckin morons will ya."

From the few I heard he gets rather upset about some things in congress that just happens. You actually hear and feel his frustration.

he gets rather angry about some things.

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said by karlmarx:

. The election was in fact a national referendum on the failed bush regime policies. And the so called 'sheeple' raised their voices, and said 'enough with the republicans, let's get our country BACK on track'
It was no national referendum, more like a protest vote against Bush. It was not a rejection of Conservative values. Proof? Seven states banned same sex marriage. Same sex marriage is the breeding grounds for liberalism and voters rejected liberal values.

It would be a mistake for the Democrats to believe that what happened at he polls was a mandate for their liberal agenda. It was a back-lash against the war and a vote of no-confidence for the President and nothing more. If they push their agenda now they will have their own back-lash to deal with.

Come to think about it, I almost hope they do try to push some ultra-liberal stuff in the next two years. It would serve to help assure a Republican victory in 2008. Sometimes we need to think long-term

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A protest vote always proceeds a landslide. The 1995 local government elections in Britain saw Labour make massive gains, in 1997 there was a landslide.

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said by karlmarx:

"wonder how long it will take the sheeple to realize they've been bamboozled."
Won't take long at all.

Son of Florida Sen. Bill Nelson Charged With Police Battery

Report: Son of Florida Sen. Bill Nelson Charged With Police Battery
Wednesday, November 08, 2006

By Catherine Donaldson-Evans

Only hours after Florida Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson won re-election against opponent Katherine Harris, his 30-year-old son was arrested and charged with battery on a law enforcement officer and 2 other felonies, The Miami Herald reported.

Orlando police said they were called to the scene of a fight that reportedly involved 20 people. When they arrived at 2:45 a.m., they found Charles William Nelson, apparently drunk, sparring with a man and attempting to drag an unconscious woman to a hotel, according to the Herald.

Charles Nelson tried to take the woman, Kimberly Baxter, away to a hotel when he heard that paramedics were on their way to help her.

Police told Nelson to put Baxter down, the newspaper reported, but instead he dropped her on the ground and refused to leave. He shouted at and pushed one of the officers, according to the Herald.

Charles Nelson also resisted arrest, police told the Herald. He was handcuffed, doused with pepper spray and charged with battery of a law enforcement officer, disorderly intoxication and resisting arrest without violence, according to the newspaper.

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Sounds very "Kennedy" like to me, or is that the way a typical democrat behaves?

However, I'm sure it was nothing but an unfortunate case of accidentally mixing booze with meds. I know that whenever I mix booze and meds, my usual reaction is to drive my car into a barrier after refusing to stop for police....or sometimes I try to drag women into hotel rooms, also after attempting to evade police. Is it just me??

Let me guess...."You must not know who my dad is, take your filthy hands of me pig!"

"You'll know them by their fruit... "

Maybe he was draggin her to the pool to go for a "swim". Yeah that's the ticket !

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And like that is going to actually happen under the Democratic Party?

As a longtime registered Democrat, it merely means we have exchanged one set of masters (the board members of corporate America) for another (the union bosses of both corporate and governmental America). I'm expecting three things to happen *before* the current Bush's term expires in 2008:

1. A tax increase *will* get pushed through (that will impact a much greater number than merely the top five percent of income-earners) and it will be attached to a bill that the President dare not veto.

2. Governmental spending will increase by an even greater amount (and will be papered over with more borrowing).

3. More money will be *earmarked* for border security, but it will NOT be used for more Border Patrol officers, extending the tours of National Guardsmen patrolling said border, or even more fencing (visible or otherwise). Worse, it won't even be used to deport illegals we've already caught. And, most shameful of all, it will be the Republicans that get blamed for it.

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Pelosi's Socialist Ties
Newsmax,com ^ | November 13, 2002 | Carl Limbacher?

Posted on 11/13/2002 12:33:46 PM PST by OldCorps

Something the leftist media establishment doesn't want you to know: San Francisco Democrat Nancy Pelosi's ties to socialism.

Writing in the Washington Times, Balint Vazsonyi notes that in a recent New York Times article about the soon-to-be House leader, there was not "a single mention of her executive position in the Progressive Caucus, and the latter's ties to the Socialist International."

"Question: If an international organization existed to carry the torch for Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, and if a person running for leader had past or present ties to such an organization, what are the chances the New York Times would find it irrelevant to the matter at hand?" asks Vazsonyi.

"None. Zero. Nada.

"Double standards: Do you remember the Austrian nationalist Joerg Haider? He had no such affiliation. Yet the mere possibility that he might harbor sympathies for National Socialist ideas sufficed to make him, and the country in which he holds office, an international pariah.

"The Socialist International carries the torch for Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, V.I. Lenin, Leon Trotsky, and Josef Stalin. Pay no attention to the desperate attempts by socialists to distance themselves from Stalin. For our purposes, it suffices to observe that every single tenet of the Socialist International is the exact opposite of the principles upon which America was founded, and which define the U.S. Constitution.

"For our purposes, it suffices also to observe that members of the U.S. Congress are required to furnish an oath whereby they will preserve, protect, and defend said Constitution.

"DSA/USA, the 'Democratic Socialists of America' are the U.S. arm of the Socialist International. They share the symbol of the fist holding the rose, and they share the tasks to be accomplished — in our case, an altogether different America.

"Some time ago — the date is missing from the descriptions — 58 members of the U.S. House of Representatives formed a subdivision of the Democratic Socialists of America and called it the Progressive Caucus. Their statement of purpose, as well as their membership list, formed an integral part of the dsausa Web site (www.dsausa.org). The membership list appeared on the screen with the continuous background of the fist holding the rose, should anyone have missed the connection with the Socialist International."

After the Washington Times in November 1998 blew the whistle on the so-called "Progressive" Caucus, "action was taken to hide the true nature of the organization, and its membership list was eventually taken off the dsausa Web site."

Vazsonyi continues: "Rep. Nancy Pelosi has long been, and is now, a member of the executive committee of the Progressive Caucus. Her election as leader would firmly establish the link between the Democratic Caucus of the U.S. House of Representatives and the Socialist International.

"The U.S. Constitution places no restrictions on political creeds. There is no earthly reason why socialists could not be elected to Congress if the people so choose. There is a question of honesty, though. Candidates for office ought to put their cards on the table."

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It's important for them to elect her as their leader.

Yes. We need Comrade Pelosi right where the US can see her.

what a bunch of cumbaya singing, whirled peas lovin liberals! Gag me. Dan, what's the frequency, lol!

in a recent New York Times article about the soon-to-be House minority leader, there was not "a single mention of her executive position in the Progressive Caucus, and the latter's ties to the Socialist International."

Why would the NYT change now? In the '30's an NYT reporter named Walter Duranty, a member of the Communist Party USA, sent dispatches from Russia to the NYT that won him the Pulitzer Prize. Duranty doesn't mention that Stalin is killing Ukrainians by starvation and giving Hitler a lesson in mass murder. No, Duranty paints a "Rosey" picture of Stalins 5 year plan to "Collectivise" the the rich farm land of Russia's Eastern regions.

If the New York Times isn't going to report accurately the fertilization of the Kulaks farms with the flesh of their murdered bodies, why should the Times even mention Pelosi?

It amazes me that they would elect such a shrill polarizer. It just shows how out of touch they are with everyone except their own hardcore base.

Many in the media will love her though. First woman and all that usual crap.

It's too bad Gary Condit is gone. Judging by the picture he and Pelosi would have had quite a lot in common. (black leather, whips, stc.)

We need to make sure her socialist ties are very well known.

This is really no surprise. The RAT party has always been manipulated by the socialists. Most folk don't know this.

They don't REALLY know that these guys are communists/socialists with an agenda to destroy the Constitution and change our form of government. I don't understand why conservative pundits don't harp all over this to expose the creeps.

Any sub-section of Congress that includes Baghdad Jim McDermott, Clinton apologist Conyer, and terrorist mouthpiece Cynthia McKinney is a den of evil.

Pelosi = neo-Stalinist.

Who woulda thunk...?

If the Democrats chose Pelosi then they are truly crazy! Pelosi as a choice means that the cRats get one step closer to becoming like the Whigs or the Anti-Mason Political Parties .....extinct!

Even for a cRat Pelosi is extreme! She represents a region (San Francisco) that (even by Liberal standards) is waaaaaay off the beaten path. And yet they expect her to help their party!

LOL ....i guess the cRats are becoming less like rats and more like Lemmings! Heading off to their ultimate doom in spectacular fashion ....like lemmings to a cliff. After all, chosing Pelosi is tantamount to suicide for the party. She has no knack for deception, no way to obfuscate, she lacks a facade of honesty, and her grasp of verbal gymnastics is atrophied (in essence she lacks the 'attributes' the make a slick cRat). She is just a bad thing waiting to happen for the cRats!

If i were a cRat i would hope that they chose Ford jr from Tn. After all that kid has Clintonesque appeal (Bill not Hillary) and would surely dupe a lot of voters when necessary. He seems well versed in facades and driving points home (even when it is just lip service) as could be seen in his TV interviews. And he is by far more appealing than Pelosi could ever hope to be.

However since i am not a cRat Pelosi is fine with me since by chosing her the cRats will be ensuring their hastened extinction!

What?????? A demorat tied to the socialists???? Oh my God. I am in shock. I can't continue the rest of the day functioning. This news is too overwhelming...

Looks like ol' "Pinky" Pelosi has earned her nickname! BTW, great photo of "Pinky" in her pinko jacket!

Many people around here are familiar with the American Conservative Union. They rank congressmen according to how they vote, 0 to 100, the higher, the better (from the standpoint of conservatives).

The average lifetime ranking off all congressmen is about 51. The average republican is 85. The average democrat is around 15. Al Gore, when he was, in the senate was probably around 12.

Nancy Pelosi is a 2.

It's too damn bad that the first women ever to run as house minority leader has her pantyhose all tied up in gloomy elitist socialism.

Is she going to be the socialist stepping stone for Mrs. Clinton's bid for first female president?

While many of us were aware of these connections to the DSA, a lot of the newer Freepers may not be, since the names of the members of the Progressive Caucus were removed from the list of members of the DSA on the official web site, along with the explanation of how the Progressive Caucus came into existence and the reason for the use of the term, "progressive".

Am not exactly sure what the "Last Update" date of Jan. 15 1998 is referring to - the list itself or the webpage it was on.

Members of the Progressive Caucus

Representative (State-District) Address Phone, Fax Email Web Page
Rep Earl Hilliard (AL-07) 1314 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2665, Fax: 202-226-0772
Rep Eni Faleomavaega (AS-AL) 2422 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8577, Fax: 202-225-8757
Rep Ed Pastor (AZ-02) 2465 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4065, Fax: 202-225-1655 edpastor@mail.house.gov »aspin.asu.edu/~pctp/past ··· tor.html
Rep Lynn C Woolsey (CA-06) 439 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0529 Phone: 202-225-5161, Fax: 202-225-5163 woolsey@mail.house.gov »www.house.gov/woolsey/
Rep George Miller (CA-07) 2205 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2095, Fax: 202-225-5609 gmiller@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/georgemiller/
Rep Nancy Pelosi (CA-08) 2457 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4965, Fax: 202-225-8259 sfnancy@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/pelosi/
Rep Fortney "Pete" Stark (CA-13) 239 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5065, Fax: 202-226-3805 petemail@hr.house.gov
Rep Henry A. Waxman (CA-29) 2204 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3976, Fax: 202-225-4099 »www.house.gov/waxman/
Rep Xavier Becerra (CA-30) 1119 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0530 Phone: 202-225-6235, Fax: 202-225-2202
Rep Julian C. Dixon (CA-32) 2252 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0532 Phone: 202-225-7084, Fax: 202-225-4091
Rep Esteban Edward Torres (CA-34) 2269 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0534 Phone: 202-225-5256, Fax: 202-225-9711 arcoiris@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/torres/
Rep Maxine Waters (CA-35) 2344 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2201, Fax: 202-225-7854
Rep George E. Brown (CA-42) 2300 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6161, Fax: 202-225-8671 talk2geb@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/georgebrown/
Rep Bob Filner (CA-50) 330 Cannon House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3461, Fax: 202-226-4169
Rep Diane DeGette (CO-01) 1404 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4431, Fax: 202-225-5657
Rep Eleanor Holmes Norton (DC-AL) 1424 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8050, Fax: 202-225-3002 »www.house.gov/norton/
Rep Corrine Brown (FL-03) 1610 Longworth House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 225-0123, Fax: 202-225-2256
Rep Carrie P. Meek (FL-17) 401 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0917 Phone: 202-225-4506, Fax: 202-226-0777 »www.house.gov/meek/
Rep Alcee L. Hastings (FL-23) 1039 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1313, Fax: 202-226-0690 hastings@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/alceehastings/
Rep Cynthia A. McKinney (GA-04) 124 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1605, Fax: 202-226-0691 »www.house.gov/mckinney/
Rep John Lewis (GA-05) 229 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-1005 Phone: 202-225-3801, Fax: 202-225-0351
Rep Neil Abercrombie (HI-01) 1233 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2726, Fax: 202-225-4580 neil@abercrombie.house.gov »www.house.gov/abercrombie/
Rep Patsy Mink (HI-02) 2135 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515-0917 Phone: 202-225-4906, Fax: 202-225-4987
Rep Jesse Jackson (IL-02) 313 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-0773, Fax: 202-225-0899
Rep Luis Gutierrez (IL-04) 408 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8203, Fax: 202-225-7810 luisg@mail.house.gov
Rep Danny Davis (IL-07) 1218 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5006, Fax: 202-225-5641
Rep Lane Evans (IL-17) 2335 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5905, Fax: 202-225-5396
Rep Julia Carson (IN-10) 1541 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4011, Fax: 202-226-4093 jcarson@indy.net
Rep John Olver (MA-01) 1027 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5335, Fax: 202-226-1224 olver@mail.house.gov
Rep Jim McGovern (MA-03) 512 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5759, Fax: 202-225-6101 james.mcgovern@mail.house.gov
Rep Barney Frank (MA-04) 2210 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5931, Fax: 202-225-0182 »www.house.gov/frank/
Rep John Tierney (MA-06) 120 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8020, Fax: 202-225-5915
Rep David Bonior (MI-10) 2207 Rayburn House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2106, Fax: 202-226-1169
Rep John Conyers (MI-14) 2426 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5126, Fax: 202-225-0072 jconyers@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/conyers/
Rep Bennie G. Thompson (MS-02) 1408 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5876, Fax: 202-225-5898 ms2nd@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/thompson/
Rep Melvin L. Watt (NC-12) 1230 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-1510, Fax: 202-225-1512 melmail@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/watt/
Rep Donald Payne (NJ-10) 2244 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3436, Fax: 202-225-4160
Rep Jerrold Nadler (NY-08) 2448 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5635, Fax: 202-225-6923 nadler@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/nadler/
Rep Major Owens (NY-11) 2305 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6231, Fax: 202-226-0112
Rep Nydia M. Velazquez (NY-12) 1221 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2361, Fax: 202-226-0327 »www.house.gov/velazquez/
Rep Charles Rangel (NY-15) 2354 Rayburn House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4365, Fax: 202-225-0816 »www.house.gov/serrano/
Rep Maurice Hinchey (NY-26) 2431 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6335, Fax: 202-226-0774 hinchey@mail.house.gov
Rep John LaFalce (NY-29) 2310 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3231, Fax: 202-225-8693
Rep Marcy Kaptur (OH-09) 2311 Rayburn House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4146, Fax: 202-225-7711
Rep Dennis Kucinich (OH-10) 1730 Longworth House Office Building , Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-5871, Fax: 202-225-5745
Rep Louis Stokes (OH-11) 2365 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-7032, Fax: 202-225-1339
Rep Sherrod Brown (OH-13) 328 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3401, Fax: 202-225-2266 sherrod@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/sherrodbrown/
Rep Elizabeth Furse (OR-01) 316 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-0855, Fax: 202-225-9497 furseor1@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/furse/
Rep Peter A. DeFazio (OR-04) 2134 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-6416, Fax: 202-225-0373 pdefazio@hr.house.gov »www.house.gov/defazio/index.htm
Rep Chaka Fattah (PA-02) 1205 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4001, Fax: 202-225-3127 »www.house.gov/fattah/
Rep William Coyne (PA-14) 2455 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2301, Fax: 202-225-1844
Rep Carlos A. Romero-Barcelo (PR-AL) 2443 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-2615, Fax: 202-225-2154 »www.house.gov/romero-barcelo/
Rep Robert C. Scott (VA-03) 2464 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-8351, Fax: 202-225-8354 bvassar@mail.house.gov
Rep Bernard Sanders (VT-AL) 2202 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-4115, Fax: 202-225-6790 bsanders@hr.house.gov, »www.house.gov/bernie/
Rep James A McDermott (WA-07) 2349 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515 Phone: 202-225-3106, Fax: 202-225-2349

DSA Home Page dsa@dsausa.org

This site is located on the IGC server, with its Progressive Directory

Webmaster: criddiough@dsausa.org
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Last Update: January 15, 1998

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Pelosi leader of 'Progressive Caucus'
Dems' top House official part of powerful, socialist-linked bloc

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Re: This is the start of a series of headaches for Big Business

A perfect government would be much like Norway or Sweden's. Take the good ideas from both socialism and capitalism, and mix.

Those are two countries who have higher standards of living than the U.S.
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High taxes are bad news whether your gross income is $12,000 per year or $1.2 million per year.

How? High taxes to that 1.2 million means that it goes to someone who makes 1200, and that small chunk of change means more to that 1200 person than the 1.2million. The person made that 1.2million because they live in this country, and those who get the most benefit should be forced to share, end of story. Taxes are the rent you pay for living in the country you live in. If you make more you SHOULD pay more. Your personal benefit is still higher than anyone else's.
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It's definitely a good thing.

Now all they need to do is start instituting muni broadband nationwide and we'll truly see how competitive AT&T really is.

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bigjimc
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Ding dong the witch is dead

Well it really remains to be seen.

The merger will go through but with which concessions and how much contributions to congressional PACs.

Maybe they can share their Tubes?

Which ol' witch....the wicked witch.....

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tmc8080
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Hahahahaha!

AT&T might have to eat crow to merge!
The global deathstar at&t won't be able to gobble up an RBOC without a commitment to REAL broadband deployment... not the string and cup version (picture kids talking by string and cups) of dsl.. (now imagine sending 10megapixel uncompressed pictures of your children via crappy dsl upstream speeds)

I've long waited for this day to say: I told you so..
DO IT RIGHT or go to hell!

Eliot Spitzer
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Re: Hahahahaha!

AT&T is an RBOC. Actually, they are a collection of RBOCs (nee SBC) which purchased the rotting carcass of what used to be AT&T and adopted its name. You might want to check your facts before you rant.

And who in their right mind sends 10 megapixel RAW files to anyone?
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Re: Hahahahaha!

Your OPINION of WHO GOBBLED WHO is off-base.. the NAME AT&T is part of the BIG 3 LONG DISTANCE CARRIERS who were formerly MA-Bell, the mother of all telecommunications!
As a history lesson the big 3 are (in no order of importance):
AT&T, Sprint, MCI.

SBC merger is recent muck-raking because of new technologies such as cable-modems, dsl, and later "VOIP" services, in combination with "regulated" industry made for some 3rd party carriers.. the long distance phone calls business would not generate enough revenue which brought about competition between rbocs & ld carriers. Now cable companies joined the party.

BTW, The point I was making, was that AT&T DOES NOT DESERVE to become the LARGEST Telecom carrier in the country! They make no serious commitment to Ultra-High-Speed bandwidth to the residential home, and are slippery as snakes on deployment timetables. Verizon isn't a whole lot better, but to their credit, they made a commitment to the technology of FTTP. There isn't a whole lot the fcc can do besides block the merger and set a high-bar conditions of divesting some valuable core assets(cough,cough, wireless) as the carrot & stick.

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I wonder...

If the FCC will be required to follow this. I think it was just a request, rather than an order (which I'm not sure they can do.)

Could the FCC push it through? Considering the bipartisan support it has I wouldn't be surprised.

Otherwise, let the pandering and obstruction begin...

Adam

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Re: I wonder...

I don't think they're bound in any way to adhere to this request. I think what Dingell's doing is making his thoughts known, so if they bring in McDowell as a tie-breaker it makes it obvious Martin is railroading it through....This assumes McDowell wants to approve the merger with no conditions though, and I'm not sure that would happen.

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Re: I wonder...

The aren't. Unless Congress passes a law prohibiting the vote there is no teeth in his request.

Usually, though, barring other interests or requirements, they generally acquiesce to a Congressional request. There are other interests and requirements in this case, however, and there is no procedural basis to hold this up without drawing a lot of legal fire.

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Update

Dingell is backpeddling a little bit:

From Reuters:

"His spokeswoman later clarified that the lawmaker was not demanding a delay.

"He believes the FCC should take the time it needs to thoroughly examine the matter, even if it takes until next year," his spokeswoman Jodi Seth told Reuters."

So, as we've discussed, the FCC COULD pass this is they can reach a deal.

Adam

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Dingell gets it.

As strange and unique this all might seem, in these times and times recently past, one important job of Congress is oversight. Not just oversight of the other branches of our tripartite system(something definitely needed) but also responsible, sober and considered oversight of the business community, to make sure that the interests of the citizenry are addressed and receive their fair share of representation "at the table". Frankly, for too long now, the only citizenry that has seen said representation has been the top 1% of wage earners and holders of preferred stock.

The telecom megacorps were broken up for very good and sustainable reasons. Allowing them to reform is not necessarily going to be the start of a new golden age of telecom. In fact, in this present business climate, it is largely unlikely.

If you doubt me on this, I suggest you call AT&T customer support with a DSL problem. Everything you need to know, regarding value to consumers you will learn there.

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I would like to see it declined....

Having worked for SBC for many years and leaving the company after the acquisition of AT&T... and yes, it was an acquisition. You would, however, never know it.

I have seen what was once a great company, SBC, become the most miserable place to work. I have worked with Bell South in the past and they remind me of the "old Southwestern Bell"... I really would hate to see them be consumed and destroyed by being folded into that mess.

... stepping off soap box now...

Eddie W
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Re: I would like to see it declined....

Sorry to hear of your loss of gruntle.

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Could be

This could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it. Any significant delay would mean at&t would cut and run. As I have said before, the Democrats will want concessions that benefit the few but not the whole.

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Re: Could be

Democrats or Republicans, they both want that same caveat you mentioned. Political affiliation doesn't really matter in that regard.

It's just the time to harp on the new dominant party.

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The Democrates want a piece too.

Okay basic reality all the telecoms donate to all political parties. Some the Democrates are just asking for there share, and that is all this is. Nothing is going to change.

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Bring back UNE

otherwise it's smoke on the water
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strange

It is strange that as a tech for one of these companies the party that our union (CWA) gives a large part of our dues to is now blocking our progress. The Dem's get a large chunk of our dues every year, and the union always throws out the newsletter to vote the party line (democrat) all the way down. ?????????????
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algolly

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dingell _is_ big business

He and Tauzin were like bipartisan telco twins.